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[News] Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the PegasosANN.lu
Posted on 05-Mar-2003 09:02 GMT by Frodon201 comments
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Genesi have posted a very informative announcement on MorphOS-News about the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration as well as some details about the future of the Pegasos.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 1 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 05-Mar-2003 08:09 GMT
LOL! Is it just me or are they starting to sound more and more like Amiga Inc? You know, dividing into two seperated efforts, one about something non-amiga related and one about the actual desktop platform, etc.?

Yep, these guys are really in for beeing "Amiga"-alike with vapor announcements, changes of plans, throwing around buzzwords, etc. But you MorphOS fans will defend them regardless, won't you? Because we are just blind followers of the name, right? Well, what comes around goes around...
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 2 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 05-Mar-2003 08:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (samface):
Hello Samface,

The only significative difference is that even for the DTV STB ("the not Amiga related thing"), MorphOS will be used as the OS.

Btw MorphOS is aimed to be a fully new OS, of course with the Amiga compatibility, but it will have its own future also. So even if it's "Amiga related" today, in the future it'll be less and less Amiga related and have its own apps (it has already started (Voyager, FXPaint, FXScan, Knights&Merchants, Frogger...etc are all available in MorphOS version).

So even the DTV STB is MorphOS related.

Regards
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 3 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 05-Mar-2003 08:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Frodon):
Hello again,

"Amiga compatibility" in my previous comment should be understood as "AmigaOS 3.x compatibility". Just to avoid misinterpretations :)

Regards
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 4 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by MiniBobF on 05-Mar-2003 08:45 GMT
That's offical confirmation that Pegasos II will run the Galileo DiscoveryII. In terms of Amiga Inc and Hyperion it's probably good news as it means it's a great deal more effort for someone to get an unlicensed copy of AmigaOS4.x running on Pegasos II. Not only will a ROM dongle have to cracked, an additional HAL is needed, or patch/hack on the current one...

Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 5 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 05-Mar-2003 08:51 GMT
Oops! - cut the last sentence off! So here it is:

All requests to join Phoenix/Genesi mail lists are welcome! - just send email with a brief bio/CV to greenboy@phinixi.com and I will get you set up : }



<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
 
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 6 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 05-Mar-2003 08:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Frodon):
The DTV STB version of MorphOS is of no more use or interest to a MorphOS user than the AmigaDE is for an AmigaOS user. My metaphor stands.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 7 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 05-Mar-2003 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (samface):
Hello,

"The DTV STB version of MorphOS is of no more use or interest to a MorphOS user than the AmigaDE is for an AmigaOS user. My metaphor stands."

It's just a different market. You know it's rare today to see companies that focus only on one market.
And btw the DTV STB is still in interesting product, of course not for the same purpose than a desktop computer, but useful anyway and I'm sure lot of people will be interested.

If I'd like to argue like you i'd say: "Linux on PDAs (or any embedded devices) are not more use or interest for a Linux user." (valid also for Windows of course)

But the reality is that, sadly or not, a company to be enough strong and expect to be able to gain money in the long term have to not just focus on one market.
The advantages of MorphOS and the Pegasos is that Genesi are making both the hardware and the software so they can adapt it easily to any interesting market.

If what worry you is the desktop market. The fact that they still use MorphOS for the DTV STB and the Pegasos as its hardware base, assure for Pegasos desktop computer with MorphOS users to benefit of any development, apps or improvement made on/for MorphOS (as it's the same OS) as well as to benefit of any improvment made in the Pegasos hardware for the DTV STB (as it's the same hardware base).

That's the difference with the AmigaDE, as if AmigaOne/AmigaOS 4 future users want to benefit of improvements made in the AmigaDE, they'll have to wait for the AmigaDE to be integrated in AmigaOS 4. And even with that, it'll still be an additional layer so AmigaOS 4 apps will not be able to directly benefit of AmigaDE improvements and vice versa (maybe later with AmigaOS 5, but it's to hypothetical to even envisage it for now).

