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Posted on 09-Mar-2003 17:33 GMT by Sjoerd122 comments
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Read this from D. Scheibler on MorphOS news: PPC Mainboards: Terra Soft removes Teron-based PowerPC mainbaord from their Online Store From the Terra Soft homepage: "Terra Soft ATX PowerPC Systems Terra Soft Current and Pending Customers, "Many of you have enthusiastically and patiently awaited the delivery of MAI Logic's Teron motherboards on which Terra Soft's Boxer ATX systems will be built. We have removed the Teron-based systems from our online Store until further notice in order to reduce further confusion and false expectations. We promise to bring this product to market as soon as possible." --Terra Soft Team" http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=hardware&submitimg[hardware][boxer]=1
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 09-Mar-2003 17:19 GMT
Hmm. Looks like Terrasoft also have some problems in getting CPU's ...
;-)
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Posted by Troels E on 09-Mar-2003 17:26 GMT
So have anyone been in contact with Terrasoft and got a reason? (probably northbridge delivery problems).

Wonder when they will sort things out... Looks like my new computer is still far far away :-(
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Posted by Seehund on 09-Mar-2003 17:32 GMT
We're so lucky that we're not allowed to buy our hardware from these "dishonest" companies that try to avoid giving false release dates without having a clue, making empty promises, spreading FUD (like posting meaningless details from French financial records trying to find some shit to fling) against what they falsely perceive as competitors. Companies that won't sell products until they work as advertised ("Articia bugs? BULLSHIT! Come buy our Teron CX^W^W AmigaOneSE... What, they're discontinued?"). Companies that don't take credit for the work of others and don't deliberately hide self-evident facts ("it's NOT a Teron CX, our hardware design dept designed the 'AmigaOne' based on the Teron!" "OK, those phase5 fellows actually managed to find a bug, but I found it TOO! I just didn't want to tell anyone until AFTER the happy amateurs and spoil their fun. BTW, have you all placed your orders yet?").
Thanks AInc/Eyetech for the protection against against sales and a chance to a growing userbase of AmigaOS, thanks for the protection against "pricegouging dealers". Thanks for inventing a restricted "Amiga hardware market", on which the only allowed distributor doesn't even have any control over product design/development/planning.

Oh well, as I've said before: when a reliable company without a monopoly, like Terra Soft, starts selling the Teron PX, then THAT is the time the Teron PX is available. Not "in two more weeks", not "before Christmas" or "when I'm finished betatesting in Taiwan" or "just don't buy that Other Motherboard, and I'll give a new ridiculous release date that I just invented out of thin air" or whatever others might say.
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Posted by L8-X on 09-Mar-2003 17:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Seehund):
I`ll just nip along to my local dixons and buy a peg then eh?

;)
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Posted by Ben Hormon/HYPErion on 09-Mar-2003 17:44 GMT
"For the record, there is no Articia bug."
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Posted by L8-X on 09-Mar-2003 17:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Ben Hormon/HYPErion):
Ben Hormone.....lol....I thought he was belgian not swiss?
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Posted by JoannaK on 09-Mar-2003 18:00 GMT
Nice to have one company with some decensy left. Perhaps it's cause they are not Amiga releated.

Real reason would be nice to know... But :(
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Mar-2003 18:19 GMT
I can not wait to see Eyetech pouring in with all their bullshit excuses why it is talking so long to send the TeronONE boards from Taiwan.

Eyetech workers and owner/s are just children with a company to try and play the big time.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Mar-2003 18:36 GMT
So, now everyone should understand the "No MAI without April" pun.
The situation will eventualy clear up. If MAI does not deliver for ever they will definitely lose customers.
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Posted by DaveP on 09-Mar-2003 18:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Christophe Decanini):
I don't think anyone had any problem understanding the pun. It was the appropriateness of the pun in a press release.
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Posted by Rafo on 09-Mar-2003 19:02 GMT
Why search for a complicated reason ?
Teron northbridge is buggy. TerraSoft doesn't want to sell buggy stuff. End of the story.
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Posted by catohagen on 09-Mar-2003 19:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Ben Hormon/HYPErion):
>"For the record, there is no Articia bug."

still wierd, that the a1 with buggy articia(?) still beats Pegasos with
the Articia fix(april chip), even with the same cpu/mhz :)

ok ok, it isnt tested with an Pegasos equiped April2(TM), so i'm curious what the April1 chip fixes ? :)
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 09-Mar-2003 19:19 GMT
The reason why Terraosoft is pulling these products has nothing to do with the hardware itself.

