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Posted on 12-Mar-2003 05:59 GMT by Christian Kemp (Edited on 2003-03-12 08:46:13 GMT by Christian Kemp)146 comments
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An anonymous reader links to this message by Alan Redhouse talking about Terrasoft, a possible 1.3Ghz CPU module, and XE delivery dates.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 1 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 12-Mar-2003 06:18 GMT
I wish I could do a better summary, but of course the filtering software they are using here doesn't even let me access Yahoo groups.

Also notice the cheap shots at ANN... twice...
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 2 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Mar-2003 06:26 GMT
I can't see anything on that link that backs up this news story.

Contains an explanation of Mai

Terrasoft points:
#1 TerraSoft are really a very small company.
#2 TerraSoft did not contribute to porting YDL
#3 TerraSoft messed up their TeronPX/G4 pricing calculations.
#4 No one has to pay a license fee to TerraSoft
#5 TerraSoft has to apply to us to be a dealer.

ANN points:
#1 ...misconceptions that have been relentlessly been put about by certain individuals on ann and elsewhere...
#2 The ann orcs will make something sinister of this...

Just another hysterical ANN story. He makes no cheap shots at ANN, he makes
valid references to some of the sad folk that can't restrain themselves from
spreading bullcrap on ANN and calls THEM orcs. Not ANN - THEM.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 3 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Mar-2003 06:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (DaveP):
But of course... if one company mentions another company in a communique
it is clearly libel.

There are three possibilities here:
#1 You do not understand what libel means.
#2 Your bias is showing through.
#3 There is some reference in there that I have not picked up.

Me? I think #2.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 4 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 12-Mar-2003 06:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (DaveP):
and the subject line was corrected.. ;-)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 5 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Mar-2003 06:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (DaveP):
OK you can delete my comments now :-D
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 6 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas W on 12-Mar-2003 06:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (DaveP):
I'm leaning towards 3.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 7 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Mar-2003 06:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Thomas W):
Feel free to point it out.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 8 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 12-Mar-2003 06:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (DaveP):
> I can't see anything on that link that backs up this news story.

Didn't I say in comment #1 that I was writing this from memory because I cannot access the link right now? I have now reworded most of it.

> Just another hysterical ANN story. He makes no cheap shots at ANN, he makes
> valid references to some of the sad folk that can't restrain themselves from
> spreading bullcrap on ANN and calls THEM orcs. Not ANN - THEM.

Of course he doesn't outright insult ANN. But it's just one more in a long line of attempts to discredit ANN by dismissing anything that is being said on here as a "misconception" and all posters as "orcs".
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 9 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 12-Mar-2003 06:41 GMT
@all

FYI: there's more in the Alan's post than just the Terrasoft info

(about 1.3Ghz CPU, XE deliveries in about two-three weeks, etc...)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 10 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 12-Mar-2003 06:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christian Kemp):
Haven't you heard? both Ann.lu and Amiga.org are rogue websites because you don't burn books. This message is a perfect example of the attitude that can't be expressed on state sponsored websites. After everything you've done for everyone you will have to endure public condemnation in spite of your efforts, because of a percieved opinion you have or your percieved failure to do missionary work.

I guess the fact that I for one, joined the club, and ordered an AmigaOne both from links on this very site and a bannerad here, arn't enough to hold you above harm in their witchhunt. What a crazy market.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 11 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Mar-2003 06:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Christian Kemp):
No. In comment #1 you said you wished you could post a better summary. You
didn't say "I disagree with the libel bit". However I would be happy to admit
I am wrong about your motives.

Secondly, I don't think it is an attempt to discredit ANN, the lame behaviour
over the last couple of days has been on ANN. Elsewhere we have had civil
debate and even on MooBunny the post was made and no followups ( better check
that nothing since then ) were made.

If he had meant to discredit ANN he would have said something about ANN and
not the commenters. Commenters != moderators != news story != site.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 12 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 12-Mar-2003 06:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (DaveP):
The subject line that you saw was the one used by the original poster, which (a) I forgot to edit, (b) I don't necessarily agree with and (c) have corrected in the meantime.