This also show the high flexibility of MorphOS.

Regards
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 8 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 05-Mar-2003 09:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Frodon):
> So even the DTV STB is MorphOS related.

is there any page/info about the software used in the stb ?
like mp3/ogg player, dvd player,web browser and such software ?
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 9 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 05-Mar-2003 09:24 GMT
There in point in talking about some thing we don’t know anything about,

This is really foggy to me at lest, I have no opinion, on how some thing not public stated is going to on the bases of this tiny information, posted as news on ANN,

DTV STB sound like an grate idea to me as long as it is an PPC running in side it, if how ever they select an otter CPU then it sound stupid,

I know they have talked about DTV STB for long time way not integrates it in to a real TV, way make an separate box? Make a full solution.

Even commodore realised the CDTV in 92 with no success, they most be a lot smarter this time.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 10 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 05-Mar-2003 09:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Frodon):
You sound exactly like so many others sounded like while defending Amiga Inc.'s change of direction. I'm not saying I don't agree, just pointing out the obvious.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 11 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 05-Mar-2003 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (MiniBobF):
> That's offical confirmation that Pegasos II will run the Galileo DiscoveryII.

Galilieo Technology seems to be a division within Marvell Technology Group Ltd now.

http://www.marvell.com/products/communication/discoveryII/index.jsp
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 12 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 05-Mar-2003 09:47 GMT
Also nice to see that they licensed ProStation Audio for bundling with the OS! :-)

http://www.audiolabs.it/prostation/index.html
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 13 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by MiniBobF on 05-Mar-2003 09:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (takemehomegrandma):
Er yeah. i.e. "It's the same thing".

Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 14 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 05-Mar-2003 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (takemehomegrandma):
> Also nice to see that they licensed ProStation Audio for bundling with the OS! :-)

yes, thats very nice :) considering the price alone for the software...

mos will be the first OS in history to bundle a professional audio package with
the os :)
what audio cards does mos support, besides the builtin one ?
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 15 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 05-Mar-2003 10:01 GMT
Genesi has not changed plans, nor have they added DTV STB to their plans. Those plans have been there all along, and things that BBRV has said publicly over the past few months (including CES announcements) reveal that. And a little research into what Genesi affiliates have been selling gives a few more clues.

And - as mentioned before - the revenue from other sectors allows Genesi to drive their desktop forward financially, with software crossing over from one side to the other because of a common operating system.


<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
 
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 16 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 05-Mar-2003 10:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (catohagen):
> what audio cards does mos support, besides the builtin one ?

Any card with a driver! :-p
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 17 of 201ANN.lu
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Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 18 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 05-Mar-2003 10:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (takemehomegrandma):
> Any card with a driver! :-p

ofcource ,stupid question :)
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 19 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 05-Mar-2003 10:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (i-hate-pegasos):
> They are taking the amiga market apart. First they pulled the developers out of >the market to work on MorphOS.

whats wrong with developers making few bucks for a change ?

and being an amigan never changes, you are that for the rest of your life, nothing
stops developers working on both platforms....more cashflow...
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 20 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 05-Mar-2003 10:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (catohagen):
You allmost sounds reasonable! What has happened?!?! ;-)
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 21 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by cAHVA on 05-Mar-2003 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (i-hate-pegasos):
Amiga Inc. is the real danger to Amiga community. Genesi has done nothing but good to Amigamarket. They are "fresh",organised and know what they want to do.
Genesi has brought more "momentum" than AI never had.

