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Posted on 11-Apr-2003 21:40 GMT by Raffaele291 comments
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The site of os.amiga.com was updated today 11 apr. 2003 presenting an article from Club Amiga magazines (2 Mar 2003) which shows the capabilities of the new Amidock and application.library into Amiga OS 4 environment. Read it all at os.amiga.com subpage Amidock Article .
Article about Amidock in OS4 environment on os.amiga.com : Comment 1 of 291ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 11-Apr-2003 19:56 GMT
Hello,

I think they should have put a "Thanks Apple Computer Inc, for the XML
prefs files syntax".
Looking at the screenshot, it's the exact same syntax than in MacOS X
prefs files.
Just look at the Library/Preferences/com.apple.finder.plist in the
user folder in MacOS X.

Regards
Article about Amidock in OS4 environment on os.amiga.com : Comment 2 of 291ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 11-Apr-2003 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Frodon):
Well, Frodon, you don't point another important thing...

The fact that now thanks to application.library, which stores data in XML, that is (after all) a script language...

...now almost any programmer, applying Amiga OS4 rules, now he can create standard configuration files for his programs...

AND

***ANY*** configuration file could contain ***MALICIOUS CODE***!

Wow, THE NAME.INC brings into Amiga the nightmare that users of Office experienced first (Active X macros .DOC files could contain anything).

Not only, but they raises it to the level of that XMeLling thingie that is Office XP, the XML standard save-it-all program.

Bye,

Raffaele
Article about Amidock in OS4 environment on os.amiga.com : Comment 3 of 291ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan Burström on 11-Apr-2003 20:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Frodon):
Your point beeing???
I'd probably be able to show you 10 other xml files with very similary syntax.
And I am pretty sure that Apple is not thanking them for the syntax. Will you
ever give this a rest??? Can you read any AOS4 post without having to make
erronous or degrading posts about it?

regards,
Stefan
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Posted by Jack Me on 11-Apr-2003 20:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Stefan Burström):
"Can you read any AOS4 post without having to make
erronous or degrading posts about it?"

No. I don't think he can.
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Posted by Stefan Burström on 11-Apr-2003 20:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Jack Me):
>No. I don't think he can.

lmao!

/Stefan
Article about Amidock in OS4 environment on os.amiga.com : Comment 6 of 291ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 11-Apr-2003 20:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Stefan Burström):
hey, it was a silly reaction, but that's not really serious...

So, back to the topic, hey, this application.library looks interesting, even if it says nothing about the state of OS4, it sounds good. Does it run on OS 3 BTW ? (could be useful)
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Posted by Leki on 11-Apr-2003 21:04 GMT
looks good.....cant wait to see everything in OS4 on my AmigaOne :)
Article about Amidock in OS4 environment on os.amiga.com : Comment 8 of 291ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 11-Apr-2003 21:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (mahen):
The application.library seems nice and useful. Hate those timed requesters
popping up when playing a game in Windows. Ans some of my programs on the Amiga
dislikes the screensaver. Much nicer to have the program telling it to shut up
rather than me having to shut it down manually (the reason I don't run it at
all). The unified preferences thing is nice, even though I suppose its
transparent for most users(?).

The features of Amidock seem very usefull - I really look forward to what the
clever coders will make with all these Dockies, Alpha channels and features
linking directly into the OS for information. I foresee some stunningly
functional desktops in the future.Let's hope the default look is nice enough
too - that's what's going to run on displays and fairs after all...
.
SlimJim
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Posted by SlimJim on 11-Apr-2003 21:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (SlimJim):
Oh my, that was many 'useful' and 'nice' in on post... Have to vary my language
more in the future ;-)
.
SlimJim
Article about Amidock in OS4 environment on os.amiga.com : Comment 10 of 291ANN.lu
Posted by Xeyes on 11-Apr-2003 21:54 GMT
You all forgot to comment on the fact that Club Amiga information isn't being withheld from non-members. A step in the right direction, if you ask me. Credit where credit is due.
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Posted by Troels Ersking on 11-Apr-2003 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Xeyes):
Yes... Thats nice to see.

Would have liked to see an entire issue, just to see what you get for those $50. Not that I would ever consider paying that amount for a monthly online mag and a non-existing T-shirt.

