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BBRV just announces on morphos-news.de that the promised G4 upgrade will be available on july 1st 2003. Read More
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 1 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 19-Apr-2003 10:25 GMT
Nice to see they are making an effort to help Pegasos owners keep up with the
Joneses after that dissapointing announcement of Pegasos II being the only
starting point for G4 after all the Jam Tommorow promises of G4 and Dual G4s being
available "soon after launch".
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 2 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-Apr-2003 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (DaveP):
A G4 based mainboard including two operating systems starting from 499EUR isn't
bad :)
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 3 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 19-Apr-2003 10:39 GMT
Pegasos, $299 USD + 200 Euro = 328.10 UKP


Well, it's still less than 500 UKP for a G4XE AmigaOne, but Amiga Inc. spent more than $3 million US, to buy the Amiga IP rights from Gateway 2000.

Factor that in, and they've still got a long way to go to break even.

All I can say is, AOS4.0 is made from the original source code.

AmigaOne! It's your call!
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 4 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 19-Apr-2003 10:50 GMT
Emphasis on "being made" .. "when its done" is getting a new meaning here ;-)
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 5 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-Apr-2003 11:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Atheist2):
sorry, it's a bit off topic ;) but
it's not AmigaInc which makes the amigaone and determines its price !

Anyway, I really think it's much better to wait for the peg 2 (if available in/before september) instead of jumping on the G4 upgrade for peg1...
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 6 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Saint on 19-Apr-2003 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Atheist2):
The Pegasos 1 does NOT cost 299$, that was just an offer to Developers and other people that could help pushing the market.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 7 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Pop Sensation on 19-Apr-2003 11:30 GMT
"that the promised G4 upgrade will be available on july 1st 2003"

I will remember that line and see if the products come out, Buck has released all the products he promised so hopefully he will continue to keep up his good record, the guy even exchanges t-shirts what came with a pegasos if they are the wrong size.

Buck is proving to be a great head of a company.

Maybe Amiga Inc would like to contact Buck and ask him how he managed to get t-shirts printed as Amiga Inc are truly pathetic creatures who claim to be Amigas future but have a problem getting t-shirts printed.

Bill McWeen 2001 claimed "AmigaOS is dead"
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 8 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by don on 19-Apr-2003 11:45 GMT
why wait all the way until july to get G4 when you can buy an AmigaOne G4 NOW
and actually be able to run AmigaOS 4 on it in the future......i dont see why the long time amiga users would want to leave the Amiga scene and go for an alternative platform and other operating system.....they might aswell just got a mac ages ago.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 9 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Apr-2003 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Pop Sensation):
Bill McWeen 2001 claimed "AmigaOS is dead"

Nice & out of context.

It was that old 68k AmigaOS was dead.

The new was Amima-DE made into a full blown OS but that did not work out so now we have Aos4 in the works.

Now cut or old news crap.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 10 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 19-Apr-2003 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (don):
why wait all the way until july to get G4 when you can buy an AmigaOne G4 NOW
and actually be able to run AmigaOS 4 on it in the future..
-

Because some people don't want to run Linux. Some people like me for example, want either official OS4, or at least Amiga-like OS.
".. in the future" .. might take months. By the end of 2003 we should be more wiser. What concerns me is that not even one showdown of OS4 has been presented publicly. I take it as it's not in demoable stage, which means long way till it's released.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 11 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Apr-2003 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (hooligan/dcs):
"""Because some people don't want to run Linux. Some people like me for example, want either official OS4, or at least Amiga-like OS.
".. in the future" .. might take months. By the end of 2003 we should be more wiser. What concerns me is that not even one showdown of OS4 has been presented publicly. I take it as it's not in demoable stage, which means long way till it's released."""

Wrong logic.

1) You dont know how long it will take to be in a demoable stage if you have not seen it already.

2) You dont know in what finished state the demo will be in.

3) You dont know if hyperion plan to evem do a demo at all & instead show the full finished product In wich case estimates from state of demo to finish=null.

And with the reaction of ppl to screen shots of Aos4 & the demo of the new exec i would not bother with any demos for ppl to slag of & start rumors & then haveing hyperion team waste yet more time going around the forms to put the rumors right instead of finshishing Aos4 as if they keept quiet to finish of Aos4 & not put the rumos down then ppl will say they must be true.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 12 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 19-Apr-2003 12:08 GMT
So the G4 upgrade that wasn't possible because of the Artica being such a crap chip is in actual fact possible ... Could the fact that the Amiga One G4 is shipping now have made this possible ;)
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 13 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Apr-2003 12:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (hooligan/dcs):
To add i get asking day in day out IS IT finished yet at work.

if i say NO that in noway states how close to being finhished i am.