If you think genesi has divided Amiga community, so be it. I rather be on the side where the grass is greener.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 22 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 05-Mar-2003 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (takemehomegrandma):
>You allmost sounds reasonable! What has happened?!?! ;-)

i have no idea..... :) im having really good days lately...
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 23 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 05-Mar-2003 10:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (catohagen):
Ah! Springtime ... The sun returns to the dark north ... Love is in the air ... That kind of things?
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 24 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Waldenberg on 05-Mar-2003 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (i-hate-pegasos):
I hate theese kind of comments... Both OS's have a future.... AND both will probably have their con's and pro's once AmigaOS4 is out... Pegasos is a nice piece of hardware and if some people smarten up around here (both MorphOS and AmigaOS4 developers included) and stop being so pig-headed, We could freely choose what we want to run (and maybe have both installed) regardless of if we have a Pegasos or A1. I wan't to be able to run both regardless of what hardware I buy.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 25 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 05-Mar-2003 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (i-hate-pegasos):
Genesi have now, by and large, got most of the Amiga community on-side with them. I know people who, a few months ago, despised Pegasos/MorphOS, but are now eager to buy one :)

You can't blame Genesi for "harming the Amiga". All Genesi did was deliver product, keep promises, and support the community. Exactly what Amiga Inc should have been doing if they wanted to keep their customers.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 26 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Mar-2003 10:59 GMT
I don't say Gesis plans are bad. But I would like to hear what is the difference to AmigaInc's plans ? MOS Supporters shouted that AI does not care about Amigans and that they are just interested about PDA and STB etc. And now Genesi is doing the same and now it is not bad ?

Personally I think their plans sound good as much AI's plans have sounded good.
So why people are now ready to accept plans like that ehen they can't accept plans like that from Amigainc ?
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 27 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 05-Mar-2003 11:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Frodon):
so

you agree that Morphos will be less and less Amiga in the future ?

It will be less compatible than Amiga API ? So how does this help Amigans ?

Anything "away from amiga" is exactly that NOT/Less amiga products.

so why are Genesi using Amiga forums/developers gaining support only to get out and not be Amiga in the future ?

We are getting suckered and used simple fact :-(

Why dont Genesi promise to support Amiga compatibility in all its products forever ?

No - Genesi says it has Amiga compatibility now, in 1 to 2 years down the line Genesi will say -"we dont need Amiga compatibility now" so we should drop it.

People be using pegasos IIs and say ok, so in the end you dont have an Amiga product and will eventually would move away from the Amiga roots and strive to be different.

This is the hostility that faces Genesi now. People see it a mile off - prove them wrong (and not with just words).

You could make the promise that Genesi will support Amiga 100 %, then one year later change the company name and start fresh without any need to honour previous companies promises.

Thats the way I see it.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 28 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 05-Mar-2003 11:25 GMT
Despite my usual reservations, I must say that this is more what I expect from a company who intents to actually produce.

Good luck with the set top box. I still think it will fail, but that is merely a personal opinion. It has a better chance to succeed if it has a reasobale OS, and reasonable software to run on it.

A far better announcement than the usual ones regarding attacks on others, failed hardware, and vaporware. Maybe I am wrong about Bill/Genesi. But we shall have to let father time decide.

AdmV
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 29 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 05-Mar-2003 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (samface):
Does it run MOS apps? Yes.
Does it run AOS3.x apps? Yes.

That's the answer to your b*llshit.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 30 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 05-Mar-2003 11:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (samface):
Amiga Inc. coded some stuff (or licenced some) and went after developers to use
them in their products. That's not the case with Genesi. It was a company that
asked them to make an STB based on the Pegasos running MOS, and CONTRACTED them
to do them.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 31 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 05-Mar-2003 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (anon):
We just posted this over on amiga.org:

Subject : Re: Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration

Hi trgse, we are sure like some people in this community you are frustrated by our success. Your insults are not necessary. Just stick to other threads. Phoenix never had any support or substance behind them. Now they do. We can already see positive results. There is really no sense in continuing all the bickering back and fourth. We are moving ahead with or without you.

Cato, we have noticed your posts! And, yours too AdmV -- thanks for being civil!

