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[Rant] Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc.ANN.lu
Posted on 18-Mar-2003 15:16 GMT by Seehund83 comments
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I sent Amiga, Inc. and Fleecy Moss an open letter in response to his statements on AmigaWorld.net and in Total Amiga Magazine about the hardware market restrictions imposed on AmigaOS. You can read it here.
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 51 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Mar-2003 01:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (MarkTime):
>From Anonymous Coward:

Look who's talking, somehow I have a hard time to believe your last name is Time, if it is your parents had a very weird sense of humor

As for SUN, I don't know why I threw it in there, I have a copy of Solaris myself on my PC. Argument still valid for the rest, no matter what excuses you'll find. After all, we can find excuses for any argument.
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 52 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 19-Mar-2003 02:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
If my last name is really Time, it could be that my parents are not at fault, but perhaps their parents! Or their parents parents!
Anyway, my name is Robert Dupuy, its really never been a secret, and occasionally it comes up in conversation.

oooh oohhhh oooh....I'm going to count this as someone finally asking....its a play on Mark Twain....oooh metaphysical and stuff...scareyyyyyyy

hehehe, no seriously, you may have accidentally included SUN, but in doing so you accidentally included a user initiative that actually worked. The truth is they almost never work, but whether they never worked before or they work all the time, isn't really the point.....

the point is, this is the Amiga community, we are going to do it.

btw, you can't actually be insulted right? I mean there must be some point to being anonymous, it makes you immune to personal insult, after all, who is 'anonymous'?
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 53 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 19-Mar-2003 03:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
>>After all, we can find excuses for any argument.

If speech is so meaningless to you, why do you speak at all?
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 54 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 19-Mar-2003 04:17 GMT
Talk about a lot of blah for an OS that doesn't even exist.

Even if, by some miracle, one day it does exist there's no telling how good it's going to be.

Anyway hacking AOS4 to run without the dongle would likely prove trivial. The real pirates don't really give a damn about this.
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 55 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Iggy Drougge on 19-Mar-2003 04:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (3seas):
If you're on it, Tim Rue, I'm out. IP bitchslapping my foot.
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 56 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Iggy Drougge on 19-Mar-2003 04:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
Au contraire, it is not valid. Even if SUN had scrapped Solaris x86 once and for all.
Why?
Because they are all hardware producers!
You buy a Mac, you get MacOS. You buy a Sparc, you get Solaris. You buy an Octane, you get IRIX. This could be said of Genesi, too.

In contrast, Amiga have themselves stated that they are a software provider. A software provider, nothing more, nothing less.
So why the hell are they all of a sudden (well...) dabbling in hardware?
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 57 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Brother BOB, Loyal Amigan Monk, pre-emptive strike on 19-Mar-2003 05:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
@Anonymous (172.181.196.121)

> Its clear your hidden agenda isn't to *free* amiga OS but to run it on
> your Mac hardware instead because you don't want to put your hand in
> your pocket and buy an AmigaOne , or Classic PPC board.


Its clear YOU have the hidden agenda to sell *shifty* MAI designed hardware that's garbage! Genesi learned their lesson rather quickly and ditched MAI for a *better* chip designer company. But Eyetech are stuck with the *junk dealer* MAI.

So you must be proud of yourself to sell that cheapo junk at high prices!
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 58 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Brother BOB, Loyal Amigan Monk, pre-emptive strike on 19-Mar-2003 05:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (catohagen):
@catohagen (81.29.32.150)

> So if Amiga Inc and Hyperion removed the 'OS4 enabler' dongle, does
> that mean OS4 will run on any hardware ? isnt there a HAL or something
> needed too ?

I'm not sure.

So Catohagen, how are you and Bill Buck getting along lately? Those hillarious flame wars.. Wouldn't it be much much funner to frag him in an Unreal Tournment running on Pegasos/MorphOS yes?

