| Posted on 26-Apr-2003 18:04 GMT by pixie | 254 comments
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Apparently, Bill & Raquel had recently confirmed on morphos-news.de that they had spoke with the new Amiga CEO Gary Hare.
I've recently seen on morphos-news.de where Bill and Raquel had confirmed that they have spoken with Amiga Inc's new CEO Gary Hare, anyone would please confirm this...
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 101 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by greenboy on 27-Apr-2003 08:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 93 (Troels Ersking):
Troels, I certainly did not call you a fanboy - or anything else, unless you were one of those anonymous twats taking potshots. But since you want to jump into the insult ring to go a few rounds, you might consider what is fueling your defensiveness and anger:
The fact is, you've been believing in some people loudly and publicly who didn't bother to tell you the truth about their company's true status. You've made excuses for their every lame action and came down hard on those who began to lose all respect FOR them because of their lame actions.
Either that, or you KNEW about their actual sad straits. But you want to continue the farce because you've made a major investment in face; and you don't want to lose face.
But misleading and misusing the community about the status of the company all this time certainly should be the concern of anyone who is still around this community, whether they are in this camp or that. It affects us all. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 102 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sam Smith on 27-Apr-2003 08:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 97 (bbrv):
Thanks for the information. It is one incredible story!
It will be interesting to see what AInc. say officially about this on Monday.
Any further silence will not help their cause.
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Sam |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 103 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by greenboy on 27-Apr-2003 09:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 100 (catohagen):
catohagen, why do you keep trying to personally blame Bill Buck for everything that was and is wrong with Amiga Inc? Time to face the truth: they are responsible for most all their own problems. And they have misused the community by misrepresenting their operation.
It is too bad the Friedens ever got their wagon hitched to that engine. I wish them the best. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 104 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 27-Apr-2003 09:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 100 (catohagen):
"why ? isnt morphos good enough ? or does the name matter so much ?"
A well known brand name is always a valuable property. A brand name like "Amiga" is worth millions of dollars. A very well known one like "Kodak" would be worth billions.
Morphos is a multiple OS with boxes for running several actual OSes, a bit like VMware. One of the boxes runs an emulation of AmigaOS.
It seems likely that a version of AmigaOS based on the actual AmigaOS code would work better and with fewer problems and omissions than a version written entirely from scratch. One result of all the politics has been a big waste of time by the MorphOS team in re-inventing the Amiga OS. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 105 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by SlimJim on 27-Apr-2003 09:08 GMT | @bbrv
I have no problem per se with you (theorethically) taking control over AOS. I
have no reason to dislike you or anything silly like that. But I would be
concerned about the future of AOS4. I simply cannot see how you could push more
than two OS:es at once, especially if you want to make use of the Amiga brand
recognintion (which I suppose is the main prize here). One of the "next-gen"
OS:es, or part of OS would have to go. It will be a mess and will tear the last
bits of this community to pieces, I fear.
... But it's too early to discuss such contingencies. For now at least, I just
continue to hope AOS4 will come out and that AInc (or at worst, Hyperion) is
well set to continue it indefinately. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 106 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by greenboy on 27-Apr-2003 09:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 104 (Don Cox):
> Don Cox :
>One result of all the politics has been a big waste of time by the MorphOS team in re-inventing the Amiga OS.
Not hardly. There's a lot more to MorphOS than meets the eye right now. If it was simply reinventing the Amiga OS it wouldn't have much of a chance later. Its architecture was designed differently; we will get to see evidence of that at the surface later. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 107 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kronos on 27-Apr-2003 09:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 104 (Don Cox):
@Don
Don't think so.
On one side you have what bPlan had in late 2001 plus AROS.
On the other side you got a wild mix of old modules often relying on the
chipset and written with nothing other than 680x0 in mind.
Somehow I think the 1st is/was the better starting point. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 108 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by SlimJim on 27-Apr-2003 09:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 105 (SlimJim):
... for a further elaboration on this, see my post on Amigaworld.
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SlimJim |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 109 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Senex on 27-Apr-2003 09:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 105 (SlimJim):
I don't see why they should "push two OSs". They could just make a deal with Mr. Hare to fuse both by selling MorphOS as AmigaOS4 and adding the new modules originally aimed at Hyperion's OS as far as it's of interested. Genesi would have the benefit of the name and New-AI's Mr. Hare would have a ready product to sell here and now.
And we all would benefit from the overcoming of the split of the Amiga-community. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 110 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by bbrv on 27-Apr-2003 09:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 105 (SlimJim):
Hi SlimJim, there has been enough "tearing" already. We hope all the trolls will just stop now. It is time to build up this community again.
