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[News] Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now!ANN.lu
Posted on 12-Apr-2003 08:00 GMT by Mikey C51 comments
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Check http://www.compusa.com/ and search for Amiga it will bring up two products.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 1 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Apr-2003 06:10 GMT
Tsk tsk tsk... Amiga Games PocketPak 1 Brand: Microsoft...
ARGH!!!...
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 2 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 12-Apr-2003 06:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
That's not news. ((early y2002 AI said it's "Amiga" all over the M$ game packages, but then it appered that it's not quite so... just a boing ball.))
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 3 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 12-Apr-2003 06:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (priest):
No, actually. These new ones DO say "Amiga games" so it's a 100* improvement. ;)
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 4 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 12-Apr-2003 07:01 GMT
NO NOOOOO! That can't be, a real Amiga product for sale in a real computershop!!!!

Lets hope they are able to sell a lot of those, so the AA developers get some nice revenue. Actually I believe there's a demand for those games so it might be a succes.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 5 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 07:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Troels Ersking):
yep, those willing to support OS5 should buy them
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 6 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 12-Apr-2003 07:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Troels Ersking):
> That can't be, a real Amiga product for sale in a real computershop!!!!

It's a Microsoft branded Amiga *Inc* product, not an Amiga product (there is nothing Amiga about it at all).
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 7 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 07:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (takemehomegrandma):
hey, but it's a good thing; cash flow to fund our beloved OS4 ;)


okay I shut up :-/
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 8 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 12-Apr-2003 07:54 GMT
Well, it's a start. Get a couple more packs out, hype just a little bit, get a couple of million sales... Can be done. Time Will Tell.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 9 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by René W. Olsen on 12-Apr-2003 07:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (takemehomegrandma):
> It's a Microsoft branded Amiga *Inc* product, not an Amiga product (there is nothing Amiga about it at all).

What does a product need to be classified as an Amiga product ??
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 10 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 12-Apr-2003 08:09 GMT
My God...

Somebody help me...
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 11 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 12-Apr-2003 08:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Ben Yoris):
Whatcha need help with? :-)
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 12 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 12-Apr-2003 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Ole-Egil):
I bet he means with "air conditioning" tape or something like that which keeps him from crying out loud.... ? perhaps?
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 13 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 12-Apr-2003 08:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Ole-Egil):
Reality check... (perhaps) the best selling games for pocket PC is "Interstellar Flames " it has sold just a little bit over 8000.

So... the sales will not be in the millions in the near future. And the first 3D game for AA needs to be available yesterday...
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 14 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 12-Apr-2003 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (priest):
The best-selling PocketPC titles sell in far higher numbers than that.
Actually from what I heard that number was also a fair bit higher for Interstellar Flames, but I only got the number from someone involved in the project on an external basis.

The advantage that these packs have, is that any kid can go and drag their parents to the packs and say "Please buy this game.." - something you don't get on a webshop. It also makes it more likely that you buy it on impulse. It does have its advantages that you're a physical product in a shop.

Oh, the people who moan "this has nothing to do with Amiga.." think about this:
It's made by Amiga developers.
A lot of it was done on actual Amigas (in our case it was).
The games certainly have an oldschool Amiga quality to them, with an updated look.
They help fund projects for AmigaOS, and will eventually run on AmigaOS themselves.
Some of these games use features that will be in AmigaOS at a later date (already in AmigaDE).

The fact that these are out there in stores is a turning point for Amiga, hopefully.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 15 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 12-Apr-2003 09:12 GMT
Good to see some products appearing at retail outlets. Let's hope they sell well.
.
SlimJim
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 16 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 09:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
Well it certainly is of no help to AmigaOS4 right now. (Hyperion needs to make Mac games ports to fund the OS4 development). AmigaDE has nothing to do you the amiga.

Also, ex. amiga developers make PC or GBA games. And also, GBA games have this oldschool feeling of our old 2D games we cherish so much :)

Really, for the time being it's just good news for Amiga Inc itself !
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 17 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 12-Apr-2003 09:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
Ok. I must admit that I looked ony at the status at handago... stupid me...
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 18 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 09:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (mahen):
... however I understand why some people jumped on the AmigaDE wagon and I respect them... I almost purchased the DE player some time ago. I really think it's too bad for them they were abused this way :( Making games for microsoft, not contributing at all to the Amiga as we know it... It's really sad :(