And all these accusations of bias are getting old... If my bias was really showing through, I'd probably be plugging some alternative x86 platform at every possible occasion. So what was your point, again?
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 13 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 12-Mar-2003 06:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (DaveP):
I guess it's just early morning and we all have not have had our coffee [or insert favourite other drink] yet. :)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 14 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Mar-2003 06:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (T_Bone):
T_Bone, with the utmost respect and I DO respect you, if the post had contained
snide references to "the other side" or "splitters" or "rebellion" or direct
references which would make me think that it was asserting some kind of
anti-journalism then I would say so and would do what I did on AmigaWorld.net
which was post complaints until a thread was deleted as being inflammatory
about MorphOS/Pegasos. With the help of Laire.

I cannot see anything on there to substantiate it. People were making up what
came into their heads on the other thread on here and we can't deny it. We can't
even say that all posters on here act with maturity given the comments recently.

I don't know why this has to be dragged down to the Amiga.org/AmigaWorld.net
flamewar yet again.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 15 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Mar-2003 06:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Christian Kemp):
My point was if you have a valid reason, apologies. But look at it from an
outsiders perspective - it said that it was both submitted and moderated
by you.

Posted on 12-Mar-2003 05:59 GMT by Christian Kemp (Edited on 12-Mar-2003 07:34 GMT by Christian Kemp)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 16 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Mar-2003 06:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Christian Kemp):
I was going to get my cup of tea when I spotted this story and checked it out ;-)

TTFN. Apologies Christian, no harm done I hope!
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 17 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 12-Mar-2003 06:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (DaveP):
Yes, this happens if I change a submitted news item so much that there's nothing left of the original text. Not much use saying "Posted by" and then having text written by me all over the place.

And the original news item just had the subject line you saw, and an URL. I first added some text, submitted, moved to "News", then read your coments, edited, then realized what the subject still said, edited again, read some more comments, edited again, and will hopefully be able to work on other stuff now. :)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 18 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by opi on 12-Mar-2003 06:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (priest):
> deliveries in about two-three

i've heard that before. "two more weeks?" (TM)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 19 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 12-Mar-2003 06:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (DaveP):
> I don't know why this has to be dragged down to the Amiga.org/AmigaWorld.net
> flamewar yet again.

Because I'm old and cranky, I missed most of the other flamewar, and there's a timezone difference of a half day, you're just waking up after closure from yesterdays flames while here, I'm still ranting before going to bed. :)

Ok, ok, you're right, I'll put a sock in it now :)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 20 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 12-Mar-2003 07:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (DaveP):
DaveP: Original message was posted by someone anonymous... And it had stupid title.

And to get back into real story. Is it news? Well... Delivering these boards would be news, these delays and excuses have become monthly items. Only good things I can see is that Eyetech is still around and that OS4 comes closer. With this ongoing trend, OS4 may well be released before AmigaOne-XE:s :)

Only intersting info was confirmation that they are biggest (=only) client to those Articia-S/Teron boards. Was not really big surprice, but it's interesting to see how that can be turned to positive.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 21 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 12-Mar-2003 07:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (DaveP):
DaveP wrote:

"There are three possibilities here:
#1 You do not understand what libel means.
#2 Your bias is showing through.
#3 There is some reference in there that I have not picked up."

There is a fourth possibility:

#4 What he's saying is true.

I'm not saying this is the true one, just another one.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 22 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Mar-2003 07:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Ferry):
:-D

I thought that came under #3 - Ive missed something but I guess you are right
#4 is "he interpreted it correctly, I didn't". Shows my arrogance that I never
considered it ;-)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 23 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 12-Mar-2003 07:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (DaveP):
I totally agree with you!!!

This was no cheap shot at ANN at all, Christian.

But what is posted in the forums by a number of users is misinformation and this means that at least the forum comments have become unreliable. Just look a few threads back where Ben Hermans was spoofed like hell.

And there are users who believe those comments allthough you can see in the writing style that it's not him.

When you have that system with special users, thrusted users and so up, people have at least a differentiation between crap and fact.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 24 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Mar-2003 07:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Remco Komduur):
doh!
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 25 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 12-Mar-2003 07:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (DaveP):
"#5 TerraSoft has to apply to us to be a dealer."

That is, if they don't order a batch of boards directly from a board manufacturer as they originally planned.

