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Posted on 10-Apr-2003 17:24 GMT by Leo31 comments
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The Linux game LBreakout2 has been ported to MorphOS. From LBreakout2 homepage:

"The polished successor to LBreakout offers you a new challenge in more than 50 levels with loads of new bonuses (goldshower, joker, explosive balls, bonus magnet ...), maluses (chaos, darkness, weak balls, malus magnet ...) and special bricks (growing bricks, explosive bricks, regenerative bricks, indestructible bricks, chaotic bricks). And if you're through with all the levels you can create complete new levelsets with the integrated easy-to-use level editor!"

Go to Leo MorphOS stuff
Direct Link to LBreakout2 (2.5 Mb)
LBreakout 2 MorphOS port available : Comment 1 of 31ANN.lu
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LBreakout 2 MorphOS port available : Comment 2 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 10-Apr-2003 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
< MorphOS is killing the Amiga

Killing no, replacing yes.

Dammy
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Posted by Lando on 10-Apr-2003 15:36 GMT
Looks very good :) Nice work!
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Posted by bbrv on 10-Apr-2003 15:46 GMT
Great work!

Thanks!!!!

:-)

R&B
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Posted by Jon on 10-Apr-2003 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Jack Meadows):
A collector's item, that classification :)
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In reply to Comment 2 (dammy):
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Posted by corpse on 10-Apr-2003 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (corpse):
It wasn't a personal insult , it was a personal truth ;)
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Posted by Gary on 10-Apr-2003 18:08 GMT
MorphOS is not killing the Amiga, it offers the people who want a real working OS and hardware instead of a myth like another OS i could mention.

MorphOS and Pegasos is here and now, live with it or stop reading forums about it.
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Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 10-Apr-2003 18:31 GMT
I like amiga as much as the next guy, but i must admit that the peggy and Mos is picking up momentum.

Why can't people see this as a second option if their main choice fails?.

And back on topic: the game look rather neat, nothing special, but like one of those games you play once in a while just because you want. :-)

And to the people who think that some ports like this will kill the amiga. get of your but, and port the game to amiga too. it's really as simple as that.
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Posted by Felix on 11-Apr-2003 05:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (dammy):
Nice another MorphOS game :)

Sure, ill buy a new Amiga and OS4, where can
i get it, tell me, i ll buy it at once, hmmm,
how many month's am i telling this to myself.

Amiga, we know how to keep you waiting.

Felix
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Posted by CRS on 11-Apr-2003 07:12 GMT
What's important is that stuff comes on all platforms, no exclusive deals, but so that it runs on the A1, pegasos, classics and Amithlon, UAE. I know it's
more work, but if we all work together, it's in the longer term benefiting us all. I'm fully aware that there's an issue of incentives to get people to upgrade, but upgrading is a great thing, I've always loved it. As for why to release for the classic, it's because it's the Classic, almost the same champion from 1984, it's a miracle to see new inventive software that runs on Jay Miner's creation. Just like it is on the demoscene. I don't like the cut
away from classic hardware, I love classic hardware, and unless a new Commodore arrives one day, delivering a new miracle, I will be keeping mine.
But dreams aside, everyone, stop flaming now, do creative work, and if you can't, learn how. It's far more fun than flaming and being annoyed.
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Posted by CRS on 11-Apr-2003 07:16 GMT
What I think we need is to regain the feeling of doing something special,
and before anyone cries about my commen being utter crap, this is what is tought at companies like Raven, Id, etc. What I mean by this is the old feeling of the golden times. Sure, I know, and understand, that resources
and motivation are hard to come by, but we all should work together. If someone disagrees, let the do so, but don't let them distract you.
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Posted by Anon' E Mousse on 11-Apr-2003 09:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (dammy):
...Dammy is now...

...BAGDAD dammy! ...famous information minister
of the all-knowing regime de la Morph.

There are No tanks in Bagdad. The Friedens only
port PacMan and Centipede clones for '040 macs,
and Eyetech are shipping old Comodore 64s,
with PPC labeled caps over the 6502...and that
Lightwave animation of a statue falling behind a tank...
you people think we are so gullible...can't fool
Bagdad dammy...who knows Hyperion stole abandonware
code from Sinclair and Z80 to speed up Freespace...
Bagdad dammy, the new high-tek editor for aljuzzeer...

