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[News] Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4ANN.lu
Posted on 11-Apr-2003 07:25 GMT by samface213 comments
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Cross-post from AmigaWorld.net:

For you who can't read Swedish, the release of AOS4 for CSPPC is drawing closer. Hyperion have found a reliable repair shop repariting broken Cyberstorms for them.

GGS-data announcement (in Swedish). Intertran (free online text/webpage translations into many languages)

Hyperion is making an offer to relay the broken boards of GGS's (and other scandinavian resellers') customers to this repair shop. This relay-offer will rotate between the various Amiga dealers of the world so as not to swamp the repair shop. First off are the Scandinavian resellers.

GGS is now asking people to send in their broken CSPPC:s to them for batch-sending to Hyperion. The price is 1250 SEK (135 euro). If the card cannot be repaired within 3 months, it will be returned by Hyperion at no cost.

If you are an interested Scandinavian (or just really, really impatient), contact GGS data at GGS contact form (Other Scandinavian resellers should have got the same offer)

Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 151 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 11-Apr-2003 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (Red_Melons):
just mail christian kemp :)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 152 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 18:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (Red_Melons):
Well some ppl are spoofing members from AmigaWorld.net

Spoofing z5 telling me to go back to AW when z5 is a very vocal member at AW was silly.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 153 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 11-Apr-2003 18:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Alan Bluehouse):
> Amiga user but more like a complete anti morphos guy

No I am not. IMO buy whatever you like and support the last remaining Amiga dealers. That's what I have been saying for a long time now. My personal *preferences* go to AmigaOS4.x and the AmigaOne-XE. My reasons for this I have explained to great depth a zillion time already, but actually requires no justification.

And would people *please* quit bringing me up into these useless flamewars? Is your life so boring that I am such an interesting topic to you guys?
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 154 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 18:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Anonymous):
> When useing your logic it would be better for Genesi not to & force ppl to get a pegaos to run MOS.

Yes. That's what they are doing, isn't it ? There is no recent Morphos version is available, only stale beta versions from the last century. They say that Morphos might be available again for the cards. Let's wait and see.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 155 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 11-Apr-2003 18:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (z5):
man, this website is so fucked up sometimes. Somebody noticed a little discussion at Amiga.org between me and Alkemyst and just posted this crap under my name...

I wonder...i really do...why? Are you really so pathetic? Do you really have no life at all?

This is the first time this has happened to me.

What a bunch of weirdos hanging around here (but i'm still convinced that they are the same little bunch appearing again and again).
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 156 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Disgusted Man on 11-Apr-2003 18:53 GMT
This website is fucked up because people can spoof anyone at anytime and cause all sorts of shit, how this thread has turned from a Hyperion and Cyberstorm cards in to a "MorphOS is killing the Amiga" "MorphOS vs AOS4" is disgusting but on the other hand Ben Hermans with his stupid comment (nor the first time) caused a lot of upset in the community.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 157 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Red Melons on 11-Apr-2003 18:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (mahen):
@ mahen:

"just mail christian kemp :)"

Thanks, yes I saw Christian's post earlier and have done so :)

I do worry about the sort of creepy little people who have nothing better to do than stir up trouble though.
I use every opportunity to extol the virtues of AmigaOS over Windows and would like nothing better than to see AOS and Morphos, AOne and Pegasos all become hugely successful and once again present a real alternative to Microsoft.
I find it hard to believe that the people in these supposed 'camps' have ever used an Amiga or they would not be so determined to disrupt the Amiga community.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 158 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 18:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Jose):
Amiga is NOT Amiga Inc and just that... I am a long time Amiga user, I care
about MOS and I care about OS4 but I honestly don't give a fuck about Amiga Inc.
anymore... They are a bunch of liars trying to exploit us... They managed to do
that well enough so far. I'm tired of them... They can die a peaceful death and
leave Hyperion, Eyetech and Genesi to do their job without their stupid interference.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 159 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 11-Apr-2003 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Marktime):
@Marktime

Never thought you where a fanatic Morphos user:-) Actually my thought of you is that you just complaines about everything, often without reason!