It could be 1 minute or 8 hours away.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 14 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by don on 19-Apr-2003 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (hooligan/dcs):
OS4 is only for Amiga computers....pegasos isn`t an Amiga.....if your happy with something slightly amiga like that cant run any future AmigaOS software then stick with it....personally im going to be an proud Amiga user for many years to come. If people want to leave the Amiga platform now after all this time for computers like the pegasos and an OS like morphos then thats there (strange) choice.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 15 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 19-Apr-2003 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (corpse):
Hi corpse, that is not what we said...

We said we would not sell a version of the Pegasos I with the G4 card as a complete product. We have sold out another production of the Pegasos I G3s with April2 -- all 400. In July, we will offer a G4 upgrade for 200 Euros to these Pegasos I buyers. In September (perhaps before to the existing Pegasos I users), we will offer the Pegasos II with the G4 card. The existing G3 card will work on the Pegasos II (and we will continue to sell the G3 card with the Pegasos II as the "basic" system). Also, all Pegasos I users can exchange their Pegasos I with G3 card and 200 Euros for a new Pegasos II and G4 card. Whew...did I miss something? Try reading that a few times if you do not understand it...;-)

Finally, we intend on offering a software bundle to all Pegasos I owners that will be a VERY good package for a VERY small price. We want a solid group of happy users to be ready to welcome hundreds of new Pegasos II users to the Community. They will be joinus here, on amiga.org, ANN, amiga-news, morphos-news, the morphzone.org and phinixi.com starting in September and we want everyone to be ready for them...;-)

We will begin to discuss this on the Phoenix Reseller mailing list next week. We will get all this clarified in detail on this mailing list.

Best regards to all for a Happy Easter or a Happy whatever you celebrate,

Raquel and Bill
Genesi
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 16 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 19-Apr-2003 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (don):
Who said I will not get A1 _WHEN_ OS4 is ready? So I will be running NG Amiga software just as much as anyone else.

And about Hyperion not wanting to demo the OS.. let's quit being naive, shall we? The OS is not in demoable condition and there's not much to add to that.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 17 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Jörg Frieden on 19-Apr-2003 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (hooligan/dcs):
> And about Hyperion not wanting to demo the OS.. let's quit being naive, shall
> we? The OS is not in demoable condition and there's not much to add to that.

Yes, from all people in the world *you* would know, wouldn't you?

Fact is that you don't know a bit, but post anyway.

Now go ahead and post another "f*ck of and die" message of yours.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 18 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by don on 19-Apr-2003 12:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (hooligan/dcs):
"And about Hyperion not wanting to demo the OS.. let's quit being naive, shall we? The OS is not in demoable condition and there's not much to add to that."

sure and you know it all dont you....you dont have a clue as much as the next person as to if its in demoable condiction so please dont post as if you know.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 19 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 19-Apr-2003 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Hans-Jörg Frieden):
Now go ahead and finish the god damn OS.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 20 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Jörg Frieden on 19-Apr-2003 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (hooligan/dcs):
> Now go ahead and finish the god damn OS.

Now go ahead and shut up if you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Unless you can actually back up what you are saying, you are just spreading FUD, nothing else.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 21 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Pop Sensation on 19-Apr-2003 12:56 GMT
Do not worry folks everything is "On schedule and rocking"
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 22 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 19-Apr-2003 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Hans-Jörg Frieden):
Spreading FUD!? Can you read "What concerns me..." in my comment. I am talking about me, my opinions, my guesses. Since when has opinions been FUD?
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 23 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-Apr-2003 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Hans-Jörg Frieden):
What are you talking about ? He just said that OS 4 was obviously not ready as we have not scene a single demo of it. It's just common sense. How can you attack him for that ? Calm down.

But please, it's a MOS thread, please go & fight each other somewhere else.

HJF: if you don't give us more info, how can he know he spreads fud ?
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 24 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Jörg Frieden on 19-Apr-2003 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (hooligan/dcs):
> Spreading FUD!? Can you read "What concerns me..." in my comment.
> I am talking about me, my opinions, my guesses.
> Since when has opinions been FUD?

No. You said

"Who said I will not get A1 _WHEN_ OS4 is ready? So I will be running NG Amiga software just as much as anyone else.

And about Hyperion not wanting to demo the OS.. let's quit being naive, shall we? The OS is not in demoable condition and there's not much to add to that. "

There is no "what concerns me" or anything else in your comment. You state as fact what you don't know and cannot backup. And when asked to stop this, you retort with "Now go ahead and finish the god damn OS."

