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[Web] Snoqualmie Pegasos User Group webpage online!ANN.lu
Posted on 06-Apr-2003 07:09 GMT by tronman (Edited on 2003-04-06 16:26:14 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä)39 comments
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SnoPUG webpage is now online and available for public consumption! Greetings everyone! The Snoqualmie Pegasos User Group (SnoPUG) webpage is now online! Point that browser to www.snopug.org and check it out! And, if you are in the Northwestern United States and are using a Pegasos and/or MorphOS, please feel free to join up! This page has been tested with V on MOS, Netscape 4.7x and Mozilla on the Mac and Windows and it works in all these places. Please note, however, that the page has many modern, CSS dependant features which obviously require a more modern browser to view.

I look forward to seeing you there!

Thanks

Tronman!
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Posted by Palpatine on 06-Apr-2003 05:26 GMT
Hey Tronman,

Nice site and great initiative! It's a little far for me to join a club meeting as described, but who knows - someday?

Cheers,
Ron
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Posted by bbrv on 06-Apr-2003 06:14 GMT
Great job Bolton!

Thanks for your support.

Best regards,

Raquel and Bill
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Posted by nOw2 on 06-Apr-2003 09:14 GMT
Nice site, and it actually works properly in Amiga/MorphOS web browsers..

One point:

"About MorphOS

MorphOS is a modern, microkernel architecture based operating system. Based upon the QNX Quark Microkernel"

QNX?
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Posted by Xeyes on 06-Apr-2003 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (nOw2):
http://www.qnx.com/search/?query=quark&sitesection=qnx&number=0&x=13&y=12

typo?
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 06-Apr-2003 09:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Xeyes):
The QNX microkernel is named Neutrino, and MorphOS does NOT use that, does it?

There's a limited amount of ways to program a microkernel, so there might be some influences between them (I would certainly hope so, because otherwise there's a huge amoune of wheels being reinvented all the time :-) ). But Quark does not equal Neutrino, I think...
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Apr-2003 09:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Ole-Egil):
I only wait for a Samface/catohagen comment that they obviously stole Neutrinoand renamed it Quark. You know, the whole MOS = Linux with Amiga emulator stuff...;-)
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 06-Apr-2003 10:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
Heh, and then a bunch of MOS fanatics would start going on and on about how QNX is nothing but "The Name Inc" ;-)

Nah, let's not go there. On a totally different note, I think Quark is a funny word. Try saying it fast 3 times :-)

Quark Quack Quack. Ribbit. Quaaaaaaark.
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Apr-2003 10:49 GMT
Are McEwen und his gal Fleecy already members there, then? ;)
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Posted by Don Cox on 06-Apr-2003 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ole-Egil):
It seems odd to use the word "Quark" when it is already so well known as the name of a company selling the leading DTP program.
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 06-Apr-2003 11:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Don Cox):
There's also a limited number of good names. This is rapidly becoming a problem on the internet. Some day every word in the english language will be used as some sort of buzzword ;-)
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Posted by Don Cox on 06-Apr-2003 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Ole-Egil):
For kernels, why not use names of nuts, like Hazel, Walnut, Pecan, Brazil, Almond, Cashew, Pistachio ...

Only Pine is already in use (for an email program?) AFAIK.
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Posted by Douglas McLaughlin on 06-Apr-2003 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (bbrv):
> Great job Bolton!
> Thanks for your support.
> Best regards,
> Raquel and Bill

Bolton Peck! Hahahahahahahahaha!!!

This explains sooooooooo much!

Oh this is rich! There's only one member of this user group!
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Posted by David Scheibler on 06-Apr-2003 13:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Douglas McLaughlin):
>Oh this is rich!