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRE-PAYMENT, how hard is that to understand?
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 160 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Bill on 11-Apr-2003 19:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
That is very true, i hate AmigaInc because they have done piss all for the Amiga apart from hiding behind the silly trademark, but because we say negative comments about AmigaInc we are branded by the idiots as Genesi worshippers because we do not praise a company what DOES NOTHING.

How sad, for all you AmigaInc fans please provide proper links to show us what AmigaInc have done.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 161 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 11-Apr-2003 19:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 160 (Bill):
I really can't consider how anyone could disagree with that, regardless he/she is mostly interested in MOS or OS4...

(the problem is that OS5 probably won't be done by Hyperion... But we're not there yet)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 162 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 11-Apr-2003 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (z5):
Can any of the moderators delete comment 145. This has nothing to do with me.

I wonder why people do this. They are obviously very sad people with no lives of their own.

This is my last post here for the time being.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 163 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 19:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Mike Bouma):
Right... I will log this... Don't even dare to write anything like the crap you
wrote in the past in ANY site... (See: Slashdot, OSNews, Amiga.Org)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 164 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 154 (Anonymous):
Well, if anyone was SERIOUS about betatesting MOS, he was PERFECTLY able to get
it by ASKING... I did.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 165 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Red Melons on 11-Apr-2003 19:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 152 (Anonymous):
"Well some ppl are spoofing members from AmigaWorld.net"

I am registered on AmigaWorld, but it was actually my Amiga.org nick which was impersonated.
Obviously the little creep isn't choosy where he steals nicks from!
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 166 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 19:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (z5):
And I guess that you're right...
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 167 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 11-Apr-2003 19:29 GMT
I think this is a great offer. It fills a previously overlooked need on the market. And using well known established local dealers brings a lot of trust into the whole thing. I would not send anything valuable to any (to me) unknown abroad organization, but I would have no problems at all sending it to GGS Data! A clever move!
:-)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 168 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 11-Apr-2003 19:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> Right... I will log this... Don't even dare to write anything like the crap
> you wrote in the past in ANY site... (See: Slashdot, OSNews, Amiga.Org)

Please be more specific. I always try to give my reasoning when making a statement. Of course our and other people's opinions differ much, but IMO this shouldn't be a reason for people to become enemies. It's only a computer for god's sake and so I believe there's no need to insult any platform supporters/followers and i.e. calling them BAFs, worshippers or far worse.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 169 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 11-Apr-2003 19:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 162 (z5):
> I wonder why people do this. They are obviously very sad people with no
> lives of their own.

> This is my last post here for the time being.

Well, to quote Mr Kemp:
"Just mail me and I'll set you up with a trusted user password. (This applies to anyone who wants one.)"

The Anonymous trolls/spoofs on this site will soon be over. Hopefully this will reduce some of the unnecessary noise too! When every serious debater will be known and "trusted", there will be much easier to ignore anonymous trolls. And spoofing will be impossible.

I don't believe in completely removing the possibility to be anonymous though ...
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 170 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 19:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 168 (Mike Bouma):
It's only a computer for god's sake and so I believe there's no need to insult any platform supporters/followers and i.e. calling them BAFs, worshippers or far worse.
--

I don't do any of these...

Please be more specific. I always try to give my reasoning when making a statement.
--

Remember that slashdot thread where we had a hot (but quite polite) arguement
about what MOS is? Stuff like that... And I repeat it once more... It's not like
Amithlon... The hierarchy is different.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 171 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 11-Apr-2003 19:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Ex hyperion Fan):
ROFL...that made my night. I didn't know there were such sensitive souls left. I'd leave the community if you were offended by anything in this thread.


