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Posted on 26-Apr-2003 18:04 GMT by pixie254 comments
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Apparently, Bill & Raquel had recently confirmed on morphos-news.de that they had spoke with the new Amiga CEO Gary Hare. I've recently seen on morphos-news.de where Bill and Raquel had confirmed that they have spoken with Amiga Inc's new CEO Gary Hare, anyone would please confirm this...
New Amiga CEO : Comment 51 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by ABM$ on 26-Apr-2003 20:20 GMT
I want confirmation. Until that happens, I'll think of it as
yet another rumor on ANN. Of course, I don't agree that AInc
is dead. I went into a CompUSA a week or so ago & saw some of
the M$ branded gamepacks for PocketPC with some Amiga Anywhere
content inside. I don't know how their deal is structured with
M$, but this must represent a revenue stream of some kind (do
hate that it had to be M$, though):
New Amiga CEO : Comment 52 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Apr-2003 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
You deserved what you got.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 53 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 26-Apr-2003 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
> Just be thankful you're not saying what you're saying about The Other Company.
> When I wrote something far more laid back than what you just did I received
> an abusive mail from a certain company's CEO. Other people have received
> subtle threats for the same thing.
>
> Now who are the real crooks?
>
> At least that's something you'd never see from Amiga Inc.

Actually, that's not quite the case. I have had e-mails from BOTH companies, "admonishing" me for something or other that I might have said, or demanding that I justify my comments, despite there being nothing libellous or slanderous in anything I said.

I have seem both companies mirror each other while accusing the other of lacking morals or principles. In that respect, there's no difference between them.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 54 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 26-Apr-2003 20:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Anonymous):
Obviously any anonymous person would know just what happened. Go check out the facts at amiga.org.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 55 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Apr-2003 20:31 GMT
You can insult Bill Buck all you want but the truth is the guy has done what he said he would, can you say that about wonderful Bill McWeen? no way, Amiga Inc have done nothing at all apart from brown nosing M$.

Genesi = real products being released.

Amiga Inc = lies,scams,more lies,bullshit release dates, not forgetting "On schedule and rocking", you might think of Amiga inc as your heroes but face facts they are useless.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 56 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Apr-2003 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Anonymous):
But face the facts your off topic.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 57 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Apr-2003 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Anonymous):
hehe...your nose must be very brown and bucks behind must be very clean :)
New Amiga CEO : Comment 58 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 26-Apr-2003 21:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
>There never was a scam.

But there was! I am almost sure that, at the time of the coupon promotion, Amiga Inc had got it into their heads that they were going to sell way, way more coupons than they actually did. They were expecting to make a million $ from this promotion (Look at the sales figures for the various prizes, such as the cell phones). It never happened. They made 50 grand. Peanuts in real terms. And they spent this 50 grand on bills/debts/whatever. No money left for such superfluous things as T-Shirts. But the worst part is that they then continued to sell the coupons, even after it became clear that they were, in reality, worthless. You can go to the Amiga website right now and pay your $50 to join the rest of us mugs.

>People will get their 50$ back when purchasing either an AmigaOne or
>AmigaOS 4.

I know several club members who have bought an AmigaOne. Not one has recieved back their $50. Amiga Inc never even sent out the coupons. And if they had, I've yet to find a retailer who would redeem then. Not even Eyetech.

>The t-shirt is a freebie on top of that. Besides that there is
>already the Club Amiga Magazine.

Well, please explain how something that you never even got can be a freebie?
Club Amiga Magazine (basically a ten-page ad for AInc) alone is not worth $50 in my book.

>IF the money aren't paid when the products are out you can talk about a
>scam. Till then you're spreading FUD.

AmigaOne IS out. It is shipping. People have them. I wanted to pre-order OS4. I wanted to get $50 off the price, as Amiga Inc promised I would be able to. But not a single retailer would redeem my non-existant coupon.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 59 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by AFOIA on 26-Apr-2003 21:58 GMT
McEwen probably wants to do a step back to help
Amiga since some people doesn't like him anymore and his
situation is creating problems to Amiga itself
due to the actions of the other player in this quiet place
called "Amiga Market".


Or, maybe, it's all FUD...

;-)
New Amiga CEO : Comment 60 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Doobrey on 26-Apr-2003 22:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Anonymous):
>Yes but making comments that benefit Genesi does not help your case for >sitting on the fence.

