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[Web] AROS News Update + ScreenshotsANN.lu
Posted on 25-Apr-2003 17:04 GMT by 4pLaY22 comments
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AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 1 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Apr-2003 16:03 GMT
Looking very professional.

Mason's icons are good as usual, but I do wonder why an icon for a Drawer would be a picture of a file? Anyway, they look nice.
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 2 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Apr-2003 18:53 GMT
Looks better and better, AHI prefs looks realy nice,
the icons looks whery nice as well,
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 3 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 25-Apr-2003 19:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Don Cox):
> But I do wonder why an icon for a Drawer would be a picture of a file?

What are you referring to?
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 4 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by DDJ on 26-Apr-2003 03:59 GMT
Congratulations Fabio and all AROS Team, this is very very good news, i think AROS is the future for this so expensive Plataform, even if we need to pay for AROS :), this will be the best option for the majority of us :).
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 5 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 26-Apr-2003 05:20 GMT
Always nice to see progress on AROS. :-)

I would like to throw in a comment about SkyOS (skyos.org), an x86 hobby OS designed to run on 486 hardware and up with almost all features necessary to make it a complete desktop OS. It has support for most known kernel features plus a graphical desktop, OpenGL support, DVD playback and MP3 playback.

Why am I writing about this?

Because it was mostly designed and programmed by one single person over the course of 6 years.

If this one person could do that, I'm sure this would be a good inspiration to the AROS people to keep going. :-)
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 6 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Apr-2003 06:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Fabio Alemagna):
See
http://www.aros.org/pictures/screenshots/20030425/icons+ahi+datatypes.png

The window marked "System" contains lots of nice looking blue images of files, such as one would find in a filing cabinet, but from the names these refer to drawers. Same in the Prefs window.

A file in real life is an envelope or folded piece of paper, containing a number of documents. A small database on one topic.

A drawer is a box which slides in and out of a cabinet.

If we are going to use the filing cabinet as a metaphor for the way data are stored on disk, the images ought to match the mataphor. The Amiga's metaphor is admittedly a bit confused as most of it refers to a wood working shop, with a Workbench and Drawers containing Tools and Projects - but we have got in the habit of talking about files, as though it was an office, not a workshop.

Really, the project icons ought to show wooden toys, chairs, etc.


I do like the look of the AROS screen - like Amiga but a bit smarter. Greatly preferable to the current Mac OS X or Windows XP styles, IMO.
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 7 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by cv643d on 26-Apr-2003 06:19 GMT
Ok I tried Aros on my 800MHZ mini ITX computer running Slackware. It felt nice, almost like WinUAE, didnt feel slow and felt like Amiga.

It would be so cool if it would be possible to use AROS as an Amiga replacement or UAE replacement if there was an integrated 68k emu. I just hope that it will happen in my lifetime.
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 8 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 26-Apr-2003 07:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Don Cox):
> A file in real life is an envelope or folded piece of paper, containing a number
> of documents. A small database on one topic.
>
> A drawer is a box which slides in and out of a cabinet.

You keep talking about drawers, but there are no drawers at all. Those you see are _folders_, the files are in the folders, just like Windows pictures them.
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 9 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Apr-2003 08:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Fabio Alemagna):
"You keep talking about drawers, but there are no drawers at all. Those you see are _folders_, the files are in the folders, just like Windows pictures them."

So you have made a change from AmigaOS here? Amiga has Drawers, while Windows and Mac have Folders. The Amiga does not use the metaphor of an office to describe its data storage system.

Will you be renaming "Workbench" as "Desktop"? Should we expect a "My Computer" icon in AROS?
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 10 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n on 26-Apr-2003 08:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Fabio Alemagna):
He thinks he uses a "File"/"Paper" for a drawer icon.

