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Posted on 08-Apr-2003 09:23 GMT by MikeB (Edited on 2003-04-08 11:49:12 GMT by Christian Kemp)55 comments
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Alan Fisher has written an OSNews guest editorial explaining his views and experiences with various user communities, including some unfortunate experiences with Amiga Community. AmigaOS, well, quite frankly the usergroups in there are fighting against the most viscious breeds of trolls there have ever been, they do answer questions and give out good advice to anyone who asks for help, but for anyone just popping in to ask something, the flame wars in these groups are enough to scare off any protential user, its a shame really because at one point the Amiga's usergroup were one of the Amiga's most possitive aspects about owning one.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 07:30 GMT
MikeB: Crawl back your hole. Please.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 08-Apr-2003 07:47 GMT
Isn't it a shame? Being a troll yourself, you use even this article to advertise a site which ignores/censores any critical opinion.
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Apr-2003 07:52 GMT
Quoting ANN's posting guidelines:
> Your posting should be short, concise and neutral.

I wouldn't call your third paragraph "neutral".
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Posted by MIkeB on 08-Apr-2003 07:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Emeric SH):
I am trying to clear up the misconception stated here on why we have our policies. Like I stated, it's not about being right or wrong with regard to your personal preferences. There seems to be quite alot of fuss and misconception about AmigaWorld here. So this is a way for bring this to your attention.

I don't Christian really wants people to continue to spread nonesense with regard to AmigaWorld. There have been a time when he too created this website because of his love for the platform and user community.
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Posted by MikeB on 08-Apr-2003 08:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Christian Kemp):
> I wouldn't call your third paragraph "neutral".

I clearly added a "My Take:" and thus an opinion, explaining why we have a no trolling/name calling policy at AmigaWorld. However I have seem many rants on here being far from neutral.

IMO within a friendly and constructive enviroment people shouldn't call eachother BAFs, Worshippers or even worse. Like Alan explains such behaviours will frighten new users/visitors.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 08:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (MIkeB):
> I don't Christian really wants people to continue to spread
> nonesense with regard to AmigaWorld.

You have removed perfectly valid posts without any sensible reason, just because you have personal problems with the poster or his opinions.

That is censorship.

I would perfer if you would stay in your own universe now that you have created it...
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Posted by MikeB on 08-Apr-2003 08:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
We already talked about this to a great extend within an earlier thread. At AmigaWorld only 2 comments has been moderated by me so far and I have explained and justified these moderations to great lengths.

There's a good reason why people troll anonymously or behind fake handles, they cannot backup their claims.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 08:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (MikeB):
It didn't happen to me, but a friend. His posts were removed without any reason.
You tell me he is lying?

I have perfectly valid reasons and right to stay anonymous.
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Posted by MikeB on 08-Apr-2003 08:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
And I have lots of friends too, who say this is not true. ;)

Seriously, how can I say if this is true if you don't tell me who this person is. I can tell you that the two people who's comments I have moderated have received extensive feedback on why their comments were moderated.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 08:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (MikeB):
I just don't see any reason my friend would be lying to me about this. Oh well, maybe he has his own agendas.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 08:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
If he is anonymous covard who just tries to start flamewar then it's right his posts are removed.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 08:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Maybe he thinks you belive anything so he just don't care if he lies toi you :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 09:05 GMT
Amigaworld is not a site for all views and opinions but just a single view site which is for Amiga Inc praise and you just have to look at some of the topics to see that Amiga Inc is being hailed like they are gods, anyone that says anything what the admins find to be not Amiga Inc praise they get their comments deleted and a nice warning via PM.

Great site if your a 100% Amiga Inc fan though.
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Posted by MikeB on 08-Apr-2003 09:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
But of course you have no proof. AmigaWorld visitors don't seem to agree with you, neither the AmigaOS, MorphOS or combined supporters amongst our visitors. Constructive criticism is applauded at AmigaWorld, name calling and trolling are not.

Our main focus is AmigaOS however as there is a need for such a website. Only we try to be less exclusive than i.e. MorphOSZone and MorphOS-News which provide similar user community focussed services.
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 09:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (MikeB):
Here is my interpretation of why some ppl are against amigaworld :


MOS-news etc. focuses on MorphOS (so no pb with no refering to OS3.x/OS4/DE...)