I always wanted to ask are you a developer?
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 59 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Brother BOB, Loyal Amigan Monk, pre-emptive strike on 19-Mar-2003 06:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Darrin):
@Darrin

You suck because you accuse all MOS users of being pirates! you are as bad a lier as AmigaInc.
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 60 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Big Beefer on 19-Mar-2003 06:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Darrin):
@Darrin

> Hmmm... that sounds like a good slogan for the Amiga Inc t-shirts.... black shirts with "I am a f*cking Amigist" in big red letters with a huge boing ball on the back...

You like Anal?
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 61 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 19-Mar-2003 07:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (MarkTime):
Well, I think in the case of Sun the thing that worked was more of a "we're prepared to spend money on this OS if it can run on standard hardware, but we don't need the extremely expensive hardware you're making" rather than a petition from a "community".

On a totally different note, I see Sun's "entry level workstation" with 128MB memory, PCI graphics card, 550MHz CPU, 10/100 ethernet, firewire, usb, 40G HD, floppy and 48x CDROM (solaris 8 preinstalled) comes out at $1400 directly from Sun. Wow, too bad AmigaOnes are so expensive, right? That's more or less the same price as the G4 power system Eyetech have on their website. Ok, so the AmigaOne doesn't come with onboard firewire, but it has twice as much disk, 4 times as much memory, faster CPU, AGP graphics (instead of PCI), DVDROM, CDRW, and a 66MHz PCI slot if you have a 66MHz PCI card. I have, once I manage to get some drivers compiled in.
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 62 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Brother BOB, Loyal Amigan Monk, pre-emptive strike on 19-Mar-2003 07:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Ben):
@Ben

> It doesnt make sense to try and get something supported and working on
> 101 configurations out the box. The next major version might be more
> capable of going "mainstream" and supporting a greater hardware base,
> but you dont want to try running before you can walk.

Problem with your comments:
a) If AmigaOS4 was based on the 'open firmware' standard, instead of Hyperions weird hacked up BIOS code, it would be compatible with those 101 new motherboards and devices that are based on it.

b)Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that Hyperion licensed a driver system for 100+ graphics cards for AmigaOS4 recently? There's your 101 configurations!

c) 'try running' Yes, try running AmigaOS4! It currently doesn't work. If it did, then Hyperion would indeed be proud fathers to show off their operating system baby!
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 63 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 19-Mar-2003 12:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Brother BOB, Loyal Amigan Monk, pre-emptive strike):
@ Brother Bob:

Don't you have some choir boys to go and "roger"?
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 64 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 19-Mar-2003 12:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (anonymous):
> Those that object to this measure have their own ulterior motives

Yes, and Elvis is alive, playing every Friday night at Adolf Hitler's Argentinian hacienda. Jimmy Hoffa plays the bass. And they're all part of the vast MorphOS conspiracy that doesn't give a sh|t about whether their Teron is sold by X or Y as long as it's cheap and works as it should. And Seehund has gathered a thousand stormtroopers to their disposal, and their first course of action was to hire Al-Quaida to create the 11/9 diversion to stop AInc from ordering T-shirts. Am I with you so far? :P

Sheesh.

> and none of them provide a convincing argument why anti-piracy provisions
> should be eliminated:

Dunno about others, but why would I provide such arguments, when I'm NOT arguing for the elimination of anti-piracy provisions? Did you click on the link up there in the submitted "Rant"? Have you ever had a look at the rest of that site? Have you even read the petition?

> 1. A desire to run OS4 on another platform: anti-piracy measures are
> irrelevant -- if the code does not support other architectures it simply will
> not work.

Correct. And obvious.
http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/faq.html#3
http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/faq.html#4

Note that a Teron board distributed by one company is not a different architecture compared to a Teron board distributed by any other company.

If a port is made to another architecture (which currently would require licensing by a hardware vendor), then that hardware sold under the "AmigaOne" license would not suddenly become a different architecture compared to the same hardware sold normally.

> Consumer demand will determine if and when additional systems are supported.

If it only were so well. Consumer demand (i.e. consumers other than a subset of the ridiculously few current Amiga/AmigaOS users, i.e. a real market) is put out of play, THERE IS A HARDWARE VENDOR LICENSING REQUIREMENT in addition. No licensee - no port, no matter what the demand. No port to popular/common hardware, plus no option to buy the OS for already supported hardware sold by others than the licensee - less consumer demand. It's a vicious cycle.

