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[Files] Complete precompiled Tcl/Tk v8.4.2 package released for Amiga.ANN.lu
Posted on 08-Mar-2003 08:10 GMT by dcr8520 (Edited on 2003-03-09 15:56:04 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä)16 comments
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Tcl (Tool Command Language) is easy to learn and you can create a useful program in minutes!. Tcl is a very simple programming language. If you have programmed before, you can learn enough to write interesting Tcl programs within a few hours. You are free to use it however you wish, even in commercial applications.
If you need more information about Tcl, check out the main Tcl/Tk page.

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Complete precompiled Tcl/Tk v8.4.2 package released for Amiga. : Comment 1 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 08-Mar-2003 08:52 GMT
The problem with all these languages is that there is no library allowing you to build an Amiga GUI, so you are restricted to CLI based programs.

For example, Python has a cross platform GUI module (wxPython) which is said to be very good, and would give a good free OO language for Amiga coders. But who has the time and skills to write an Amiga version of this module?
Complete precompiled Tcl/Tk v8.4.2 package released for Amiga. : Comment 2 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Jean Holzammer on 08-Mar-2003 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Don Cox):
If you need a scripting language that is easy to use and has builtin capability (without loosing platform independence) you might have a look at REBOL: http://www.rebol.com
Complete precompiled Tcl/Tk v8.4.2 package released for Amiga. : Comment 3 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 08-Mar-2003 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Jean Holzammer):
Problem with REBOL is it's licensing issues. I rather have TCL/TK for the coders to use and not worry about licensing issues.

Dammy
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Posted by Don Cox on 08-Mar-2003 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (dammy):
I'm inclined to agree with this. Rebol is very clever, but it is a proprietary product, as is Java.

It seems safest to use a cross-platform free language, like C (gcc compiler), Perl, PHP, Python, Tcl, etc.

The problem on the Amiga is the GUI. We don't urgently need a scripting language as we already have a good one. What we do need is an up to date high level language that is not too hard for the amateur coder to produce a stable GUI-based program.
Complete precompiled Tcl/Tk v8.4.2 package released for Amiga. : Comment 5 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 08-Mar-2003 15:32 GMT
Great! Thanks a lot to the author of this product!
Finally I can develop TCL directly on Amiga, get used to
it and thus also make better eggdrop scripts
(which will make happy the owner of the botnet
I'm in - hi hell_rc5 ;-)
Complete precompiled Tcl/Tk v8.4.2 package released for Amiga. : Comment 6 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 08-Mar-2003 21:05 GMT
Is this the Tcl/Tk that needs the xemul.library (sp?)? from Geek Gadgets?If not than hey.... coolTcl is a scripting language but Tk is a graphical toolkit extension to Tcl for which you can make GUIs.Tkinter I believe is a python module that allows you to use Tk thru python for GUIs and I believe it's considered somewhat the standard GUI toolkit on python.(versions are available on windows, mac and unix's including Linux --- and this sounds like Amiga is now added to that list...)The big question is, how compatable (and how complete) is AmigaPython in this regards.Note pyAros (python for AROS) is in part taken from Amiga python but goes beyond the last version of Amiga Python.PyAROS is of version 2.2 of python and Amiga Python I think only goes up to version 2.0 of python and is not complete in some regards.So.... if this Tcl/Tk is complete enough, then you can use it to creatre GUIs.There is also Gui4Cli but Demitris has dropped Amiga developemnt (though you can still get it from him, and the source code is open)--- He is now working off windows and gui4cli for it.(I understand if there is any growing interest in gui4cli that Demitris might pick it back up)Anyway I'm going to check this out.
Complete precompiled Tcl/Tk v8.4.2 package released for Amiga. : Comment 7 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 08-Mar-2003 22:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (3seas):
Yes it does appear to need at least a minimum GeekGadgets install... Though I don't know what all that means. Maybe just the ixemul.library ??? shrugAbove I might have made it sound like it wasn't cool to be using GeekGadgets (GG) but I dodn't mean that, but rather only that GeekGadgets has had someTcl/Tk version for some time. This one might even be that. If it is and you find interest in it then you might be interested in other Geekgadgets works.the Geekgadgets mailing list has picked up a little in activity...
Complete precompiled Tcl/Tk v8.4.2 package released for Amiga. : Comment 8 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 09-Mar-2003 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Don Cox):
.. but Tcl/Tk does have a GUI.