Still think the yearly subscribtion is far too high.
Article about Amidock in OS4 environment on os.amiga.com : Comment 12 of 291ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Jörg Frieden on 11-Apr-2003 22:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Raffaele):
> XML, that is (after all) a script language..
...
> ***ANY*** configuration file could contain ***MALICIOUS CODE***!

I propose you go an read something about XML before posting such a heap of crap. XML is *not* a scripting language.

> Not only, but they raises it to the level of that XMeLling thingie that is
> Office XP, the XML standard save-it-all program.

I propose you start reading at www.w3c.org/XML, instead of disqualifying yourself with such ridiculous comments.
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Posted by mahen on 11-Apr-2003 22:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Hans-Jörg Frieden):
I thought that was humour.

Calm down ! It's no use getting agressive this quickly !!
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Posted by catohagen on 11-Apr-2003 22:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Frodon):
>I think they should have put a "Thanks Apple Computer Inc, for the XML
>prefs files syntax".

and i think Morphos should have a "Thanx Amiga Inc, for the Amiga API" :)
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Posted by mahen on 11-Apr-2003 22:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (catohagen):
and amiga inc should say thanks hyperion for OS 4 development for free :)
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 11-Apr-2003 23:12 GMT
Gee... another company fell for the XML hype :/

What was wrong about IFF? XML is 1:1 mappable to IFF, only slower, much slower.

The ease of editing of XML files, which could be the only real advantage over IFF, is easily demonstrated to be a moot point if we consider that it doesn't take much to write a generic IFF editor.

The only thing that IFF lacks of, is the ability to name chunks with real names, rather than numbers. I can easily imagine a way to extend IFF to make it handle named chunks as well.

Oh well...
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Posted by Raffaele on 12-Apr-2003 00:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (mahen):
Mr. Mahen wrote:

>I thought that was humour.
>
>Calm down ! It's no use getting agressive this quickly !!

Yeah, man! You're right! Cool Dude.

Infact XML currently is not XMeLling, it is just X$t(h)inking...

Hum..

Think? Sthink? $tink? M$tink? M$Think?

I saw a picture with this motto drawn on it in an office of someone, somewhere...

And more I saw someone else MAC-OSXtinking in a "different" way...

;-)))))))))))))))

Bye,

Raffaele
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Posted by Raffaele on 12-Apr-2003 00:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Fabio Alemagna):
Fabio???

Ehm... maybe this will happen if Amiga Inc. will be so strong to raise again IFF developing department and mantaining & registration service as CBM did...

And not as a simple Amiga feature...

While expecting, all of us can take a look at the great site:

http://www.users.bigpond.com/james.jacobs/reg/iff.html

chumnk, chunk, chump, chunk... Glommm... *B***RP*... -"pardon!"...

Bye,

Raffaele
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 12-Apr-2003 01:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Raffaele):
> Fabio???

Yes?

> Ehm... maybe this will happen if Amiga Inc. will be so strong to raise again IFF
> developing department and mantaining & registration service as CBM did...

The point of having named chunks is that you don't need a registration service. That's the only thing (or perhaps one of the few ones) that needs to be added to IFF to make it be a perfectly equally functional solution to XML, only much faster to handle and much less memory hungry.
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Posted by Raffaele on 12-Apr-2003 01:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Fabio Alemagna):
Yes, you're right, but only a committee (of programmers & developers) can decide how implement it...

Just to avoid future complains from other developers...

don't you agree???

Bye
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 12-Apr-2003 01:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Raffaele):
> Yes, you're right, but only a committee (of programmers & developers) can decide
> how implement it...
>
> Just to avoid future complains from other developers...
>
>don't you agree???

Sure.
Article about Amidock in OS4 environment on os.amiga.com : Comment 22 of 291ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 12-Apr-2003 02:26 GMT
http://os.amiga.com/images/cam/issue2/alpha.jpg

These GUI settings look quite nice. That steel texture is a vast improvement over the last one we saw. Nice.
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Posted by James Carroll on 12-Apr-2003 02:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (James Carroll):
Actually, that font looks nice as well. Very very nice. I like.
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 12-Apr-2003 03:11 GMT
I rambled on about such things at length on AmiOpen, probably misguidedly and to no good end. But if I understand this right, consider this-

If app.library is handling all the calls to set this data/metadata/whatever you'd care to call it, *it's* responsible for creating the XML representation. *If* IFF is better, then it should be relatively easy to change the representation to IFF someday... and, perhaps, create a Datatype to dump XML back out of it, should XML prove more manipulable than IFF?