As it is now, Hyperion (or a third party) can't simply ask themselves "Is this or that piece of hardware commercially interesting for a port?". Not without adding "...and is there a hardware vendor interested in getting licensed to sell AmigaOS for us bundled with their hardware, provide some form of license verification mechanism and provide software support, and sell it to a so far commercially unattractive market of AmigaOS users, that already is saturated by Eyetech, while trying to stay somewhat competitive to everyone who sells the same hardware normally?"

> 2. The requirement dissuades companies from developing additional Amiga
> solutions:

Huh? Nobody develops hardware for AmigaOS.

> there are no vendors lining up and showing interest in producing additional
> hardware.

BLING BLING! We have a winner! There is no "Amiga hardware". There is no commercial interest from third parties in getting a license to be allowed to sell their hardware bundled with AmigaOS, other than *perhaps* some entity already on the current Amiga "market" who could perhaps flog a couple of dozen of somebody's boards to the already converted. If the current remnants of the Amiga market is all that AInc is aiming for (and I see that MarkTime has already pointed out the ambiguities regarding that), then what's the point of it all?

Judging from the introduction of your post I first thought you were disagreeing with me, but now I'm beginning to wonder... :)

> No one has abandoned the market as a result of this requirement.

No one has entered the "market". The "market" is currently owned by Eyetech.

> 3. Anti-piracy measures are futile: there are certainly no guarantees that any
> anti-piracy solution will be effective in the long run but it does allow the
> existing vendors to transparently protect their investment.

http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/faq.html#8

I'm saying that THIS implementation of alleged anti-piracy measures is just as futile as any other implementation. It's just that other implementations don't prevent any sales of the product it's allegedly intended to protect - AmigaOS.

http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/faq.html#12

Whatever investments some hardware vendor might have done in the past is simply not interesting here. That has nothing to do with Amiga, Inc. and "their" product AmigaOS. I believe that AmigaOS is not to be considered as simply a means to skin AmigaOS users to subsidise and give artificial respiration to any particular hardware shop.
All this smells of "Thanks for failing to make a new Amiga, but now we're gonna run on off the shelf hardware. Would you like a monopoly on that, for old times' sake?" or "AmigaOS? Someone was doing that for us, right? I think there was someone messing with hardware too. Let them handle all that. Ooooh - someone's submitted a new mobile phone crossword game!" I don't quite know which scenario is worse.

> 4. Moral outrage: OS4 is a commercial product, not freeware or open source. If
> you have a fundamental issue with anti-piracy measures then this solution is
> not for you -- there are ample alternatives.

Could you all please stop it with the "issue with anti-piracy measures" nonsense already? I just wrote a reply to someone who implied that this is about objections against anti-piracy measures, once again refuting that implication for heaven's sake! Look! Up there! Click the damn link! Then those infamous "ANN orcs" still insist on yapping about piracy...

> 5. You're a MOS troll:

Sweet Jebus, spare us! I who was just beginning to believe that this particular kind of moron was as good as extinct today, with a few hardened pockets of lissencephalic resistance remaining over at the Yahoo "AmigaOne" group and amigaworld.net, collectively masturbating over "new Amigas" and organising Group Hate sessions against "peecees" and "MOS trolls"...

> anti-piracy measures don't prevent you from running OS4 on your Pegasos,
> Genesi does

*sigh*
Ah, yes, evil Genesi for not getting a license to sell somebody else's OS bundled with *their own hardware* and call it "AmigaOne" when they already have an OS of *their own*. :P Same thing with Apple.

Neither Pegasoses nor Macs are "secrets". If something runs Linux perfectly fine (and *BSD, and OpenDarwin, and...), then it just can not be secret.

