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[News] WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road homeANN.lu
Posted on 03-Apr-2003 09:50 GMT by Raffaele14 comments
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Release 6 of Win UAE Amiga emulator for Windows will be released first half of this month. WinUAE Home Expected release date: first half of April

Bugs fixed:

- increased compatibility/display corruption fixes Future CAPS releases, TerrorPods, Eliminator, Double Dragon 2, Wild Streets, Liverpool, Banshee AGA, Alien Breed 3D, Skeleton Krew...
- audio emulation fixes (noise and random popping)
- input configuration saves autofire settings properly
- crash when creating new CD32 NVRAM-file
- compressed disk images can be write-enabled
- more compatible with newer CDTV extended ROMs (still no CDROM controller emulation)
- disk emulation fixes (writing freeze, drive type, disk eject/insert,
more compatible disk change detection, writing to multiple drives simultaneously)
- stuck middle button when "Middle Mouse-Button -> ALT-TAB" was enabled
- don't crash if zlib.dll is missing
- lost mouse input events when using high refresh rate mouse

New features:

- compressed state files
- rewritten and more compatible serial port emulation
- more compatible blitter speed in non cycle-exact mode (Spindizzy Worlds, PP Hammer..)
- turbo-floppy speed enables fast writing
- disable screensaver when WinUAE is active
- improved configurable CPU idle-function
- screenshots saved to ScreenShots-directory
WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road home : Comment 1 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by pitur on 03-Apr-2003 20:30 GMT
Does anyone know whether I would be able to run Music-X no UAE and use my Amiga midi-interface on my x86 laptop? Still use my A4000 for midi, but it's a bit noisy for a soundstudio... (and for that matter, how about a parallel sampler with for example technosound turbo 2)

I know there are alternatives on PC, but sometimes it just feels great to use a tool that simply does what it's conceived for, nothing more, and, more importantly, nothing less...

thanks,


Pitur.
WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road home : Comment 2 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 04-Apr-2003 07:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (pitur):
By the way...

I see you use Amiga wirėth midi...

I have a question for you that is buzzing in my head for a long time!

Why Amiga interfaces have in-out and THRU MIDI connections and PC interfaces (and modern also) have only midi in-out?

Does it is a "Greatness Mania" of the PC solutions in which the producers wanna be "their PC" could be only the First of the Last of the MIDI Queue and not a "simple" thru device?

Or maybe the thru MIDI port is lying in obsolescence?

Bye,

Raffaele
WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road home : Comment 3 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 04-Apr-2003 08:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (pitur):
Regarding you question:

> Does anyone know whether I would be able to run Music-X no UAE and use my Amiga midi-interface on my x86 laptop?

What does it mean ***NO*** UAE? Do you want to use your midi port in Amiga environment onto UAE, or does it must be used into PC Win environment???

and also:

> Still use my A4000 for midi, but it's a bit noisy for a soundstudio...

It will be interesting if you will explain what are your problems, we all are curious about Amiga faults and problems...


About your question, ASSUMING your thougts is to use Amiga Midi on a PC Laptop using UAE and about compatibility,

THE BEST INFO IS from the FAQ of Cloanto Amiga Forever Emulation CD:

http://www.softhut.com/cloanto/faq.html

When you had read this and understood all its implications,

then and ONLY THEN you can try:

http://home.concepts-ict.nl/~nctnico/midi.htm

(But as if you see the author of the compendium himself made a disclaimer in which he does not assume any responsibility for any damage it could happen),

and thru (This word seems to be a must :)

http://crystal.apana.org.au/ghansper/midi/midi-in-a-D-shell.html

Again,

Info about using Bars & Pipes and the new bars'n'pipes version onto UAE are on:

http://fromwithin.com/liquidmidi/

it is a good page.

But as I read on liquid midi you can use it properly by setting EXACT AMIGA TIMING... (but then it gives you no possibility on having emulated a quick Amiga)

I hope that Amiga timing for high speed Amigas on UAE could be improved better in order to keep both timing for those music programs such as B&P, and also High resolution with big palette, and mainly to have emulated a very quick Amiga...