This brings to mind a few questions:
-What the heck *was* Microsoft's rationale in creating the Registry?
-Any chance this will avoid creating the equivalent? (Is clear distinction made between editing an individual app preference - "Ooh, I like the Amy Squirrel skin!" - and a system-wide policy - "The following apps are allowed priority over non-critical alerts?")
-I forgot what the third question was.

Anyhow, look at it this way; if Unicode is the world's ASCII, XML is the world's IFF. The whole point of XML is to ensure that everyone, on every platform, will have to eat the same dogfood for structured data. From a practical standpoint, this means that, theoretically, good XML tools will become as prevalent as good flat-text editors and filesystem manipulators (and I mean "COPY," "DELETE," etc) are today, and thus you wouldn't *have* to go scrounging for an IFF editor to, say, repair some settings on a hosed 'miggy from a Windows or *NIX box... though it's true that, given a bad DTD, you might wish you were 'just' editing hex.
Article about Amidock in OS4 environment on os.amiga.com : Comment 25 of 291ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 12-Apr-2003 04:15 GMT
Two random ideas strike:

-What if the screen titlebar were just another dock/docky/set of dockies, with special behavior on click+drag events?

-Template dockies. Templates (in the Lisa and OS/2 sense) within folders always broke the desktop metaphor a bit, being "special" icons; drag operations mean 'move' or 'copy' (itself a headache, between systems and configurations) for everything else, but for some reason, templates get to be special. Docks/taskbars/etc don't obey the metaphors anyway, so they seem like a good place to stick such 'unusual' features. (Heck, you probably don't need a docky for this, just a 'Make template' option that would copy-on-drag and copy-and-open-copy on open.)

-The ability to restrict docks/subdocks to objects of certain types might be a good idea, if it's not already there. Thus the default install might ship with a 'filing cabinet' (hd0:, cd0:, Work: or the equivalent, maybe a Bookmarks file/folder), a 'monitoring/control panel' of dockies, and a main dock playing the Start Menu/task-switcher role. I'm getting deja vu on this one... Someone kick me if any of these features are already there, or if I'm stealing/repeating someone else's/my own ideas. ;)
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 12-Apr-2003 04:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
> Two random ideas strike:

The other day I couldn't read, today I can't count. : |
Article about Amidock in OS4 environment on os.amiga.com : Comment 27 of 291ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2003 04:45 GMT
Useless info with pictures what could have been made up by any paint program, release a product for once.
Article about Amidock in OS4 environment on os.amiga.com : Comment 28 of 291ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 12-Apr-2003 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Frodon):
FYI: Any XML file looks similar. XML *defines* the basic appearance.
Article about Amidock in OS4 environment on os.amiga.com : Comment 29 of 291ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 12-Apr-2003 06:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Raffaele):
FYI: XML is *no* scripting language, it is not executed. Ignorance or intention?
Article about Amidock in OS4 environment on os.amiga.com : Comment 30 of 291ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 12-Apr-2003 06:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Fabio Alemagna):
XML is standard, its perfect for the job of preferences files and its easily editable.

I dont know how *you* would interpret what is basically an ascii file but tell me what should be so resource-wasting? ... one single time when the program starts.

Then there are lots of things you dont know. E.g. the app library could cache the results (if the interpretation were resource hungry, which it is not).
Article about Amidock in OS4 environment on os.amiga.com : Comment 31 of 291ANN.lu
Posted by Denis Troller on 12-Apr-2003 07:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Raffaele):
Have you ever read anything about XML ?

You should try and understand what it is before posting such declarations.

XML is a descriptive language (much like HTML is, only more generally. And I mean HTML, don't tell me about Javascript). There is no code in there.

It is only a human readable version of IFF, some would say, with a mean of checking the syntax of the file more thoroughly.
In fact it is simpler to use than IFF, but more time and memory consuming, that's all.

