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[News] Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4ANN.lu
Posted on 11-Apr-2003 07:25 GMT by samface213 comments
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Cross-post from AmigaWorld.net:

For you who can't read Swedish, the release of AOS4 for CSPPC is drawing closer. Hyperion have found a reliable repair shop repariting broken Cyberstorms for them.

GGS-data announcement (in Swedish). Intertran (free online text/webpage translations into many languages)

Hyperion is making an offer to relay the broken boards of GGS's (and other scandinavian resellers') customers to this repair shop. This relay-offer will rotate between the various Amiga dealers of the world so as not to swamp the repair shop. First off are the Scandinavian resellers.

GGS is now asking people to send in their broken CSPPC:s to them for batch-sending to Hyperion. The price is 1250 SEK (135 euro). If the card cannot be repaired within 3 months, it will be returned by Hyperion at no cost.

If you are an interested Scandinavian (or just really, really impatient), contact GGS data at GGS contact form (Other Scandinavian resellers should have got the same offer)

Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 1 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 11-Apr-2003 05:43 GMT
What this has to do with OS4 "drawing closer"?

I have some information backing that up, but that is either rumour level or NDA-ed. Your news post tells nothing about OS4 "drawing closer".
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 2 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 11-Apr-2003 05:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Emeric SH):
According to the swedish announcement, they have been given the information that the release of AmigaOS4 is drawing closer. However, how much closer is another story...

In order for the release to be not drawing closer, development would have to stand completely still. :-P
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 3 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 11-Apr-2003 05:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (samface):
You're right. I apologize. LOL
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 4 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 11-Apr-2003 05:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (samface):
...the information that the release of AmigaOS4 is drawing closer is from Hyperion themselves was what I meant to say. :-P
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 5 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Xeyes on 11-Apr-2003 05:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (samface):
In order for the release to not be drawing closer, time would have to stop.

(Sometimes that feels like the case :)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 6 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 11-Apr-2003 06:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Xeyes):
not for me :))
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 7 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 11-Apr-2003 07:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (catohagen):
Yeah, time sure flies when you have a deadline :-)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 8 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 11-Apr-2003 07:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ole-Egil):
A deadline? Didn't know they had one except that "when it's ready". :)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 9 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 11-Apr-2003 07:27 GMT
not a troll or a flame pl

i wonder how the first version of os4 of csppc will compare to the maybe vapourware mos on csppc.
in terms of
stability
AOS 68k program combability
apparent responsiveness

And how both these versions will differ from the aone/pegasos versions

Amigia inc supporters should not critisize buckster for saying he will release mos for free for csppc. it is a marketplace economy and competition does happen.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 10 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 11-Apr-2003 07:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (cheesegrate):
"not a troll or a flame pl

i wonder how the first version of os4 of csppc will compare to the maybe vapourware mos on csppc."

Which is "maybe vapourware" is the first, but I bet it's your opinion, and it's mine. :) MOS already has those 1000 years old betas running on CS/BPPC.

Personally I think the first available OS4 version will be considered early beta as well.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 11 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 11-Apr-2003 07:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Emeric SH):
As to stability, even in the best case both will be as stable as the applications are. To preserve compatibility, neither of them has memory protection AFAIK, and even optional per task memprot doesn't help much.

Hope when both has a fair system ready, the stability issue will be priority.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 12 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 11-Apr-2003 08:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Emeric SH):
>MOS already has those 1000 years old betas running on CS/BPPC.

There sure are newer versions that run on CSPPC's and BPPC's too, but those just aren't public... Yet :)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 13 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Wouter on 11-Apr-2003 08:14 GMT
This is good news. Someone who can repair a Cyberstorm in 3 months! And is reliable too. DCE can't do it 6 months. So who is this great wizard?
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 14 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 08:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Emeric SH):
Which is "maybe vapourware" is the first, but I bet it's your opinion, and it's mine. :) MOS already has those 1000 years old betas running on CS/BPPC.
--

Actually there are MUCH more recent versions than those betas, not released
publically.

Personally I think the first available OS4 version will be considered early beta as well.
--

Well, at that time, MOS relied on the public to do beta-testing, OS4 is (?)
betatested before release, so I suppose that it will be on the same level as
some MOS semi-public betas from this summer or something before that.
It's logical, if we consider when was each product started. I guess that it will
be fairly stable but will still have some problems. That's fine for a new OS.
Then again, I will try it myself to see, I want to have an opinion about both
products.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 15 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 11-Apr-2003 08:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Wouter):
>So who is this great wizard?

Just guessing, but www.amiga.fr possibly?

I heard good things about their PPC repair service, and seem to remember Hyperion using them in the past.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 16 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 11-Apr-2003 08:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Emeric SH):
I don't know if Hyperion have deadlines, but I had kinda set myself a deadline for a work-project. Time flew, like it always does. I find that the best way to make time go by is to set yourself extra deadlines. The more deadlines, the less you get done. Scientific research must be done!!!

