| Posted on 26-Apr-2003 18:04 GMT by pixie | 254 comments
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Apparently, Bill & Raquel had recently confirmed on morphos-news.de that they had spoke with the new Amiga CEO Gary Hare.
I've recently seen on morphos-news.de where Bill and Raquel had confirmed that they have spoken with Amiga Inc's new CEO Gary Hare, anyone would please confirm this...
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 201 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 27-Apr-2003 17:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 191 (MarkTime):
@ MarkTime
This *could* be what has happened:
1. Amino wants to aquire the Amiga trademark. They need money to do so, money from venture capitalists. They show a business plan with a lot of hype in the good spirit of dot com startups from that time. They get a company founded.
2. After several years it becomes clear to everyone that the amino team failed to live up to the owners expectations. They failed miserably. The owners decide that this can not go on any further.
3. The owners hire a new CEO with the mission to try to save what can be saved of their invested money. He is to do the best of the miserable situation.
4. In steps Genesi. Genesi is in a late stage of their startup process, most of the obstacles has allready been overcome, and they have an ever growing momentum. Genesi allready have products in the pipeline which is very suitable for release under the Amiga brand. Genesi speaks to the new CEO and Amiga Incs big owners: "perhaps there is no need to liquidate, perhaps there is still a chance to actually make something good out of this instead of just rip out what's left and pull the plug."
In a worst case scenario Genesi will resume it's lawsuit towards Amiga Inc, which they will win IMO, and thus be able to use the Amiga brand on Pegasos through the integration of Amiga DE. In a best case scenario Genesi will reach an agreement with Amiga Inc's owners and aquire control over (or the right to use) the Amiga IP such as the classic OS and brand.
Think about it; MorphOS=AmigaOS 5, PegasosTwo=AmigaTwo. Or whatever.
All of this is of course nothing but pure speculation from my side. But one thing is true, it will be interesting to follow the developments of this in the near future!
:-) |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 202 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 17:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 196 (Anonymous):
>Then he has leaked corporate information.
Who, the one who handed out "Amiga Inc. CEO" businesscards? |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 203 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 27-Apr-2003 17:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 196 (Anonymous):
> Suppose Bill is more or less right? Then he has leaked corporate information
Don't be silly. The source of this corporate information is said to be the business card used by this Gary Hare at a show. If that is correct, and Gary Hare works for Amiga Inc, and the cards are legitimate - none of which have been refuted or denied by anyone at Amiga Inc - then the information was available in public even if it wasn't formally announced. That's a long way from "leaking" confidential information.
From what we know so far, there isn't enough evidence to suggest anyone is actually lying, nor is anyone telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. There are still a bunch of questions that are unanswered, namely:
Who is Gary Hare and does he work for Amiga Inc?
Did he attend the show and did he carry cards proclaiming him as CEO of Amiga Inc?
Were those cards legitimate and genuine?
No sensible person can make a judgement about who is lying or otherwise until these questions have been answred. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 204 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by David Scheibler on 27-Apr-2003 17:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 203 (Bill Hoggett):
>Who is Gary Hare and does he work for Amiga Inc?
Fleecy wrote about it at amigaworld.net (I know you don't want any URLs here,
so I won't post it). It looks like they denied because the name is
spelled Garry Hare. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 205 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by z5 on 27-Apr-2003 17:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 204 (David Scheibler):
Brilliant deduction skills there David :) |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 206 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by MIKE on 27-Apr-2003 18:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 164 (moood):
Well, Ray's not really a "employee", he's a web designer contracted by AI to handle their website, he doesn't know anything more then what Amiga tell him, he has no firsthand knowledge of the situation other then what he's told (Companies will often lie to their employees, in times such as these). |
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| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 27-Apr-2003 18:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 204 (David Scheibler):
@David Scheibler
>>Who is Gary Hare and does he work for Amiga Inc?
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> Fleecy wrote about it at amigaworld.net (I know you don't want any
> URLs here, so I won't post it). It looks like they denied because the
> name is spelled Garry Hare.
