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[Web] Terra Soft removes Teron-based PowerPC mainbaord from their Online StoreANN.lu
Posted on 09-Mar-2003 17:33 GMT by Sjoerd122 comments
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Read this from D. Scheibler on MorphOS news: PPC Mainboards: Terra Soft removes Teron-based PowerPC mainbaord from their Online Store From the Terra Soft homepage: "Terra Soft ATX PowerPC Systems Terra Soft Current and Pending Customers, "Many of you have enthusiastically and patiently awaited the delivery of MAI Logic's Teron motherboards on which Terra Soft's Boxer ATX systems will be built. We have removed the Teron-based systems from our online Store until further notice in order to reduce further confusion and false expectations. We promise to bring this product to market as soon as possible." --Terra Soft Team" http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=hardware&submitimg[hardware][boxer]=1
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 10-Mar-2003 02:42 GMT
Please stop to do fake Ben posts.
If you have something interesting to say there are other ways to do it.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Mar-2003 02:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> even though I'm a lawyer

Aren't you a legal clerk instead of a lawyer?
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Posted by Ben Hormones/Wankerion on 10-Mar-2003 04:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Christophe Decanini):
>Please stop to do fake Ben posts.
>If you have something interesting to say there are other ways to do it.

Thanks Christophe, I was about to Sue! IF you ever want to come to our offices and watch a recompiled intuition and hdinstaller running on 3.x on a classic amiga you are welcome. We have called this little hack project OS4.0
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Posted by Atheist2 on 10-Mar-2003 04:38 GMT
134.58.253.129 13/31
130.94.123.170 47
209.234.160.37 50

Will the REAL Ben Hermans/Hyperion
Please stand up?...

AmigaOne! ... and deliver! :)))
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Posted by Ben Hormones/Wankerion on 10-Mar-2003 04:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Ben Hormones/Wankerion):
Next year we might even start transferring OS4 to the SMP dual processor 68k/PPC Cyberstorm platform!
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Posted by Jürgen Schober on 10-Mar-2003 05:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
> LinuxONE

Guess what Yellowdog sells, so why is this an ANN thread, then ?

Just to mention, the machine carries a complete RDB partitioned OS3.9,
which boots off within UAE just fine, and which will migrate to OS4
ASAP. We choose Debian because the AmigaOS (RDB) support is much better
then from Yellowdog, ATM.

This is a HW thread where people speculate about the nonfunctional HW,
which it is not!
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Posted by smp266 on 10-Mar-2003 05:55 GMT
I don't think anything is going to happen very fast until the next bull market.
Even the PC side is moving pretty slowly. (Hurrah finally serial-ata, too bad the KT400 sucks).
If there is a major blame (for our suffering) it would probably be the economy.
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Posted by Remco Komduur on 10-Mar-2003 06:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Hahahaaaa you can always see how very stupid these spoofers are.....

The sentence buildup doesn't match with Ben Hermans writing style and he would never ever write the name of Hans Joerg wrong.
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 10-Mar-2003 06:44 GMT
Just a short reminder to everyone to please not use other people's names for posting. I can understand that some people are frustrated and think they are being smart/funny, but if you insist on portraying Ben, or anyone else, at least use a nick that can be easily interpreted as parody.
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Posted by Seehund on 10-Mar-2003 06:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Remco Komduur):
I don't think the intent was to fool anyone into thinking it's really Hermans, but using his name like that is low.

The point is that it's not funny, and it's a violation of personal integrity. If people insist on making parodies, then by all means do so, but please TRY to be at least a BIT funny, and don't use other people's names. Not that "Hormones" and "Wankerion" is particularly hilarious or imaginative either... :-P
Bloody kindergarten.
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In reply to Comment 50 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Message removed by CK for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Impersonating
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Posted by DaveP on 10-Mar-2003 07:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Bill McEwen/Amiga Inc.):
ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Do you know how boring spoofing gets?
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 10-Mar-2003 08:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Christophe Decanini):
Why don't you remove them instead then?

You know they are fake.
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Posted by Don Cox on 10-Mar-2003 08:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
"With comments like the abouve that really must be someone spoofing Hermans, if it is not then hyperion are nothing more than complete amateurs who have no business sense and deserve to fail."