It's all about money.

That's all I'm going to say about this.

It is very telling however that MorphOS supporters are so desperate for any sign of bad news relating to OS 4 and the A1.
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Posted by catohagen on 09-Mar-2003 19:22 GMT
and the point of this news submittion is ?

Terrasoft isnt selling anything to this end of the marked(to amigans)

Eyetech probably took a large piece of the finished boards ?

I understand that the Pegasos is out of the marked for a while, so is
fun to try scare off every remaining A1 customer, right ? :)
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Posted by 1of9 on 09-Mar-2003 19:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
I'm sure some NASA, or IBM or EU-council representative forwarded the secret reasons (It's all about money, very original) to you. The point, however, is that it is not all about money. And that, by example, is all I am going to say regarding this.
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Posted by Mike on 09-Mar-2003 19:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> The reason why Terraosoft is pulling these products has nothing to do with the
> hardware itself.
>
> It's all about money.

Oh strange, that's not what TerraSoft told me.

Will you stop spreading lies one day?
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Posted by TECH on 09-Mar-2003 19:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Mike):
Oh strange, that TerraSoft told me it was about money.

Will you stop spreading lies.
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Mar-2003 19:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Oh, there's /plenty/ of bad news, did you see those benchmarks? That's an entry level PC on the right hand side. Any desktop computer that's slower (e.g. the Pegasos and the AmigaOne models) is obsolete pretty much by definition.

Isn't it time for you to announce some more OS4 delays? So much work to be done, and only 200 working days left.
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Posted by DaveP on 09-Mar-2003 19:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Mike):
Look its a bit silly to come in here and just shout "liar" and not back it
up with anything.

Rather than have just one persons word against another, given you shouted
"liar" ( and the borg above you ) how about you present us with some evidence
like an extract from an email, or a link, or tapes from a phone conversation.

Without this it looks remarkably like Fear Uncertainty Doubt - which I am sure
you want to clear up right away.
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Posted by Remco Komduur on 09-Mar-2003 20:09 GMT
Wouldn't it be cool IF this was because Eyetech took the whole batch of the Teron to be able to fullfill the XE demand that has been rising and rising....

We will soon see what the reason is !!!!!!
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Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 09-Mar-2003 20:12 GMT
Nice to see people thrive and feed so well on bad news. [sigh!]
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Posted by Frodon on 09-Mar-2003 20:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Mike):
Hello,

"Oh strange, that's not what TerraSoft told me.

Will you stop spreading lies one day?"

Well it's hard to know what's the real reason in that case. For now there is nothing which prove that what you say is the truth or not.

Personally I think that a technical reason is a more valid reason than a money reason as I don't really understand why TerraSoft is able to resell Apple PowerMac and Xserve with Linux and wouldn't be able to resell TerraSoft Teron motherboards as the Teron are cheaper than the Apple Macs.

Additionaly a money issue can have multiple causes included technical one...

I think the best thing to do is to wait for the official reason from TerraSoft (if they'll give one). (Maybe Eyetech can give it too, but Eyetech is not TerraSoft and obviously I'd trust more an official statement from TerraSoft about this issue than one from Eyetech.)

Regards
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Mar-2003 20:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Frodon):
Delivery of A1XEs in large numbers would also tell us something. Unlike opinion, or opinion presented as fact, which we've seen a lot of.

Eventually non-delivery of A1XEs would also tell us something.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 09-Mar-2003 20:59 GMT
According my sources it's a licencing issue, it seems Terrasoft wants mai to pay a fee for every board sold, not just those that TerraSoft sells, but also eg the Aone boards.