Huh? how does that work then??? Not everything in life is black&white, or can be put into little labelled boxes..

I was criticising Amiga Inc..not Eyetech or Hyperion. It`s the latter 2 who in my eyes are doing all the hard work for the AmigaOne and OS4.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 61 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by redfox on 27-Apr-2003 00:59 GMT
I will wait and see. This news could be true or false or a joke.

---------
redfox
New Amiga CEO : Comment 62 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by AFOIA on 27-Apr-2003 01:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Doobrey):
>I was criticising Amiga Inc..not Eyetech or Hyperion. It`s
>the latter 2 who in my eyes are doing all the hard work for
>the AmigaOne and OS4.

Their childish idea is that if you criticise Amiga you
damage their partners too. Eg. if you consider AmigaDE a
false promise -as it is at this time- you can damage OS4
sales as well.

Still, OS4 is not done by Amiga Inc, nor A1 it is,
so who cares. Let's hope the new CEO will be more
wise from this point of view.

Maybe he will understand that Amiga Inc is not so important
from the people point of view since real work is done from
other companies.

Current management (and who suggest to them how to talk with
the community) is too much convinced that they -are- the
ones who are building the new Amigas, while obviously they
are not. At least not alone. Simple.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 63 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 27-Apr-2003 05:35 GMT
This is becoming more and more fun and pathetic at the same time.

If this is true, where is Bill McEwen ? Ran away because unable to face reality and the huge debts Amiga Inc. generated (damned the generated something at least) ?

Why do we have to learn (if this is true again) that a new CEO has been named for Amiga Inc. via an indirect piece of news in the middle of ANN ?

Where are the T-Shirts ? Where are the products promised by Amiga Inc. ?

How long will last this "mascarade" ?

Why the hell the official Amiga business was cursed to this point to vanish in hot hair ?

Gee...

Ben Yoris
New Amiga CEO : Comment 64 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 27-Apr-2003 05:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
@Thomas Würgler

There never was a scam.
People will get their 50$ back when purchasing either an AmigaOne or AmigaOS 4.
The t-shirt is a freebie on top of that. Besides that there is already the Club Amiga Magazine.

IF the money aren't paid when the products are out you can talk about a scam. Till then you're spreading FUD.
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I haven't bought a coupon, I knew it was unethical at most to do so then. I rarely loan money to people I don't know anyway.
But, how much more time are you willing to give them to deliver whats been promised.. 6 more months, a year, two years, three maybe? A line have to be drawn somewhere, where do you draw it?
New Amiga CEO : Comment 65 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Buxey on 27-Apr-2003 05:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Lando):
Read the infos. The dealers dont honour the $50 Amiga Inc deal - mainly because
Amiga Inc went ahead with the idea even though all of them said "no, thats
a costly idea and logitically hard to implement". therefore, the Total
Idea (tm) is that you send your proof of purchase of AmigaONE to Amiga Inc, who will then return your $50 (minus all conversion rates etc).

PayPal charge around 4% handling fee. They also charge extra for withdrawls. If AmigaInc took, say $50,000 (ie one thousand people went for this offer) then
they'd have lost over $2000 on handling fees, another $1000 on currency fees
(maybe more, i'm guessing 30% of applicants were non-US), and around $1000
on withdrawl. thats $4000 lost through Paypal system alone. that could be recovered for free if the remaining $46,000 was put into high interest savings account for about 12 months. but if AmigaInc were to make sure that the members
were to get $50 back (and dont forget, if the rebate is done through PayPal
then you'll get what $50 is with todays exchange rate...ie less than what you paid) then they'd have to inject an extra 4%. so that'll be another 6 months
in a savings account....plus admin and overhead costs... if this deal isnt to cost them thousands of dollars (which they cant afford because of things like the Nokia falling through under them) then rebates should start in July this year.

alan
New Amiga CEO : Comment 66 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 27-Apr-2003 05:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Alan Buxey):
...a bit more information is posted here:

http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&nid=290

Best regards,
Raquel and Bill
New Amiga CEO : Comment 67 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Buxey on 27-Apr-2003 06:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Ben Yoris):
we are users, we're here at weekends.

in business, a lot of these people are away on weekends. you dont get official
announcements or replies on weekends :-(

yet another refreshing difference that the Genesi team do deliver ;-)

Alan
New Amiga CEO : Comment 68 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 27-Apr-2003 06:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Alan Buxey):
Thanks Alan, coming from you that is a complement!