Of course it is. Apart from the language style, check the IP address.
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 10-Mar-2003 08:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
I am still the only moderator who can delete comments. We're not being more strict because I very much believe in allowing as much free speech as possible (even if "free speech" often breeds "noise"), and still hope that one day most people will use more common sense when posting. That, and neither I nor the other moderators can be around 24/7.

But I guess I need to use more active moderation right now, things have gotten incrementally worse in recent days. (And impersonating in the shape employed in this item will be considered as "abuse" from now on.)
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 10-Mar-2003 08:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Christian Kemp):
Thanks.

As you can see, at least one person believed (or pretended to believe) that the post was actually by me.

Things are getting completely out of hand and frankly I expect things to become worse rather than better.
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 10-Mar-2003 09:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> Things are getting completely out of hand and frankly I expect things to
> become worse rather than better.

True. Although I still cannot really understand why people chose to behave the way they do. I mean, we're all supposed to be grown-ups, many ANN visitors seem to have university degrees and/or IT jobs, and still there's people behaving like they're ten years old.
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Posted by Remco Komduur on 10-Mar-2003 09:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Christian Kemp):
Yes, but there this human thing again you see. Well behaving and sane based thinking is pretty hard. Well, at least for some.


Mature is not something which happens at a certain age. It's the behaviour and thought process of a person which makes him/her mature or not.
Some allready are mature by the age of 15 and others don't even reach it in this lifetime!!
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Posted by Remco Komduur on 10-Mar-2003 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Remco Komduur):
Oh and what I forget to say is that is regardless of a university degree or high education.

There are also a pretty amount of high schooled people that didn't reach a maturity level.

Usually people act with such insanity because they can't cope with not being right or not being important enough or can't cope with the fact that there are people as good as them.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 10-Mar-2003 09:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Christian Kemp):
I fear that getting a degree is not sufficient in itself.

We've seen CEO's of companies post personal details here of people whose opinions were not to his liking, publically admit to doing background searches into employment records of competitors and post confidential e-mails with the confidentiality footer still attached.

No wonder that some users (on either side of the debate) get the impression that "anything goes".

You reap what you sow.

I'll freely admit to losing my temper on occassion which resulted in some unfortunate wording but there are limits that I will not cross.
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Posted by alan buxey on 10-Mar-2003 09:47 GMT
i'm not usually one to say ' I told you so' but this time..

I told you so.


now, perhaps you people have have no understanding of markets and thought you could get a cheap board (that would never have run OS4) can finally ignore
Terrasoft. A company which had already changed which board they would supply to the Linux PPC market twice and which should never have been given any attention or spotlight.

perhaps some of you might understand the requirements of contractual obligations of support...and that other companies that are trying ot get PPC's into the hands of users ARE going to give..and give!...support to the buyers of their board. Terrasoft were not enduser suppliers...and never wanted to be.
couple this to the strange ideas people have (Terrasoft asking MAI for money for each unit sold? Eyetech making pro$it from all of this hassle they're going through? Hyperion using Windows XP source code? ;-) ) a load of people getting off on 'benchmarks' - which only show the Pegasos being beaten as it should be by the G4 - but the Athlon winning...duh! the Athlon is running optimized code for the tests! GCC doesnt 'do' G4 properly yet.

ann.lu is slowly dying from the exhaustive waste!

alan
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Mar-2003 09:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
You couldn't help yourself, could you?
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Posted by Gelb on 10-Mar-2003 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Yes, right. And now let us check how many times this certain Managing Partner, OS4 Project Manager and Public Relations guy insulted people here, called them names and bragged with information he probably obtained by pretending to be someone else and accused people and companies of doing illegal things. Ben Hermans, the beholder of decency and honour, wearing his white jacket all day long.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 10-Mar-2003 10:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
You are no angel yourself, Ben. You too have a track record.
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Posted by bbrv on 10-Mar-2003 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Yes Ben, you are exactly right: "you reap what you sow."

We will add another one for you: people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Ben, why don't you climb down from your high horse and just worry about yourself and your projects. You might find success more easily this way. You will need all the help you can get now.