I've written some scripts using Tcl/Tk and
it was easy to get something up and running
quickly. I don't think the GUI stuff is
very sophisticated but it does the job.

koan
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Posted by Petr Krenzelok on 09-Mar-2003 17:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Don Cox):
It is really fantastic to read various claims about issue x mixed with issue y. So you say Rebol is clever language, but because of licensing issues you suggest using alternatives, C being amongst them? Well, how can C be alternative to Rebol or TCL/TK?

You guys seem to be too addicted to "being free" - it only shows you have no right idea for commercial projects, because instead of trying to find out how to find faster way to get your product into market, you concentrate upon not all that important issues ...

Besides that - if you would check RT's website correctly, you would have to find out, that Core and View are gonna be available free even for commercial purposes.

-pekr-
Complete precompiled Tcl/Tk v8.4.2 package released for Amiga. : Comment 10 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 09-Mar-2003 17:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Petr Krenzelok):
I agree... it's amazing how someone can spend the time and effort to develop a free package only to have people scrutinize it like it's trivial.

There is no perfect solution for anything. Be happy that someone has taken the initiative to provide you with some *choice*.

Kudos to the author.
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Posted by Don Cox on 09-Mar-2003 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (koan):
Is the GUI based on MUI, Reaction , or Gadtools?
Complete precompiled Tcl/Tk v8.4.2 package released for Amiga. : Comment 12 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 09-Mar-2003 21:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Petr Krenzelok):
>You guys seem to be too addicted to "being free" - it only
>shows you have no right idea for commercial projects,
>because instead of trying to find out how to find faster way
>to get your product into market, you concentrate upon not
>all that important issues ...

Being tied to royalities and having to pay for distribute a
work is an important issue. That's why someone decided
to develop formats like PNG or OGG Vorbis, for example.

The world outside this small market is going evryday more
open source and royality-free software. Hope someone will
underatand it and take advantage from this situation because
Amiga NEEDS this kind of stuff, both the classic Amiga and
the future ones.
Complete precompiled Tcl/Tk v8.4.2 package released for Amiga. : Comment 13 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 10-Mar-2003 00:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Don Cox):
>I'm inclined to agree with this. Rebol is very clever, but it is a proprietary product, as is Java.

Didn't know that you have to pay someone to be able to program in Java.
Complete precompiled Tcl/Tk v8.4.2 package released for Amiga. : Comment 14 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 10-Mar-2003 21:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Don Cox):
I don't know, I haven't downloaded it yet but it cannot be
Tk if there is no GUI. It would have to be called TCL
(Tool Command Language) if it didn't have a GUI.

koan
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Posted by Don Cox on 11-Mar-2003 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (koan):
"I don't know, I haven't downloaded it yet but it cannot be
Tk if there is no GUI. It would have to be called TCL
(Tool Command Language) if it didn't have a GUI."

I downloaded it but couldn't see any Amiga example programs or any indication how you would use it to create an Amiga program with a GUI.
Complete precompiled Tcl/Tk v8.4.2 package released for Amiga. : Comment 16 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by dcr8520 on 12-Mar-2003 03:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Don Cox):
there are the link library LibTK.a, but no support for GUIs (without X ) ...
this package is just a precompilation of the source core (no modifications was made)
may in the future a support for GUIs can be done (someone interesed?:) but by now, as I am novice, I can't do it..
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