Sincerely,

Raquel and Bill
Genesi
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 32 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 05-Mar-2003 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (i-hate-pegasos):
And you're a danger to yourself and others, I know a nice institution that could
house you. It's free, you just have to sign some papers. There are some nice guys
in white there. They will take care of you.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 33 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 05-Mar-2003 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (anon):
The Amiga compatability layer is here to stay. It is compatible to OS3.x apps
and will remain compatible. It will only get better:)

BTW, this way developers will FINALLY be able to make some money by selling
product to 2 bunches of users, MOS and OS4 ones.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 34 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Damien McKenna on 05-Mar-2003 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (samface):
One major difference between AmigaDE/AmigaOS and MorphOS is that when MorphOS is being used in the STB it is the actual OS being used, not some version of Windows. The difference is quite substantial. When work is done to enhance system libraries to make the STB work better, that will directly affect the desktop MorphOS, unlike AmigaDE which runs in its own little world, ie hosted on Windows.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 35 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Damien McKenna on 05-Mar-2003 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (samface):
It isn't at all similar to Amiga Inc's change of focus to AmigaDE. Genesi is using the funding they receive from these OEM deals to futher enhance core components of their _desktop_ platform too. You surely don't think that a few thousand potential users is going to keep a large number of people employed, especially at the prices demanded in today's market?
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 36 of 201ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 17 (i-hate-pegasos):
Message removed by CK for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Profanity, yelling
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 37 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 05-Mar-2003 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
>MOS Supporters shouted that AI does not care about Amigans and that they are >just interested about PDA and STB etc. And now Genesi is doing the same and now >it is not bad ?

The differnece is that the software on the pda/stb will be aos3.x compatible and created by amiga develeopers and the stb is created by amiga developers.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 38 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 05-Mar-2003 12:05 GMT
Must say that this is a smart move.
Nice Specs:

- DDR400
- Support for both 60x and MPx bus and both multi CPU capable.
- 3 * Gigabit Ethernet
- 8Gbyte memory Space (I hope these guys included strong output buffers to avoid the Articia memory fiasco (the need for buffered memory).

I guess that the only reason for the articia is the full AGP support. I don't know much about AGP's extra features over PCI like fastwrites etc. and if it is required by modern AGP cards to function, but if it's not then one could use the 133Mhz PCI-X slot to create an AGP 2x slot (with the help of some glue logic/FPGA).

But the best thing is Discovory-II developement system with two ZIF sockets and include the schematics, Bill of materials and even Gerber data . As operating system is Linux available....
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 39 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 05-Mar-2003 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Frodon):
..all of the apps you listed are still using the Amiga API stuff...they just happen to be PPC native.

wheres the QBox stuff? wheres stuff that doesnt rely of cgfx.library, workbench,
asl.library etc?

alan
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 40 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Cormoran on 05-Mar-2003 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (anon):
>you agree that Morphos will be less and less Amiga in the future ?

Amiga has been dead for more than 10 years. If there is not past, why do you care about the future?

>It will be less compatible than Amiga API ? So how does this help Amigans ?

In exactly the same way that OS 4.0 will work. The thing that can help Amigas is to have a future, not a dead past.

>Anything "away from amiga" is exactly that NOT/Less amiga products.

>so why are Genesi using Amiga forums/developers gaining support only to get out and not be Amiga in the future ?

Because Genesi Developers are Amigans and they know that the remaining Amiga developers are good developers.

We are getting suckered and used simple fact :-(

The great difference is that Genesi are supporting the developers. In a very short way to make you understand it: They are paying developers for their work, sometimes through licenses to be included in Morphos, sometimes contracting the developers to work in Morphos. You can call it used or whatever you like it, but the fact is that some people is getting money from the job they are doing.

>Why don't Genesi promise to support Amiga compatibility in all its products forever ?

Why do they have to do that? They are a business, not a charity. Additionally has any of the Amiga "successors" promised such thing (How easily forget Gateway, AmigaInc, Linux, QNX, etc... The only people who seemed to like an Amiga future was Escom and we are talking from long time ago....

No - Genesi says it has Amiga compatibility now, in 1 to 2 years down the line Genesi will say -"we don't need Amiga compatibility now" so we should drop it.