...will never be fooled again!
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Posted by Kjetil on 11-Apr-2003 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (CRS):
>What's important is that stuff comes on all platforms, no exclusive deals,
>but so that it runs on the A1, pegasos, classics and Amithlon, UAE. I know it's more work

Now you are unrealistic, unless there where an Open Source movement with Amiga community (AROS), even so there will always be some one like me to that think they use to much time on getting it to work to even start thinking about porting there software to all Amiga Systems some of this system requires an PPC or i686 or what ever, don’t expect the developers to have all the hardware it takes don expect them to have all the time in the world doing the port as well the continues development of the software. You know we need to test the programs after we compile, it don’t help with a cross compiler.

> I love classic hardware, and unless a new Commodore arrives one day, delivering a new
> miracle, I will be keeping mine.

There are may how keep there old computer after they turn totally trash, for sentimental reasons, I’m one of them, and I have come to realize the tragic fact that the old hardware is not fast, nor are this upgrades stabile mounted, you can’t move your computer whit out checking every dame card if they are whit in there slots (CPU / CLOCKPORT / ZORRO / PCMICA / ADAPTERS)

The classic community may be live, but only for sentimental reasons, most wont to join the new community of AmigaOS4.0/MorphOS, the classic Amiga hardware may be live but only reasons is that some one do some rescue operations from time to time.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 11-Apr-2003 15:44 GMT
Was wondering whether the porter knows that the game is under GPL? I don't see any sign of license files in the binary distribution.

And yes, before you jump to my neck, I've contacted him already privately, but got no answer so far. Perhaps he's following this thread.
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Posted by Leo on 11-Apr-2003 19:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Fabio Alemagna):
Hi,


1. I know it's GPL'ed (by the way, let me say that GPL really s**** ;())

2. I wanted to release it as fast as possible (actually, I released it between two exams so I did not have time to clean the sources, check what readmes to include or not,...)

3. I'm just recovering from a computer crash and I lost a lot of things... including ftp,mail... passwords so I have to re-configure everything

4. I'll include the sources and the COPYING file as soon as I can. But I don't
think it is that important... Especially for that game.

5. Now I'm tired, 'night...



Leo.

PS: You'd better work on AROS instead of bothering me ;)
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 11-Apr-2003 21:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Leo):
> 1. I know it's GPL'ed (by the way, let me say that GPL really s**** ;())

Oh well, if you don't like the license then don't use the code under that license.

> 2. I wanted to release it as fast as possible (actually, I released it between
> two exams so I did not have time to clean the sources, check what readmes to
> include or not,...)

I don't want to sound rude, but you just had to include the COPYING file in the archive, and nothing else. You'd know that if you had read the license.

> 3. I'm just recovering from a computer crash and I lost a lot of things...
> including ftp,mail... passwords so I have to re-configure everything

What an unlucky day... I'm sorry for you.

> 4. I'll include the sources and the COPYING file as soon as I can. But I don't
> think it is that important... Especially for that game.

Eh... unfortunately for you, it doesn't matter what you think, it matters what the license says.


> 5. Now I'm tired, 'night...

G'night and rest well.

> PS: You'd better work on AROS instead of bothering me ;)

Tsk tsk... is that the way to behave? I don't think so... Try to be less arrogant, and if the GPL bothers you, don't use GPL'd programs.
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2003 07:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Leo):
"4. I'll include the sources and the COPYING file as soon as I can. But I don't
think it is that important... Especially for that game."

As soon as you can would be right now. You are not entitled to upload the binary without the source, the same way you're not allowed to sell CDR copies of MS Office at a street market. It's illegal the way it is right now, so fix it.
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Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 08:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
Well, he would have done it, he just wanted to share with us a new game, that's not a that big crime. Maybe he just forgot ? A friendly remark is OK.
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Posted by JoannaK on 12-Apr-2003 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
Well.. compared to that Q2 porting/selling done late last year I'll consider this a minor case..
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 12-Apr-2003 09:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
> As soon as you can would be right now. You are not entitled to upload the binary
> without the source,

Yes, he can, all he needs to do is including the COPYING file into the binary distribution, along with a notice on how to get the sources.