People really need to read the whole of Alan's post in the original.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 26 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Mar-2003 07:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Don Cox):
...well quite but I was just taking references out of there - out of context
of course but thanks for the clarification just in case people are foolish
enough not to follow the link.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 27 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 12-Mar-2003 07:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (priest):
Just wait another two weeks (TM) ...
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 28 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 12-Mar-2003 07:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Christian Kemp):
>Of course he doesn't outright insult ANN. But it's just one more in a long
>line of attempts to discredit ANN by dismissing anything that is being said
>on here as a "misconception" and all posters as "orcs".

Christian, I agree with you on this one.

That is very unfortunate, but quite frequent when reading communications from Amiga Inc. and partners - valid commentary is being dismissed all the time, if not directly then at least indirectly.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 29 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 12-Mar-2003 07:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (takemehomegrandma):
exact words: "We expect to receive them next week and start shipping them out the following week." one must admit that they are creative.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 30 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Mar-2003 07:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Janne Sirén):
That may be part of it but I think a large minority of users of ANN
are doing a damn good job of discrediting the sites userbase image on their own
without any help from others pointing it out.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 31 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by MiniBobF on 12-Mar-2003 08:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christian Kemp):
"Also notice the cheap shots at ANN... twice..."

In my own opinion, I think they're valid 'cheap' shots. It's no reflection on you though, rather the anon (or otherwise) people that visit here.

Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 32 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by MiniBobF on 12-Mar-2003 08:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (takemehomegrandma):
@takemehomegrandma

"Just wait another two weeks (TM) ..."

Yes, you're very clever. Stop chucking you rattle out of the pram and go back to sleep.

Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 33 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 12-Mar-2003 08:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (MiniBobF):
OK. Wake me up when I can buy one of these A1 mobos (really, I want to buy one now). But I have a hunch that it will be more than "two more weeks" though ...
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 34 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 12-Mar-2003 08:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (takemehomegrandma):
If you want to buy a Pegasos NOW then you'll also have to wait!!

They are sold out!
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 35 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Peter on 12-Mar-2003 08:50 GMT
Wait till the guys on AmigaWorld take Alans comments and make him out to be the best thing since sliced bread then just say wonderful things abot these amazing delays.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 36 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 12-Mar-2003 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Peter):
That's an uncalled for remark. Also the Pegasos had delays.

Fact is that work on AOS4/AmigaOne combo started much later then MorphOS/AOne combo. So it can't possibly be completely ready!
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 37 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 12-Mar-2003 09:03 GMT
If TerraSoft can't sell these things for $500 or less they probably don't want to bother. You're already pushing the limit for what a Linux hobbyist will pay.

Well I guess we'll have to wait and see if Kai will make any announcements now. There sure was a lot of fanfare involved. I even won their little contest.

(yes, I spelled everything in this post correctly, so there)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 38 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Peter on 12-Mar-2003 09:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Remco Komduur):
Why do you keep mentioning MorphOS/Pegasos on every reply? so anyone that says negative comments about Alans amazing speech is a Pegasos fan?

If the above is true then AmigaWorld is a site for you.

I hate delays and pathetic excuses so that must make me a Pegasos fan

Yes that remark on comment 35 is called for as AW is a "Say good things about Amiga or else" site.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 39 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Mar-2003 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Remco Komduur):
Don't let a lamer start another anti AmigaWorld.net flamewar ... notice
the IP address.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 40 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 12-Mar-2003 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Remco Komduur):
Huh? We've been hearing about AmigaOne for a lot longer than Pegasos. IIRC the Teron evalulation board has been around longer too!
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 41 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Sonic the hedgehog on 12-Mar-2003 09:25 GMT
I hate delays, people keep mentioning Amigaworld everywhere i go and insulting it and i know why, let me explain before attacking.

I was a member but got a private message from MikeB and was told to shut up insulting Amiga inc and then got warned if i say anything else i will be banned.

My comment i put on Amigaworld is below and judge for yourself.

=
Hi folks

Amiga inc really are bad for the Amiga and i see no hope for the Amiga when they are in charge and they seem to act very stupid when it comes to announcments.

Do not alienate your users.
=
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 42 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Sit Back Friends on 12-Mar-2003 09:38 GMT
Sit back and wait for the Tidal wave of Eyetech defenders and worshippers to come to their rescue and try to cover up more excuses
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 43 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 12-Mar-2003 10:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christian Kemp):
"Also notice the cheap shots at ANN... twice"

Cheap shots???