Just to make things clear: we have NEVER been against OS4, just like we are not against AROS, OpenBSD, DebianPPC, NewOS, Gentoo, SuSE, and now OpenBeOS (all these groups have at least one Pegasos!). We just have a hardware, operating system, application software package based on MorphOS and the Pegasos. That is our #1 Priority, but all the other operating systems are interesting for us too as they work with the Pegasos and whatever comes after -- the Pegasos II, the STB, the eclipsis, etc. That is the reason we have been so supportive of Phoenix, because we knew everyone would not want to be "Genesi."
There is plenty of room for everyone and every ambition!
:-)
R&B |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 111 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by SlimJim on 27-Apr-2003 09:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 109 (Senex):
"Merging the two OS:s" huh?
And you think that would be a clinical and painless process without influence from
personal preferences, politics and old grudges coming to the surface, do you? At
one point, they have to choose one thing before the other. Swords will become
unsheathed, mark my words.
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SlimJim |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 112 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by catohagen on 27-Apr-2003 09:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 103 (greenboy):
Did I blame Buck for anything here ? I've said that until anything is confirmed
its bollocks....i also said I was impressed with his ways of working....
But a feeling I have is that Buck thinks OS4 is getting all the attention
at the moment and delivers this story to divert attention elsewhere...
Afterall they sold out all their stuff, and if OS4 gets too much attention
he'll loose his sleep or something :)
Buck and Genesi has great products and seems like selling well. Im just not interessted in any of their products, but choosed the Real Thing instead :)) |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 113 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sam Smith on 27-Apr-2003 09:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 109 (Senex):
Would it be technically realistic to use OS4 code in MOS? How possible is such a fusion?
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Sam |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 114 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by SlimJim on 27-Apr-2003 09:32 GMT | In reply to Comment 110 (bbrv):
@bbrv
With all due respect, you cannot try to tell me that if you were to obtain the
Amiga brandname, you wouldn't want to use it - preferrably on that which is
currently called "MOS"? What would that mean to AOS4? This is what I'm talking
about. An ever-widening tear in the community. I peronally see no obvious escape
from that situation.
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SlimJim |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 115 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 09:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 96 (catohagen):
>OS4 was almost ready for a public demo Just like AAA was "almost" ready, just like other Amiga PPC cards were "almost" ready etc. ;-) |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 116 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by bbrv on 27-Apr-2003 09:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 114 (SlimJim):
SlimJim...MorphOS is MorphOS and WILL NOT be AmigaOS anything! We do not want that. It can and will run old Amiga applications, but it is and will be MorphOS. Please do not read too much into the above discussion. Your fears are NOT well founded.
When we have fancy boxes for the Pegasos II someday we might have all the operating systems logos that can run on the platform printed on the box and one of them might be OS4. That is all.
Our MAIN strength is the hardware, operating system and applications in ONE intellectual property package. The Pegasos becomes a development platform and MorphOS is and will be our priority, but AGAIN there is room for many others!
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 117 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by RedWarrior on 27-Apr-2003 09:43 GMT | The Amiga Inc defenders and apologists have nowhere to run and nowhere to hide, the truth is out about their fantastic company and it is nice to see Amiga Inc totally exposed in full on a open forum.
Lets see if the Amiga Inc fans can even make up any more sad excuses on why their amazing company are scum. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 118 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 09:45 GMT | In reply to Comment 115 (Anonymous):
Just like the Phase5 G3 card was ready. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 119 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anon Again on 27-Apr-2003 09:49 GMT | | SlimJim ...Check Pm on A.World |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 120 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by blueboy on 27-Apr-2003 09:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 118 (Anonymous):
>just like the Phase5 G3 card was ready.
yes, and they did recieve prepayment too, quite a lot, no wonder Genesi have lot of cash. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 121 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mikey C on 27-Apr-2003 09:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 117 (RedWarrior):
Okay I'll ask a question,
I'd like to ask Bill Buck just how he came to be talking to Garry
Hare? How did the whole thing come about?
Surely, your competitor would be weary of talking to you?
Where/when did Amiga decide to change direction?
Thanks
Mikey C |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 122 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by catohagen on 27-Apr-2003 09:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 120 (blueboy):
bah..trolls are having their time of their life |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 123 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 27-Apr-2003 09:52 GMT | I'd like to welcome a few people here in to the world of business. Looks like some people are so naive they don't have a clue how things are done when there is money involved. Just for example, last week I had to (ok, was politely asked to, by my superior(s)) to LIE about certain things to the man who _OWNS_ the company. By "lie" I mean I was asked to inform as little as possible about something which I can not go further on obviously. Dirty, unethical, yes. Did I have a choice? No I did not.
