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[News] New release of AmigaOne firmware availableANN.lu
Posted on 10-Mar-2003 12:32 GMT by Christian Kemp (Edited on 2003-03-10 13:33:04 GMT by Christian Kemp)63 comments
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Amoon writes: Hyperion has announced that it has completed an extensive rework of the AmigaOne firmware adding substantial functionality and flexibility for end-users, developers and technicians. Read more for the entire press release and some interesting details. Read more @ AmigaWorld.
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Posted by Niclas Aronsson on 10-Mar-2003 11:44 GMT
Great News!!!!
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Posted by Atheist2 on 10-Mar-2003 12:14 GMT
They say they have a SCSI card usable, I hope they make a RAID driver as well. :))

AmigaOne! Not an illusion!
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Posted by SlimJim on 10-Mar-2003 12:19 GMT
Yes, this sounds very good.
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SlimJim
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Posted by Ketzer on 10-Mar-2003 12:59 GMT
Cheers :-)
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Posted by Graham on 10-Mar-2003 13:05 GMT
Good news... screenshots of the new GUI would be nice to see though. A snippet for us poor, deprived, Amigans and wanna-be Amigans.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Mar-2003 13:27 GMT
I'm not so sure if this is good news. In fact, I find it rather worrying that in 03/2003, news from AOS4 still hasn't left the domain of the BIOS. To me, such news, as good as it may be in its context, adds three questions marks to the (non-disclosed) overall project state. I'd much rather see them get exited about the first boot on an AOS4 into a graphical PPC-native user interface.
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Posted by Atheist2 on 10-Mar-2003 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
When that happens, even the programmers will be surprised at the speed and responsiveness of the system :)))))

Amiga One RULEZZZ!!!
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Posted by EmGee on 10-Mar-2003 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
<sigh> Even with this good news, ppl seem to whine <sigh>.
Haven't you read before. Hyperion cannot devote 100% of their time to AOS 4.0, else they cannot afford to develope AOS 4.0 at all !!! They need to do contract work for Mac & Linux else, there's no money to pay the developers.
Be patient!!
Or do you have a million bucks to spare, or two ? ;)
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Posted by Dan Andersson on 10-Mar-2003 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (EmGee):
Dunno if it's been said here on ANN before but an interesting comment was made on moobynny awhile ago.

"
It's called Spoiling. It only works on the credulous, but unfortunately the computer industry's customers in general and Amigans particularly are rather prone to be credulous about technology.

In Spoiling the objective is to prevent customers from choosing a competitor product by presenting the illusion that you will have something even better to offer them soon. You make announcements at regular intervals. In each subsequent announcement there should be an apology (for not delivering earlier) a hint of improvement (more features, cheaper, faster) and a slightly delayed schedule.

Spoiling is related to FUD, in that the objective is to retain the status quo by paralysing rational thought. You want victims to put off purchase decisions indefinitely, because they're worried that they'll do the wrong thing. In fact spoling can even help sales for a poor product because some people, after waiting years for a product, will buy it even if told by a reliable source that it's no good -- they don't want to accept that their time was wasted.

Microsoft engaged in heavy spoiling for Windows 1.0 (needed to prevent developers from buying Macs and giving Apple a head start) and for W2K (to prevent companies from moving their File & Print to Novell or Linux)"

Dan Andersson
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Posted by Remco Komduur on 10-Mar-2003 13:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (EmGee):
That's indeed what people are overlooking here in most cases!!

Bills have to be paid and so do the programmers. So sometimes, Hyperion as to do other work just to be able to continue with this venture.

But it's so much easier ignoring that fact and demand unrealistic expectations.

Also note that development has not been started all that long ago and that it's not a straight port. New stuff has been added.
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Posted by Ketzer on 10-Mar-2003 13:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Dan Andersson):
Lets see ...

no news -> "they are dead, Jim"
bad news -> "see, i told you they are dead!"
good news -> "hah! they're only spreading fud"
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Posted by Graham on 10-Mar-2003 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
Hyperion are paid by MAI to develop the Firmware - doing them is bringing in real money into Hyperion.