(some fewer developers that could do great things for OS4/MOS/AROS/Amithlon :(
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 19 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 12-Apr-2003 09:26 GMT
a game pak for a pocket PC..... Yeah..... impulse and kid bugging you purchases..Is there any other way to indirectly play off of human traits.... to get people to buy...other than holding a gun to their head.I mean hell, if someone had to stop and actually think about what they are about to buy... they probably wouldn't...OK, so you know you are going to have some time to spare and need something to do on that flight....Ah a game pak.... where the biggest game is finding out whether or not the games are any fun.But what kid into games enough to know......Sum total... playing off of indirect motivation to buy... Yeah people will buy anything, even if they have absolutely no use for it, if you just market it the right way....Oh yeah... that's the promo.... if you support Amiga buy it....silly people....
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 20 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 12-Apr-2003 09:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (mahen):
> (some fewer developers that could do great things for OS4/MOS/AROS/Amithlon :(

...Or which would otherwise leave the Amiga realm completely, never to look back. Who knows?
.
SlimJim
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 21 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 10:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (SlimJim):
maybe :)

but maybe it's gonna have the same result :-/

maybe ppl were disgusted by the Amiga Inc curse... But the OS4 VS MOS thread ? But the AmigaOS or AmigaDE issue etc...

OK, I stop extrapolating :)
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 22 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (mahen):
not "but" but "by"
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 23 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 12-Apr-2003 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (mahen):
"some fewer developers that could do great things for OS4/MOS/AROS/Amithlon ..."

It's up to the developer if they develop only for one platform.

And I'm sure every developer needs to do something for living, to pay food & bills, OS4/MOS/AROS/Amithlon does not help in that area (IMO AA has better chance to deliver $$ in near future than any of those others).

Not sure if AA games sell already more than AOS3.x 68k games...
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 24 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 10:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (mahen):
not "thread" but "war"


am I drunk or what ?!
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 25 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 12-Apr-2003 10:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (mahen):
I don't know. Why don't you tell us? Are you drunk, or what? :-)
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 26 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (priest):
you're right. It's like Epic who earns money with its Mac ports and can then make Amiga / MOS ports. The danger is that some people migrate to the DE and forget the real Amiga.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 27 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2003 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
> It's made by Amiga developers.
> A lot of it was done on actual Amigas (in our case it was).

Cool. When will you release the game to the amiga community then? Should be no problem to do a simple recompile for 68k as has been developed for, with and by amiga.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 28 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 12-Apr-2003 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (mahen):
> Making games for microsoft, not contributing at all to the Amiga as we know it... It's really sad :(

Nonsense. Not only can developers survive that way and (theoretically) fund programming for OS4, their work will also run on Amigas eventually. But I agree that the common things between DE and OS arent that obvious yet.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 29 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ketzer):
read my post #26.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 30 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 12-Apr-2003 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (mahen):
then read my post again ;)

People "migrating" to DE are *not* abandoning AmigaOS (at "worst" it would be a temporary situation).
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 31 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ketzer):
I think it's very risky. I will make sense when OS4 & DE merge. But before that, it's just like developing for another platform (I think); and totally stopping AOS development for the DE is (to me) like abandoning the Amiga.

(considering the apparent progress of Amiga Inc with their DE - only released game packs for M$ recently -, and the fact they don't take part in the dev of OS4 at all is quite annopying; that even OS4 seems far from being ready for the market; etc etc)

So, It *may* bring some revenue, but I think it's a (temporary ?) loss of developers for the real Amiga community. (amigaOS etc)

Also, the fact that AInc doesn't fund at all the dev of OS4 does not encourage to take part in their DE. If they go bankrupt, AmigaOS will still be developed after all.

(we could gain however the java machine, when everything is integrated : in several years in the best case)
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 32 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (mahen):
BTW I'm speaking about people releasing stuff for the DE / AOS; not about the DE / AOS developers :)
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 33 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2003 11:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (takemehomegrandma):
Shut the f*** up! You're not the one who decides what's Amiga and what's not.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 34 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2003 11:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (mahen):
Those developers need to survive, by developing for the DE at least they have a chance at that. Developing SW right now for OS4 what is gonna bring to them?

>considering the apparent progress of Amiga Inc with their DE - only released
>game packs for M$ recently

No, those packs were ready over 5 months ago. Microsoft and the manufacturer of the cards screwed up big time.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 35 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 12-Apr-2003 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (mahen):
@Mahen

I can only say; if a developer find it impossible to develop for the classic/NG
Amiga scene (for whatever reason), I very much prefer them instead developing for
AmigaDE rather than switching to Mac or Windows development. Simple as that.
.
SlimJim
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 36 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 12-Apr-2003 11:33 GMT
O.k.
Lets see who wants to earn money from these:

CompUSA for keeping them in Stock.
M$ for allowing them to carry the MS-Label
TAO for the use of intent
??? for producing those cards
Zeneo/??? for writing those games
AInc for ..... don't ask me

Need to sell loooooooots of these before all those make a real profit.

