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Posted on 27-Mar-2003 20:27 GMT by ulrich panzer (Edited on 2003-03-28 13:33:49 GMT by Christian Kemp)13 comments
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Honored Ladies and Lords, once again we have some interesting news related to Tales of Tamar. Dear players,

we are always especially pleased when we are able to release a new update. Since V0.48R5, these changes have been made:

  • the granary now takes the number of trade offices into account
  • report for failed piracy
  • report for successful piracy
  • report for victims of piracy
  • dragons and undead
  • coronation screen
  • third diplomacy screen
  • tenth activated in tax screen
  • vassal contracts in diplomacy
  • new sounds for coronation and dragons
  • AnimFX V2 (new animation subsystem)
  • rebelling towns still could create scouts and settlers. fixed
  • cargo can no longer be unloaded onto the ship itself
  • fix in diplomacy
  • scouts or settlers loaded on a ship can no longer be disbanded
  • maximum confidence limited to 500
  • figures in the water are deleted upon clicking if they are no loaded into a ship
  • dependency on anims removed again
As a world premier, ToT now has a extensive system to manage vassals and aftervassals. The players can now make vassal contracts, and climb in the feudal ladder. There are eight different titles on Tamar: Baron, Viscount, Count, Marquis, Duke, Archduke, King and Emperor. For each ascending in title, there will be a separate animated screen.

But titles are not only a symbol of status, they are also worth real money! Each rank is entitled to a number of free turns per month. If you ascend high enough, you can play ToT almost for free.

The piracy reports were added upon numerous requests from players and tester. Piracy should be an even better feature now.

Dragons were seen!

The dragons are a very old race of winged lizards. These enormous creatures like to settle in far off regions. On Tamar, there are several kinds of dragons, distinguishable by their skin color. They all have some things in common: They hatch from eggs, are carnivore, use their fiery breath as a weapon, love gold and gems and are very powerful.

Dragons live hundreds or even thousands of years. Because of their long history, they tend to look down on younger races like men.

Tamar is the home of different kinds of dragons. Legend has it that some can even be summoned by elves and dwarves if they are in danger.

The strongest and most powerful of them all is the Golden. His fire can destroy whole towns. Fortunately, he is not very aggressive and of a lawful disposition.

Contrary to the Red Dragon. This chaotic-evil creature has nothing in mind but fiery death to all races. He is not as powerful as the Golden, but his aggressiveness knows no limits. He sinks ships, destroys towns and defeats large armies, if need be. Everybody be warned about this dragon.

Dragons usually appear in small flocks of 1 to 4.

news of tamar : Comment 1 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Red Radler on 27-Mar-2003 20:49 GMT
For all who forgot the URL.

btw - its a great game. ;-)
news of tamar : Comment 2 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 28-Mar-2003 08:08 GMT
Looks like a very cool game indeed. Too bad it seems (at least judging by the
forums) to be played mostly by german players (talking german). Even though I
understand german, it takes me about twice as long to read and understand. Would
be a major disadvantage for me diplomacy-wise (even though people were to adress
me in english, it would be a pain to keep up with the overall happenings).

As I have stated before, I never did understood how someone could do a game in
German at all - especially in a multiplayer game. Even if you, as in this case,
supply an english version too, it separates the gamers into several camps. I
would never even dream of doing a game in Swedish for example, even though that
is my maternal language. Why limit the audience unnecessarily? As it is, this is
my main hesitation against buying this game.
news of tamar : Comment 3 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Wolfen on 28-Mar-2003 08:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (SlimJim):
I dont understand this. ToT ist not a 'german' game. Its fully localised and the only reason why everbody speaks german is, that there are not much english
players until now. :-) The manual is english/german, the homepage is english/german, we have a different english intro version, the forum is
english/german etc. The only thing, that is not in english is the box. And
that was a matter of costs.