Also, this is a hardware thing, not an OS thing. This is to ensure that the AmigaOne XE's work fully and correctly, and hence the Teron motherboards, and other MAI licensees that need a Firmware.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Mar-2003 14:17 GMT
VERY GOOD NEWS. Thanks for all hard work Hyperion!
....So now I guess it is only 7 issues left (and most of them are minor)!?
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Posted by itix on 10-Mar-2003 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Dan Andersson):
> It's called Spoiling. It only works on the credulous, but unfortunately the > computer industry's customers in general and Amigans particularly are rather > prone to be credulous about technology.

Nah. Forget that crap. Spoiling or not, people are not THAT stupid. Well, some are but doesnt matter anyway.
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Posted by Dan Andersson on 10-Mar-2003 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (itix):
So what is this? second time Hyperion finished the firmware?

Will we have another finished firmware in 5-6 months?

Dan Andersson
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 10-Mar-2003 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Dan Andersson):
Developing firmware is work in progress.

With the arrival of new CPU modules, new revisions will be necessary.

Same if the Articia S is replaced by the Articia P etc.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Mar-2003 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Dan Andersson):
Sounds like Buck's statemens, although instead of claiming to add funcionality to his products he throws mud at the A1/OS4 products so that peoople delay the purchase
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Mar-2003 14:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Dan Andersson):
have you ever purchased a motherboard? Have you ever heard of firmware upgrades? Do you ever upgrade the bios of your motherboard? If no is the answer to any of those questions it's time you learn about computers
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Posted by Remco Komduur on 10-Mar-2003 14:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Indeed!!

I have a KT133A based board from MSI and these received DIMM bank interleaving very late into the production run.
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Posted by Ferry on 10-Mar-2003 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Dan Andersson):
@Dan

I think this kind of FUD called 'spoiling' can be applied to ANY company. The only way to differentiate between 'spoiling' and proper advertisement is the credibility of the company that makes the announcement, and the reliability of previous announcements.

As Lincoln said "You can fool all the people some time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.” Anyway, he didn't know the Amiga market... ;-)
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Posted by MrZammler on 10-Mar-2003 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ferry):
Hmm, so that's where Bob Dylan got it from...
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Posted by Jerry Lewis on 10-Mar-2003 15:16 GMT
More delays and you people are happy??????????
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Posted by Dan Andersson on 10-Mar-2003 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
The answer is yes to all your questions. However, it took six months to do a bios?

My take on this is that hyperion seems hardly able to keep up with even the slow moving PPC market. I guess many people would rather see Mpc7457/55 support?

Dan Andersson
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Posted by Graham on 10-Mar-2003 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Dan Andersson):
Since when did it do 6 months to do the BIOS?

Hyperion did the BIOS for the original AmigaOne G3SE last year. This was done for MAI, who paid for it.

Then they upgraded it for the G4 later on. I imagine that MAI also paid for this to be done.

I expect that later this year, MAI will pay Hyperion to upgrade it for the Artica P chipset.
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Posted by Remco Komduur on 10-Mar-2003 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Graham):
I agree!!

I don't even believe that this BIOS is a daytime job either. They have more things to do then just this BIOS.
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Posted by Kjetil on 10-Mar-2003 16:07 GMT
"As Lincoln said "You can fool all the people some time,
and some of the people all the time, but you cannot
fool all the people all the time.?
Anyway, he didn't know the Amiga market... ;-)"

A smart man knows that, if he and his is going to be popular then
he has to be true to the once he is dealing with,

It makes me wonder what George W. Brush is saying to that?
he probably say "FUD FUD FUD", ignorant as he is,
whit all that "if your not whit os your against os" crap.

If you take down on AInc/OS4 you are an MOS lover.
George W. Bush with prefect as an boss for AInc.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Mar-2003 16:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Jerry Lewis):
More delays? "It's been updated" doesn't mean "we will update it"
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Posted by alan buxey on 10-Mar-2003 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Graham):
..huh?? They arent just doing the BIOS.

the number of people who think that they're working in some serial
method...ie code the BIOS...now code the OS...makes me cringe
with worry about intelligence around here!