But don't take my word for it, i'm sure some people will call me a liar now :)

Amon_Re
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Posted by MIKE on 09-Mar-2003 21:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
The irony coming from you the chief FUDmaster, note TerraSoft pulled the product, I don't think Bill Buck pressured them to do so. Shut up and deliver a product instead of a planned feature list, and ugly screengrabs, that will go a long ways to helping your credibility.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 09-Mar-2003 21:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (MIKE):
My my my, aren't we feeling hostile today...

Amon_Re
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Posted by Leo on 09-Mar-2003 21:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Christophe Decanini):
What customers ? ;)
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Posted by catohagen on 09-Mar-2003 21:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (MIKE):
>ugly screengrabs

they where ugly ? :)
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Posted by szutoman on 09-Mar-2003 21:23 GMT
Just another reason why I will not frequent Ann, everyone jumps the gun and says a bunch of crap without knowing the real truth. Just wait people, my god, something is going to happen(-:


amigworld.net - a greta place to be!!
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Posted by Atheist2 on 09-Mar-2003 21:33 GMT
I don't know anything about designing motherboards, but doesn't this problem stem all the way back to moto and ibm. They say "we want to make money, we will sell to the biggest market, 'home users', we will make a razzle dazzle chip with upward potential (64 bit)".

Then they make a chip, which they don't make enough of to meet demand (this is 2 MAJOR companies, not able to meet demand), and also throw them out with no practical way for them to be used other than a "POP specification" to cross the waters with.

They wanted everything but their wishy washy effort was pathetic and ruined it all.

AmigaOne! Hampered by COLOSSALS who can't see the ants!
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 09-Mar-2003 21:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (MIKE):
If the real reason comes out, you are going to feel pretty stupid.
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Posted by Troels E on 09-Mar-2003 22:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Since Eyetech has chosen to go completely silent, could you tell us IF this will affect the A1-XE delivery?
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Posted by smithy on 09-Mar-2003 22:16 GMT
If only the developers of MOS and OS4 had decided not to go with non-mainstream hardware... maybe we'd see these two systems readily available today. I assume, it is because of the hardware that MOS and OS4 aren't being produced in mass quantities.

Not only that, but the potential market would be several million times bigger, the hardware would be cheaper and more advanced.. and we'd not be waiting for "another 2 weeks".

I'd bet it'd take less time to port OS4 and MOS to PC hardware in less time than it will to sort out the current difficulties with PPC hardware. And, even if the PPC difficulties are sorted, what then? Where is the upgrade path? Will yet more problems hound the upgrade path?

I said this over 2 years ago... choosing non-mainstream hardware was an enormous mistake. Why don't Hyperion and Genesi admit this and give their new operating systems a real chance in the real world by using real industry-standard hardware? I'd like to hear their replies....
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Posted by Jürgen Schober on 09-Mar-2003 22:30 GMT
So, if the A1 is so bad, why not take a look here:

http://www.pointdesign.at/content/amigaone.html

have fun. And yes, it's running on the XE.
(Guess on what machine I'm typing this).
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Posted by Petr Krenzelok on 09-Mar-2003 22:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (smithy):
Genesi - kind of heritage from ex-P5 folks? imo MOS was thought as natural upgrade path for AmigaHW, already existing PPC cards, but OS development takes some time, and imo old PPC Amiga hw legacy is not important anymore

Hyperion - Ben showed us some time ago their pov is influenced by their bad sales of games under x86 Linux. He also used argument of BeOS, not being succesfull.

I think that it is clear that both sides are wrong. We can find even x86 based hw being small and silent (VIA Eden), yet powerfull enough and the Be Inc. situation is not all that comparable to Amiga ...

... but we can't do anything about it ...

-pekr-
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Mar-2003 22:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Jürgen Schober):
Looks like you are being the proud owner of a LinuxONE. Maybe you should read more linux sites? Slightly OT, aren't we?
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Mar-2003 22:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
We already know, Eytech bought out terrasoft and MAI alltogether. We will hear more next week, for sure.
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Posted by JoannaK on 09-Mar-2003 22:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Troels E):
:-)
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Posted by dammy on 09-Mar-2003 23:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (szutoman):
Oh, that web site where the phrase, "two leg Baaaad, four leg gooood." seems so suited for?