Btw.: Most of the german people speaks english and its called the
'common language' in the game. If some of you joins us, you will see that
more english will be spoken.
news of tamar : Comment 4 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 28-Mar-2003 08:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Wolfen):

This is good to hear. I did realize the game is localized. It's only that the
web-page forums (among them one that seem to be concerning "in game" discussions)
seems to be almost exclusively in german. And I assume the discussion going on in
there has some impact on the gameplay. I might be wrong though - perhaps there is
an in-game forum that is more important.
news of tamar : Comment 5 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Wolfen on 28-Mar-2003 09:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (SlimJim):
hi SlimJim,

the ToT forum is here :


Look at it once. You will see many english rubrics with not so many entries.
But thats not the problem of the german players, or ? :-) Also, i want to point
out that every important information is translated bei us.

news of tamar : Comment 6 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 28-Mar-2003 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (SlimJim):

While I understand your point, it should be noted that I don't speak, read or write any German worth mentioning, and yet I manage in the game quite well, both in terms of comminicating with others and keeping up with events in general. It does take more effort than normal, but it can be done.

Wolfen has a point. More English speakers will result in more English being used. Certainly most German speakers can use English too, and I find it strangely amusing that they always apologise to me for their bad English, which is invariably much, much better than my German. :)

There is only one aspect in which not being able to speak German has proved a drawback, but I'd be giving too much away if I said what that was. As with the overall situation, more near-native* English speakers would alleviate that problem too.

(* meaning people who are comfortable conversing in English)

Don't let the perceived language barrier put you off. It's a very good game and well worth playing. Be prepared to have your free time seriously affected though. ;)
news of tamar : Comment 7 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 28-Mar-2003 09:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Wolfen):

Yes, I did look at the forums, and more than once.;-) It's the fact that there are
a division between german players (having a german speaking forum) and the english
players (having an english speaking forum) _in_the_first_place_ that troubles me.
But I don't want to argue, nor dish your hard work (in fact I plan to buy it,
see below). Consider it an honest concern. Many people, interested in the game
take a look at the website to see what kind of game it is. Only seeing (a
overwhelming majority of) german comments *will* put people off as thinking it is a mainly german-oriented game.

@Bill Hoggett

Very good. I planned to check it out at any rate, but what you're saying is promising. I'll see if they have it at AmiGBG.
news of tamar : Comment 8 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 28-Mar-2003 09:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Wolfen):

It's just my opinion, but I'm not sure the separate English/German sections in the forum actually helps. What happens is that most threads etc., end up in the German forums and thus exclude contributions from those of us who can't write in German (which is my fault, but there you go). This simply means the English speakers can get excluded, and I know the other English speakers in the game feel the same way.

I would suggest merging the English and German sections - as is already the case with some subjects - meaning that everyone can post in whatever thread in the language they feel most comfortable in.


The lack of English discussion is affected by the issue I mentioned above, but then it's also true that there are only about six native English speaking players in the game AFAIK. The only way to increase the amount of English spoken is to get more English speaking players on board.
news of tamar : Comment 9 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Red Radler on 28-Mar-2003 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (SlimJim):

Belive me, most of the players speak english as well, but are still too lazy to do so. The only reason for this is the lack of people who require "the common laguage". This might change when more nongerman people join.
Anyway. Whennever you have a question and ask in english you will get your answer in that language back. This encloses technical questions and ingame talk as well.
Hope you join too.
You know: "The more people, the more fun."
We have already a lot (as you can see in the forum) and have still room for many many many more people and much more fun. :-)
news of tamar : Comment 10 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 28-Mar-2003 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Red Radler):
I must have a severe website dyslexia problem - I haven't found any info as to the
cost of playing...?
news of tamar : Comment 11 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 28-Mar-2003 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (SlimJim):

You get almost a year's worth of turns when you buy the base set, which is available from a number of retailers.

Extra turns are then available at various rates depending on how many you buy, and you'd need to mail Eternity directly for the details and methods of payment. I believe these are currently being worked on to make things easier in the future.

Hope that helps.
news of tamar : Comment 12 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 28-Mar-2003 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Bill Hoggett):
Ok. Thanks.
news of tamar : Comment 13 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 30-Mar-2003 06:35 GMT
Ok, I bought it at AmiGBG!

Don't expect to see me in Tamar anytime soon though. I really must concentrate
getting my master thesis done and mustn't be disturbed with the troubles of being
a sovereign ruler right now ;-)

The manual answered some of my questions (very well written that). But I still
find the forum focus on German language a very clear disadvantage in spreading
this game to a wider audience.
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