Amigaworld focuses on the amiga world BUT excludes some elements which are part of the amiga world.

So AmigaWorld should be renamed to "OS3.X/OS4/DE world" or sth like that. It represents a subset of the amiga world (the ones who don't want to hear about another potential successor of the amigaOS).


But actually, why keep attacking AmigaWorld.net ? Its content is the choice of the webmaster !
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Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Apr-2003 09:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (mahen):
> Amigaworld focuses on the amiga world BUT excludes some elements which are
> part of the amiga world.

Amiga is a brandname for which Amiga Inc paid millions of dollars. Surely support website for regarding Amiga companies have no need to justify itself.

A simple parallel: Coca Cola is a brandname, Pepsi Cola is a brandname. However both are Colas, the brandname is exclusive. Similarly Amiga computers and Pegasos/MorphOS computers are both computers (even compatible to some extend, just like different Colas taste the same), but the brandnames are exclusive.
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Mike Bouma):
for us the Amiga name doesn't mean anything since the death of commodore : it's a thing of the past; that's why I though AmigaWorld meant world of the amigans / amiga users; not AmigaInc world.

But now that you've said it, I think it's clear.

I have no problem with that.

AmigaWorld.net is now officially AmigaIncWorld.net

period !

It's totally legitimate, we have to respect that
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 08-Apr-2003 09:40 GMT
Might want to correct that 'thrown' on the second page.
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Posted by MikeB on 08-Apr-2003 09:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (mahen):
> AmigaWorld.net is now officially AmigaIncWorld.net

We are not AmigaIncWorld. We are AmigaWorld, an user computer portal focussing on the world of *Amiga* computers. Nomatter if a BeBox, Pegasos or Mac, they do not fall under this category.

We do intend to report on all major news which is of interest to Amiga users. That's why we did post a positive and extensive MorphOS review a short while ago. (i.e. I wonder if MorphOS-News and MorphOSZone will do the same if a positive AmigaOS4.x review arrives) However our focus is on AmigaOS and not MorphOS or BeOS or whatever else we may cover.
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 09:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (MikeB):
Well, you kind of play on words :) And me too ;)

AmigaWorld.net is thus the portal of computers of the Amiga brand, but not the portal of amigans who, for most of them, consider they were forgotten by AmigaInc a long time ago.

THIS is the problem : for current amigans, AmigaInc has *nothing* to do with the Amiga of before. Look they want to convert us to this AmigaDE. (contrary to Hyperion which is continuing the real AmigaOS). The AmigaOne is just like the pegasos standard H/W, so nothing to do with was the amiga was.

So, we agree : AmigaWorld is *AmigaInc* related, and not *amiga community* related.

I'm not sure MOS-news should feature a review of OS4 as it focuses on MorphOS only; it's not a news site for amigans; but for MOS users, or amigans particularly interested by MOS...

Anyway, it's just a point of detail; I see no reason attacking amigaworld.net.

The only complaint is that persons only reading amigaworld.net won't be well informed about what really happens; just like ppl only reading MOS news need to reed ann or amiga.org too...
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (MikeB):
anyway, sorry for annoying you with that...

I just think MOS fans are frustrated seeing so many ppl no considering it as a potential future for amigas; and OS4 fans are frustrated having nothing interesting to use with their aone...

So, it's a useless debate; peace everyone :)
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 09:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (mahen):
for amigans I meant
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Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Apr-2003 10:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (mahen):
> AmigaWorld.net is thus the portal of computers of the Amiga brand, but not
> the portal of amigans

You definition of an Amigan may be different from me (which should IMO be possible and allowed). IMO an Amigan is an Amiga user. We also focus on the classic Amiga, any classic Amiga user I also consider to be an Amigan. But for example someone who has never used a classic Amiga before and is now a MorphOS user, I consider to be an "MorphOS user".

Of course there are also ex-Amiga users, just like there are ex-BeOS users, some of which may now use AtheOS. However if BeOS was reintroduced onto the market, the BeOS user community are IMO made up of people using BeOS and not the people who use AtheOS currently, despite they have a BeOS background.
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Mike Bouma):
OK, it's a matter of personal definition.