About it being "Amiga" :

Aslong as OS5 is just fleecy's wet dream I fail to see how it is Amiga-related,
it doesn't run on Amiga, and that can't be changed in an easy way (different API)
It dosn't even help finacing anything Amiga-related, as AInc hasn't invested a
single penny in the Amiga for the last 3 years.

And yes there are better games for CE, and there are devices much more suitable
(and popular) for mobile gaming than CE-PDAs.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 37 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 12-Apr-2003 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Kronos):
You must be a devil with the ladies.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 38 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2003 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Kronos):
Actually it doesn't work like that, but since you seem to know everything I won't bother providing the answer. I see you must deal with a lot of large chains contracts
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 39 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 12-Apr-2003 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (corpse):
Yeah, but his points valid...

Dammy
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 40 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 12-Apr-2003 12:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (SlimJim):
then, that's a personal preference :)

But I'm sure you'll agree it's preferable to have a company that develops for AmigaOS + Mac than a company that migrates totally from AmigaOS to the DE. (as long as the DE and AOS are two separate entities)
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 41 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by AmigaRULEZ on 12-Apr-2003 12:59 GMT
People dont forget we have 2003!
The Name "Amiga" ist still alive!
Ok,it is under M$ but if the people see AMIGA is still alive ,they
have a chance to see that there is more than Amiga Anywhere!

Let the people get in touch with AmigaDE and show them that they can have
a real AMIGA today too!

Amiga in 2003 is more than what we understand under the name Amiga from the 80s!

Enjoy the chance that we can go many ways to show the people Amiga is still alive!

first under M$ later under many more solutions!
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 42 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 12-Apr-2003 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
Well, it's really designed for PDAs. Of course it *is* playable on a desktop machine, but it was designed from the beginning to be played on a device with a stylus.

Since it will be on AmigaOS from version 4.2 anyway I don't see a reason to have another version floating around. We'd really rather concentrate on getting our other projects done. And it would be more than a simple recompilation, since we did the initial version on Amiga and then moved it to AmigaDE (easy at that point). However, now it relies on some AmigaDE specific things, that would require that we wrote replacements for them in order to be able to run it in the normal AmigaOS.

So.. it'll come to AmigaOS when AmigaDE does.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 43 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Mary on 13-Apr-2003 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I found NET BSD 1.6 for the AMIGA. I'll have it installed next weekend.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 44 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by mary on 13-Apr-2003 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
opps, I ment Fry's. I go to both so often.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 45 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by CDR on 14-Apr-2003 07:01 GMT
Some people understand what's truly important, and that's that the Amiga name
is present in computer-shops, it tell's them it's alive, and that can bring new users to the platform.
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 46 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 14-Apr-2003 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (CDR):
Mr. CDR wrote:

>Some people understand what's truly important,
>and that's that the Amiga name is present in computer-shops,
>it tell's them it's alive, and that can bring new users to the platform.

Some people do understnd also that this will seems to the "man of the street" that Amiga is dead and the brand was used to sell tiny games.

Think at the "common man", (and maybe with a past of old computer user) he enters a shop and then he will see an Amiga DE games pack.

He start thinking:

- Atari is dead and it now is a brand for games of Playstation...
(USA, Canada, Japan and other countries)

- Amstrad is dead and now is a brand for compuer equipment
(Deutschland and other european countries)

- Commodore is dead and now it is a brand to sell computer equipmen and keyboards
(The Netherlands and other european Countries)

- And now Amiga also is only a brand to sell tiny games and not even good for the Playstation of my little (stupid) son...
(All countries in which Amiga DE pack is sold)

Bye,

Raffaele
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 47 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Apr-2003 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Raffaele):
Well, the Atari deal made me investigate what happened to them, so others may well do the same with Amiga and find out that more is going on...
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 48 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Apr-2003 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Raffaele):
But Amiga unlike the other name is not dead, it's just the beginning. And if your son is stupid, well... must have got it from his father
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 49 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 14-Apr-2003 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
An Anonyous writer wrote:

>But Amiga unlike the other name is not dead, it's just the beginning.
>And if your son is stupid,
>well... must have got it from his father

I am not the common man from the street as long I hope you are not son from anonymous father...

;-)))))))))))

Don't blame me for thiz, joo 4zkd '4' it, Dude...

Bye...
Amiga Anywhere at CompUSA Now! : Comment 50 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Apr-2003 17:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Raffaele):
Oh don't worry. Didn't understand that sentence at all 8)
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