No, he denied Hare was employed or "worked at" Amiga Inc, but did confirm that he "did some work" for their investors. The question of whether Mr Hare was at the show in question and carried legitimate business cards indicating him as Amiga Inc CEO has not been answered.
The rest of the issue can be twisted either which way. It is not unknown for people to be replaced in practical terms long before the issues surrounding their official replacement are ironed out, so while Fleecy may be 100% accurate in saying that McEwen is still the sole CEO at the company, it is also possible that the CEO's duties have been taken over by someone else already.
The suggestion from Fleecy is that this is all a complete fabrication, but the way all Amiga Inc employees who have answered the question (Fleecy, Gary and Ray) have formulated their answers, mirrored by the contributions of a couple of developers normally close to AI, would indicate that there is at least some fire behind the smoke, even if Bill Buck's conclusions are seriously exagerrated. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 208 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by z5 on 27-Apr-2003 18:22 GMT | To conclude this rather sad topic (at least for me), i'm amazed that people accept this sort of behaviour as 'normal' business 'practise'.
There sure are no boundaries anymore on what is tolerated in the Amiga scene. But then, people have been fighting over a dead corpse for so long now and the longer it takes, the uglier it should get. But still, it amazes me.
Good honest reliable business isn't the standard anymore in the amiga community.
The question for me isn't really if this is true or not, the question is why do it? I think there is only one answer. There is no way on earth Genesi are going to sell Pegasos/Morhpos outside this tiny amiga community, unless they have the Amiga name. So it's the amiga name they want. Obviously they will use any tactic, how low or dirty it may be. After all, this is the amiga community and we are so desparate for anything at all, that even the biggest croock could play the game and we would probably find it wonderful and cool.
The amiga died after the release of the A1200 and the demise of Commodore. The rest is a somewhat sad part that never should have happened. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 209 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Jonny Johansson on 27-Apr-2003 18:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 194 (Gunne Steen):
Gunne wrote:
>Please let me know when you open the bag :-)
Ah, bag...
I was expecting you had given them a tin of "surströmming",
the wording earlier had that sort of ominous ring to it... ;) |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 210 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 18:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 204 (David Scheibler):
""It looks like they denied because the name is
spelled Garry Hare.""
They denied that he is a CEO and rightly so as he is not. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 211 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by bbrv on 27-Apr-2003 19:02 GMT | In reply to Comment 210 (Anonymous):
Actually, I just looked at the card again...
Garry Hare Ph.D.
Chairman/CEO
Amiga Incorporated
What a day...;-)
Just Bill |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 212 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peter Johnson on 27-Apr-2003 19:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 211 (bbrv):
Listen Bill Buck just scan the bastard card in, if it is true then Amiga Inc are scum and i will order a Pegasos, if it is false then you guys are scum and i will buy an AmigaONE, fair deal, do you accept? |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 213 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by KenH on 27-Apr-2003 20:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 211 (bbrv):
I haven't read the whole thread but...
Did this Gary chap know who you were? If so, did you engage in a meaningful conversation? I assume he wanted to be friends as he gave you his card. Was there any contact information on the card? Was he pally with the other people in the room? Did they acknowledge him as CEO?
Lots of questions but you brought them on yourself and you seem to have the time to write plenty! ;)
>Actually, I just looked at the card again...
Garry Hare Ph.D.
Chairman/CEO
Amiga Incorporated
What a day...;-)
Just Bill |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 214 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Crazy Man on 27-Apr-2003 20:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 211 (bbrv):
Wish we could all set our date back to 1st April too.
We might read a headline like this...
Bill Buck is the new President of the United States.....
First one to be sworn in on 1st April .
Hey does the President have business cards too ?
LoL |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 215 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by amighista on 27-Apr-2003 20:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 211 (bbrv):
@ bbrv
if you're saying the truth, please show a picture of yourself and the card. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 216 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Hammer on 27-Apr-2003 21:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 97 (bbrv):
>The whole AmigaDE lawsuit was just a means to shut Bill McEwen up and force
>Amiga Inc. into a settlement that might include us obtaining the rights to
>the Amiga trademarks and the classic OS.