>I am typing this message now with tears streaming down my face because i am so upset about what you said.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 172 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 11-Apr-2003 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 170 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I only ran a parallel between Amithlon and MorphOS to explain some of its structure. I did the same thing with regard to the AmigaDE a long time ago and BTW Downix at the time thanked me for this. (With regard to MorphOS he sadly attacked me)

I clearly explained that however MorphOS is not an emulator like Amithlon and does not run a real AmigaOS environment, MorphOS and Amithlon have in common that they host an AmigaOS-like environment on top of an Amiga unlike technology/kernel.

Amithlon hosts an orginal AmigaOS 3.1 Exec kernel on top of a Linux kernel, similarly a 'reimplemented' (ABOX) OS3.1 Exec kernel is hosted on top of a Quark kernel. AmigaOS4 uses an entirely different approach where the Exec Amiga kernel is expanded and enhanced to a great extend, not using a two kernel approach.

All I was trying to do was being informative and that's why my posting was modded up to "+4 Informative".
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 173 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 20:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 172 (Mike Bouma):
The main difference is that on Amithlon, Exec "sits" on a 68k emulator, in an
emulated Amiga memory space.
In MorphOS the 68k emulator is under exec in the pyramid, not over it.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 174 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 20:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 173 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Drop it.

This is realy old news & way off topic.

like the rest of this thread but at least what the rest of us are talking about is of now.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 175 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 11-Apr-2003 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 173 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I'd call that pretty 'similarly' as Mike says. It's not like we're talking two completely different views here. Don't tell me you guys had an argument about wether it's under or ontop?
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 176 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 11-Apr-2003 20:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 173 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> main difference is

Of course there are main differences, but there are also similarities. All I really tried to do is give people the most accurate information available to me. That doesn't mean I never made or will make a mistake and if I do then I am *happy* if someone corrects me in a *polite* manner. However most of the information I spread, I have received from people involved in the actual projects and it is not my intend to spread nonesense.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 177 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 20:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 175 (reflect):
He drew parallels between a PPC AOS compatible system with a 68k emulator and a
totally emulated system running AOS on top of it... Quite a big difference.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 178 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 11-Apr-2003 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (Mike Bouma):
I'm sure you did it well. It's just that some people suggest you may be using those words to say to ppl : look AmigaOS4 is the real thing, MOS is just an emulator ;)

Well, some ppl think that, but I'm sure that was not your intention.
So if ppl could stop annoying Mike with that please.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 179 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 177 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Yeah huge crime & i dont care
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 180 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 11-Apr-2003 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 177 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
definitely

MOS = native PPC OS with amiga compatible API with a 68k emulator (over a quark kernel)

Amithlon = 68k Amiga OS 3.x on top of an emulator on top of a linux kernel

(IIRC)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 181 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (Mike Bouma):
Well I would be happy to be more polite in that case but you insisted...
At least we didn't fall to the troll level, it was civil.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 182 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 181 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
-ised.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 183 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 11-Apr-2003 20:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 177 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
The parallel was with regard to a 2 kernel approach, the emphasis was not software compatibility. However Amithlon can run native x86 software, PPC software would have needed to be emulated on a x86 CPU and thus would have been very slow if implemented.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 184 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 20:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 179 (Anonymous):
Either you care or shut up and don't comment it... Choose.
There's a huge system between an emulated system and a native system that
contains an emulator to run old execs.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 185 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 20:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 184 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
No you should just up cos it dont belong in this thread.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 186 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 20:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 185 (Anonymous):
As if it's the only thing that doesn't belong to this thread...
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 187 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 11-Apr-2003 20:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 184 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
it's true, it might confuse users. Uers just want to know : emulator or native system ? Too technical explanations (but Mike wanted to give more details, and it's kind of him) make users think MOS is not a real native system but a sort of emulator, which is wrong.

But we can't blame mike for that.

The thing is, it's maybe not necessary to underline this detail too much, as if it was the reason number one to be in favour of OS4..