The good news is that it's a self-enforced deadline, so I'm basically in the clear :-)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 17 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 11-Apr-2003 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Ole-Egil):
. >>The more deadlines, the less you get done.

indeed ;)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 18 of 213ANN.lu
Message removed by Teemu I. Yliselä for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: troll
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 19 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Jose):
Oh, shut up already. People are getting tired of this. People from both sides.
If you don't like MOS, DON'T BUY IT! Bah, it's free for PUP, don't DL and install it.
And how exactly will they crush a company that already sold out their first product
and are developing the second one? They can't make people don't buy something
they can't buy anymore ATM.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 20 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 11-Apr-2003 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Jose):
Wondered why there was no flaming, just friendly atmosphere in the thread. Now I know, you most probably had some urgent things to do.

"Thanks" for coming.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 21 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 09:48 GMT
Oh, please. I'm much more of an AOS4 fan than a MOS fan, but this kind of twaddle is just embarrassing.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 22 of 213ANN.lu
Message removed by Teemu I. Yliselä for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: troll
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 23 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 11-Apr-2003 10:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Jose):
Posts like these are ridiculous - when they come from either side. Sometimes I
wonder if someone isn't just posting these to start a war and then run away. My
bet he/she never planned to buy neither AOS nor MOS, he/she only gets a kick out
of busting up threads. Better start looking at those IP:s; Maybe we find it's the
same IP:s alternately dissing, alternately insanely cheering.
.
SlimJim
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 24 of 213ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 22 (Red_Melons):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: insult
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 25 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Red_Melons):
Boycott the company or institution you or your family work for instead...
Anyway... Will you tell me *WHAT* Amiga Inc has done for the Amiga community?
AmigaOne? Eyetech... AmigaOS4? Hyperion... AmigaDE? Tao with Amiga extensions
and it has NOTHING to do with the Amiga...
And let me start... T-Shirts? AmigaDE SDK updates? "In-house" OS4... On Schedule
and rocking... LOL...
They failed us... They failed to fulfill ALL their promises...
They outsourced all development and do what? I guess they are just waiting for
royalties...
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 26 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
1) Your father is a bastard, not Teemu.
2) I can see Amiga news around here as well as MOS news.
3) You're nothing but a filthy animal. Worse than a troll.
4) Amiga Inc is already dead for me...
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 27 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 10:39 GMT
Ok calling the mod a bastard was over the top but i am entitled to my opinions without being moderated because the moderator did not agree with the comments.

I never knew censorship was as bad as it is on here but what do you expect when a website owner is in cahoots with Genesi, if i was worshipping Genesi and morphOS my comment would be accepted but Amiga Inc, no way.

ANN -> MNN
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 28 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 10:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
That SPECIFIC comment (it's almost compy&pasted each time) has caused endless
flamewars and many headaches to the owners of all Amiga sites (minus one...).
It will be moderated each time it is posted, about either AInc or Genesi.
Yes, that's censorship and yes, in that case IT IS justified.
People from your "side" are ANNOYED by comments like yours. I heard that A LOT...
Just like I am annoyed by some comments from fellow MOS users.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 29 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 11-Apr-2003 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
> i am entitled to my opinions without being moderated

You are entitled to your own opinions, yes. But your posting your opinions on ANN, a privately owned website, is a privilege that can be revoked at any time.

> because the moderator did not agree with the comments.

It's not a matter of agreeing with your comments, it's the way you word your comments. If you act like a troll, you'll be likely to be considered as such.


> I never knew censorship was as bad as it is on here but what do you expect
> when a website owner is in cahoots with Genesi

For every hundred censorship conplainers, there's a hundred people who complain about trolling. There's no way for me to win, really. But if I have the choice between a person posting reasonable comments and being annoyed by trolling replies, or a troll posting one liners that do nothing but create trouble, the choice is easy.

Also, could you explain to me how I am "in cahoots" with Genesi?

(You'll also notice that Teemu moderated you, not me.)


> if i was worshipping Genesi and morphOS my comment would be accepted but
> Amiga Inc, no way.

It's easy to make that statement. But I challenge you to back it up with significant proof.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 30 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 11-Apr-2003 10:58 GMT
It is ashame this offer has to come from Hyperion.
Why? Because its a send money to Hyperion, based on the idea,
that OS4 is almost ready.

You know, I don't own a Cyberstorm PPC, but I wouldn't send
money to a company based on the idea that OS4 is almost ready.
Not in a million years.

How many times do people have to get burned, pre-paying for services,
or offers, based on the idea that the holy grail OS4 is almost ready,
before we STOP doing it.

And now, I am quite aware, that some people regard this as being pessimistic.
But I call it well warranted caution. I won't be offended if someday
Hyperion earns an honest dollar from me. But they won't get my money,
even if its just me, until they release OS4, not another promise for OS4
to be done soon, if only you give us some cash to help fund our operations.

Why has Hyperion suddenly gone into the Cyberstorm repair business?