He's right isn't he?

It's not like he's talkin bad about ANN but just about SOME of the users. You as a webmaster here should be very aware of that.

I think it was directed mainly at all the lying anonymous posters, Colin etc. But offcourse you can allways read somthing bad and personal out off it, IF you really want to.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 44 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 12-Mar-2003 10:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Troels E):
I have to agree here.

Much like Alan has done now, I have in the past expressed concerns about the quality of discussion here and elsewhere.

These endless flamewars, impersonations, silly recriminations, personal insults etc. are very off putting to many users.

It's just a handful of people doing this on either side of the debate but they ruin the experience for many of us.

This has nothing to do with ANN as such nor with the excellent job Christian & Co are doing here.

I certainly hope that the "trusted user" option will go so way to remedy this.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 45 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Mar-2003 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Sonic the hedgehog):
You have to admit that is a bit flamebait. You could have got your point
across in a much less inflammable way than "I think Amiga Inc are bad for
the Amiga userbase" or "act very stupid" with the kind of reasoned post
that firstly is on AmigaWorld already ( saying the same thing but explaining
PROPERLY why ) or that Keith did yesterday here on ANN.

However, I didn't see your post go up and I didn't see a response from MikeB
so we just have your word for it. Unless you want to give us your userid and
password on AmigaWorld.net so we can go check up on it.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 46 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 12-Mar-2003 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christian Kemp):
There are no cheap shots at ann, and he is not "trying to discredit ann". I like ANN, i come here every day almost, but I don't think Alan was out of order with those two Ann references.

Where else on the whole of the internet would complete arseholes heckle the producers of not-for-profit magazines and freeware software?

Where else would anyone who doesn't slam everything Alan says in every post that has anything to do with eyetech be branded a "blind eyetech loving worshipper idiot", and anyone who does put down Eyetech or Amiga, Inc is immediately branded a "stupid MOS lover"?

The problem is not with the site itself, the problem is with the vocal minority of people who feel the need to contribute despite having the mental age of a toddler, and with all the personal abuse hurled at Mr. Redhouse by those people, i'm not surprise he singled out the ANN trolls for comment.

Do not take this personally Christian!
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 47 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by David Robinson on 12-Mar-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (DaveP):
I would like to make comments about Amigaworld,

The site is a good Amiga site but the problem is not the site but really with just one individual, Mr Bouma could be a really nice person but his pro Amiga attitude is really over the top and will ruin a good site with his defensive attitude towards people who are not willing to just agree with him.

I really do hope Amigaworld does well but i will not become a member of any website which has someone like that as a site admin.

The above comments are not to be taken out of context as they are my personal views.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 48 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Mar-2003 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (David Robinson):
I don't want to get into a position of defending Mike. He can do that for
himself. I realise that many people have issues with him, but they continue
to condemn an entire site and the users as "worshippers".

If they have a problem with Mike as a site administrator then they should
contact DaveyD and let him know and why. If not all this public posturing
and condemnation that goes on is ill directed and will change nothing and is
just being used by some as an excuse to criticise others whilst at the same
time doing nothing constructive about it to change the situation.

You have two choices:
1) Don't go there.
2) Tell DaveyD what you think about the situation, if he changes the situation to
your liking go there if not see #1.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 49 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 12-Mar-2003 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Remco Komduur):
> If you want to buy a Pegasos NOW then you'll also have to wait!!

Yes, but some weeks ago Genesi laid their cards on the table and announced just that. They said that if you are interested in the Pegasos you will have to act now, because after these are sold out there will be some waiting for the PegasosTwo. So you had your chance!
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 50 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 12-Mar-2003 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Christian Kemp):
< Just another hysterical ANN story. <<SNIP>> >

>Of course he doesn't outright insult ANN. But it's just one more in a long >line of attempts to discredit ANN by dismissing anything that is being said on >here as a "misconception" and all posters as "orcs".

Nope, and i believe he's pretty near the truth about some troll here. note "some" not "all". This is a forum and a good one, but actually it's one of the last website where you can grab some news (or rumor) and sometimes, heh, erm it's more about trolling and bullshit. That's what is speaking about.

ikez
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