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Posted on 10-Mar-2003 21:04 GMT by Christian Kemp52 comments
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This is just a friendly reminder to all regulars of the comments section that profanity, personal insults and postings that otherwise violate ANN's guidelines can and will be deleted. Today, I implemented code to allow Christope and Teemu to moderate comments, which should ensure stricter enforcement of the posting guidelines and eliminate some of the noise.

I'm also working on a "trusted user" system, that would allow regular visitors to authenticate with me and have their name or nickname reserved. This will be optional. Since this is still work-in-prgress, comments on this subject are most welcome - especially on how the authentication could work.

Comment moderation : Comment 1 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by dammy (207.87.241.184) on 10-Mar-2003 20:07 GMT
Is there a projected date when the account system will be ready for us to use?

Dammy
Comment moderation : Comment 2 of 52ANN.lu
Message removed by Teemu I. Yliselä for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: test
Comment moderation : Comment 3 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä (62.142.76.177) on 10-Mar-2003 20:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
Hey, it's working! :)
Comment moderation : Comment 4 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] (212.69.226.40) on 10-Mar-2003 20:19 GMT
To be right honest, isn't going to be easier and more reliable to use some existing system ? there must be loads of them, surely
Comment moderation : Comment 5 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] (212.69.226.40) on 10-Mar-2003 20:20 GMT
Oh, and can you please fix the bit where all i get is the quicklinks after posting (and the quicklinks dont work) :)
Comment moderation : Comment 6 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Jerry Lewis (64.241.17.34) on 10-Mar-2003 20:23 GMT
TEST
Comment moderation : Comment 7 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp (Registered user) on 10-Mar-2003 20:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (dammy):
It's all fairly rudimentary right now, and it depends on which feature set I actually implement. The basic "trusted user" thing could open fairly soon (and for my user name is working already, if you look closely at the location the IP address is normally displayed). What's harder to implement is a reliable way to authenticate users. I don't really trust email, since for a lot of people I have no way of verifying that the email address used is indeed their real address. I've been toying with the idea of accepting small PayPal contributions, or showing up at Amiga fairs and attributing user names and passwords to anyone who shows interest a valid ID... but that's all fairly hypothetical, and doesn't seem to be an optimal solution.
Comment moderation : Comment 8 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa (68.155.69.98) on 10-Mar-2003 20:25 GMT
Good idea!
Comment moderation : Comment 9 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp (Registered user) on 10-Mar-2003 20:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Christian Kemp):
Actually, it wasn't working correctly when I posted the comment, but should work now.
Comment moderation : Comment 10 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Severin (62.64.161.116) on 10-Mar-2003 20:38 GMT
What about logging the commenter's ISP as other sites (like EAB) do?
and warn them that persistant abusers will have their isp informed.
Some ISP's will close accounts if they get many complaints about a user.
Comment moderation : Comment 11 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS (62.165.186.152) on 10-Mar-2003 20:41 GMT
"Trusted User" .. damn it.. but I trust NO-ONE these days :)
Comment moderation : Comment 12 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp (Registered user) on 10-Mar-2003 20:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Severin):
I've always logged IPs. Didn't do a lot of good.

Most ISPs don't care, and there's so many open proxies around that people can use to hide their true location...
Comment moderation : Comment 13 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp (Registered user) on 10-Mar-2003 20:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 ([JC]):
Nah, I like re-inventing the wheel. :)

But seriously, all the available systems have their own weaknesses, and none would integrate well with how ANN has been running for quite a few years now. At least when I'm designing my own system, I'm learning some new Perl and creating something new; which is always a good thing.
Comment moderation : Comment 14 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Jerry Lewis (64.241.17.34) on 10-Mar-2003 21:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Christian Kemp):
Nothing wrong with open proxies if there used right, i do not want to leave traces around websites, especially exposed to the public like this website where people have a habit of port scanning and tcp attacks and spoofing.
Comment moderation : Comment 15 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by koan (212.126.152.137) on 10-Mar-2003 21:22 GMT
When I add a comment, I want to tick the "save name and email
address in a cookie" but AWEB 3.4APL won't let me do it.

I think the trusted user idea is a good one.

