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AmigaWorld now has their 2nd week Q&A session with Fleecy Moss up and on line.

Read about it here.

Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 1 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 23-Mar-2003 17:59 GMT
Suprise suprise (not), my question wasn't taken ....
So noone is interested who is gonna port Intent/DE to OS4.2 and when ?
Or is just that noone is interested in Intent/DE ;)

The rest:
Lots of words to say nothing.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 2 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga User (Not Blind) on 23-Mar-2003 18:09 GMT
That is some funny shit, Mike Bouma (Amiga incs PR man) is doing a wonderful job.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 3 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 23-Mar-2003 18:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Kronos):
oh please. There are approx 150 questions pending to get asked, both from the previous week and this week's question. They only get to ask 10 questions, so don't be so surprised if your question didn't make it THIS time. There are more rounds, you know.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 4 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 23-Mar-2003 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Kronos):
i have asked 8 questions and none got through...
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 5 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 23-Mar-2003 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Kronos):
actually, i would like to know if there were any Q/A's you did like ...
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 6 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJIm on 23-Mar-2003 18:42 GMT
I have a submission in each Q&A so far :-D

(yay...)
.
SlimJim
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 7 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Mar-2003 18:55 GMT
So what does it say? Anything new? I would like to know but I do not want to visit that site, not after the filthy actions taken recently by it's owners and maintainers.

BTW, I hope this will be moderated as "web" since it doesn't contain anything else but a web link. No news in the post itself.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 8 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Mar-2003 18:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (SlimJIm):
Perhaps you are asking the "right" questions?
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 9 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 23-Mar-2003 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (takemehomegrandma):
No idea.

What "filthy actions" are you talking abput, by the way? Haven't heard of this.
.
SlimJim
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 10 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga User (Not Blind) on 23-Mar-2003 19:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (takemehomegrandma):
Mike Bouma (Amiga incs main PR guy) is passing on the questions to Moss so the questions are only going to be the easy ones where Moss does not have to think before he types the answers.

Maybe DaveyD would just sort his website out and put a admin incharge who is a normal every day average Joe amiga user and not a silly "Say anything negative about Amiga inc and be banned" clown.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 11 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 23-Mar-2003 20:31 GMT
What is this? Do we have to put up with an advert to more Amiga Inc PR EVERY WEEK??????
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 12 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Mar-2003 20:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Amiga User (Not Blind)):
Can you back it up with facts? No? Shut up. The questions are there in public, Moss can read them by himself
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 13 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 23-Mar-2003 20:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (smithy):
Actually, I'm sure this is just the Initiative Of The Month that will be forgotten about shortly. We should organise a sweep as to how long this Initiative will last... I vote for 3 weeks.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 14 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Mar-2003 21:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (smithy):
Just remember that it doesn't count if you're right because you affected the outcome. Actually, a LOT of people should try to remember that. It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy, and it's something doom-mongers thrive on. Dead easy to predict something will not be a success if the success can be easily prevented by getting enough people to say it won't happen...
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 15 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 23-Mar-2003 21:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Ole-Egil):
>It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy

No it's not, it's called history-repeating-itself!
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 16 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by chillout on 23-Mar-2003 21:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Kronos):
Do you post the same shit on every forum? You became already an answer at amiganews.de ! Troll....
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 17 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 23-Mar-2003 23:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Ole-Egil):
Yea, that must be it, the amiga users criticizing Amiga Inc., this is the real reason they've abysmally failed at everything they've promised to "deliver", it has become a self-fullfilling prophecy.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 18 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 24-Mar-2003 01:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Ole-Egil):
This comment is so damned stupid it sucks intelligence from the whole thread like a black hole.

So let me get this straight. My not buying non-existent products is the reason the products don't exist?
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 19 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 24-Mar-2003 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (strobe):
Well, in essence you're almost there. Try this on for size:
You calling people shit-for-brains (or similar, I'm not directly quoting you because I don't have time for digging up your shit today) because they want to buy products (like the person on amiga.org who is thinking of buying an m68k mac and port AROS to it. you didn't stop to think he might think it's a fun idea, did you? oh no, gotta come down with the "buy a new mac instead, it's faster". Maybe he doesn't WANT a new mac) that you don't want to buy. Stop criticizing people for sticking up for their hobby. If spending money on your hobby becomes a no-go because you can't stand the humiliation, how is anyone gonna resurrect anything?
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 20 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Mar-2003 07:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ole-Egil):
Ole

Stop spoiling Strobes reason to keep visiting Amiga community sites. If you take
away his ability to sneer, jeer, name call, be snide or be generally obnoxious
he might just go and stay 100% of the time on Mac and PC sites! If every
post of his that fits into that category were to be deleted we would be left with what 1, maybe two posts!