They are a business, and they switched the focus of their business, why?
Is it because the lure of pre-payment is forever so strong in this community...
pay me now, I'll deliver later, I promise.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 31 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (MarkTime):
Your paying Hyperion to get your goddamn PPC card fixed & nothing else.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 32 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 11-Apr-2003 11:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (MarkTime):
I'm sorry but what a completely ridiculous post this is.

We are offering people the chance to get their very expensive hardware repaired after the original producer went bankrupt and the current IP holder is no longer interested in either repairing or producing them.

This offer must be judged on its own merits and has nothing to do with OS 4 other than the fact that in the future OS 4 will run on these boards, or not depending on what the user decides.

It's saddening to see that MorphOS followers are now so instilled with hatred against Hyperion that they can't even understand that there are scores of people who are dying to get their hardware repaired and that it is in fact a Genesi/bPlan affiliated company which has not lifted a finger to make this happen.

I should also point out that the original designer of the Cyberstorm PPC hardware now works for bPlan but that that company too has not lifted a finger to help these people.

Maybe you should bark up the right tree for a change.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 33 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (MarkTime):
Well, you have a 3 month period here - a firm deadline. Also you don't have to pay if it doesn't get fixed.

It's a whole lot better than sending it to DCE and not knowing when they'll bother to look at it, if at all..
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 34 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 11-Apr-2003 11:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Spot on Ben.

Ian
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 35 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (MarkTime):
They don't repair cards themselves, they just found someone to repair that can
repair them (amiga.fr?) and Hyperion probably works between them and the users.
That's not a negative thing imho.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 36 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alan on 11-Apr-2003 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Using terms like "MorphOS followers" just because someone says something negative about Hyperion is pretty lame and pathetic from someone in your position, also why is it someone who says something negative about any aspects of Amiga are "MorphOS followers", maybe Amiga users are not all blind to believe the same crap time after time,

I like others do not like AmigaInc so that must make us "MorphOS followers",

Please sort your attitude out as it cleary is not acceptable and you should bow your head in shame.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 37 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben, could you PLEASE not categorise anyone saying anything negative about
Hyperion a "MorphOS follower"?
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 38 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Alan):
Well MarkTime is a MOS follower in this case so yes ben is right & that could be the only reason why Marktime is saying what he is saying.

As Marktime linked all of this with some sort of Aos4 prepayment scam.

Only someone with heavy bias could see things in such a way.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 39 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 11:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
He is not just saying it as Marktime is a known MOS follower.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 40 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
That could be the only reason why Marktime is saying what he is saying.
--

I do not agree.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 41 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alan on 11-Apr-2003 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
Maybe i misunderstood the following

"It's saddening to see that MorphOS followers are now so instilled with hatred against Hyperion"

But after reading it again i still keep missing the part where it says "Marktime is a well known MorphOS follower", maybe i need my eyes testing or just face facts that type of attitude is just flamewar bait.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 42 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 11-Apr-2003 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Alan):
Sorry, I wasn't aware that being a "MorphOS follower" is to be considered some kind of insult or stigma.

Let it be known that I am an AmigaOS4 follower and proud of it and everybody is hereby invited to insult me as "OS 4 follower".
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 43 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Well you would say that cos your a MOS follower your self.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 44 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Generalization is never right and MANY people in here call anyone blaming
Hyperion or Amiga Inc a MOS Troll/Follower/anything and anyone blaming Genesi
a BAF/Amiga worshipper etc...
I do not agree with this kind of categorization in any case.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 45 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alan on 11-Apr-2003 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Do not change the subject, you guys are developing OS4? but you insist on insulting Amiga users because we say some comments which are negative about anything Amiga, what should we do? act like blind followers of AmigaInc and praise everything they do because we do not to be branded MorphOS followers by someone who should know better.

Keep insulting people if you wish that is your choice but remember not every Amiga user is a blind one sided ignorant follower.

You are supposed to be professionals? please act like it.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 46 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 11-Apr-2003 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
Well what did you expect after posting "mos is killing the amiga" or "boycott mos" into nearly every thread here, including those that have nothing to do with MOS (like this one)? Stating an opinion is one thing, deliberately trying to stir up a flamefest is another.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 47 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 11-Apr-2003 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Knowing how many owners of these cards are having problems with them, it seems to me that it is very helpful of Ben to organise this.

I would have thought that people wanting to run either MorphOS or AmigaOS 4 on their cards would be grateful.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 48 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
I didn't see me saying anything negative about Hyperion or OS4... With your logic
I have reasons to do that, as I am a MorphOS follower myself. I didn't, don't
and will not.
My only target is and was Amiga Inc, ever since the days they LIED to us with
the "on schedule and rockin'" crap...
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 49 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 11-Apr-2003 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
That you are an OS4 follower (it'd be surprising to turn out if you're the opposite :)) won't make the rest of the world "MorphOS follower". Don't generalize and stop dividing the world to good/bad sides.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 50 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Alan):
Just cos you didnt know that Marktime is a MOS follower it dont mean he is not.

Ben knows that Marktime is & so did i.


Next you will be telling me not to call BillGates a Windows follower just cos he has noting but bad things to say about linux.
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