:-)

R&B
New Amiga CEO : Comment 69 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 27-Apr-2003 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (bbrv):
"We would all like to see Amiga Inc. survive even if it might be for different reasons...;-)"
So what are those reeasons? As you are obviously competitors, i am really curious on that one.

"We did not withdraw the suit. Court dates have been set. We just decided to give them some time to get organized. We would like to work with them. Certainly, there are many mutually beneficial things we could do together.
We have offered across the board assistance! We are hoping to hear something soon."

Souns a tiny bit contradictionary? We take you to court but we want to work with you? Can you be a bit more precise here. I don't really get it.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 70 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 27-Apr-2003 06:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (z5):
Sounds simple 4 me:

They sued AInc because they couldn't get an agreement with McBill.
(over the DE-licence or whatever)

Now there is a new guy in town and they want to check wether an out-of-court
agreement can be reached, or if there is even a chance of cooperation.

If the new guy acts in the same way as McBill did, they will go on with the
law-suit.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 71 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 27-Apr-2003 06:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Kronos):
But somehow something now makes sense:

Could it be that the games on sale under the MS-brand, are on sale by MS and
not by AInc because they (or the licences) have been sold to MS ???
New Amiga CEO : Comment 72 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 27-Apr-2003 06:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Kronos):
Doesn't sound as simple to me. What in the hell does Genesi want from AmigaInc? Working together on what? Can't be a DE licence because they have Morphos for their STB's. Can't be interest in OS4 because they have Morphos for their Pegasos...

Oh and by the way, the sentence "Honestly, we thought this was "old" news" caught my attention. I don't believe shit about it. Nobody knew about it and bbrv claims that he thought it was old news. Yeah, right... And i'm elvis presley :)

So please stop spreading bullshit and give us the complete picture please.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 73 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 27-Apr-2003 06:33 GMT
Hush now... I hear people shouting the F-word already .. (and no, I am not talking about the four letter one.. but the three letter one ;)
New Amiga CEO : Comment 74 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by moood on 27-Apr-2003 06:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (z5):
Apparently Bill Buck is active at and reads a lot of Amiga websites so it sounds weird that he thought this was "old news".

Bill, explain yourself!
New Amiga CEO : Comment 75 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 27-Apr-2003 06:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (z5):
"Doesn't sound as simple to me. What in the hell does Genesi want from AmigaInc? "

One obvious thing would be a license to use the "Amiga" brand name on his products.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 76 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 27-Apr-2003 07:23 GMT
"On the Snoqualmie front the operation is 100% gone -- everything has been or will be sold to creditors."

Does this mean that Amiga,Inc. has (finally) really run out of business ?

Leo.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 77 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 27-Apr-2003 07:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Leo):
i guess its this buck wants you to belive...its up to you to swallow it or not :)
but if Amiga Inc. are broke that won't affect OS4 or AmigaOne....once OS4 is
out, nothing else matters....like the Amiga.org banner says, this changes everything :)
New Amiga CEO : Comment 78 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 27-Apr-2003 07:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (hooligan/dcs):
@hooligan/dcs

I personally draw it with the release of OS 4.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 79 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 27-Apr-2003 07:46 GMT
You're right. OS4 will be out anyway, and AmigaOnes continue to be sold. But it would prolly mean some people won't be wearing their brand new shirts during the hot HOT summer ;-)

But maybe stop about this until we have hard evidence and some facts coming "from the source"
New Amiga CEO : Comment 80 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 27-Apr-2003 07:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (catohagen):
Why wouldn't it matter? Okay, apparently if AI was no more, Hyperion
could continue it themselves. But as BBRV indicate, it seems AI will
continue, although under different leadership. So the new-old AI hould
be able to buy back the rights to OS4 from Hyperion as has been agreed
on for a certain amount of money. And in this case everything would be
depending on Mr. Hare. So the interesting thing will be if an
agreement can be reached between him and Genesi. I.e. IMHO the change
at the top of AI could indeed matter for OS4's future.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 81 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 27-Apr-2003 07:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Senex):
if Hyperion owns OS4, they decide if they want to sell or not ?
New Amiga CEO : Comment 82 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 27-Apr-2003 07:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (catohagen):
No, according to Ben Hermans Amiga Inc. can buy AmigaOS4 after it has been
releaed in a short period of time for very little money back. That's a right AI
has out of the contract.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 83 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Say no to fraud. on 27-Apr-2003 07:55 GMT
Amiga Inc have been exposed as fraudsters, so no matter how many of you people praise Amiga Inc the truth is out.

