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[News] Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix membersANN.lu
Posted on 08-Apr-2003 14:07 GMT by Christophe Decanini (Edited on 2003-04-08 17:31:32 GMT by Christophe Decanini)70 comments
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Bill Buck sent us this message: " For immediate release....

Genesi Sarl will offer up to 20 more Pegasos I machines with the April2 patch to Phoenix members for $299 through the Pegasos-USA website. 
This offer includes:

-- the Pegasos mainboard and G3 600MHZ CPU module
-- an ATX backplate
-- MorphOS 1.3 CD 
-- MorphOS Games: Birdie Shoot, Feeble Files, Tales of Tamar, Software
Tycoon 
-- ProStationAudio Titanium
-- DebianPPC for Pegasos with Mac-on-Linux
-- a MorphOS "We have a Present for You" t-shirt
-- two stickers for your case
-- A4 connector guide

Other Extras and updates will be distributed through the new Pegasos 
User
FTP. You will also to be subscribed to the very useful, supportive, and
positive Pegasos User Mailing List.

These are ALL new boards.  Recycled Betatester boards are being used
internally in Genesi ONLY. If you are unable to use the Pegasos-USA 
website,
please contact Thierry at tvelasco@genesi.lu to coordinate a direct 
wire
transfer to Genesi.

Sincerely,

Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck
Genesi
"
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 1 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by amigamad on 08-Apr-2003 12:23 GMT
big deal a whole 20
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 2 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Apr-2003 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (amigamad):
Yes, it IS a big deal, it means that I'll get a board.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 3 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 08-Apr-2003 12:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (amigamad):
Since you posted what you already posted on Amiga.org, I'll do the same : }}} :

Nothing wrong with 20 more boards in addition to the hundreds that have already shipped, nothing wrong with making more and more included software available for all those who have gotten boards previously (more to come!), nothing wrong with throwing in more T-shirts and stickers. It's good to see people getting happy about developing, starting user groups, coding demos...

And nothing wrong with properly funded ventures.


<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 4 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by david on 08-Apr-2003 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (greenboy):
Here, here !!

I wish these sore losers would go away !!
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 5 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Apr-2003 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (david):
Who? Genesi? :)

Nah, just kidding here, but still, the total number of machines does not make a valid platform, it's still way too early to celebrate, once the cap of 20000 is passed, then you can start thinking about a microscopic platform, once the cap of 200000 is passed, then you're getting somewhere, and get even further & you might even show up on M$'s radar (wether that's a good thing or not, i do not know)

But as it is now, MOS is still as "big" as AOS3.x, it's a microbe in the world of computing

(This isn't meant to be negative, the same is valid for AOS4 when it comes out, it's just that you have to keep an eye on reality too you know)

Amon_Re
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 6 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 08-Apr-2003 13:22 GMT
20 more boards and if even a few of them are active and interested developers...
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 7 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 08-Apr-2003 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Amon_Re):
Amon_Re, you are right of course, but we have to start somewhere...;-)

Pegasos I users will help us get the Pegasos II with the Marvell northbridge ready. Plus, we will deliver the first 5000 Pegasos STBs this year....step by step.

Best regards,
Raquel and Bill
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 8 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 08-Apr-2003 13:45 GMT
i think press releases usally uses "For immediate release"
and not "For immediately release"
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 9 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 08-Apr-2003 13:50 GMT
is the Arexx replacement finished for Morphos ?

How are the arexx part of the OS and utilities solved ? required to buy OS3.9 to copy over Sys:rexxc/rx to the morphos partition ?
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 10 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 08-Apr-2003 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (bbrv):
A special low price offer for developers has to be a good thing. And you get a motherboard and CPU for not much more than the price of PSA on its own.

You can only gain developers or users one by one. If this offer adds three more programs to the platform, that will help. I still think that any sensible developer will code for as many kinds of Amiga and Amiga-like computer as possible.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 11 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by amigamad on 08-Apr-2003 14:14 GMT
Pegasos are useless machines with a crappy beta OS, no wonder they are giving away so many goodies.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 12 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (amigamad):
> Pegasos are useless machines with a crappy beta OS

Do you mean Linux or Morphos ? AOS1 seems to ship with the same crappy OS ;)
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 13 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Apr-2003 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (amigamad):
People like you destroyed the Amiga community. Shut up.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 14 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Jose on 08-Apr-2003 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (amigamad):
Yes it is true, they are giving stuff with the board to make the blind MorphOS followers think they are a good company.