Read also this discussion:

http://www.ibiblio.org/emusic-l/back-issues/vol060/issue08.txt

In the point where it was said:

> I was stuuck with problem of having an Amiga's RS232 MIDI interface
> and 386DX with Cubase for Windows. I figured out that Amiga and PC
> had same RS232 ports
[...]
> The problem here is that a standard RS232 MIDI box will not work
> with the "tweaked" serial port described earlier because they
> must be at the same rate.


But I think you can find very useful this page from a discussion of some folks answering to a guy who want to use MIDI under Linux on a Laptop...

http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/251/2000/4/0/3673389/

I hope to be of some help for you,

Bye,

Raffaele
WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road home : Comment 4 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 04-Apr-2003 10:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Raffaele):
"
Why Amiga interfaces have in-out and THRU MIDI connections and PC interfaces (and modern also) have only midi in-out? "

Because you are using the wrong PC interfaces?

Strangely enough, evey PC MIDI interface I have ever used has had in, out and thru.
WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road home : Comment 5 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by Pitur on 04-Apr-2003 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Raffaele):
Hi,


Thanks for the replies, will check all that out...

> What does it mean ***NO*** UAE? Do you want to use your midi port in Amiga environment onto UAE, or does it must be used into PC Win environment???

Sorry, that was a typo... was supposed to be 'on' UAE. or 'in', or 'with', whatever :-)

So I would have liked to run Music-X in UAE, with my Amiga serial midi interface, on a PC. Amiga serial ports are not the same as PC ones, but apparently UAE can rout the midi data to a PC midi interface. Brilliant :-)I'll see if that works for Music-X...

With 'noisy' I meant that my A4000 physically makes a lot of noise, which is not good in a soundstudio environment. So that's why I would like to set it up on my laptop, since that makes no noise at all, and I use it for recording purposes anyway. But I am still somewhat attached (yes there's an emotional factor too, but quite simply Music-X is sooooo easy to use...) to my Amiga tools, so just looking for the best of both worlds really...

> Why Amiga interfaces have in-out and THRU MIDI connections and PC interfaces (and modern also) have only midi in-out?

I wouldn't know... I know there are a lot of PC interfaces which do have them, but all the standard ones that come with sound cards are just In and Out. If you want Thru, pay more I guess :-)

I do have to admit I never actually needed to use the Thru ports...

Cheers,

Pitur.
WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road home : Comment 6 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 04-Apr-2003 11:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Pitur):
I believe it’s the power out pines that is missing on PC serial interface, I might be wrong you may need to make some adapter, and you may need provide power from some where else,

If you manage to re-route the extra wires then it should work, if emulation is working like it should.
WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road home : Comment 7 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 04-Apr-2003 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Pitur):
Pitur you wrote:

>Amiga serial ports are not the same as PC ones

yes but you can easily made a connection interface just to connect your midi port by passing CORRECT VOLTAGE INPUT in order to provide power to the interface.

As you see into pages I suggested you, one of the folks speaking, was telling how he managed this task by providing power supply using interface of an old pc mouse-pen-video.

Another problem is to set the speed of the PC serial interface to 31250 BPS instead of 38400 BPS, but I think you can joke into the Windows Registry to add this item.
(I didn't check about this statement I made, so don't blame me, I just think it is possible - AND AT YOUR OWN RISK)

***Or at least, it become available, and ready to be set, when you teach the system that a generic MIDI port is connected to the COM Port!!!***

Maybe someone on ANN who knows more about PC Hardware could help you in achieve that task.
WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road home : Comment 8 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 04-Apr-2003 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Pitur):
About noise problems:

You wrote:

>With 'noisy' I meant that my A4000 physically makes a lot of noise, which is not good in a soundstudio environment.

Ah, now I understand. For a strange reason I believed your Amiga leave hardware noise on the connections...

Here some suggestions:

Maybe you can leave your Amiga phisically out of the studio and connect it only by wire,

or,

Put the 4000 into a closed box (like it happened for some printer box in the early 24pin printer Era) in order to prevent noise.

or,

reduce the noise by using Cooling Fan with Noise Reduction and improve HD with more recent models...