From this day forward you are on your own. Do your best. We will not have anything to say about you, your Company, or your project. You stick to your work and we will stick to ours. One day if you need help give us a call. This offer also stands for anyone working on your project. We would be pleased to be working with many of them.

Sincerely and best wishes,

One of the "CEOs"
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Posted by Gunne Steen on 10-Mar-2003 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Anonymous):
Come on no guys... :-) this wasn't so very smart, was it ?

@ Ben Hermans

Also to you, please take it little more easy forward... :-)

It isn't necessary to point out every time someone did something over ruled...

Looking forward to read your posts, ideas and announcements forward also...

/Cheers
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Posted by Remco Komduur on 10-Mar-2003 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Gelb):
Hey, he allready said that on some occasions he lost his temper!!

Who didn't in the situation we have been in these last couple of years. I did also on occasion. It's not about what you did. It's about understanding that you did something wrong and then saying to yourself "That wasn't smart and good. I'll not do this again!".

That's what mature behaviour is. Knowing you did something wrong and then not do it again! Sane behaviour is also not about using these type of things again in further dealings.

Some countries in this world are still fighting about things that happened hunderds of years ago!! Not very mature is it?
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Posted by ikez on 10-Mar-2003 10:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (bbrv):
Maybe,

that's all about marketing heh, u can't resist tstststs.

ikez
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 10-Mar-2003 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> It is very telling however that MorphOS supporters are so desperate for any
> sign of bad news relating to OS 4 and the A1.

I think it's very telling that bad news relating to OS4 and the A1 just keeps popping up all the time, over and over again. Broken promises, missed launches, no products, etc. And you allways pretend that there are no problems whatsoever and 'shoots at the messanger' of the "news" instead.

Not that we know anything about how (or rather IF) this Terrasoft announcement has something to do with the A1 ...
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 10-Mar-2003 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Since you are here anyway, how about telling us some GOOD news to equal things out?
:-)
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Posted by Don Cox on 10-Mar-2003 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Remco Komduur):
"There are also a pretty amount of high schooled people that didn't reach a maturity level.

Usually people act with such insanity because they can't cope with not being right or not being important enough or can't cope with the fact that there are people as good as them."

I have seen distinguished scientists in their forties or fifties behaving like spoiled kids.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 10-Mar-2003 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (bbrv):
Thanks Bill.

Sounds like a good plan.

See you in September for the release of the Pegasos 2.
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Posted by SlimJim on 10-Mar-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (bbrv):
> From this day forward you are on your own. Do your best. We will not have
> anything to say about you, your Company, or your project. You stick to your work
> and we will stick to ours.

Since neither of you seem to be able to control your tempers (in the forums that
is, I don't know how you handle yourselves in the venues where business
relations are *meant* to be handled) and cannot behave professionally when it
comes to matters of your competitor, this approach is probably wise to be
adopted by both sides.

It's pathetic and sad. But very human, unfortunately.
.
SlimJim
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Posted by catohagen on 10-Mar-2003 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (bbrv):
hi bill,

>You will need all the help you can get now.

you sound like you know either Hyperion/OS4/Eyetech will get some harder times ahead...something happened ? anything you like to share with us ?
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Posted by DaveP on 10-Mar-2003 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (catohagen):
There are a lot of people prepared to give them all the help they need.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Mar-2003 10:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
You still can't help yourself can you? ;)
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Posted by SlimJim on 10-Mar-2003 10:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (catohagen):
> you sound like you know either Hyperion/OS4/Eyetech will get some harder times
> ahead...something happened ? anything you like to share with us ?

Hope not, since he just pledged *not* to comment on his competitor... ;-)
.
SlimJim
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 10-Mar-2003 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Anonymous):
What do you expect? A lawyer always wants to get in the last word.

I'm relieved though that will Bill's new policy I won't see any more e-mails popping up in my mailbox from people whom he told that OS 4 never will see the light of day.

That will be a time-saver.
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Posted by bbrv on 10-Mar-2003 10:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Just in case you missed our discussion about this on www.amiga.org...

Subject : Amiga.org Welcomes Genesi as an advertising sponsor

Posted : 2003/3/9 10:20

Dear Friends, the "Kommunity" reference has more to do with a mentality to blindly follow a direction without question. Within a true "Community" of people *of course* there are differences. There *can* be different hardware, there can be different operating systems, and there should be
different opinions about many things. Let us not forget we are human, computers are not. If we can share our differences intelligently with mutual respect for the dignity of others all these threads will improve in their usefulness.