I like the fact we don't have to log in to post on ANN.
I don't understand why so many people read ANN but get annoyed
at *anonymous* trolls! Crazy!

koan

koan
Comment moderation : Comment 16 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by koan (212.126.152.137) on 10-Mar-2003 21:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (koan):
Having said that, my information was stored in a cookie,
even though the checkbox didn't look ticked.

koan
Comment moderation : Comment 17 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen (213.237.39.227) on 10-Mar-2003 21:40 GMT
I seems like a nice feature, and i'll surely support it anyhow it turns out.

btw: you can authendicate me by my IP, as it's always 213.237.39.227 when i'm posting from home. it's the external IP of my ADSL router.
Comment moderation : Comment 18 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma (213.226.83.90) on 10-Mar-2003 21:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Christian Kemp):
The way I see it, the "ann supporter user" approach could very well go hand in hand with the "trusted user" system. They could complement each other.

I would happily support ann with some euros! Ann has meant a lot to me in recent years, and I would definitely consider a contribution in order to "return" something!

:-)
Comment moderation : Comment 19 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma (213.226.83.90) on 10-Mar-2003 22:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Lasse Bodilsen):
As you would notice if you look back at my postings, my IPs are also the same. I use four IP addresses when I post, one is from a stationary PC at home, one is from my laptop at home, one is from a stationary PC at work, one is from my laptop at work.

Actually, I also have a fifth IP address (this one). This one is from my Pegasos at home!
:-)

(OT: And yes, I have a broadband connection at home. I have a 100 Megabit connection through an optical fibre cable right into my living room! :-) But that doesnt mean I have a 100 Mbit/s connection towards the Internet, 100Mbit/s is what I get within my "part of the city", 10 Mbit/s is what I get in between the different "city parts", and the city network is then connected to the Internet at a speed I dont know much about. But its fast!)
:-)
Comment moderation : Comment 20 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma (213.226.83.90) on 10-Mar-2003 22:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Christian Kemp):
BTW, would you please consider to hide the IP addresses of the "trusted" users if you go for some kind of log-in approach? Showing IP addresses is BAD, IMO. And this would not be necessary if the poster is "trusted", right?
Comment moderation : Comment 21 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Johnny Ray (168.143.123.87) on 10-Mar-2003 23:47 GMT
Can you bring back my comments?
Comment moderation : Comment 22 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous (217.187.194.125) on 11-Mar-2003 01:22 GMT
Christian, could you please fix the flat view after posting? It doesn't work anddidn't for about a year, I think.
Comment moderation : Comment 23 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] (212.69.226.40) on 11-Mar-2003 02:06 GMT
So, how do you sign up to become a trusted user ? I might as well get one just in case some morons decide to start spoofing e.p.i.c posts as me
Comment moderation : Comment 24 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by strobe (12.225.81.107) on 11-Mar-2003 03:26 GMT
Yes, do tell how do we use this tantilizing Password field (although I might prefer cookies)
Comment moderation : Comment 25 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox (62.254.64.5) on 11-Mar-2003 07:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (takemehomegrandma):
"BTW, would you please consider to hide the IP addresses of the "trusted" users if you go for some kind of log-in approach? Showing IP addresses is BAD, IMO. And this would not be necessary if the poster is "trusted", right?"

I don't see why it is bad, and it allows a reader to check the genuine IP against one on what might be a spoof.
Comment moderation : Comment 26 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma (213.226.83.90) on 11-Mar-2003 08:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Don Cox):
It's bad because of security and privacy issues. And I see no use for it when/if this trusted user function becomes a reality. You will know if the poster is Ben Hermans if he uses his secret password and thus get a "trusted user" text next to his name. Any "Ben Hermans" without that text will be fake. No need for IP's anymore!
Comment moderation : Comment 27 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by rez (80.14.185.183) on 11-Mar-2003 09:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Don Cox):
first showing the ip is a security flow.
second it doesn't tell ANYTHING when used alone. think proxies. think ppp and think dhcp.
third if you have to make a couple between nick/IP, you will have to let the user OPT OUT from the database, because it's legal.
Logging IP is time loosing.
Logging IP and UserAgent and providing a cookie is far more better, but it doesn't prevent abuses.
Trusted ? what is the meaning of this word ? Does this mean that you'll have to co-opt the accounts ? Does it means some karma-moderation ?
Comment moderation : Comment 28 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by priest (192.100.124.218) on 11-Mar-2003 12:44 GMT
Trusted user system sounds good...
Comment moderation : Comment 29 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey (158.125.1.22) on 11-Mar-2003 12:55 GMT
..I'd still prefer the 'hide anonymous posts' button to be worked on first
Comment moderation : Comment 30 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by itix (130.234.4.90) on 11-Mar-2003 13:00 GMT
I think words "trusted user" are not good there... Some newbies might think you can trust what they are saying :) ANN user or sth could be much better.
Comment moderation : Comment 31 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma (130.243.1.91) on 11-Mar-2003 13:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (itix):
How about: Authenticated users? Known users? Identity confirmed?
Comment moderation : Comment 32 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil (213.225.65.74) on 11-Mar-2003 13:28 GMT
Add colours on comment s with trusted users.