The OS is being worked on in parallel. lots of code is being converted from strange (and only just working - sometimes WAY OFF from the documented features)
aseembler into portable and GCC compilable C. porting isnt too long...its
the strange bugs that are uncovered when the new stuff is compiled (anyone
whos used to this stage will know) that takes the most time.

If things had been sorted out sooner (licences etc) then we'd have easily been running OS 4.x for christmas last year. with all the other distractions and problems its incredible that things are still fairly on track and the whole thing is running on an even keel!

alan
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Posted by Some Farker on 10-Mar-2003 17:22 GMT
Have fun with your overpriced linux boxes they're *just now* tweaking the BIOS on, kids!

(Lest someone throw me in to the shallow end of the gene pool with the Morph-os/pegasus hatemongers, I wouldn't touch that...THING...with a ten meter logic probe either.)
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Posted by MIKE on 10-Mar-2003 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Graham):
Check ppcboot.sourceforge.net for info on ppcboot (now u-boot), to see what functionally they've added to it, and Hyperion has included in the firmware update.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Mar-2003 17:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (alan buxey):
> the number of people who think that they're working in some serial method...ie code the BIOS...now code the OS...makes me cringe with worry about intelligence around here!

What makes me cringe (with disgust) is people who intentionally turn valid comments upside down to suit their purposes. Nobody here claimed that they use a "serial" development model, you just pulled that out of your head.

However, it was rightfully pointed out that for many months now solid progress reports for the AOS4 project are outstanding. Instead, solid progress reports are provided for side issues, such as firmware or a boot screen or configurability of Intuition elements. In the best case, this is inept communication on part of the AOS4 development team (inept because it projects the image of very limited progress in narrowly defined areas). In the worst case, it means that they can't afford to report the overall progress - what percentage of the OS is now PPC-native and under final testing - because getting the truth out would be damaging to their interests. It appears as if Hyperion is between a rock and a hard place:

1. they face Amiga users demanding progress reports and have Eyetech in their back with conflicting commercial interests: selling boards. It's not good for selling boards to say "AOS4 is ready in four months, knock on wood": No sane person would buy another board during the next four month.

2. they face stiff competition from Genesi who seem to have a a big war chest AND a working 100% PPC-native OS, which, if I may say, is very good (I might pay that same compliment to AOS4, when ready, I'm not fanatically pro-Morphos).
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Posted by rockape on 10-Mar-2003 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Hi,

have you ever purchased a motherboard?

No.


Have you ever heard of firmware upgrades?

No.


Do you ever upgrade the bios of your motherboard?

No, my computers dont have a Bios.


If no is the answer to any of those questions it's time you learn about computers

Why ? I run Amiga :)


Regards Michael

aka rockape

Per Ardua
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 10-Mar-2003 18:30 GMT
I would have thought that Kickstart would be a more sensible name for the firmware of an Amiga-branded computer. It sounds better than PPCboot or U-boot, too (though U-boot is a bit clever =).
OTOH, I suppose that the Kickstart name might be kept for the dongle chip. ;-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Mar-2003 18:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Iggy Drougge):
> though U-boot is a bit clever =)

Most sunk though :-)
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Posted by alan buxey on 10-Mar-2003 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (rockape):
I too am an Amiga owner...however

1) I've bought a motherboard (not only as part of an A500, A1200) but also
a seperate board with rev 2B fixes

2) I've updated firmware on my Amiga. I guess you've not invested in new Amiga hardware for quite some time - otherwise you would have too - eg PowerUP cards

3) I've also updated the BIOS. but not with some free upgrade tool - i had to go out and buy OS 3.1 ROMS . not cheap either

Alan - REAL Amiga owner ;-)
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Posted by hammer on 10-Mar-2003 20:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Dan Andersson):
>So what is this? second time Hyperion finished the firmware?
>Will we have another finished firmware in 5-6 months?
>Dan Andersson

Note that even the mainstream ASUS and MSI X86 motherboard manufactures has to continually develop and improve their BIOSes.