Thats the way in businessworld. Sometimes you have to make certain decisions, and some will suffer. Thats clearly the case with Amiga Inc. and Genesi here. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 124 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 27-Apr-2003 09:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 111 (SlimJim):
'"Merging the two OS:s" huh?
And you think that would be a clinical and painless process without influence from
personal preferences, politics and old grudges coming to the surface, do you? At
one point, they have to choose one thing before the other. Swords will become
unsheathed, mark my words.'
IMO AmigaOS has forked as Unix did, and will stay forked for a while. That should not prevent coders from writing programs that will run on more than one "AmigaOS".
In the case of a simple program, you can even write it as a 68k OS3 program, and it will run on all the forks and emulators, except AROS. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 125 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by SlimJim on 27-Apr-2003 09:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 116 (bbrv):
@bbrv
Oh, OK. It seems I misunderstood the issue. I see your point better in that case.
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SlimJim |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 126 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Daniel Miller on 27-Apr-2003 09:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 104 (Don Cox):
Don Cox typed:
> It seems likely that a version of AmigaOS based on the actual AmigaOS code
> would work better and with fewer problems and omissions than a version
> written entirely from scratch. One result of all the politics has been a
> big waste of time by the MorphOS team in re-inventing the Amiga OS.
It was time-consuming yes, but a blessing in disguise as they were forced |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 127 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ray A. Akey on 27-Apr-2003 09:58 GMT | Bill McEwen is currently the CEO of Amiga and the fact that there is no PR to the contrary about this on our website means that there is no news.
Anyone describing the appointment of a new CEO as "old news" is obviously posting information for their own motives and reasons since "old news" requires it to be "new news" before it can be "old news" and since Amiga Inc hasn't posted such "new news" then the motives of the person describing it as "old news" while simultaneously putting this new news into the world have to be questioned. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 128 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by bbrv on 27-Apr-2003 10:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 121 (Mikey C):
Hi Mikey C, as mentioned earlier David Traub brought us together. BTW, we are NOT a competitor of Amiga Inc. Please explain why you think this is the case? You could consider us a competitor of the company that produces the Teron board, but that is even a bit of a stretch...(they have no proprietary OS).
Amiga Inc. changing directions? Did we say that? We said management. What follows is still under discussion, but we hope to be involved in a positive sense.
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill
P.S. Come back to amiga.org! ;-) |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 129 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by catohagen on 27-Apr-2003 10:03 GMT | | well,thank you bill buck for an entertaining sunday :))) |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 130 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by RedWarrior on 27-Apr-2003 10:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 127 (Ray A. Akey):
Face facts the cowboy company you work for has been exposed, why dont you bunxh of amateurs come clean about the coupon scam (Fraud?) and other stuff instead of letting a clown answer some silly questions just to make the die hards think Amiga Inc is alive and kicking.
Amiga Inc has ripped of Amiga users and they must not be forgiven. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 131 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Daniel Miller on 27-Apr-2003 10:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 104 (Don Cox):
Don Cox typed:
> It seems likely that a version of AmigaOS based on the actual AmigaOS code
> would work better and with fewer problems and omissions than a version
> written entirely from scratch. One result of all the politics has been a
> big waste of time by the MorphOS team in re-inventing the Amiga OS.
It was time-consuming yes, but a blessing in disguise as they were forced to finally break the chains of reliance on that 12 year old code. Amithlon and Amiga Forever and others still rely on that code. MorphOS is all new. It seemed bad at the time but here we are now, and Genesi doesn't have to muck around with some corporate entity wanting to take a chunk of cash away for a "license" every time Genesi sells a computer.
If there is to be some collaboration between the new Amiga Inc. and Genesi, I hope it proceeds on a "dual track" and doesn't infringe on the independence of the Pegasos and MorphOS product. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 132 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by moood on 27-Apr-2003 10:16 GMT | @bbrv
It would be very interesting if you could say something about comment 127.
To me you look like a liar that can not be trusted. You seem to have a company with nice products but the way you do business makes me not wanting to buy anything from your company. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 133 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by bbrv on 27-Apr-2003 10:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 131 (Daniel Miller):
...do not worry Daniel -- that is exactly what will happen.
:-)
R&B |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 134 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by SlimJim on 27-Apr-2003 10:22 GMT | Fleecy just *refuted* the claim that Bill McEwen is no longer the CEO of
AmigaInc. It's upp on Amigaworld since a couple of minutes.
What the bloody hell is going on here?
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SlimJim |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 135 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Jon on 27-Apr-2003 10:23 GMT | I'm with Ray about this old news vs. new news thing.