I see that it is a "Folder" icon :)
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 11 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n on 26-Apr-2003 08:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Don Cox):
You have a good point! I agree. Drawers are the Amiga way.
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 12 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Chodorowski on 26-Apr-2003 08:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Don Cox):
No, we have not made a change from AmigaOS here. It's just a different visual representation that Mason has chosen to do. It's his "artistic license" to do such things. Really, "drawer", "folder" and "directory" are the same thing so I don't see the problem here.

The file manager / desktop is called "Wanderer" (and a important component will be "desktop.library"), but it has nothing to do with metaphors. "Workbench" is a trademark, so we can't use it. And there will be no "My Computer" in AROS.
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 13 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 26-Apr-2003 08:39 GMT
Hope the Pegasos works out well for AROS and Johan!

Best regards,

Raquel and Bill
Genesi
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 14 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Apr-2003 09:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Adam Chodorowski):
"Really, "drawer", "folder" and "directory" are the same thing so I don't see the problem here."

Well, one of the attractions of the Amiga is that it is _not_ a computer aimed at office workers. It doesn't use an office metaphor.

As I am not and don't intend to be an office worker, I prefer the "workshop, workbench, drawer, tool, project" metaphor. Of course the underlying data storage tree is the same, but making AROS be yet another office oriented operating system would be unfortunate.

No use having beautiful icons for an ugly metaphor.
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 15 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Ogun on 26-Apr-2003 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (bbrv):
It arrived in perfect shape, and works just great. Unfortunately I have no compatible graphicscard at this moment so I have not been able to test MorphOS on it. It does run Debian linux like a champ though, and I have started some bits on getting AROS ported over to it.

Regards,
Johan
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 16 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 26-Apr-2003 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Don Cox):
Talk about lots of noise for nothing... draw your own icons if you're so picky about it.
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 17 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Xisp on 26-Apr-2003 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Don Cox):
Don Cox is making a valid point with that: The Workbench metaphore is more suitable
to the visual use of AmigaOS.

It is only an appearance issue, but I also think it is important for the user to
rely on the original metaphore of "tools". Even in OS3.9 directories were drawers,
programs were tools and data was represented as screws.

I remember of that key stroke that enables you to apply any tool to any data
you see on the screen with the mouse (It is done selecting the tool and then the data
with shift pressed, IIRC). That action suits perfectly with the original metaphore:
The user thinks "Let's hammer those nails", or "I want to screw (or unscrew) that!".

Some will say that it doesn't matter, I would say it does, because metaphores are not
built for those who already know how to use the computer's visual interface, they
exist for computer newbies. They learn a lot faster if the actions they
commit on the computer have some analogous equivalent in reality. At some point in
their learning process they will be able to abstract from the metaphore, and won't
need it anymore.

The "tools" metaphore has to be kept. I haven't seen in AROS the visual distinction
between a project(data) and a tool(program), they are all "files" represented as
blank papers. If we forget of those little things (that in the end have a deep impact)
Amiga's philosphy ("Elegance thru simplicity") is in serious danger.
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 18 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Xeyes on 26-Apr-2003 11:59 GMT
Oh good lord we have tool/file trolls now, when will it end j/k :)
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 19 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Apr-2003 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Xeyes):
"Oh good lord we have tool/file trolls now, when will it end j/k :)"

It will end with you calling a Troll anyone who makes any comment whatsoever. ;-)

A Troll is someone who posts an insincere comment with the intention of starting a row, not anyone who starts a discussion of a valid point. I have a great respect for the AROS team, but that doesn't mean I have to think everything they do is right.
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 20 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Dude it was just a joke on 26-Apr-2003 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Don Cox):
@ Don Cox
Xeyes was just kidding. ( j/k;) ) I can see what you are saying but several posts about what an icon looks like or is called is "almost" like trolling. Don't take it personally!
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 21 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Jonny Johansson on 26-Apr-2003 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Don Cox):
Oi Don!

http://halmstad.com/jojon/file.info

;)
AROS News Update + Screenshots : Comment 22 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Apr-2003 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Jonny Johansson):
Nice one. ;-)
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