However, using MOS, I'll always consider myself as part of the Amiga Community, because both are definitely tied together.
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Posted by priest on 08-Apr-2003 10:34 GMT
"for anyone just popping in to ask something, the flame wars in these groups are enough to scare off any protential user, its a shame really because at one point the Amiga's usergroup were one of the Amiga's most possitive aspects about owning one. "

Something to think about and to improve on.
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 10:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (priest):
yep :(

I think it's still true though. The forums fights make a bad impression by are not necessarily representative of the community ? I hope the tensions will drop once OS4 is released (or not).
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Posted by Alex Klauke on 08-Apr-2003 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (mahen):
> THIS is the problem : for current amigans, AmigaInc has *nothing* to do with the Amiga of before

Please stop generalizing. You speak for yourself and only yourself. I am a
current Amigan and I do not necessarily share your opinion. DOT.

AmigaInc. has everthing to do with 'the Amiga'. Not the original Amiga computers
obviously, which is a simple fact, but they lay the path now (and who published
OS 3.5/3.9?). When AmigaInc. says, "Thank you Hyperion, nice work, but now we
develope AmigaOS 5 and following on our own" they are perfectly right in doing
so. You seem to constantly forget that AmigaInc. do own exclusive rights to the
IP and that they started the AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4 PPC projects where they just
outsourced the work on those two to concentrate on 'something completely
different' (<- the Monty quote ;-). Those are the facts.
Whether _you_ like what they are doing does not matter at all. Same for me.
AmigaInc. have taken the helmet and we have to 'live and die' with it. Simple.

> So, we agree : AmigaWorld is *AmigaInc* related, and not *amiga community* related

AmigaWorld _is_ Amiga related. Morhos-news.de and Morphzone.org _are_ MorphOS/
Pegasos related. Yes, quite everyone now in the MorphOS 'camp' has begun as
Amigan and I would yet call them so, but now there is an Amiga direction and
a MorphOs direction. AmigaWorld covers the former (and of course the past),
Morphos-news.de/Morphzone.org the latter. Whether one can have a problem with
that is beyond me. Seriously.

Again: MorphOS _IS NOT_ Amiga. Never was, for whatever reasons does not matter in retrospective. Its a spin off. It has its own merits and I like seeing its
progress, but for now I 'lean' towards the Amiga direction (waiting for an
AmigaOne XE-G4), which does not neglect my interest in sometimes getting a Peg
II. Don't call me BAF that for.

So could we please stop this cross-bashing the other side and personally
insulting people who only wanna serve the community. That's what is annoying.
Yes, Mike Bouma should somtimes try to make a better distinction between facts
and opinion and even for me he somtimes seems to be overly optimistic. But _I_
think I can seperate quite well between bare facts and personal opinions. Many
people don't seem to do that and a news writer should take that into account.

But then again, what has this discussion to do with the OSNews editiorial? ;-)

Ciao, Alex
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Posted by samface on 08-Apr-2003 11:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Alex Klauke):
100% Agreed.
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Posted by dammy on 08-Apr-2003 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (MIkeB):
Mike would you PLEASE shut up about your web site? I'm getting so sick and tired of you coming over here to advertise. If your such dire need for people to go read that lump of crap, go PAY for advertising space.

Your follow up post is a perfect example of your blatant attempt to advertise never-neverland. First you setup the OSNews link, which your associated with and one of the reasons I now seldom visit OSNews because of that fact, then you do follow up posts dragging in never-neverland into the thread.

I got to hand it to ANN crew, I would have never put up with your crap as long as they have. I would have banned you long ago for multiple offenses against ANN. This blatant attempt to advertise and to screw ANN (as you've been doing over at Amiga.org) out of revenues that normal people would be willing to pay for advertising of their site.

Mike, you like to brag alot about yourself, especially on how well paid you are but your too cheap to pay for advertising on here, why is that?

Dammy
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Posted by dammy on 08-Apr-2003 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (samface):
If you agree so much Samface, why don't you just boycott this and Amiga.org?

Dammy
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Alex Klauke):
Agreed.

The ScorpionKing The Movie is a spinoff from the MummyReturns as the ScorpionKing was featured in the MummyReturns.