Dammy
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Posted by Troels E on 09-Mar-2003 23:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (JoannaK):
I guess you're having fun Joanna unlike the rest of us waiting to see the A1 being delivered. Not to forget the people whos's job and income are dependant on the actual delivery (that would be Mai, Eyetech, Hyperion and every developer doig something any bigger project involving OS4).

Anyway as long as you enjoy yourself and the 299,- "now out of production" Pegasos you have or might get...?

I personally would find another delay rather sad (being A1 OR Peg2).

:-(
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Posted by Clive on 09-Mar-2003 23:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Troels E):
Well said, any delay is bad for the customers no matter what the product is but many people seem to find fun out of it, i was going to purchase a Pegasus board but there is no way i am going to wait months, i will stick with Amithlon than be pissed around like this.
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 09-Mar-2003 23:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
I wonder if it was the FCC approval.......that takes time and money. Nothing like a bureaucracy to stand in your way.
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Posted by JoannaK on 09-Mar-2003 23:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Troels E):
Well.. Unfortunately you misread my short comment quite badly. I'm not particulary happy about Terrasoft boxer procuts (or lack of them) or other Linux-only boards even though you might want to think so. Even it may be impossible for you to realize I don't need any more Linux boxes whatever name they might have. At the moment I'm only interested this as a part o bigger picture. And I have been following this Mai/articia quite long time now.

What I considered funny was readig your posts here and A-one list was just so ... Well, fun, to say it bluntly. After all those arrigant flames and insults you have thrown on me while I've tried (and sometimes even succeeded) to sqeeze some real and useful information out of Hyperion/Eyetech, seeing you getting desperate and seeking for any information ... Well, suits you, Sir. :)
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Posted by Troels E on 09-Mar-2003 23:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (JoannaK):
@J.Kurki

"Well.. Unfortunately you misread my short comment quite badly. I'm not particulary happy about Terrasoft boxer procuts (or lack of them) or other Linux-only boards even though you might want to think so. Even it may be impossible for you to realize I don't need any more Linux boxes whatever name they might have. At the moment I'm only interested this as a part o bigger picture. And I have been following this Mai/articia quite long time now."

I know you probably don't need another Linux board, that wasn't what I meant (I think you know that). I was talking about possible further delays for AMIGAone (not LinuxOne) and possibly OS4.

"What I considered funny was readig your posts here and A-one list was just so ... Well, fun, to say it bluntly. After all those arrigant flames and insults you have thrown on me while I've tried (and sometimes even succeeded) to sqeeze some real and useful information out of Hyperion/Eyetech, seeing you getting desperate and seeking for any information ... Well, suits you, Sir. :)"

"All those arrigant flames.." links please!

You DIDN'T try to squeeze information out, you where a pain in the ass on that list, it's not like I was the only one commenting on that.

Anyway, I'm glad you no longer post on that list because you didn't add anything usefull to it (even though you seem to have a lot of knowledge about the subject :-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Mar-2003 23:56 GMT
This is great news.
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Posted by sutro on 10-Mar-2003 00:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (JoannaK):
>Nice to have one company with some decensy left. Perhaps it's cause they are not Amiga releated.

No, they are as bad/good as any Amiga related company. They just don't have to listen to any community's flames.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Mar-2003 01:25 GMT
With comments like the abouve that really must be someone spoofing Hermans, if it is not then hyperion are nothing more than complete amateurs who have no business sense and deserve to fail.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 10-Mar-2003 01:28 GMT
Genesi told us about the problem once they did the first fix (April 1)
Ben told us there was no bug, than Eyetech said they had a fixed Articia (the wiring on the boards).
Then Eyetech said they were waiting for a newer Articia.
Then Genesi decided to switch northbridge and Eyetech is not delivering because waiting for the new Articia. The 300 Pegasos for sale are still not available in the dealer stores.

I don't know what happen with Terrasoft but all these events make me assuming that MAI is causing some troubles.
The conclusion is that it hurted the community once more at a very inapropriate time.
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