Unifying the prefs in a common format is a good point. It improves the system consistency and reduce the number of potential bugs in applications (libraries are here for that).
Choosing XML over IFF is a choice, which can be debated over a century :)

And as those that loath windows registry... (not about you, Raffaele, but as I'm there...)
Take a specific folder (make it S:Prefs/Presets).
Use it to store system-wide preferences, using a folder tree
(something like PREFS:presets/System/pointer/, PREFS:presets/Software/Golded/...)
You've got yourself a windows like registry, congratulations.
Only windows enforces the access through system functions. Good for applications, not that good for experienced users.
Throw in some 64 bits GUID, and you've got it (which creates a nice and generalized mumbo jumbo feeling :)).

No voodoo black magic in there. Registry is something useful to store system wide parameters, register components, etc. The problem is that it too often inflates and get corrupted. This problem comes from bad de-installer programs and crashes.

Sorry, I got carried on over a bit there :)

But don't dismiss anything because it's Microsoft earmarked. There are some good points.
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Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 07:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Frodon):
Frodon: big shame on you ! I won't sleep with you anymore ;)

More seriously, this is nice to see but when we will have some kind of accurate progress report ? There seems to be really nice things done *around OS4*, but, is the *core* of OS4 ready ?

(it's a bit a pity to see a few things that are not yet part of MOS, but which were done for an OS which is not ready yet :-/ )
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Posted by Don Cox on 12-Apr-2003 07:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Frodon):
"I think they should have put a "Thanks Apple Computer Inc, for the XML
prefs files syntax".
Looking at the screenshot, it's the exact same syntax than in MacOS X
prefs files."

That is a good thing. It will help programmers like Deron (Pagestream) who have both Mac and Amiga versions of their programs.

As for XML versus IFF, the great advantage of an ASCII format is that a user can check it in an emergency. Instead of having to delete the whole Prefs file when it gets corrupted, you can load up a text editor and look for something like a page width set to 65478965400 mm.
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Posted by Frodon on 12-Apr-2003 07:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Stefan Burström):
Hello Stefan,

It was just an observation, nothing more.

Regards
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Posted by Frodon on 12-Apr-2003 08:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Stefan Burström):
Hello Stefan,

Additionally, I don't see where you see degrading thing in my comment... Why should there always be a point to a comment? Can't comment be just an observation sometimes?

Regards
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Posted by Frodon on 12-Apr-2003 08:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Stefan Burström):
Hello Stefan,

Btw if you point at the "Thanks to Apple..." part, it was just humoristic and so was not serious at all.

Regards
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Posted by Hans-Jörg Frieden on 12-Apr-2003 08:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (mahen):
Where are the smilies then? It just serves to confuse and spread rumour again. I don't think its funny.
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Posted by Frodon on 12-Apr-2003 08:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Don Cox):
Hello Don,

" That is a good thing. It will help programmers like Deron (Pagestream) who have both Mac and Amiga versions of their programs. "

Yes I agree. This is a good thing in my opinion, indeed.

Regards
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Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Hans-Jörg Frieden):
People are too nervous here. It's not good for your health guys !
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Posted by Hans-Jörg Frieden on 12-Apr-2003 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Fabio Alemagna):
> What was wrong about IFF?

Try editing it in a text editor. IFF requires you to have the tools. If however your program cannot run for some reason, XML is much better since you can actually edit it by hand.

By the same reasoning, you could argue that startup-sequence should be replaced by an execuable. Same functionality, but scripts are so much slower.

> The ease of editing of XML files, which could be the only real advantage over > IFF, is easily demonstrated to be a moot point if we consider that it doesn't > take much to write a generic IFF editor.

How do you write a "generic IFF editor"? You need to know the interpretation of the data in a hunk. A longword might mean a longword, a float, two words, four bytes, or the beginning/part of a string. In XML, this is obvious.

> The only thing that IFF lacks of, is the ability to name chunks with real
> names, rather than numbers. I can easily imagine a way to extend IFF to make
> it handle named chunks as well.