The purpose of going to the "court of law" is to _test_ the claims, it doesn’t automatically guarantee successful outcomes.
>Back to the lawsuit...the worst case for us would be enforcing our license
>agreement that would require Amiga Inc. to integrate DE for use in some way
>with the Pegasos which would then allow us to use the trademarks (as there
>are some that would prefer to call the Pegasos an Amiga).
Why not name your Hardware as "Omega"(illustrated as an example)? Since it sounds like "Amiga"(or close enough). It works with "Lindows" (i.e. a play on Windows and Linux words). |
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| Posted by hammer on 27-Apr-2003 21:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 104 (Don Cox):
>Morphos is a multiple OS with boxes for running several actual OSes, a bit >like VMware. One of the boxes runs an emulation of AmigaOS.
VMWARE is not an OS, it uses the advance features of MS Windows NT and post-i386 capabilities. That is why VMWARE is not available for MS Windows 9x class OS. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 218 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hammer on 27-Apr-2003 22:38 GMT | >At the Conference Gary used business cards that clearly indicate that Gary >Hare is Chairman and CEO of Amiga Inc. He has been active in the Valley for a >couple of months now with this moniker. For us, that is "old news." Simple.
A scan of business card would be nice.
>The whole AmigaDE lawsuit was just a means to shut Bill McEwen up and force
>Amiga Inc. into a settlement that might include us obtaining the rights to
>the Amiga trademarks and the classic OS.
I recall, pending lawsuits doesn’t equal success... IF that was the case, what the point going to court?
> It worked. He is gone.
He is still on the Amiga Inc's web site....
>Back to the lawsuit...the worst case for us would be enforcing our license
>agreement that would require Amiga Inc. to integrate DE for use in some way
>with the Pegasos which would then allow us to use the trademarks (as there
>are some that would prefer to call the Pegasos an Amiga).
I recall, the word "license" is the “right to use XYZ” by the potential licensee? |
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| Posted by damien on 27-Apr-2003 22:50 GMT | Well,
After all these statements, I see that
- BBRV taled about a thing that maked big noise, with the apprent will to create noise around Amiga Inc. That worked just because we are at comment 200+
and we don't have any real clue about BBRV statements.
- Fleecy Moss (and more Amiga Inc members) have responded into amigaworld.net forums. They aren't any clue about this.
- As a DE developer, I recieved an update from B McEwen in a recent past (don't remember exactly when)
- Both compagnies are talking to each other by interposated sites (morphos+ann and wmigaworld.ner) and this isn't really...hum...mature.
- It isn't really fun from BBRV to post such news in a morphos site by telling "i think this is old news", just because, as we see BBRV is a person (two personns sorry) that are present in forums, that means, they should know if this was old news or not.
- Due to this point, I presume that the intention of BBRV was to spread noise around the community, and divide a bit more Amiga Inc.
IN CONCLUSION
I advise all of you to take this history with lot of care, as demonstrated, the way BBRC is speading news is buggy by itself (BBRV known that changin Amiga's CTO isn't old news). So as BBRV has probably something in mind, and I would be very please to know what.
Be shure Amiga Inc will make a statment as soon as possible.
PS: Bill McEwen has been injured/accusated in this discution, even directly by BBRV, this isn't really fairplay BBRV!
PS2: THese are my personnal thoughts. I am working as a DE developer since more than two years with Amiga Inc, and the less I can say, it's that they are really sypatic persons, they all are really competent, always looking around what developers needs and I personnately haven't had any problem with one of Amiga Inc members! |
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| Posted by Crazy Man on 27-Apr-2003 23:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 218 (hammer):
Scanner's probably got a loose screw.. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 222 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Hammer on 27-Apr-2003 23:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 221 (Crazy Man):
Are you implying BBRV can’t use a simple scanner? Imagine that....(This sorry episode is getting ridicules by the day). |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 223 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Xeyes on 27-Apr-2003 23:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 127 (Ray A. Akey):
"Anyone describing the appointment of a new CEO as "old news" is obviously posting information for their own motives and reasons since "old news" requires it to be "new news" before it can be "old news" and since Amiga Inc hasn't posted such "new news" then the motives of the person describing it as "old news" while simultaneously putting this new news into the world have to be questioned."