Btw, yesterday I ported lbreakout2 to AROS, from the original sources (just a matter of recompiling + some tweaks which I submitted to the author). You'll find it in the tomorrow nightly build, in the i386-all-contrib package. For some reasons, it doesn't work in 16 bit mode, however it works perfectly in 24/32 bits.
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Posted by Leo on 12-Apr-2003 12:37 GMT
@anonymous/comment 17: How can you compare the fact I'm releasing a GPL breakout clone without the licence info with someone selling CDR copies of... Ms Office ?

Come on !

@Fabio: HUNDREDS of GPL and LGPL programs are being released in a way that does not follow the (L)GPL rules (including commercial software which sells hundreds of copies).
=> please stop flaming me for not having included the licence for a free breakout clone which, to be optimistic, may have been downloaded by 50 people...
I hate this licence for some software released under this licence terms are great programs: because I don't like the licence I shouldn't use it ?
Hum...
(I said I did not liked the licence, I didn't meant I did not accept the licence...)

Leo.

PS: I removed the download link.

PS2: it seems you are distributing your AROS ISOs with the GPL Grub program. However, I did not find the copying file on the ISOs: did you forget to include it ?
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Posted by Leo on 12-Apr-2003 12:45 GMT
I meant:

I hate this licence but some software released under the GPL terms are great programs: because I don't like the licence I shouldn't use them ?
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 12-Apr-2003 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Leo):
> @Fabio: HUNDREDS of GPL and LGPL programs are being released in a way that
> does not follow the (L)GPL rules (including commercial software which sells
> hundreds of copies). => please stop flaming me for not having included the
> licence for a free breakout clone which, to be optimistic, may have been
> downloaded by 50 people...

What kind of reasoning is that? All I did was asking you privately if you were aware of the fact that rthe program is GPl'd, and asked for the sources. You've not replied, and so I posted a message here, hoping you'd read it. Indeed, you read it, but _you_ flamed me for having asked you that question. And anyway, if someone else does something wrong, does that entitle you to do that same?

> I hate this licence for some software released under this licence terms are
> great programs: because I don't like the licence I shouldn't use it ?
> Hum...

Yes, you shouldn't use programs if you don't accept the license.

> (I said I did not liked the licence, I didn't meant I did not accept the
> licence...)

Eheh, that's funny: if you had accepted the license, you'd have complied with it!


> PS: I removed the download link.

Why so? Wasn't it easier to comply with the license? I don't get it...

> PS2: it seems you are distributing your AROS ISOs with the GPL Grub program.
> However, I did not find the copying file on the ISOs: did you forget to
> include it ?

I was wrong about the COPYING file: all you need to do is one of the below things:

1) accompany the binary with the sources

2) accompany the binary with a written offer for the sources

3) accompany the binary with the written offer of the person from whom you received the binary.

AROS uses the method (1): we distribute sources along with binaries. You could chose between (1) and (2).
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 12-Apr-2003 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
Eh? Does this Breakout game come under another licence than the plain vanilla GNU one? Under GNU licence, you are obliged to supply to the sources on demand, but it is not necessary to distribute source code in the same package as the binary.
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Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 13-Apr-2003 16:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (JoannaK):
Hi!

>Well.. compared to that Q2 porting/selling done late last year I'll consider >this a minor case..

There is nothing illegal about selling GPL-ed software. And the facts dont change even if certain individuals try to repeat it again and again. I should also note that after what I was told a certain person contacted the FSF on this issue claiming that Hyperion Entertainment would do something illegal. This person was then corrected by the FSF that Hyperion Entertainment would NOT do anything illegal (as the source-code is available on CD on request which fully fulfils the requirements of the GPL).

If you are not happy with the GPL, do your own licence which is more restrictive than the GPL !!! There are some programs released under licences
which do explicitly forbid "commercial exploitation". But thats not the GPL...