Why re-invent the wheel when someone else already did that? Why write your own set of tools when they are available already with a file format that does exactly the same?
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Posted by Hans-Jörg Frieden on 12-Apr-2003 08:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Raffaele):
I do think I overreacted. I apologize.
But please, *if* you think it was funny, place a smiley somewhere so that people see it is supposed to be funny. Most people will believe that.
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Posted by Frodon on 12-Apr-2003 08:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Hans-Jörg Frieden):
Hello,

" But please, *if* you think it was funny, place a smiley somewhere so that people see it is supposed to be funny. Most people will believe that"

Yes and so I've to apology also to have forgotten to put a smiley at the end of my "Thanks to Apple..." sentence . Because it was also purely humoristic. Sorry for people who take it seriously. Here is the missing smiley: ;-)

Regards
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2003 08:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Raffaele):
Bullshit, XML iS NOT scripting language. XML is language which can vbe used to create standard documents, settings files etc. XML can also be used when you want to access databases. XML is not scripting language, you really should check your inorm,ation before you start to shout your opinions here. It's wery good that XML is now officially part of the AmigaOS, because XML is more and more popular in the mainstream too. There is already expat.library for the curent AmigaOS also and I have started to use it in my own project. expat.library is XML-parser library.
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2003 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (mahen):
If that was humour then he does not know what humour menas :P
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Posted by Richi on 12-Apr-2003 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Fabio Alemagna):
If i remember well they can't use iff because H&G didn't give them the rights!

Good Luck OS4!
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Posted by Super Dude on 12-Apr-2003 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
Calm down. XML is by itself nothing. It's the interpretor that will parse the code and it's the interpretor that will choose whatever actions it finds suitable. XML can very well be used as a scripting language, although it is not intended for it. If the parser will interpret XML code as a scripting language than the parser is free to do so.

However, in this particular case (and in just about any other case involving XML) the primary use is storage of information (such as documents and configuration data).
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 12-Apr-2003 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
> Anyhow, look at it this way; if Unicode is the world's ASCII, XML is the world's
> IFF. The whole point of XML is to ensure that everyone, on every platform, will
> have to eat the same dogfood for structured data.

To do that, everyone, on every platform, will have to have a XML parser and a XML editor (no, editing non-trivial XML files with a text editor is _crazy_). So, what's the difference with everyone having a, say, iffparse.library and an IFF editor?

> From a practical standpoint, this means that, theoretically, good XML tools
> will become as prevalent as good flat-text editors and filesystem manipulators
> (and I mean "COPY," "DELETE," etc) are today,

Oh, see? You still rely on the hope that these tools become available to everyone... but so what would be different if instead of a textual XML a binary one was used? That's why I say that XML is hyped: because it's not worth a tenth of what they want us to believe. It's a bad solution to an already solved problem.

> and thus you wouldn't *have* to go scrounging for an IFF editor to,
> say, repair some settings on a hosed 'miggy from a Windows or *NIX box...

The only advantage of XML over IFF is that it's a widespread standard. That, however, doesn't make it a better solution.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 12-Apr-2003 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ketzer):
> XML is standard,

So what?

> its perfect for the job of preferences files.

It's overkill.

> its easily editable.

Yes, sure... for tiny files. Try with non-trivial ones.

XML is just bloat, there's nothing more to say.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 12-Apr-2003 09:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ketzer):
Forgot to reply to this part:

> I dont know how *you* would interpret what is basically an ascii file but tell
> me what should be so resource-wasting?

Can't guess? Perhaps the _parsing_ itself? Didn't you know that recognizing a structured ASCII file is much more costly than recognizing an equivalent binary file? Moreover, since XML converts _everthing_ in unicode, can you at least understand that _binary data_ will have to be first converted into a textual representation of some sort when saving the XML file, and then converted back to binary data when loading the XML? Moreover, XML files can be accessed only sequentially, that is to have to parse the whole file before getting to its end, even if you don't care about certain tags: this doesn't happen with IFF.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 12-Apr-2003 09:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Don Cox):
> As for XML versus IFF, the great advantage of an ASCII format is that a user can
> check it in an emergency. Instead of having to delete the whole Prefs file when
> it gets corrupted, you can load up a text editor and look for something like a
> page width set to 65478965400 mm.

So why not load up an IFF editor? You still need to load up _something_
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