It would be a terrible loss to the Amiga and MorphOS community that we are
building here on ANN, Amiga.org and other sites.

Terrible!

I think Ill start a campaign to uphold Strobes right to be an obnoxious pain
in the arse! Are you all with me?

We need people to print the t-shirts, lobby Parliament, organise a leaflet campaign and a march on the capitol.

Dave.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 21 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by hhmm on 24-Mar-2003 07:41 GMT
This should be news, lost of nice details!

Also "trusted user" isn't a good decription. "confirmed user" would be much better. (Bill Buck isn't trusted by most)
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 22 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 24-Mar-2003 09:38 GMT
These sessions of questions & answers is a plain joke.

Stop it before it becomes more pathetic than ridiculous.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 23 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 24-Mar-2003 09:41 GMT
Cool the naysaying....at least it's an attempt at communicationwith the "community"......Would be nicer to have 4.0 out on the market, however....
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 24 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga User (Not Blind) on 24-Mar-2003 09:48 GMT
Its Amigaworld FFS, do you people really want to see questions which may sound slightly negative towards Amiga inc? it is not going to happen while Mouma and Amigaworld exist.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 25 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by puh.. on 24-Mar-2003 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Ben Yoris):
Since when has Ben Yoris joined the extremists? Or is this yet again an anonymous troll trying to ruin the name of someone?
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 26 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Mar-2003 10:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (puh..):
Don't see why that should be an extrimist view ????

The answers are just as concrete as a bunch of fluffy clouds, no serious
questions were asked, nothing not allready known has been said.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 27 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by puh.. on 24-Mar-2003 10:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
Why not ask some "serious" questions then? I believe there's a first come first serve policy at AmigaWorld which of course means new questions may appear not appear next week. All this whining is just plain stupid. I found Fleecy's answers and the questions interesting and very useful.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 28 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by The Absolute Truth on 24-Mar-2003 11:11 GMT
Just thought I'd waste my time by telling you guys you're wasting your time.
Go do something productive, like some real work for the platform. You can't?
Then learn how. It's not that it's too hard or anything. Seriously, none of
this is leading anywhere, it's generating a lot of crap, instead of the advan-
ces we all need. But then again, everything's going to change as a new company,
a real one, with real money, takes things over. Wait and see and do something productive with your time. Like me.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 29 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 24-Mar-2003 11:15 GMT
Great interview, thanks.
Next week we will be grilling him about his favourite colour and TV programme.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 30 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 24-Mar-2003 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (The Absolute Truth):
Was that directed toward the community or Amiga Inc? Because frankly I think a lot of people everywhere should try to do what you just said. Stop generating crap and start generating something useful. For instance, code some software (game, maybe?) instead of trying to make people buy powerbooks all the time.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 31 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 24-Mar-2003 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (DaveP):
DaveP:

I know, and I'm sorry. I guess what we really need is another PowerMac salesman after all. Put me up for a t-shirt, eh? ;-)
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 32 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 24-Mar-2003 11:35 GMT
The first answer answers a lot of my questions directly and very honestly.

Thank you Fleecy.

There's a lot of news in there for those who care to read it.

Marshall McCluhan taught a useful lesson in listening skills.

When listening (or reading) we are relating back to what we know, or thinking about what is being said or what we'll say.

This activity is noise getting in the way of a signal.

What we need to be doing is drinking in the information without other activity going on.

Then we receive the message.

This btw is a useful lifeskill with many benefits.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 33 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Mar-2003 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Ole-Egil):
I promise to deliver the t-shirts as soon as possible, in the meantime
heres a Save Strobe Coupon that can be used against your next purchase of
a PowerBook:

<transmission error>
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 34 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 24-Mar-2003 12:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Ben Yoris):
>Stop it before it becomes more pathetic than ridiculous.
nice one ben! my sentiments exactly.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 35 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 24-Mar-2003 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (DaveP):
>I think Ill start a campaign to uphold Strobes right to be an obnoxious pain
>in the arse!