Oh well anyway, what was this thread about ?!
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 188 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 11-Apr-2003 20:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 181 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Great to hear this from you Alkis. 8-)

Let's drop this off topic stuff.
----------
Good to hear Hyperion are making such efforts for Cyberstorm users. 8-)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 189 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 20:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 186 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
This thread was bad enough enough.

But at least it was related to hyperion with the fixing of CSPPC & ben of hyperion comments over general to MOS followers.here today & now on this thread.


what your going on about is old & unrelated about what MikeB said on OSnews about MOS.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 190 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 188 (Mike Bouma):
Anyway, it's a good effort and I hope that it will go better than Genesi's...
When BB asked for people with unrepaired boards to mail him, people shouted that
their repairs are not his business (and they were not polite...)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 191 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Loki on 11-Apr-2003 21:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (reflect):
------------------------------------------------------------
for the first time in ten years, new machines are coming out. and for the first time, two operating systems are on the way out for these machines.. and people behave like this? heh.. where are the rational people? have most of them gone silent, left.. cause of the trolls/flamers et al?
-------------------------------------------------------------

They have left for AmigaWorld.net

Loki:-)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 192 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by José on 11-Apr-2003 21:17 GMT
Damn!!!!
Someone used my nick.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 193 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 11-Apr-2003 21:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 191 (Loki):
or they are right now enjoying their new pegasos... or A1 and been to mos-news / morphzone instead...
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 194 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Legal Clerk Inc. on 11-Apr-2003 22:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
LOL! Bullshit Ben is at it again. And it is entertaining as always. Nice to see you back!
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 195 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 12-Apr-2003 01:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (José):
>heh Damn!!!!
sorry about that jose if it was not the real u. hope u don't share the sentiments of your poser.. ;)

ann-where reality distorts to form a mirror of itself, it's called art
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 196 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Morris on 12-Apr-2003 04:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 194 (Legal Clerk Inc.):
All Amiga Cyberstorm owners should Drop to Their Knees and thank Hyperion and GSS for hooking this up! All you people with venom on your tongue and acid in your hearts should wake up and realize something here. Repair of CYBPPC cards has been a SERIOUS PROBLEM the last few years. I personally lost a $900 NEW DCE card 8 months into use... DCE was the WORST for support. It is fantastic we have this service available. Ben and Hyperion deserve EVERY CENT THEY MAKE.
realize
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 197 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 12-Apr-2003 05:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (mahen):
>>I really don't get why this thread degenerated this way... GEEZ !


Well, thats simple. As soon as something good comes from the Amiga part there are a couple of ass***** that need to kick it to the curb and start a flamewar.

A couple of them don't have an Amiga and I wonder what ther are doing here and there are also Pegasos/MorphOS owners amongs them. Usually they go by an anonymous name and try to discredit a lot of the work being done.

Usually these people don't have high education and IQ's to match. They just shout stupid remarks that are unfunded.

That's why the comments section on ANN should be taken with severall truck loads of salt.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 198 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Apr-2003 06:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 197 (Remco Komduur):
there are also Pegasos/MorphOS owners amongs them.
--

Don't forget that this is bi-directional.
1) There are also people from the other "side". Doing the same.
2) Don't be a racist.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 199 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by lol on 12-Apr-2003 08:33 GMT
What a bunch of crazy people are here talking bullshit about hardware repair without any knowledge to take a solder pen into his stinky fingers. If Ben "the Boss" Hermans thinks he can repair a cyberstorm with a real failure he is totally wrong. He can only finger around a broken 68K socket maybe. You have to know that you need for the 5 logic chips on the cyberstorm the original jedec files and a very complicated programming system to program them. Without this you can only watch on the card and pray to god that the board is work again. Forget this stupid announcement because this is only a hassle against the genesis/bplan/dce friendship. Hermans you are only a Droplul.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 200 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 09:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 199 (lol):
They never said they'd repair the cards by themselves !!

Please read twice before making use of coarse language.
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