Even *IF* this hardware were secret, then what kind of logic are you applying when you deduce that the hardware vendor licensing requirement (a.k.a. "anti-piracy measures") is NOT what's stopping a port? The requirement would still be there, and it would most certainly NOT work as an incentive to convince this fictional secret-hardware-maker to share documentation! What you insist on mistakenly referring to as "anti-piracy measures" is an artificial construction that applies to ALL hardware, no matter if it's "open" or "secret". It must be removed.

http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/faq.html#14
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 65 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 19-Mar-2003 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
> Why are you talking if you don't have a clue ? Fact is, the Amiga market
> cannot survive without HW sales.

Hardware is not part of the "Amiga" market. There are no more Amigas. The product to be sold is AmigaOS, which is to run on third party hardware. You simply can't have missed this. The purpose of AmigaOS should not be to subsidise selected third party hardware distributors on our and AmigaOS's expense.

> And it is not competitive against the pc resales market.

No kidding!
Then it must be a great idea to lock AmigaOS to only an artificially created small subset of the market for any given piece of PPC hardware! :P

> And, guess why even Apple (not a small one) killed their clones? They are
> making profit again since then.

Amazing. This keeps coming up after all this time.
http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/faq.html#7

> So please, stop this ... finally its a simple business descision which has to
> be accepted...or switch to another platform, please!

I happen to be pretty fond of AmigaOS... But as you say, people are free to choose another OS. It's called voting with your wallet. If you see that a business plan inevitably will make people "vote" *AGAINST* your product with their wallets, then you obviously need to revise that business plan. Preferrably BEFORE launching the faulty business plan! I fear that AmigaOS won't have that many more chances of resuscitation after this, before it's ultimately declared dead one final time.

> I'd understand if the supply chain would break down and Amiga's won't be
> available - but this will happen if the involved companies aren't able to make
> money

Ah, another reason for not exclusively limiting AmigaOS to only third party hardware from a specific maker and distributor. AmigaOS should not be made dependent on whether Eyetech or whoever makes money or not on selling third party hardware to a pathetic "Amiga market" construction.

> (tell me, why isn't morhos available for anything else than Pegasos, yet?

One reason is of course that, unlike AInc/Hyperion, Genesi actually CAN be compared with Apple. They sell hardware of their own as (probably) their main source of income. If this is wise or not remains to be seen. (This doesn't contradict that they *also* want MorphOS running as widely spread as possible, if we for example are to believe that it'll be available for free for PPC Amigas, not to mention STBs and the Mac port you mentioned... If they can keep their own hardware competitive I guess they expect to sell both hard- and software.)
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 66 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 19-Mar-2003 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Ole-Egil):
> Well, I think in the case of Sun the thing that worked was more of a "we're
> prepared to spend money on this OS if it can run on standard hardware, but we
> don't need the extremely expensive hardware you're making" rather than a
> petition from a "community".

The difference I see between those two situations is the "hardware you're making" bit. :) Sun actually went ahead and made their OS available for hardware other than *their own*.
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 67 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 19-Mar-2003 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Darrin):
I, generaly, am touchy for some weeks now. Sorry if I express these feelings
here as well.
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 68 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 19-Mar-2003 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>>I, generaly, am touchy for some weeks now.

That's OK. We all get that way at times. I hope it's nothing serious causing it.
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 69 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Mar-2003 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Darrin):
Probably some troubles at Thendic ;-)
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 70 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 19-Mar-2003 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Darrin):
@Darrin

Nah, it probably is the weather... It could be the lack of sleep as well...
I really dunno. Probably a combination.

@Anonymous Coward

What makes you believe that any problems at Thendic would affect my personal
life and behaviour?
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 71 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by C-Time on 19-Mar-2003 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
I personally was going to buy AmigaOS4 until I saw the license scheme and the overall lousey quality (in my personal opinon) of the board. I found MorphOS and was like 'now this is an enviornment I can enjoy' It's like workbench revised for the next generation.
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 72 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by C-Time on 19-Mar-2003 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Seehund):
Seehund I've watched your futile efforts to get them to change, they will not change. You and others that support what you're doing should check out MorphOS and the Pegasos, In my opinon it's just the all around better alternative. The version for Phase5 cards will be "FREE", they plan to bring MorphOS to mac's, their produceing psudo-laptop for MorphOS, They will have a more advanced board out for it by september, they support their users(you can even talk to the da*n CEO on Amiga.org sometimes no wall of silence there), they have a 'silent' version of it comming out.