MorphOS is a dead project and i will wait for the AmigaONE and OS4 to come out and destroy MorphOS for good.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 15 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 08-Apr-2003 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (amigamad):
amigamad is a useless human with a crappy beta brain
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 16 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 08-Apr-2003 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Jose):
jose please go back to the amiga.com forum with your usual posts of os4 for g5 and other such claptrap
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 17 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Apr-2003 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Jose):
Right... As if you know anything about any of the sides... You know absolutely
nothing.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 18 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 08-Apr-2003 14:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
He is not apart of the Amiga Community, but the Amiga Kommunity.

Dammy
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 19 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 08-Apr-2003 14:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (amigamad):
Still making the rounds from Amiga.org eh? So once again I'll do the same and paste essentially the same reply:

If MorphOS is to be called a beta it is a remarkably good one for early adopters. And the hardware is immaculate; I expect it to work for a looooong time as a result.

Something not quite right because a company wants to provide good value and realizes it must, to have a growth future in a competitive marketplace? (Even for the geek niche this is surely true.)

No: things are as right as they can be, all things considered. Genesi wants to do well, and it is taking steps to make early adopters, geeks, developers happy, and to deal with setbacks constructively. And there is a certain generous spirit, I think, that informs this.


<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 20 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Apr-2003 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (amigamad):
BTW! MorphOS is already at version 1.3. The first Amiga 1000s came with AOS0.9b.
*THAT* was a beta.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 21 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 08-Apr-2003 14:49 GMT
Why you even bother to feed and comment such obvious trolls as amigamads.. leave him be. With good luck he will go have a wank in toilet and leave us all alone for three minutes.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 22 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Apr-2003 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (bbrv):
@ BBRV

It would be interesting to how many Pegasos1 boards in total that has been produced and shipped this far?
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 23 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by CaptainFrank on 08-Apr-2003 15:11 GMT
Morphos is killing you Amiga bit by bit and it will end with no OS4 and Morphos stuck in beta status.

Stop supporting morphos and Pegasus before the Amiga is finally killed off for good.

Support Amigaone and OS4 and please do not purchase a pegasus.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 24 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 08-Apr-2003 15:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (catohagen):
No, the ARexx reimplementation is not finished yet (and will not be for a while yet) .. however all the executables are now (RXLIB/RXSET/RX/etc), including rexxsupport.library, so no, you will not have to buy the legally dubious OS3.9...

Until then however you will have to use your legally obtained copy (either bought directly from Hawes, or the one that comes with 3.1) of RexxMast and rexxsyslib.library if you want a fully working ARexx...


- CISC
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 25 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (david):
>Here, here !! Where, where ??
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 26 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 08-Apr-2003 15:46 GMT
@takemehomegrandma and everyone else...;-)

We will have 600+ Pegasos I machines out there when this current production is fully distributed and all the exchanges have been made. In the meanwhile, MorphOS continues to be increasing useful. It is stable now and it is hardly in "beta," as someone suggested. What we are doing with this offer is continuing to entice intelligent computer-literate people to use the machine and help us to make it better. That is the simple reason for the offer we have made. Plus, we are tuning the infrastructure to support REAL sales to a broad market through the Internet. We need REAL people to use the system to do that. This applies to MorphOS too.

Our focus for MorphOS today is to add functionality and improve the spectrum of applications that work well with the OS and the Pegasos platform. All this effort accumulates and sums to the introduction of the Pegasos II and the Pegasos STB. The Pegasos II will be a very functional, alternative PPC platform that will continue to be attractively priced. We believe it will draw widespread interest. It will work with more than MorphOS. So, even if the Pegasos was purchased to run a version of Linux, BeOS, BSD or whatever, it will also come with MorphOS and MorphOS WILL be driven into the market. Further, the STB will be a scaled down version of the Pegasos that will be well tuned to leverage small footprint of MorphOS.

The development platform for the Pegasos II and the Pegasos STB is the Pegasos I. For us this is a good basic plan and one that is being implemented today...now! Those that want to be involved can be, those that do not want to be involved do not have to be. Neither side needs to throw mud. We can coexist here and in other places. From the MorphOS and the Pegasos side we have called a truce to this fighting a couple of months ago. We are focused on the future. Please join us if you find the $299 a good offer...:-D

Best regards,
Raquel and Bill
Genesi
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 27 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Captain Highliner on 08-Apr-2003 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (CaptainFrank):
@ CaptainFrank

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR matey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Morphos is killing you Amiga bit by bit and it will end with no OS4 and Morphos stuck in beta status.

You are right it WILL end with no OS4!!!!!!!!


> Stop supporting morphos and Pegasus before the Amiga is finally killed off for good.

:P

Why have AmigaInc stopped supporting the Amiga market? They cant even mail out a bunch of lousy t-shirts, and their webmaster pockets the money from HIS paypal account and postalbox in the USA (AmigaInc don't have a REAL street address!).