We think there is far to much unnecessary "flaming" on all the sites. We have been a part of it. We responded at the level of the opposition. We have never been intimidated by any of it and we simply will not allow falsehoods and malicious personal attacks to remain unanswered. What will
stand in truth and fact in the future will be the action and the results developed by all involved. If your looking for "measure" we are ready for judgment. We can discuss any thing, because we genuinely seek to be the best we can at all we do. Tell us what you think, explain why and most of all put it in a thoughtful context. In other words, if we know who you are and what your experience and background is, it will be easier for us to appreciate your ideas. We are extremely grateful for the email exchanges we have with many of you (though sometimes we cannot answer as fast as we would like!).

If your looking for a fight and you are bent on insults and personal attacks, just take it somewhere else. We do not have time for this any more.

The "thread wars" are over. We need to work. Our future is on the road ahead. We can see where we are going and know how to get there.

Sincerely,

Raquel and Bill :-)
Genesi
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 10-Mar-2003 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> I won't see any more e-mails popping up in my mailbox from people whom he
> told that OS 4 never will see the light of day.

Well then, will it? And on which hardware?
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Posted by DaveP on 10-Mar-2003 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (takemehomegrandma):
I am given to understand that some betatesters work with the curtains open
and there is a broad range of Amiga hardware in use. So I guess yes, already has and
"Amiga hardware" is the answer to both your questions.

But the answer is all there on the OS4 site. Obviously the answer is yes, the
list of hardware is up there.
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Posted by AdmV on 10-Mar-2003 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (bbrv):
Do I sense a change of direction here? Could we be on the verge of at least public politeness apprearing between the two groups.

My, a breath of fresh air!

AdmV
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Posted by Remco Komduur on 10-Mar-2003 11:10 GMT
If you have seen the past couple of messages then I will tell you this!!!

Don't believe it anymore is there are remarks here from someone who claims to be a well known person!!!

If he sounds unreasonible then it's probably a spoofer!!

Could you put some kind of warning on the front of ANN Christian. That comments with a well known name can not be thrusted because of the immaturity of some people that are spoofing!!
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Posted by Bladerunner on 10-Mar-2003 11:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
come on Ben! I have mails here from one of your developers, (last year mail exchange) I which i was told that the Pegasos is much more expensive than the Aone G3 SE (untrue) and that only 20 or so dev boards will be sold. Not to talking about the legal crap about MOS itself (so where is the court debating the copyright violation eh? )

so it`ll be better not throwing this stupid argument into, `cause Hyperion is not even better with such misinformations.
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 10-Mar-2003 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Remco Komduur):
I'd rather not have such a warning, since that's very bad publicity. But either way, I should really get around to writing the "login/trusted persons" code. While it might not eliminate all the fighting and insulting, it might at least highlight the signal inbetween all the noise.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 10-Mar-2003 11:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Because I don't have access to individual comments.
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Posted by reflect on 10-Mar-2003 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Christian Kemp):
I have suggestion :

for those that only wants to see comments made by those 'trusted' people, could we perhaps have a tickbox to rule out those who are anonymous/not trusted?
This suggestions depends alot on if you will let everyone login, or just CEO's and certain developers, ofcourse.

regards
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Posted by bbrv on 10-Mar-2003 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (reflect):
There is another way -- just be yourself and a use a valid email address that all can use to respond to directly.

:-)

R&B
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 10-Mar-2003 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (reflect):
I still haven't made up my mind on that. There could possibly be several levels of trusted users, from ANN moderators, to important figures, to regular visitors who provide me with some form of authentication.

Another idea I've had is to set up a PayPal account, request for a small donation, and have the (probably few) who contribute marked as ANN supporters. This would also solve the authentification problem, since a simple email system does not seem to work too well for other sites.

I now have a very rudimentary "trusted users" code running on my local Apache installation, and could go live with it fairly soon for further testing.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 10-Mar-2003 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Christian Kemp):
> I should really get around to writing the "login/trusted persons" code.

That would be a good idea, IMO.
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