(plus I could make a business card claming me being the new CEO of Microsoft - would that make immediately the new CEO?-) ) |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 136 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peter on 27-Apr-2003 10:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 132 (moood):
The only liars i see are AmigaInc and their stupid obsessed fans.
Has Bill Buck ripped any user off? NO
The facts are there for everyone to see, AmigaInc has destroyed the trust what Amiga users once had, no matter what people say AmigaInc have done a lot worse than Genesi have ever done. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 137 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 27-Apr-2003 10:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 127 (Ray A. Akey):
"Bill McEwen is currently the CEO of Amiga and the fact that there is no PR to the contrary about this on our website means that there is no news."
It means nothing of the kind. The website is a presentation of Amiga Inc as it wishes to be seen. There has been a good deal of news which did not appear there, and a number of statements which did appear there and turned out to be inaccurate.
Is this guy Gary Hare a fraud and a liar who has no connection to Amiga Inc? Is that what you are saying?
Or do you claim that no such person exists and Bill Buck has invented the story? (Perfectly possible, of course. People do invent stories.) |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 138 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hgm on 27-Apr-2003 10:24 GMT | | A big blow for Alan Redhouse. It leaves him empty-handed for the moment. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 139 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Jon on 27-Apr-2003 10:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 138 (hgm):
How? |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 140 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by AFOIA on 27-Apr-2003 10:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 72 (z5):
>Doesn't sound as simple to me. What in the hell does Genesi
>want from AmigaInc?
Leave them without money and this is the reason McEwen is
leaving as a CEO.
But, ehy, they are selling games with MS (you can get
similar stuff for free for smartphones, guess why Nokia
kicked them away...) and they even managed to have some
people paying to get press releases. Maybe they all can have
a future with Microsoft ;-P |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 141 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Senex on 27-Apr-2003 10:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 139 (Jon):
If the CEO-exchange is true and Genesi succeeds in bringing OS4 to the Pegasos, Eyetech would lose sales of AOnes to those preferring the Pegasos - especially since this would make the Pegasos an OS-safe choice. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 142 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Jon on 27-Apr-2003 10:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 141 (Senex):
It's Hyperion who hold the IP for OS4. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 143 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 27-Apr-2003 10:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 138 (hgm):
"A big blow for Alan Redhouse. It leaves him empty-handed for the moment."
I don't see that this story has any direct impact on Hyperion or Eyetech. Alan has a range of PPC motherboards which currently run Linux and hopefully in a few months will run AmigaOS 4.
A change of CEO at Amiga Inc won't affect that, especially if it leaves Bill McEwen as President and Chairman. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 144 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Senex on 27-Apr-2003 10:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 142 (Jon):
And it's AI who can buy OS4 back from Hyperion for a determined amount of money. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 145 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by moood on 27-Apr-2003 10:34 GMT | In reply to Comment 141 (Senex):
It's not true!
Read this:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=430 |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 146 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by David Scheibler on 27-Apr-2003 10:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 145 (moood):
It's interesting to read that everyone from Amiga Inc. who denies it says there
must first be an official announcement. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 147 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 10:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 104 (Don Cox):
> Morphos is a multiple OS with boxes for running several actual OSes, a bit like VMware. One of the boxes runs an emulation of AmigaOS.
Do you people ever tire of this needle-picking execise ? A layered design is nothing special, virtually every modern OS has used it (not only) in the migration process to a radically improved API. No sane person did ever speak of "multiple" operating systems in those cases: Windows remained Windows in its migration process. So, do us all a favour, get over it.
>It seems likely that a version of AmigaOS based on the actual AmigaOS code would work better and with fewer problems and omissions than a version written entirely from scratch.
Possibly, in the short term, although I have my doubts (normally programs rewritten from scratch are better). Anyway, the real problem with that idea is that all fundamental restraints are inherited: short term gain is long term loss. I prefer the Morphos design: there is a migration path and the cost in CPU cycles appears to be minimal, if there is a noticable cost at all. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 148 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by SlimJim on 27-Apr-2003 10:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 146 (David Scheibler):
Hmmm...
If it isn't true, they have nothing to announce, do they?
Mr. Buck? Your comments please?
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SlimJim |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 149 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kay on 27-Apr-2003 10:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 146 (David Scheibler):
Ah yes, I can't wait to read the announcement:
"Amiga Inc are proud to announce that we have recently not appointed Gary Hare as CEO. This non-appointment will not bring an exciting new direction to our company. As an example of something we will not be looking into, is diversifying our product line to include Amiga-themed furniture. Exciting times are not ahead!"
Kay |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 150 of 254 | ANN.lu |
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