>People be using pegasos IIs and say ok, so in the end you don't have an Amiga product and will eventually would move away from the Amiga roots and strive to be different.

If you analyse carefully the actions of people behind Genesi you will see that they have been working for many years in order to provide your beloved compatibility and continuity. The main difference (in my opinion) is that they have been working, not promising.

>This is the hostility that faces Genesi now. People see it a mile off - prove them wrong (and not with just words).

Hostility?. The hostility can be coming from certain people that uses this forums to express opinions in a very rude way (in the same way that some people express their opinion in a very rude way against the OS 4.0 option). But I don't think the are facing the kind of hostility you refer.

>You could make the promise that Genesi will support Amiga 100 %, then one year later change the company name and start fresh without any need to honour previous companies promises.

At least we are still talking about hopes for a new future and wondering if they will maintain compatibility etc... Thin about it this way.. They are risking their money in a project that can or can't make a profit in the future, shouldn't they be asking for promises as well?

>That's the way I see it.

And that's the way I see it.

Regards.

Cormoran.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 41 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 05-Mar-2003 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
What happened to you, Alkis?

You're so hostile now, why do you let these posts get the better of you?
Just ignore it and your life will be a happier one, without alot of frustration and stress..

take care, man
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 42 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 05-Mar-2003 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (reflect):
Nothing, I'm just a bit jumpy these days... I shouldn't reply at all but I did.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 43 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 05-Mar-2003 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Amifan):
Erm make that DDR333, DDR400 is planned in the future....But anyway...nice :-)
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 44 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 05-Mar-2003 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (greenboy):
Just like Amiga Inc. hasn't changed their plans, AmigaDE has been there the whole time.

Again; you guys sound *just like* so many others sounded like when defending Amiga Inc.'s plans a couple of years back. The difference is only in your head.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 45 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 05-Mar-2003 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (samface):
Samface: it's completely different (as many have already explained.)
In my mind, the STB deal is just another distro of morphos, for smaller devices. That's all. Same OS. Same apps. -> 100% benefit

completely different from draining developers for something completely different (DE)
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 46 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 05-Mar-2003 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (samface):
I know about AmigaDE... I was referring to AmigaOS4, which was not on the roadmap at all until much later. And here I pay due respect to the Friedens at Hyperion who implement AOS4, and with whom I have had good email correspondence with in the past. Salude!
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 47 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Colin on 05-Mar-2003 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (samface):
Who cares? Amiga inc are a complete disgrace to Amiga users worldwide, what have they ever produced? FFS they can not even send out t-shits so how the hell are people supposed to take them serious?

The soon Amiga inc dies off and lets proper useful companies take over the better it will be for Amiga users.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 48 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 05-Mar-2003 13:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (mahen):
Hello mahen,

Yes you got the point! :)

Regards
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 49 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 05-Mar-2003 13:37 GMT
The one major problem with this north bridge chip is the lack of AGP support. I really wonder how they will pull this off, although not from a lack of talent.

I would love to hear exactly how they plan to surmount that hurdle.

As for Samface's usual idiocy:

AmigaOS versus AmigaDE: different platform, different API, different apps, different ABI, different code base, similar trademark only.

MorphOS on STB versus MorphOS on Pegasos: same API, same apps, same ABI, same code base.

The reason we don't like AmigaDE isn't marketing jargon, it's because it doesn't have anything to do with the friggin Amiga!!! It's some Java-wannabe which has no relation to AmigaOS whatsoever. Some people had hopes that it would mean finiancial stability for Amiga Inc. and thus somehow would end up supporting AOS4 development, but I don't see how anybody can fool themselves into beliving that now.

The MorphOS STB however will directly benefit OS development.
Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration and the future of the Pegasos : Comment 50 of 201ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 05-Mar-2003 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (strobe):
Hello,

@strobe
Don't worry there will be AGP :)

Regards
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