For all we know, as THE Amiga.com webmaster HE could be posing as fleecy@amiga.com and making up all those ASK FLEECY CRAP question and answers.

> Support Amigaone and OS4 and please do not purchase a pegasus.

Why do I want to buy an overpriced Linux box designed by a company MAI who not know asbsolutely NOTHING about what Amiga is or how to make one?

I will buy whatever hardware I WANT to buy, so if it is a Pegasos then so be it!
You wont stop me, you foolish opinion only makes me want a Pegasos system more!
NEVER!!! BWAHAHAHAHAAHAH... USA USA USA!!!

I be crazyman, ja?
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 28 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 08-Apr-2003 15:59 GMT
ja
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 29 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by realize on 08-Apr-2003 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Hooligan/DCS):
Once again people cant help but hate MOS and Genesi.. Its really pigheaded. But, we've (the Amiga community) have had our share of loonies. We are not known as level headed computer people - which is good :p However, this insanity must stop. Why cant you support BOTH AOS4 and MOS? I for one have a Peg and a Cyberstorm 4000T which will run OS4 whenever it comes out. Here are some facts:

1. Genesi has some money Ainc does not

2. Genesi has kept all its promises to the community

3. Genesi has spent money on the community

4. They have delivered a working OS product to the public

5. They are great with customer relations and have a decent support network

6. The Phoenix deal was a steal!

Keep it up guys!
:)

BTW Lets get that FTP up with PSA, MOS1.3 ISO, and Debian!
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 30 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 16:33 GMT
Now you cant tell me that there are no Genesi worshipers in here.

Oh but its OK to be Worship Genesi.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 31 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 08-Apr-2003 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (realize):
Actually I am classic Amiga and MOS user so better to target somewhere else .. :)

but I like to see how OS4 starts off.. maybe even get myself A1/OS4 to replace my second pc. Future will tell, now I play with Pegasos/MOS for some time.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 32 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 08-Apr-2003 16:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
I don't know of worshipers.. but eager people with a NEW Amiga-like Operation System to play with, unlike you.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 33 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 16:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Hooligan/DCS):
But i dont care for Amigalike cos i have the real thing :).

If i cared for that new Amigalike i would of bought that Amigalike.

Im waiting for the realthing.

Im not intrested in cheaper imaitions.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 34 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Hooligan/DCS):
But i dont care for Amigalike cos i have the real thing :).

If i cared for that new Amigalike i would of bought that Amigalike.

Im waiting for the realthing.

Im not intrested in cheaper imitation  .
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 35 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 08-Apr-2003 16:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
Im also waiting for the real thing, but I have open mind, free time and a new hobby with a "cheaper imitation" :)
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 36 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 08-Apr-2003 17:07 GMT
"-- DebianPPC for Pegasos with Mac-on-Linux"#


OMG ! are you really saying pegasos users are that stupid they can't add a mac-on-linux source to their sources.list ??!? ;)

Seriously tho , adding individual debs to a system isn't that clever ..

/me see's a huge dependencies mess for testing/unstable systems that change alot.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 37 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Frank on 08-Apr-2003 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (amigamad):
I should not even post to this as I've stopped posting since quite a while, but since you've mentioned the stuff that they're giving away, aren't quite a few people waiting for those t-shirts from Amiga Inc? I mean, come one, they can't even ship a few t-shirts, how serious do you think they are? (I'm talking about AInc, not Hyperion)
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 38 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Xtacy on 08-Apr-2003 18:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (CaptainFrank):
YES YES !!! DON'T BUY A PEGASOS !!! AMIGA FANS !! PLEASE DON'T BUY A PEGASOS !!!! PLLLEEEEEEAAAASSSSSEEEEEEE !!!!

If not there won't be enough collector-April2 Pegasos board for REAL PEGASOS FANS !!!

MUAH HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA !!! ^o^!

Xtacy. Make the Pegasos yours.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 39 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Apr-2003 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (bbrv):
@ BBRV

It would be cool if the PegasosTwo motherboards would have the same TV features as the STB's, both hardware wize and software wize. That would also make sense if you want to improve the developer momentum for future STB's.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 40 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Xtacy on 08-Apr-2003 18:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (bbrv):
"Please join us if you find the $299 a good offer..."

Not only it is a good offer but it is also only a 20-boards offer. So it is a limited offer. First in, first out with a Pegasos board ! Last in....last out WITHOUT any board. ^_^!

Xtacy. Make the Pegasos yours.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 41 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Xtacy on 08-Apr-2003 18:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
OK then be prepared to but a REAL AMIGA ONE with Linux and a "full featured always redesigned never finished" Amiga OS 4.

Don't buy a Pegasos and let those who want one to get one.