It's all around better in my opinon and I wont give a nickle to the companys trying to play mini-me stalin with OS4 as though we're a bunch of mindless marketing sheep that can be forced to buy very expensive arbitrarily re-badged hardware to make them rich.

I wont buy one and I urge others to at least consider MorphOS/Pegasos before laying down money on an AmigaOne (a motherboard that currently dosent have AmigaOS)
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 73 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 19-Mar-2003 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Ole-Egil):
@Ole-Egil,

Good point about Sun's hardware being too expensive for the consumer market.
You know, I don't think they sell box 'one' to the consumer market. Oh I'm sure there is an exception or two, but they have virtually no presence in the consumer market with their Sparc Hardware.

However, if I wanted a dba box to play around with $1400 is a bargain to
test my configurations before moving them onto a development server, where
while still pre-production, I might be impacting the work of 10 developers.

So, its all about what the markets willing to pay.

But Sun has conceded the consumer market, at least with their expensive Sparc hardware.

Are you meaning to tell me Amiga, Inc. has conceded the 'consumer' market?

I mean, only then could a comparison be fair, I think....

Otherwise, we need to compare the AmigaONE to other consumer devices, and there is where we discover that its vastly overpriced. Mac's are overpriced too...and its a difficult thing to get the price down when, one...the volume runs are small, and two, company management has convinced themselves they can get away with a big gouging and somehow keep afloat.

Apple is convinced of it, and they are right, they are profitable and keep afloat. But they are also aware, that in the long term, they must keep prices down and increase marketshare....which they have both lowered prices, and seemingly...have had some success in tiding further marketshare losses (maybe will even grow in the future).

As for Amiga....'they be crazy'
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 74 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 19-Mar-2003 22:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Iggy Drougge):
"A software provider, nothing more, nothing less."

No, they are software developers for carefully chosen computer hardware that meets specific requirements on the behalf of the hardware vendor. Noone but them decides which hardware they want to support. The piracy argument is only one of many arguments such as end user support from the hardware vendor, hardware and OS bundling issues, etc. I mean, picture this:

- Apple customer service, how may I be of assistance?

- Hi, I have a Powerbook and it won't boot at all I'm afraid.

- What happens when you try?

- It says "Error: unable to initialize harddrive".

- What version of MacOS do you have?

- I don't have MacOS, it's AmigaOS4.

- OmegaOS? I'm sorry but we only support MacOS users.

- It's "AmigaOS". Anyway, it's obviously not the OS but my hardrive that is malfunctioning, right? I mean, if it can't even initialize the harddrive, does it really matter what OS I run?

- I'm terribly sorry but I have no idea in what way your OmegaOS operates and I therefore cannot help you. I advice you to phone your OmegaOS customer service, maybe they can help you.

- But, the *Amiga*OS customer support told me to call you because this error means it's a hardware issue.

- Our hardware was never meant to run anything besides MacOS and if you do try running another OS it's at your own risk. Try installing MacOS and then call back if it still doesn't work.

- But, how am I supposed to do that if the harddrive doesn't work?

- I don't know. The error might have occured when you removed MacOS to begin with and like I said; we can no longer guarantee that your computer will operate correctly when run another OS than MacOS. I'm sorry but I can't help you. Thank you for calling, bye.

- But, but...

*click*

That's just an example out of many. Amiga Inc. and their partners want to provide their customers with better customer service than that. They want their customers to have full support for their OS *and* hardware as a complete package. They also want to bundle the OS with the hardware because 95% of all operating systems sold are bundled with and/or preinstalled on the hardware and it's a proven fact that noone has ever managed to remain a profitable business through selling a seperately sold OS only. They also want to have close cooperation with the hardware manufacturer in order to achieve guaranteed interoperability with the OS.