*Opinions* start with "I think" or "In my opinion", not with "The OS is not in a demoable condition".

Ergo: You are spreading FUD. Or call it "rumours" if you want.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 25 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Apr-2003 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (mahen):
[quote]What are you talking about ? He just said that OS 4 was obviously not ready as we have not scene a single demo of it. It's just common sense. How can you attack him for that ? Calm down.[/quote]


No he did not say just that.

As he added to when he thinks Aos4 will be finished & thats what he is being attacked on cos with out seeing A demo he has no way of knowing to when aos4 mite be ready, so he should shut up on telling ppl when Aos4 will be ready
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 26 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-Apr-2003 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Hans-Jörg Frieden):
Ah it's allways fun when certain people go back to rhetoris and start shouting
"FUD", instead of argueing/answering the original point.

So:
a) OS4 won't be seen until it is ready for release
b) We would like to show a demo, but OS4 ain't ready for it

Your comments (or was it Ben ?) regarding your non-attendance to the scandinavian
show a few weeks ago suggets something more along the lines of b).

But aslong as you only say that you say nothing we "mortals" have only guess-
work. Somehow I don't view a) as an good idea in what is a competive market,
and do think Hyperion is smart enough to see it the same way.

/me waits to see how this will be turned against me ....
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 27 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Apr-2003 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (mahen):
HJF: if you don't give us more info, how can he know he spreads fud ?

The fact that your asking for more info means that you dont have enough info to even make such a statement about Aos4 being ready in the first place.

Not having info does not give you the right to make up info.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 28 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Dr Harold Shipman UK on 19-Apr-2003 13:18 GMT
OS4 will not be out for ages, is that not plain the see? do you Amigans know the difference between reality and magical fantasy land?

Also why are you people bringing this stuff up in threads which has nothing to do with the topic? very sad people indeed
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 29 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-Apr-2003 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
I don't know... I just think & hope we will see "proofs" of OS4 getting near completion. There will necessarily been some form of demo before OS 4 is ready for purchase. I would be surprised to see directly a fully working OS 4 available for consumers. A demo would prove OS 4 detractors wrong. Why wouldn't they do that ? - that how I understood his point -

But I may be wrong.

OK, I shut up, I'm feeding the fights now.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 30 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 19-Apr-2003 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Hans-Jörg Frieden):
Ok, just to make you happy. I will rephrase my comment, everyone can just forget my original comment. Here we go:

In my opinion the fact that OS4 has not been demoed publicly yet, makes me wonder if it's still months away.

Hopefully I was not fudding this time.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 31 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-Apr-2003 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Dr Harold Shipman UK):
this always happens...

* sigh *

back to the topic

I have 2 questions to BBRV :

if I buy the G4 upgrade in July, how much will it cost me to upgrade to peg 2 in september ?

(please choose a fanless G4, it's definitely a big advantage to have a perfectly silent computer :)

Also, any other info about the soft bundle ;) ?
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 32 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 19-Apr-2003 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Dr Harold Shipman UK):
That would be my fault, partially. I apologise.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 33 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Bret "the hitman" Heart Fan on 19-Apr-2003 13:24 GMT
Hans why is it you and Hermans keep crying FUD all the time? IMO you guys are a bunch of amateurs acting like children in a playground, why not stop talking and start producing products and for once update your antique website.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 34 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-Apr-2003 13:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (hooligan/dcs):
hey, nice, you see, it's not difficult not to stir up flames ! Everyone can do it ;) ;)
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 35 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Jörg Frieden on 19-Apr-2003 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Kronos):
> Ah it's allways fun when certain people go back to rhetoris and start shouting
> "FUD", instead of argueing/answering the original point.

You should know. You're an expert. Didn't you claim on Amiga.org that the whole of Hyperion was woring on Mac ports, only to later admit that you didn't know but was just "thinking to remember something"?

Don't bother to reply.

> Your comments (or was it Ben ?) regarding your non-attendance to the
> scandinavian show a few weeks ago suggets something more along the
> lines of b).

Correct me if I am wrong, but that was about 20 days ago, wasn't it? Things have changed since then.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 36 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 19-Apr-2003 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (mahen):
Nope. I am just learning the basic skills of communicating here :)
It's just that what HJ thinks is FUD, differs from my definition of it. Merely a case of how to look at things, thats all.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 37 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-Apr-2003 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (hooligan/dcs):
clearly
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 38 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga User on 19-Apr-2003 13:31 GMT
MorphOS and Pegasos are killing the Amiga, DO NOT BUY GENESI PRODUCTS!
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 39 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-Apr-2003 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Amiga User):
cool, everyone is joining the party :)
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 40 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Jörg Frieden on 19-Apr-2003 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
> HJF: if you don't give us more info, how can he know he spreads fud ?