Xtacy. Make the Pegasos yours.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 42 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Apr-2003 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Xtacy):
It's not for 20 boards only, it's for 20 boards in additional to those offered
some ago.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 43 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Linus Gustafsson on 08-Apr-2003 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Frank):
I guess it is really important to have another "discussion" about this ?
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 44 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 08-Apr-2003 21:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Sigbjørn Skjæret):
> No, the ARexx reimplementation is not finished yet (and will not be for a while > yet) ..

We (AROS) have a fully working AREXX reimplementation based on Regina. Sources are there.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 45 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 08-Apr-2003 21:43 GMT
Keep the inquiries coming in, folks : }


<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 46 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Apr-2003 21:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (greenboy):
You and your good buddies are out to kill the Amiga and i find it really nasty that you are hurting a good honest company (AmigaInc).

I hope your proud of yourself.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 47 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 08-Apr-2003 23:05 GMT
See this for what it is. A Phenox promotion....

Perhaps you all should be more directly up front about the intentions.

My initial response was one of distaste as I preceived it as another elitist type of trolling bait for non-developers to feel left out about, of which most people on the Amiga boards are not developers.

And when I say "another" I do mean from the proprietary mindsets of Amiga and Amiga like systems.

up until now I didn't see anything really come from the Genisi direction in the spirit of elitism........ up until now......

The offer was made to Phenox (sp?) members of which if there were enough members to take the 20 offered up.......

Also the idea of others contributing ideas and feedback to those who will inturn exclude such help in the spoils of the applied values given, is a practice that needs to stop.

and the signing of NDAs...... is also therefore bullcrap.....

so this really does sound like some damn scheme of Amiga Inc....

Want a discount.... heres the bait to lure you in..... and heres the hook.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 48 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 08-Apr-2003 23:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (3seas):
What the heck, Tim? If you don't want to take part in the promotion then don't. I personally would rather you were on board with the revolution but if you are not, at least don't rubbish our specials deals and so on. Give some moral support.

$299 bucks for a Pegasos is a great deal. I paid more than twice that for mine. I don't know the specifics of the Phoenix NDA, but the one I signed for Genesi was insignificant. It was anything but opressive or intrusive. In fact I think it expired. Maybe I will do a tell-all expose. "Wild parties and craziness behind the scenes in a freewheeling counterculture: I was a groupie for Genesi." ;)

You call it an advertisement on ANN. I call it an additional 20 converts waiting to be born again.
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 49 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 09-Apr-2003 02:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Anonymous):
> You and your good buddies are out to kill the Amiga and i find it really nasty > that you are hurting a good honest company (AmigaInc).

> I hope your proud of yourself.

Why am I getting an inpulse to buy a Pegasus now?

Must ... cut ... the ... Mastercard ... up ... now ...

Dammy
Pegasos offer extended for Phoenix members : Comment 50 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 09-Apr-2003 05:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (dammy):
From an earlier post modified to be used here...;-)

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark (or read the Community)...

This lament is taken from Shakespeare's Hamlet. Hamlet was brooding over the wretched state of Denmark (and then incidentally compares the two kings, his father and his uncle Claudius as "Hyperion to a Satyr." We might not have used Hyperion as an example of the goodness of one, but never mind...;-)

Later, Hamlet says...

Fie on't! ah fie! 'tis an unweeded garden, that grows to seed; things rank and gross in nature possess it merely. That it should come to this!  

This of course can be compared to the "community" in the months and years before. The situation today is a result of a rudderless past. So, what to do about it? Raquel and I are great advocates of what we call gardening. If you plant a garden and you ignore it, it's taken over by weeds. But if you keep at it, month after month, then it grows. We like the way the garden is shaping up!

:-)

Spring is here...so to speak! We promise to be good "gardeners!" Another 20 Pegasos in the market are seeds which will grow and help proliferate the platform...step by step. Weeds or seeds? What will it be?! :-)

As we just said on ANN: ..."Within a true "Community" of people of course there are differences. There *can* be different hardware, there can be different operating systems, and there should be different opinions about many things. Let us not forget we are human, computers are not. If we can share our differences intelligently with mutual respect for the dignity of others all these sites will improve in their usefulness.

We think there is far to much unnecessary "flaming" on all the sites. We have been a part of it. We reacted in kind. We have never been intimidated by any of it and we simply will not allow FUD to remain unanswered. What will stand in truth and fact in the future will be the action and the results developed by all involved. If your looking for "measure" we are ready for judgment. We can talk about it and genuinely seek to be the best we can at all we do. If your looking for a fight and you are bent on insults and personal attacks, take it somewhere else.

The "thread wars" are over. We need to work. Our future is on the road ahead. We can see where we are going and know how to get there."

Have a great day!

Sincerely,

Raquel and Bill
Genesi
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