Every answer from anyone associated with Amiga ALWAYS sounds like an Abbot and Costello routine. Is anyone at Amiga capable of a "Straight Answer?" |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 224 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 28-Apr-2003 05:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 215 (amighista):
@Amighista
>if you're saying the truth, please show a picture of yourself and the card.
We could also head to sandbox and play with toycars. Then we could play some touch-last! How about that! |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 225 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darn on 28-Apr-2003 07:51 GMT | | It makes absolutely no difference who's the CEO, change it every second month for all I care, but indeed do release the os at some damn date. |
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| Posted by L8-X on 28-Apr-2003 10:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 222 (Hammer):
@Hammer
Well he obviously can't, look at the state of the pic over at A.Org! ;-) |
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| Posted by Emeric SH on 28-Apr-2003 11:19 GMT | That round object must be an UFO.
Just kidding. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 228 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by MarkTime on 28-Apr-2003 11:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 195 (tinman):
@tinmen,
I love an intellectual argument, but this goes to show how intellectuals can be incredibly stupid at times.
Sorry...but while it can be 'twisted' either way, if you wish....its also possible to just take a simple approach...one is essentially saying Garry Hare is not the CEO, the other that he is the CEO. Exact dates and times are not important....who has gotten the essential basics right?
If it comes to pass that McEwen is out, then Bill Buck is right.
If it comes to pass that Garry Hare was never the CEO and is not the CEO,
then Fleecy was right.
Already we see the acrobatics, ta-da, mostly from Fleecy...'I checked the website and didn't see an announcement', etc. etc. coming from Fleecy. Well if he gets his information by checking the website....then just what kind of CTO is he anyway? And why didn't he state up front that his information was only as good as ours....
You know it was pointed out many times, that this CTO, didn't even know what technologies his company owns...and I kind of pooh pooh'd that myself...but now we see he finds out who is running Amiga, Inc. by checking the corporate portal.
This 'CTO' doesn't know a lot about the day to day workings of his company...and yet he is the focal point for a Q&A! What business is this....
after all we've been through with the lies and deceptions, just more Q&A's and
the guy isn't even in touch with Amiga, Inc., except by checking the same web site we all look at....and he pretends to speak for Amiga's strategic direction.
Good gawd, we are tired of this kind of thing. |
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| Posted by pixie on 28-Apr-2003 11:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 201 (takemehomegrandma):
"In a worst case scenario Genesi will resume it's lawsuit towards Amiga Inc, which they will win IMO, and thus be able to use the Amiga brand on Pegasos through the integration of Amiga DE. In a best case scenario Genesi will reach an agreement with Amiga Inc's owners and aquire control over (or the right to use) the Amiga IP such as the classic OS and brand."
If a contract was made for WinCE only, and no WinCE machines were made available, Amiga has no obligation to make AmigaDE available for MorphOS... |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 230 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by pixie on 28-Apr-2003 11:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 206 (MIKE):
"Well, Ray's not really a "employee", he's a web designer contracted by AI to handle their website, he doesn't know anything more then what Amiga tell him, he has no firsthand knowledge of the situation other then what he's told (Companies will often lie to their employees, in times such as these)."
You would have to be naive if you are trying us to believe that because he only handle their web site he doesn'tkow more then the regular joe user... |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 231 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by pixie on 28-Apr-2003 11:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 212 (Peter Johnson):
"Listen Bill Buck just scan the bastard card in, if it is true then Amiga Inc are scum and i will order a Pegasos, if it is false then you guys are scum and i will buy an AmigaONE, fair deal, do you accept?"