Don't spread anything. I am not going to comment on when the next Mercedes Benz will be on sale since I don't have any insight on the topic. So if I state "The new Mercedes Benz is not yet ready", I am spreading FUD.

The general rule is to not believe anything that doesn't come from the source.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 41 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-Apr-2003 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Hans-Jörg Frieden):
You still haven't answered the original question (but I didn't expect you to).
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 42 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Apr-2003 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (mahen):
"I don't know... I just think & hope we will see "proofs" of OS4 getting near completion. There will necessarily been some form of demo before OS 4 is ready for purchase. I would be surprised to see directly a fully working OS 4 available for consumers. A demo would prove OS 4 detractors wrong. Why wouldn't they do that ? - that how I understood his point -

But I may be wrong.

OK, I shut up, I'm feeding the fights now."


Well you dont know hyperion very well at all.

Most of the ppl calling for the demo have already bought into a pegaosos/mos

The motives for seeing Aos4 could be so to just to slag it off or hope that it aint as good as MOS so that they can feel at easy with the choice of going for pegasos/MOS.

Some other are only intrested in Umulator & Aros & hope to put enough ppl off Aos4 thus hope that everyone will just leave there real amigas & aone to rott

thus bolster the need for the Umulator & Aros.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 43 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Mike on 19-Apr-2003 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Hans-Jörg Frieden):
>> And about Hyperion not wanting to demo the OS.. let's quit being naive, shall
>> we? The OS is not in demoable condition and there's not much to add to that.

> There is no "what concerns me" or anything else in your comment. You state as > fact what you don't know and cannot backup. And when asked to stop this, you > retort with "Now go ahead and finish the god damn OS."

What is a demoable thing? It's something that can be demoed and is demoed. AFAIK we didn't see any demo of AmigaOS 4 yet. So for now AmigaOS 4 is not yet demoed and if it's in a demoed state that would be stupid from Hyperion to not do a demo as quickly as possible.

So as soon as there is no public demo of the AmigaOS 4 (that can be a simple Video), it's obvious that people will consider AmigaOS 4 as a not yet demoable system. A thing is becoming demoable in the opinion of the public when the public as soon as the public see a demo of it.

The public don't care at all that a thing is privately running and thoerically demoable. They just base their opinion on PUBLIC facts. There is not yet public facts to prove that it's demoable.

So Mr Frieden, if you care to prove what you claim, just prepare a public demo of AmigaOS 4 (a Video is probably the best and easiest way to do a first demo).

So as soon as you don't provide a public demo in any form, please stop attacking people who state that OS 4 is not in a demoable state. As soon as there is no public demo, it's by default considered as a not demoable thing, even if you don't like that (and it's the same for anything in this world).
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 44 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Jörg Frieden on 19-Apr-2003 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (hooligan/dcs):
> Ok, just to make you happy.

If you want to make me happy just don't post about the topic in the first place.

Anyway, have it your way. You're not going to have yourself stopped just because you are wrong.

It's off topic anyway.
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 45 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Jörg Frieden on 19-Apr-2003 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Dr Harold Shipman UK):
yet another prophet
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 46 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Apr-2003 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Mike):
Well MIKE how close is Aos4 demoable state ?
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 47 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-Apr-2003 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Anonymous):
I don't think so. That was not what I meant.

Showing a little demo, would just show ppl the product really exists & is advanced. Even if they didn't let ppl touch the product and see its flaws, they could just show us it's real & almost ready.

Not showing anything can only be worse : obviously, it will make more ppl make some products from the competitor (not to say join the competition which is stupid - speaking in camps), or make more people leave the amiga community.

I really can't see what is bad in showing some demos. So, if demos can't be done yet, it *may* mean the product is not advanced enough yet (initial point).
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 48 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-Apr-2003 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (mahen):
-make +buy
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 49 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Mike on 19-Apr-2003 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Anonymous):
> Well MIKE how close is Aos4 demoable state ?

I can't really answer to that question as I don't have the information for that.

But I consider myself a product as being demoable as soon as there is a demo.
So AmigaOS 4 will be in a demoable state as soon as there will be a public demonstration of it.

Before, Hyperion representatives can claim what they want, if they don't provide any proof of any sort, it will be remain "vaporware announcement".
G4 Upgrade for Peg 1 owners : Comment 50 of 159ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Apr-2003 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Mike):
Mike & some others here

If i were hyperion i would not give a damn about your request for a demo.
cos all you do is attack hyperion most of the time so why would they want to do things just on your say so.

As your not worth scrapeping off my boot.
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