I'm sure he would be happy if he was rich too.
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 06-Apr-2003 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (David Scheibler):
You sure about that? Being rich tends to bring a lot of new problems (cocain, sneaky females who only want your money, etc). :-)

Let's face it. It's not a life for nerds. :-)
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Posted by reflect on 06-Apr-2003 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Douglas McLaughlin):
Eh, ofcourse there is one member. I've recently started a usergroup myself together with a friend in August 2002. When we started, we were two members. What is so strange with that? After it is announced, people joins, we're currently up at 25 members (Although our usergroup is more general).
That's usually how it works, you know, unless some of your friends join before you go public with the whole thing.
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 06-Apr-2003 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (reflect):
Well, going public with one member is a bit much. The difference between 1 and 2 people is 3dB, you know :-)
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Posted by André Siegel on 06-Apr-2003 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Don Cox):
Brazil is the name of a professional global illumination rendering solution for the Wintel platform.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-Apr-2003 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Ole-Egil):
> There's also a limited number of good names. This is rapidly becoming a
> problem on the internet. Some day every word in the english language will be
> used as some sort of buzzword ;-)

... then there is allways words in other languages too. Have you ever visited an IKEA store for instance?
:-)

And some companies (none mentioned in particular) that uses different Greek words on their products ...
;-)
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Posted by [JC] on 06-Apr-2003 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Don Cox):
A "Quark" is the base element that atoms are made of, so it's a pretty sensible (and uncopyrightable) name :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Apr-2003 16:14 GMT
> Are McEwen und his gal Fleecy already members there, then?

Nah they are on their PR website Amiga World with the rest of the Amiga Klu Klux Klan, visit the site to cream your undies over rigged Fleecy Q&As
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Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 06-Apr-2003 16:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (takemehomegrandma):
>... then there is allways words in other languages too. Have you ever visited an IKEA store for instance?

Nopes... but the fact that I work for Isku may have something to do with it :)
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Posted by STRICQ on 06-Apr-2003 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
> Nah they are on their PR website Amiga World with the rest of the Amiga Klu
> Klux Klan, visit the site to cream your undies over rigged Fleecy Q&As

Yes, that's right. If you know that you have no proof and no logically valid arguments then you are always only left with a single course of action: Insults.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 06-Apr-2003 16:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (STRICQ):
Why don't you just ignore such anonymous claims? It gives them credit if you
reply.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 06-Apr-2003 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Example: I can say that I don't like AmigaWorld for this and that reason.
(Fact: I do not like it). I am a member there and I do not like it, contentwise.
Yet, I post with my name, I state my opinion as a person.
Ignore anything like that anonymous comment.
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 06-Apr-2003 17:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (STRICQ):
STRICQ typed:
> Anonymous typed:
>> Nah they are on their PR website Amiga World with the rest of the Amiga
>> Klu Klux Klan...
> Yes, that's right. If you know that you have no proof and no logically
> valid arguments then you are always only left with a single course of
> action: Insults.

I agree, and man I thought I had seen it all but this is a new low to
refer to Amiga Inc. hardliners as the Ku Klux Klan. Whoever that is,
they don't represent Pegasos and MorphOS users. BBRV already came out
against all the bickering. I feel like quoting Rodney King or something.

As for the actual topic: SnoPUG has a nice, positive website. This is
what we need to rebuild the community and bring it back. I guess SnoPUG
is the first North American Pegasos users group. Good job.
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 06-Apr-2003 18:46 GMT
Fantastic - finally a site not made some lame web-duh-signer!
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Apr-2003 18:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 ([JC]):
> A "Quark" is the base element that atoms are made of, so it's a pretty sensible (and uncopyrightable) name :)

It's also the name of soft creamy acid-cured cheese.
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Posted by samface on 06-Apr-2003 20:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
Huh? I guess you're just trying to be funny but... I really do think you put me in the wrong context there. "MorphOS = Linux with Amiga emulator stuff"? I know very little about the Quark and it's internal workings, and not once have I ever claimed otherwise. If you want to have a laugh at my expense, it's fine with me, just as long as it's for the right reasons.
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Posted by Dagon on 06-Apr-2003 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Don Cox):
[quote]For kernels, why not use names of nuts, like Hazel, Walnut, Pecan, Brazil, Almond, Cashew, Pistachio ...[/quote]

Kernel is the german word for nucleus.
MorphOS uses a microkernel, so what`s best from using the name of the particles that the nucleus is consisted.
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Posted by Tronman on 07-Apr-2003 04:13 GMT
Hi everyone, I thank you for the positive feedback. I'm glad you like the site-that's probably why I didn't design it myself ;-) Credit must go to Dijidesign.com, www.dijidesign.com for that. He's also (for now) a one man show..