That does not make The ScorpionKing The Movie= MummyReturns/MummyReturn2/MummyReturnsNG in anyway shape or form.
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Posted by cheesegrate on 08-Apr-2003 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Mike Bouma):
Amiga is Amiga is a brandnamea brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandnameAmiga is a brandname

one word BullShit!
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Alex Klauke):
To me MorphOS is much more amiga related than "OS5".

To me Amiga Inc did much much less for the amiga than the MOS team.

But you're right, it's just my opinion !
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (mahen):
oh well anyway, I'm sorry for taking part in those useless discussions :(
This leads nowhere.

But I really don't think we can be proud of what AmigaInc has done so far. We can only praise Hyperion for OS4, after all the lies from McEwen.
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Posted by cheesegrate on 08-Apr-2003 13:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (mahen):
>>We can only praise Hyperion for OS4
yep when it's released for the teron mb, not some crappy buggy cyberstorm alpha when mos is giving away a vastly more refined product )for these products that were developed by bplan engineers for free)
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 13:16 GMT
FFS! Even a post complaining about flaming causes flaming!

For what it's worth, I too find that general requests for help are well received, but there are far too many zealots and trolls fighting their own pointless battles on these pages.

Get a grip please!
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 13:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (cheesegrate):
well, we can't say yet. We have seen nothing of OS4 yet. Why don't we just wait silently ? (and enjoy our new pegasoses/MOS & A1s/linux)
OSNews: Psychology of an OS Zealot : Comment 38 of 55ANN.lu
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling
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Posted by Ketzer on 08-Apr-2003 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (mahen):
You fail to notice that morphos/pergasos is not an amiga - and no, I dont care what you think it feels like. Its not even an emulator, its just binary compatible by chance, if I ought to believe some certain persons.
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Posted by cheesegrate on 08-Apr-2003 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Ketzer):
>>its just binary compatible by chance
you must be insane my dear sir
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Ketzer):
?! ?!
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Ketzer):
scary, really :( You never saw one apparently.
(I never said MOS is an Amiga, but it's the same to the user)
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Posted by [JC] on 08-Apr-2003 14:51 GMT
What I see is the following.

Pegasos/MorphOS:

* Exists
* Is usable and somewhat stable (not bugfree, but what is these days)
* Runs Amiga 3.x Apps and will possibly run 4.0 apps
* Has available programming SDK's
* The hardware is well designed, and now it has been found that the Artica is not suitable, it is being replaced.
* Supply problems are primarily down to MAI not delivering the chip (another reason for the redesign)
* Genesi are trying hard to deliver what they've promised to deliver, and have made good on this to some extent

AmigaONE/AmigaOS 4:

* Hardware exists, a rehash of an evaluation board
* No OS yet, and no positive evidence of one apart from the word of Hyperion and some screenshots may or may not be false.
* Year after year after year of lies from Amiga INC, and to me, seems like they're still lying and not delivering what they promise.


(I was an Amiga user and supporter from 1994-2000 before any accusations of "Peecee Lamer" follow)

Those are unbiased facts. I don't support one system or the other. Sure, I am being paid to develop Divinity for MorphOS, but it is for exactly that reason - I am being paid for it.

Both "camps" want to fucking get lives and stop living with blinkers on.
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 ([JC]):
[JC]

THANKS for bringing Divine Divinity ! :)
Can't wait to buy 10 copies of it ;) ;)


sorry for this off-topic
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 ([JC]):
You're right.

Let's stop thinking in camps.


- MOS user looking forward to OS4
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (mahen):
>Let's stop thinking in camps.

Exactly, let everyone focus their hate on MikeB, a common cause!
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Apr-2003 15:19 GMT
Remember people - visiting amigaworld means supporting it, as well as the people behind it, the values they stand for and their actions taken.
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Posted by mahen on 08-Apr-2003 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (takemehomegrandma):
what do you mean ?
OSNews: Psychology of an OS Zealot : Comment 49 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 08-Apr-2003 17:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (mahen):
U used to be so polite, what happened to you!?
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Posted by pixie on 08-Apr-2003 17:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (mahen):
You can't consider your view more legitimate then others, could you"? Are you now saying what Amiga is!?
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