What they don't want is bad reviews and sales because of poor interoperability and customer support. Neither do they want people to pirate copy the OS. Sure, the ROM can be cracked but nevertheless, it will make it more difficult and therefore hopefully reduce piracy.

On top of that, we have the compatibility issue. Removing the hardware ROM code will NOT make the OS more hardware compatible. There is no universal hardware standard on the PPC hardware market compatible enough for an OS to run unchanged despite different hardware manufacturers. The ROM code is not to be blamed for the OS not running on a certain piece of hardware, period. Anyone saying differently obviously has no idea about what he or she is talking about.

To sum things up:

1. It won't affect the OS hardware compatibility.

2. It won't affect the price of the OS nor the hardware.

3. It will guarantee compatibility, interoperability and customer support for both the OS and the hardware.

4. It will be bundled with and/or preinstalled on the hardware.

5. It will be sold seperately to those already owning AmigaOS4 compatible hardware.

My question to Seehund is; what IS your problem, really?
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 75 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 19-Mar-2003 22:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (C-Time):
That post seems like something that should be said in a private e-mail to Seehund. No point in throwing around your mudslinging MorphOS propaganda in a thread such as this. MorphOS has nothing to do with the issue at hand and is rather OT.
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 76 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Mar-2003 07:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (samface):
BTW, I might add that bundling the OS with the hardware and restricting the seperately sold version of course has it's effect on piracy as well. I mean, why pirate copy something that came with your hardware?
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 77 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 20-Mar-2003 15:00 GMT
If Seehund it's not a virus, I don't know what he is... ;b
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 78 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 20-Mar-2003 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (C-Time):
@C-Time

visit www.morphzone.org

Sign up and message me.
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 79 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 20-Mar-2003 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (pixie):
@pixie

What do you mean?
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 80 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 21-Mar-2003 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Darth_X):
But if all these people indeed went to AW, how would you keep masturbating while attacking AW and them!? If had none arise here… you would turn from a looser to a sad pathetic looser that couldn't even masturbate at what he likes best, nagging at otheres...

Keep smiling... these are the people who makes you happy
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 81 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 21-Mar-2003 13:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (pixie):
It wasn't meant for you, sorry...

As for my previous comment, I was not refering to seehund as a virus (obviously) but rather his tactics, I am actually fed up with his need to show up saying always the same thing, pretending that is all too simple and acting in a propaganda kind of way, and doing nothing.
If he comes with money on front, to assume the costs to do the port and for support, if not don't pretend to live in a simpler world then what we live...
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 82 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 21-Mar-2003 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (C-Time):
>Seehund I've watched your futile efforts to get them to change, they will not
>change. You and others that support what you're doing should check out MorphOS
>and the Pegasos, In my opinon it's just the all around better alternative. The
>version for Phase5 cards will be "FREE", they plan to bring MorphOS to mac's,
>their produceing psudo-laptop for MorphOS, They will have a more advanced
>board out for it by september, they support their users(you can even talk to
>the da*n CEO on Amiga.org sometimes no wall of silence there), they have
>a 'silent' version of it comming out.

What a love letter... that you don't like AmigaOS is one thing, pretendig MorphOS to be all sum all, is another

>It's all around better in my opinon and I wont give a nickle to the companys
>trying to play mini-me stalin with OS4 as though we're a bunch of mindless
>marketing sheep that can be forced to buy very expensive arbitrarily re-badged
>hardware to make them rich.

I see Hyperion to be awfully rich by seling AOS4, yeah... right!

>I wont buy one and I urge others to at least consider MorphOS/Pegasos before
>laying down money on an AmigaOne (a motherboard that currently dosent have
>AmigaOS)

I don't understand that kind of urge you have... is it somekind of pain you have!?
Open letter to Fleecy Moss and Amiga, Inc. : Comment 83 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 21-Mar-2003 14:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Iggy Drougge):
>In contrast, Amiga have themselves stated that they are a software provider. A
>software provider, nothing more, nothing less.

>So why the hell are they all of a sudden (well...) dabbling in hardware?

Maybe because, like sun, they actually select what hardware they want their software to run... is that so complicated!?
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