Here's a quote from the Morphos-news.de page which explains a bit about MorphOS, and which mentions the QNX Quark Microkernel:

The Structure of MorphOS

The MorphOS System is based around the minimalist Quark microkernel. On top of the kernel are currently two "Boxes" the first, currently in the final stages of development is the A-Box, the second box currently in
development is the significantly more advanced Q-Box.

At the time of writing (November 2002) most development has focused on the A-Box but considerable design work has been done on the Q-Box.

The A-Box can run Amiga RTG (Re-Targetable Graphics) applications as it includes a complete PowerPC native clean-room reimplementation of version 3.1 of the Amigas' Operating System (herein AOS) and a JIT (Just In
Time compiler) based 68K emulator.

The Q-Box on the other hand shall be new and will require it's own applications, but by including compatibility with Amiga applications through the A-Box, MorphOS is able to start with an existing, mature application base while
the Q-Box is in development.

It is also possible that in the future other boxes may be added allowing compatibility with applications from other operating systems. Possibilities here are to add Unix / Linux and BeOS application compatibility. It should
however be noted that these are only possibilities at this point and various issues have to be considered before adding compatibility for these systems.

And yes, Doug, there is currently only myself as a member but I went public with the intention of changing that, eh ;-) I'd like to see more folks using MOS, and provide whatever resources I can to help them do so.
So, since you seem to know me, do tell from where I know you?

Again, thanks everyone for the positive feedback!

Tronman!
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 07-Apr-2003 04:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Tronman):
Perhaps you need glasses?

I dont see any mention of QNX there.
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Posted by tronman on 07-Apr-2003 06:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
'...based on the minimalist Quark microkernel' Quark being a QNX product. :-)
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Posted by Golem on 07-Apr-2003 07:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (tronman):
Uh? Are you thinking of Neutrino?
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 07-Apr-2003 08:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (takemehomegrandma):
Yeah, IKEA. I know :-)

I gotta get me one of them Lars or Henrik or Olle or Lina to sit on ;-)

Nah, I like my living room without firstnames for every item, thank you...
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 07-Apr-2003 08:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Golem):
I've already stated that.

tronman, Quark does NOT equal Neutrino, so I think you should fess up and edit your page :-)

This is meant only as a friendly warning.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 07-Apr-2003 09:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (tronman):
Ehm, Quark has *NOTHING* to do with QNX, it's not derived, based or influenced
from it.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 07-Apr-2003 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
The design goals and realization seems to be quite similar though ...
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Posted by Lando on 07-Apr-2003 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Tronman):
>And yes, Doug, there is currently only myself as a member but I
>went public with the intention of changing that, eh ;-)

I like to hear about new Pegasos/MOS initiatives, but my only misgiving about these user groups is that, with only ~1000 Pegasos's in the "wild" and no Pegasos's currently available to buy, can there be enough users in Snoqualmie to have a Snoqualmie users group? Maybe the launch of the user's group could have been postponed until September and the Pegasos II?

>I'd like to see more folks using MOS

Yes, me too
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Posted by greenboy on 07-Apr-2003 14:22 GMT
Keep up the good work, Tronman!

I got notification that my Pegasos was on its way - can't wait to get it fired up for digital audio and midi work/play starting with the MorphOS version of ProStation Platinum! Among other things - thesse are coming with lots of extra goodies : } ...Most of the people getting them through the Phoenix $299 offer/initiative have already received theirs, or should have gotten notification.

More Pegasos $299 packages with all the goodies will be available to current Phoenix members, incidentally, and that includes User Groups.

Also, BBRV and I have been talking about Yet Another T-shirt Initiative {YATI; } : For all User Group members and leaders who are currently doing MorphOS/Pegasos stuff or would like to be, and want to get support and offers from Genesi and Phoenix. We have a mailing list called PhUG and will be happy to provide web space for your groups, and we want to build support programs with your help and set up some more special offers for all of you ...

But didn't I say T-SHIRT? Yes! We want to ship all you UG people T-shirts - with Genesi graphics on one side and whatever graphics/logo your User Group chooses on the other side.

No coupons required; just email me...
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