For example; ASUS nForce 2’s release BIOS started from 1001C, 1001D ... 1001G to the latest release of 1002.
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Posted by hammer on 10-Mar-2003 21:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (rockape):
>>Have you ever heard of firmware upgrades?
>No.

If you own an Amiga 3000, have you upgraded your Amiga's custom/buster chips and Kickstart ROM?
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Posted by Nate Downes on 10-Mar-2003 21:10 GMT
I am just curious how a firmware update can fix a hardware problem, in this case the lack of a RAM buffer in the northbridge thereby requiring buffered RAM in order to work properly.
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Posted by koan on 10-Mar-2003 21:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Graham):
> screenshots of the new GUI would be nice to see though.

It has been said several times by AInc and Hyperion that it
will be very similar to Workbench+VisualPrefs. Most Amigans
know what that looks like so there is no rush to produce
screenshots. I just want to know when it will be available.

koan
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Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 10-Mar-2003 21:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (koan):
I think he meant screenshots of the Firmware!, will it look lie a normal PC bios, or have a graphical inteface similar to "Early startup menu".

I hope for the later :-)
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Posted by rockape on 10-Mar-2003 21:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (hammer):
Hi,

Nope, never owned an Amiga 3000, sadly :(

Regards rockape

Per Ardua
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Posted by ccccccccccccc on 10-Mar-2003 22:13 GMT
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Posted by Jerry Lewis on 10-Mar-2003 22:13 GMT
A very expensive Linux box.
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Posted by Nate Downes on 10-Mar-2003 23:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Lasse Bodilsen):
Give me a few minutes, I'll have screenshots up... and I don't have a line of code or binaries from Hyperion.

Please give credit where it due, as PPCBoot was produced by hard working geeks that don't have a clue who Hyperion is.

http://ppcboot.sf.net
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 11-Mar-2003 00:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Nate Downes):
Who said Hyperion and the people working on PPCBoot/U-Boot for the AmigaOne aren't a bunch of hard working geeks? BTW, there is a lot of stuff added to UBoot that is unique to the AmigaOne, but noone will argue the benefits of open source code....bugs and all.
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Posted by coldfire on 11-Mar-2003 00:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Ketzer):
no news -> "they are dead, Jim"
bad news -> "see, i told you they are dead!"
good news -> "hah! they're only spreading fud"


What they should do is just shut up and work. Let ppl rant and rave...ignore it and concentrate on producing the product. No matter what they say it will just cause controversy...words are a waste of time we need ACTION!
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In reply to Comment 44 (Nate Downes):
Message removed by Teemu I. Yliselä for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: impersonation
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Posted by Nate Downes on 11-Mar-2003 00:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Well, it's the best mechanism to get people to look at the projects homepage, since too many of the fans here have forgotten that your company is just a component in a larger org, in this case.

Been looking at the patched that the Frieden's have submitted in the code (3-months old now) and have to say very good work. Smart design indeed.
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 11-Mar-2003 06:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Nate Downes):
Well, the "graphical menu" in this case has the words "by hyperion" stamped all over it, so I _really_ doubt you would be ANY wiser looking at the ppcboot project list for screenshots of it.

And do note that we're talking a la PC BIOS graphics (at least on my version which I've been running since January), not Amiga graphics. Still, it's a SERIOUS improvement over the standard ppcboot text interface. And I feel it deserves to be called a GUI even if the building blocks is rather large (no pixel-based but char-based) and the input method is only arrow keys (not mouse). It's not text-in-text-out like it used to be, and that should be enough for now :-)

It makes everything a lot easier to work with. Thank you, Hyperion :-)
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Posted by Don Cox on 11-Mar-2003 07:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Iggy Drougge):
"I would have thought that Kickstart would be a more sensible name for the firmware of an Amiga-branded computer. It sounds better than PPCboot or U-boot, too (though U-boot is a bit clever =)."

What was in the Kickstart ROM in real Amigas is now divided into two parts: the boot code is OS-neutral and mostly concerned with direct hardware control, while other code that is AmigaOS specific will be with the rest of the OS and will not run when you boot into Linux (or other OSes in the future).
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