I have a friend who put a 120gig eide into is Amiga by using a mini card who change IDE signal to SCSI.

This card avoids problem of IDE speed on Amiga because it links IDE HDs into the SCSI chain (with all the benefits you can imagine) and more this friend of mine has a now a modern and very quiet HD.
WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road home : Comment 9 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 04-Apr-2003 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Raffaele):
Either get some old soundcard with an MPU401 compatible controller on (two soundcards can coexist if they're PCI), or i'm pretty sure i've seen MIDI->USB adapters for sale.

What soundcard are you using on the PC ? If it's an SB Live and it doesn't have MIDI on the back panel, there's usually a daughterboard you can get for them that provides it. Don't know about the Audigy though.
WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road home : Comment 10 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Apr-2003 18:44 GMT
> increased compatibility/display corruption fixes Future CAPS releases, TerrorPods, Eliminator, Double Dragon 2, Wild Streets, Liverpool, Banshee AGA, Alien Breed 3D, Skeleton Krew...

I whish there was a WinUAE version that would stop being concerned about all these obsolete games and concentrate on speed and fine-tuning serious existing problems, such as the file system (links for Windows file system, if that's possible). Another example: since 0.8.17, every single version has had mouse pointer problems (with a tablet, the mouse control just "feels" wrong: it's not the direct hard control that you get under Windows and DirectX, there is a certain lack of directness - my guess is they try to emulate a real mouse/CIA instead of feeding mouse events from Windows directly into AmigaOS). Until then, I'll stick with 0.8.17.
WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road home : Comment 11 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by Jope on 05-Apr-2003 05:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Please email Toni Wilen a polite suggestion instead of bringing it up here, where he probably won't see it.

WinUAE's main concern is 100% hardware emulation, however, so it may never be what you want.
WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road home : Comment 12 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Apr-2003 06:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Raffaele):
"Another problem is to set the speed of the PC serial interface to 31250 BPS instead of 38400 BPS, but I think you can joke into the Windows Registry to add this item."

At least some MIDI gear will accept the "wrong" speed. I have a Yamaha MU10 module which has a switch for either the correct speed or the wrong speed, marked PC1 and PC2. This connects directly to a serial port (Amiga or PC) and acts as a MIDI adaptor as well as outputting sound.

That model is discontinued but there may be current models with the same features.

I haven't tried it with UAE.
WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road home : Comment 13 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 07-Apr-2003 07:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Raffaele):
Under dos in Windows 2000 (cmd.exe)

Mode com1 <speed>,<Parity>,<data bits>,<stop bits>
WinUAE 0.8.22 R6 on the road home : Comment 14 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 08-Apr-2003 02:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Don Cox):
Don Cox answered to a statement I made,

saying:

R>>"Another problem is to set the speed of the PC serial interface
R>>to 31250 BPS instead of 38400 BPS,
R>>but I think you can joke into the Windows Registry
R>>to add this item."

D>At least some MIDI gear will accept the "wrong" speed.
D>I have a Yamaha MU10 module which has a switch for either the correct speed
D>or the wrong speed, marked PC1 and PC2.
D>This connects directly to a serial port (Amiga or PC) and acts as a MIDI
D>adaptor as well as outputting sound.
D>
D>That model is discontinued but there may be current models
D>with the same features.

Don, do you know if the MIDI Interfaces do act as modems when connected to a PC?

If answer is "YES", then Speed parameter of the SERIAL port (COM1, COM2, Etc.) will only handle communications between the computer and the MIDI interface, and not interfere with data transfer to and from any MIDI device connected to MIDI interface...

Or perhaps is a (Vital) question of timing (based on by speed at 31250 BpS) that all MIDI queue MUST accomply?

(i.e. all queue = PC + MIDI port + MIDI device1 + MIDI device2 = ALL 31250)

or is it possible:

(PC + MIDI port = 38400/57600 <-*AND*-> MIDI port + MIDI device1 + MIDI device2 = 31250)

Can anyone solve my doubt???

Thanks in anticipations

Bye,

Raffaele
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