Yes the “Trusted users” should be “verified user identity”

How about different levels of users,

Corporate users,
(Verified by calling the company, or by checking a telephone number, of some on that have called you form some where.).

Average users,
(Users that have just signed inn and protected a name, nothing more, whit no user identity verified).

Verified user.
(Common users that have verified there identity by paying for it)

and how about an activity rating.
Comment moderation : Comment 33 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Alfred Schwarz (141.50.43.176) on 11-Mar-2003 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Christian Kemp):
I think it would also be a good idea, if trusted users could hide their email adresses and only other trusted users could be able to see them, how about that?

Ciao, Alfred
Comment moderation : Comment 34 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg (166.68.134.174) on 11-Mar-2003 14:35 GMT
This is very entertaining. I think we can see why one popular design philosophy is "When we want your requirements, we'll give them to you."

Just remember, Christian - you can't please all the people all the time.

Have fun,

Gregg
Comment moderation : Comment 35 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma (130.243.1.91) on 11-Mar-2003 14:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (kjetil):
And "Ann supporter" (with some goldstars after their name) for those who support ann financially through paypal.
:-)
Comment moderation : Comment 36 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp (Registered user) on 11-Mar-2003 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (takemehomegrandma):
...and everyone who sends more than $50 gets a free t-shirt :)

(Just joking... or am I?)
Comment moderation : Comment 37 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by A user (200.38.247.107) on 11-Mar-2003 15:00 GMT
Senor Kemp

You force people to use proxy servers by the way your site shows ip addresses of users which is not a good idea especially people like myself who is on a perm connection which never ever changes IP address.

On another side though i am totally against people attacking you or members of this site hiding behind proxy servers.
Comment moderation : Comment 38 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma (130.243.1.91) on 11-Mar-2003 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Christian Kemp):
Wow, you are a trusted user! :-)

I would happily support ann with €/$50. And a T-shirt would be a nice bonus. ;-)

This has been a subject over at amiga.org too. But personally, I like mugs better!
:-)
Comment moderation : Comment 39 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt (194.236.117.116) on 11-Mar-2003 15:31 GMT
Sounds nice, that the moderators can delete messages too.

This trusted user thing seems nice too, it's sad that the community have become such as it has become, that we need a "trusted user" system. What about a registration system? Wouldn't that lessen your work a bit? With an autodelete if a user hasn't been here for some months?
Comment moderation : Comment 40 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime (208.161.156.2) on 11-Mar-2003 17:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Trizt):
@trizzT,

I'm sorry trizzT, but this line of thinking gets old and no one ever seems to back it up with facts...

what 'we've become'...the 'sad state of affairs'..., such comments that are made sometimes, are just not true. This isn't a change, things are not worse. This is how things have always been, I've been on the internet since before the WWW,...well before the internet we had the online services... since the days of The Source and Compuserve, and BITNET.....

This is how it has always been, and believe me, censorship has been tried over and over again as well.

I've never seen a censored site, that a)censored so well no one's itty bitty little feelings never got hurt.....and b) that didn't create such a scandal around the activities of the censor that the content was still central. In otherwords, AmigaWorld.Net will not be about the amiga soon, but how effective the censors are...

and guess what, they won't learn any kind of lesson...it will fail, but they will come away believing...BUT IT WOULD HAVE WORKED...IT ALMOST WORKED...BUT (USERTHIS or USERTHAT) just came along and messed it all up...(a user clever enough to have strong opinions without ever flaming).

What you find out, quickly, is people can get upset VERY upset, without a person ever doing anything that falls into the definition of 'flaming'....(whatever definition they choose...believe me, it doesn't matter, 1000's of definitions have beent tested)

Welcome to soap opera ville. There will be a short honeymoon period, and then AmigaWorld.Net will be exactly like all the other sites...i.e. despite everything they are an open site, and just like Amiga.org was eventually not so pro-amiga...soon morphos people will have their influence at the new site, and they will not be so pro-amiga, OR, they will be a festering hive of controversy over bouncing people 'unfairly'....and they will turn on themselves, wait....