No i'm not with you. STrobe actually knows about programming ppc which is a lot more than you. in fact he is probably about then times as inteligent as you. you are just a cheerleader fanatic..
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 36 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 24-Mar-2003 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (cheesegrate):
cheesgrate defending strobe will really impress people
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 37 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Mar-2003 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (cheesegrate):
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

/me wipes a tear from his eye

Thats right cheesegrate, rise above yourself ;-)
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 38 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Loyal Amigan Monk on 24-Mar-2003 12:48 GMT
1) BrianHoskins: I know it's a little soon to start drudging up time scales for a more commercialised OS, given that AOS4 isn't quite out yet, but when do you think the Amiga Platform is going to be in a position to release a new OS aimed at the wider audience? Im not talking about exact dates here, just approximately. A Year? 2? 3? More?

Brother BOB: We are watching what Genesi are going to do in the market and copy their every move, then we will use our Microsoft 'sell-out' money to develop our infrastructure. You can be sure that we are going to support all of the new Microsoft devices being released.


a) reliable supply of good quality and competitive hardware
(More Windows based Devices)

b) a stable, localised, well documented and supported operating system
(Windows Pocket PC and XP)

c) a supply of good third party applications, both available and in progress
(Windows Apps)

d) an effective marketing campaign - reviews, advertisements, presence.
(Paid for by Microsoft)



2) seldom: Is there some kind of estimation, when there will be a Java VM for AOS ? Obviously this would open up a whole bunch of apps and developers for AOS. Maybe there is some way to do something special (tight integration into OS, boosting GUI implementation) about this implementation, so it gets especially attractive to develop/use java-apps. for/on AOS ?

Brother BOB: Personal Java and MIDP will be available once the AmigaDE runs on the AmigaOS. Personal JAVA is a cut down version of JAVA that is not suitable for the homeserver, so we are going with an industry standard Microsoft written JAVA solution.


3) DaveyD: Have you considered porting an open source browser such as mozilla to AOS and if so, will it be included with AOS?

Brother BOB: Ask DaveP the guy porting Mozilla to AmigaOS4.

4) SlimJim: Will there be an official list of supported hardware for the AOne + AOS4 combo released before the launch of the actual OS? I know this has been asked before, but it would be nice for people with Earlybird systems to be able to start putting together the hardware (with Linux) now, safely knowing that the addons they buy will also be supported by the upcoming AOS4.

Brother BOB: Its on the internet somewhere! Our friends at www.amigaworld.net and Mike Bouma are hard at work on new Amiga Power Platform website. This site will provide lists of hardware, software and links to reviews.



5) Rebel: Why has Amiga Inc not involved its community more? There are many talented graphics artists, webmasters, programmers that could be called upon to help. Also surveys on features etc that users want the most. AI's refusal to engage the users has helped to fragment that community further.

Brother BOB: Cause we don't trust you lot! You're bloody pirates and cheerleaders!

6) alx: What tools will be available to develop for OS4?

Brother BOB: We locked Olaf Barthel in a closet and told him he couldn't come out UNTIL the AmigaOS4 EXCLUSIVE GCC compatible compiler and IDE are finished. We reward his effort every week hostess twinkies!


7) alx: Do you know when the new SciTech graphics drivers will be integrated into the OS (ie as a Boing Bag, or in OS4.2 or whatever)?

Brother BOB: Completely usefuless filler response!

8) Unclecurio: There was much talk of the Zico spec in the early days. Is Amiga Inc continuing the development of these blueprints and, if so, when can we expect to hear more?

Brother BOB: What's ZICO spec? (Looks through paperwork) I don't see no Zico specification devices here! Our future plans for the AmigaOS include the new Windows Media Platform!

9) Kay: Have you given any thought to communication between Amiga desktops and AmigaDE capable PDAs? If so, what devices can we expect to be using together with our AmigaOne systems in the near future?

Brother BOB: This software is already completed by our partner TAO!


10) The_Editor: "The Matrox are supposed to be an A.Inc Partner... Have / are negotiations taken place to port/create NLE Editing solutions for A1?"

Brother BOB: Huh? What partnership with Matrox? We paid them piles of $$$ so we could convince them to allow us to write drivers!

"We have been contacted in the last week by a company which has expressed an interest in bringing video capture, editing and presentation software to AmigaOS4.0 but I cannot give any more details at this early stage."

I doubt this company is NewTek.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 39 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 24-Mar-2003 12:52 GMT
OK.

Q: WHY was this posted here?
A: To advertise amigaworld.net and start a flamewar.

It's NOT news any more than announcing that the Times pyblished an issue this morning. It's a regular event, therefore not news.

Was it meant to provoke comment about Fleecy's answers? Clearly not, as Fleecy (and Eyetech, Hyperion and a vocal contingent at AmigaWorld.net) have all said they don't give any attention to the "trolls" at ANN. Furthermore, since Fleecy's answers are covered by copyright and cannot be reproduced elsewhere (am I correct?) this also means they don't want them commented on anywhere except at amigaworld.net.