Business is business, why can’t people live with that, even if Garry Hare is indeed the new CEO, Amiga are the only ones who can decide when that is to be known… |
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| Posted by L8-X on 28-Apr-2003 12:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 231 (pixie):
The scan has been removed from A.Org..Hmmm wonder why? |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 233 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by JoannaK on 28-Apr-2003 12:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 232 (L8-X):
Well.. it reappeared.. without original comments.. Interesting.. |
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| Posted by D Hutchinson on 28-Apr-2003 14:14 GMT | | Bill & Raquel - rumour sprending scumbags. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 236 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by L8-X on 28-Apr-2003 14:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 235 (D Hutchinson):
and now it's gone again?!?!?!
BTW the last url was me. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 237 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Lando on 28-Apr-2003 15:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 236 (L8-X):
It is in Workbench Screenshots now (?) |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 238 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 29-Apr-2003 05:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 217 (hammer):
"VMWARE is not an OS, it uses the advance features of MS Windows NT and post-i386 capabilities. That is why VMWARE is not available for MS Windows 9x class OS."
Of course they are not exactly the same. MorphOS uses a Quark kernel to run several OSes in "boxes". VMware uses the NT kernel (and a bit more) to run several OSes in boxes. They don't work exactly the same but it is the same basic idea, and a good one, given that each OS has programs that are not on the others.
OTOH this kind of arrangement is more suited to technical users than to beginners or average consumers. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 239 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 29-Apr-2003 07:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 238 (Don Cox):
> OTOH this kind of arrangement is more suited to technical users than to beginners or average consumers.<
Maybe in it's current form. It would be nice for Everyone to just buy/get whatever programs they need, regardless of the OS they were written for, and just pop it into their computer and have it "magically" run! |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 240 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 29-Apr-2003 08:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 231 (pixie):
>even if Garry Hare is indeed the new CEO, Amiga are the only ones who can>decide when that is to be known Obviously he himself decided to let others know, so this doesn't contradictyour claim because he is with Amiga. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 241 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 29-Apr-2003 08:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 238 (Don Cox):
>MorphOS uses a Quark kernel to run several OSes in "boxes". Huh? This wasn't the original plan though and maybe Thendic misunderstoodsomething at first when announcing YDL would run on MOS kernel... |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 242 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 29-Apr-2003 12:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 97 (bbrv):
So all this is about is that YOU want to control everything, YOU want to be the leader even if it means destroying current Amiga inc ? So where wil the dirty tricks end ? |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 243 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 29-Apr-2003 12:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 109 (Senex):
That way they sure will not get support from all of us :P |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 244 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 29-Apr-2003 12:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 168 (greenboy):
unless they want full control of market. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 245 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 29-Apr-2003 17:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 241 (Anonymous):
">MorphOS uses a Quark kernel to run several OSes in "boxes".
Huh? This wasn't the original plan though and maybe Thendic misunderstood
something at first when announcing YDL would run on MOS kernel..."
Well, I have always understood that the A-box was to be just one of many boxes. Maybe I'm wrong. Only Ralph will know. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 246 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Leo on 29-Apr-2003 19:48 GMT | From http://www.amiga.com/corporate/042903-mcewen.shtml dated 29 april 2003:
"Snoqualmie, WA 98065 - Amiga, Inc. announces that Bill McEwen the CEO of Amiga, Inc. will once again attend AmiWest."
The one that's keeps spreading lies has really got a problem ;)
Leo. |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 247 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 29-Apr-2003 19:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 246 (Leo):
You've got *A LOT* to learn before you will be able to say that. You need to
learn stuff nobody tells you about...
I will write somethign VERY cryptic, people who know what I'm talking about
will understand... 1k5h a.l. ... |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 248 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Homer on 29-Apr-2003 23:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 247 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>I will write somethign VERY cryptic, people who know what I'm talking about
will understand... 1k5h a.l. ...
Oh! golly, gee wiz! Where can I join your club so that I can receive my Tom Mix decoder and decipher your message! |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 249 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Leo on 30-Apr-2003 10:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 247 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
... |
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| New Amiga CEO : Comment 250 of 254 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ketzer on 30-Apr-2003 11:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 247 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Put up or shut up. |
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