I do not see why selling GPL-ed software (which is legal according to the GPL)
should be a major case compared to leaving out the COPYING file (which is a
clear violation of the GPL). It is the other way round.

Still even then I need to ask ask GPL fanatics to look at the DATE: This port from Leo was announced on 10th April. So I would
not take this as a big problem if the guy doesnt react immediately on source-code requests !!! After all there is something called "weekend" !!! The GPL nowhere specifies that a source-code-request has to be followed "in the run of 24h" or something like that. Even the missing COPYING file (even though a clear violation of the GPL) can be a simple mistake, and if he fixes this in the run of a week I think this is fully acceptable without any need of "public blaming" which the GPL Fanatics like so much...

And Fabio: This argument "if you do not like the GPL, do not use it" is ridiculous. I can not like the GPL, tell this publicly as much as I want and still use it (as long as I fully comply to the GPL for the cases where I use it :) ). I do not have to LIKE the GPL to be able to use it :) It might even be that I find the GPL appropriate in some cases, and not in some others...

Steffen Haeuser
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 13-Apr-2003 20:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Steffen Haeuser):
> And Fabio: This argument "if you do not like the GPL, do not use it" is
> ridiculous. I can not like the GPL, tell this publicly as much as I want and
> still use it (as long as I fully comply to the GPL for the cases where I use it
> :) ). I do not have to LIKE the GPL to be able to use it :) It might even be
> that I find the GPL appropriate in some cases, and not in some others...

Even a stupid would have understood it, but anyway: it was implicit that I meant "if you don't like it AND IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH IT then don't use it."

The guy didn't simply say that he didn't like it, he said that he doesn't think it's that important to follow it.

And as for the source's request: the guy answered in this thread but not via email, I was just making sure he'd know that he was breaking the license, that's all.

Also, the fact that he now _removed_ the downloadable file instead of providing the sources or a written offer for them, should say it all.
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Posted by Leo on 14-Apr-2003 09:36 GMT
Hi,

That's really stupid comments...

All I wanted is to provide a new game to MorphOS users.

I don't like GPL BUT I'm using GPL programs everyday (including GCC which was used to build this game).
I use/distribute GPL programs so I DO accept the terms of the licence.

However, I forgot to include the licence terms file in the main archive, that's true... That's why I removed the link until I had time to upload 2.5Mb at ~2kb/s (ie.: minutes) (Should be OK when you read this lines)

"The guy didn't simply say that he didn't like it, he said that he doesn't think it's that important to follow it. "

I didn't said it wasn't important to follow it... I only meant it wasn't a crime to forget the copying file and to provide the sources a few days after the executable has been released. Was it ?

Last thing: did you have to use the Ann.lu public forums for... this ?

This news item has received about 30 comments (including mine) and only ONE was positive (thx bbrv ;)), all the others being stupid un-necessary comments...

You must love the Amiga to work on it, seeing the "feedback" you receive ;)

Regards,
Leo.
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Posted by Leo on 14-Apr-2003 09:37 GMT
Hi,

That's really stupid comments...

All I wanted is to provide a new game to MorphOS users.

I don't like GPL BUT I'm using GPL programs everyday (including GCC which was used to build this game).
I use/distribute GPL programs so I DO accept the terms of the licence.

However, I forgot to include the licence terms file in the main archive, that's true... That's why I removed the link until I had time to upload 2.5Mb at ~2kb/s (ie.: 40 minutes) (Should be OK when you read this lines)

"The guy didn't simply say that he didn't like it, he said that he doesn't think it's that important to follow it. "

I didn't said it wasn't important to follow it... I only meant it wasn't a crime to forget the copying file and to provide the sources a few days after the executable has been released. Was it ?

Last thing: did you have to use the Ann.lu public forums for... this ?

This news item has received about 30 comments (including mine) and only ONE was positive (thx bbrv ;)), all the others being stupid un-necessary comments...

You must love the Amiga to work on it, seeing the "feedback" you receive ;)

Regards,
Leo.
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Posted by Leo on 14-Apr-2003 09:37 GMT
Sorry for the double post...
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