Please stop the blatant advertising. If amigaworld.net and Amiga Inc are so desperate for publicity that they have to keep announcing the completion of a regular event, let them pay for advertising space like everyone else.

Alternatively, please reproduce the Q&A content rather than just posting a link to a site which gains advertising revenue with every visitor.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 40 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Mar-2003 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (cheesegrate):
> probably about then times as inteligent as you.

Hahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahaha - priceless.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 41 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Mar-2003 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Bill Hoggett):
> It's NOT news any more than announcing that the Times pyblished an issue this morning.

You're talkimg pap and you know it.

> It's a regular event, therefore not news.

Sorry to burst your bubble but so far it has only happened twice. Hardly 'regular'.
Of course, if anyone else, say hmmm, Bernie perhaps or even Ralph, were to answer ten questions, you wouldn't want that here either?

Pfffft!
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 42 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 24-Mar-2003 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
>Sorry to burst your bubble but so far it has only happened twice. Hardly 'regular'.


It's already irregular, it started a week early. :))

AmigaOne! Just around the two corners. ;)
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 43 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 24-Mar-2003 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
> Sorry to burst your bubble but so far it has only happened twice.
> Hardly 'regular'.

What does "Weekly" mean to you? Once every week, yes? I think that fits the definition 'regular' quite well.

> Of course, if anyone else, say hmmm, Bernie perhaps or even Ralph, were
> to answer ten questions, you wouldn't want that here either?

As a one-off? Of course I would. It would be news.

If they did it on a weekly basis? No, I wouldn't want "_news_" of it happening being posted here on a regular basis. If the Q&A session itself was posted here, that would be a different matter. It would not be news, but it would be a regular feature of the site.

As it is, the ANN facilities are simply being abused to advertise amigaworld.net and Amiga Inc for free.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 44 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 24-Mar-2003 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Bill Hoggett):
Well... I'm sorry but this is new information about the one and only official next generation AmigaOS and hardware, straight from the horses mouth, and if that isn't news on a website covering Amiga news, then I don't know what is.

But of course, if Genesi makes Digital TV devices, that is alot more related, right? Sigh...
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 45 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 24-Mar-2003 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Bill Hoggett):
> As it is, the ANN facilities are simply being abused to advertise
> amigaworld.net and Amiga Inc for free.

But with MorphOS related news coverage it's a different story, right? Hipocrate...
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 46 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 24-Mar-2003 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Bill Hoggett):
@Bill Hoggett

Having read your reasoning, I see your point. But - no matter what the loud minority
says, It's quite obvious to me that the community _is_ seeing some news value in
having answers from fleecy moss. Even if you don't believe a word he is saying for
some personal reason, the interest is here. And isn't that what newssites like ANN
are here for? To cater for the interests of the community?

(I won't go further down the "news/no news" road than this.)
.
SlimJim
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 47 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 24-Mar-2003 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Bill Hoggett):
> It's a regular event, therefore not news.

Uuuuhmmm... Did you really think that statement through before saying it? It's not the same questions, it's new information, nothing is repetitive besides the new answers every week part. Why wouldn't it be news? It's like saying the 7 'o clock news every night isn't news simply because they broadcast regularly. Weird reasoning...
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 48 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 24-Mar-2003 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Bill Hoggett):
> As a one-off? Of course I would. It would be news.
...

Again, be it Genesi or Amiga or whomever, I'd recommend discussing the actual content of postings rather than debating whether or not they are news or fit to be here. We'd be much better off that way.

I quite welcomed this link here, I might have missed this event otherwise. Not that Fleecy had much to say, but that is another matter - that is disussing the content, not the postings right to exist.

I have a Pegasos on order and much more faith in Genesi than in Amiga Inc. and partners, but I still welcome the diverisity and equality of the community. And it goes to reporting all kinds of events/items too without having to justify every single thing... And that goes to people on all sides.

IMHO.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 49 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Mar-2003 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Bill Hoggett):
> As it is, the ANN facilities are simply being abused to advertise
> amigaworld.net and Amiga Inc for free.

Hahahahaha......you're beginning to sound like a spoilt child.
Questions with Fleecy Moss - Week 2 : Comment 50 of 193ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga User (Not Blind) on 24-Mar-2003 14:55 GMT
The questions are a complete joke, just look at the names of the people who have asked the questions, yes the Amiga inc rulez gang are the only people having their questions answered by Jesus Moss.
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