No one ever believes me in foresight...WAIT...

you'll see, everyone will see.

CKEMP, hold firm to 'OPEN' and 'FREE'...yes, people can complain about the
flamers...but don't ever think that there is a complaint free solution.

AmigaWorld.NET will be besieged in a sea of complaints...because they
are advertising themselves as 'flame free' and therefore a paradise for
the exact type of people who do most all of the complaining....
Comment moderation : Comment 41 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis (62.103.189.57) on 11-Mar-2003 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (MarkTime):
AmigaWorld is doomed to have A HELL of a lot of censorship... I can safely say
that for one reason... Mike Bouma...
Comment moderation : Comment 42 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox (62.254.64.5) on 11-Mar-2003 19:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (MarkTime):
I agree with most of "Mark Time"'s post, except that the moderation that Christian is doing now doesn't seem to produce many complaints. The posts that get removed are so mindless that nobody could really complain.

So it IMO possible to have moderation that works - but only if the moderator is prepared to put in a lot of time.
Comment moderation : Comment 43 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by INSULT!! (80.132.95.199) on 11-Mar-2003 20:19 GMT
*insult* *insult* *insult* *insult*
Comment moderation : Comment 44 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime (208.161.156.2) on 11-Mar-2003 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Don Cox):
thanks, and actually I agree.

Though I could live with NO moderation, I have found that Christian's, and even
Wayne's moderation has always been done in taste...not over done.

besides, whatever is my perfect idea of a site, I'll take the best available any day....and I vote with my participation.
Comment moderation : Comment 45 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (213.226.83.93) on 11-Mar-2003 21:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (MarkTime):
Less is more ;-)
Comment moderation : Comment 46 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (212.149.48.44) on 12-Mar-2003 08:22 GMT
1) If you think that having your IP in the open like here on ANN jeopardizes your system security, you should stop using the internet *NOW*. There's no security in obscurity. Get a decent firewall and learn to configure it.

2) To the "no censorship" people: be aware that there are countries where the maintainer of a website can be held liable for the stuff that's posted to the website by others, if he doesn't delete stuff considered illegal in that country. I don't like that either, but I reserve the right to delete stuff from my websites without further notice, too.

3) Regarding authorization - there are people in the world that do not have a credit card, PayPal account etc. (me, for example.)
Comment moderation : Comment 47 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil (213.225.65.74) on 12-Mar-2003 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Solar):
3)

So what type of identification do you have, do you have an telephone, then there is open free telephone registers on the net can used to verify veer you live and by simply calling you to check if the right one answers the you are an verified user, the problem with this system is that it costs time and money to check, or if CK have an Mobile you can call it an your number will be displayed there, CK can then check how you are, by checking your telephone number,
The telephone number can by service number so CK gets pay fore the work directly.
Comment moderation : Comment 48 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt (194.236.117.116) on 12-Mar-2003 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (MarkTime):
> what 'we've become'...the 'sad state of affairs'..., such comments that are
> made sometimes, are just not true. This isn't a change, things are not
> worse. This is how things have always been, I've been on the internet since
> before the WWW,...well before the internet we had the online services...
> since the days of The Source and Compuserve, and BITNET.....

I can say that things was better before on the net, maybe it's have something to do with the fact that there are a lot more people around nowdays. I can still remeber those days when I got my e-mail address (then one you can still reach me with), I didn't get SPAM, at least not the first couple of years, and yes, I was active and my e-mail was used. Nowdays I get a lot of spam, so much that I have to filter quite a lot or else I do not have a chance to read mail written to me.

In the same way, the number of flames and fakes has increased here at ANN. Be aware that I'm not saying that this kind of things didn't happen "before", but it's increased. If it had been on a low level, I don't think Christian would have spent time on this "trused user" system.

As I understod Christians intention with the "truested user" was to prevent others to claim to be someone else. As ANN is today and I guess it will be in the future too, it will be free speech as long as you follow nettiquet.
Comment moderation : Comment 49 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin (205.188.208.168) on 12-Mar-2003 21:07 GMT
Sounds good - I'll sign up when it's ready.
Comment moderation : Comment 50 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes (172.147.18.237) on 14-Mar-2003 03:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (takemehomegrandma):
Thank you thank you!
Someone else that prefers mugs!
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