One last time, the coupons are just a scam which has been exposed and has shown Amiga Inc to be involved in fraud.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 84 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 27-Apr-2003 07:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (catohagen):
Wrong .....

Hyperion don't own any AmigaOS, they only get it in the case AInc goes bancrupt.
(assuming those contracts are "watertight")

The only thing they have is a licence for OS4-PPC which contains a buy-back-clause
for AInc.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 85 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 27-Apr-2003 07:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (hooligan/dcs):
>be wearing their brand new shirts during the hot HOT summer ;-)

Atleast I can wear whatever T-shirt i want :) with the great artwork of
Simoami, i'll think i'll make me a few OS4 t-shirts...
yes, I make vinyl signs, graphics, vinyl lettering,magnetic signs, and all computer generated vinyl signage for a living :)
New Amiga CEO : Comment 86 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 27-Apr-2003 08:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (hooligan/dcs):
"But maybe stop about this until we have hard evidence and some facts coming "from the source""

What do you consider to be a reliable source?
New Amiga CEO : Comment 87 of 254ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 86 (Don Cox):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Impersonation
New Amiga CEO : Comment 88 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 27-Apr-2003 08:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (David Scheibler):
> No, according to Ben Hermans Amiga Inc. can buy AmigaOS4 after it has been
> releaed in a short period of time for very little money back. That's a right AI
> has out of the contract.

Are you serious ? Does it mean Hyperion will have practically worked for free ? (if this happens)

GEEZ... I now understand why no agreement had been found between bplan & amigainc...
New Amiga CEO : Comment 89 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 27-Apr-2003 08:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (mahen):
>Hyperion will have practically worked for free ?

OS4 sales goes to Hyperions pockets ? wouldnt say working for free
New Amiga CEO : Comment 90 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by FuZion on 27-Apr-2003 08:12 GMT
AmigaInc can not even afford to pay small amounts of money to get a t-shirt printed, they are going to go bankrupt soon and i will be glad to see the back of the worst thing ever to happen to Amiga.

How any company would even be stupid enough to have dealings with AmigaInc is pathetic, you deal with Amiga Inc and you deserve every little thing you get.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 91 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 27-Apr-2003 08:16 GMT
if everything is 100% gone and everything has been or will be sold to creditors
why is there a need for a new CEO ? who pays his salary ?
New Amiga CEO : Comment 92 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 27-Apr-2003 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Don Cox):
>What do you consider to be a reliable source?

maybe when the files for a bankcrupsy has been delivered? doh!
New Amiga CEO : Comment 93 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 27-Apr-2003 08:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (greenboy):
@ Greenboy

"Maybe that's because anonymous fanboys are too foolish to be concerned - or to even note that something of real significance has occurred, instead trying to divert attention elsewhere."

Or maybe it's because almost every "fanatic foolish MOS supporter" is more concerned when something "bad" happens to Amiga inc. than when happens to genesi.

It's an enourmous job you guys do when you call every MOS/Genesi critcal people a "fanboy".

Hope Genesi pays you well Green(FAN)boy (who?)..........
New Amiga CEO : Comment 94 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 27-Apr-2003 08:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (catohagen):
Read BBRV's posting again: it seems he's working close together with
AI's biggest shareholder to turn the situation around, i.e. he might
be paid by them to save them as much as he can.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 95 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 27-Apr-2003 08:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (catohagen):
>if everything is 100% gone and everything has been or will be
>sold to creditors
>why is there a need for a new CEO ? who pays his salary ?

Maybe Bill Buck will end up paying Amiga Inc salaries again like they
did during the Petro days.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 96 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 27-Apr-2003 08:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Senex):
>Read BBRV's posting again:

ehm...bbrv's posting is bollocks until anything is confirmed :)

But I think OS4 is not affected my this...OS4 was almost ready for a public
demo at AmiGBD(?) so my guess is that its being demoed at next show, the AmigaOne mainboard are selling well around too.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 97 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 27-Apr-2003 08:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (catohagen):
@all interested

In mid-March Gary Hare attended a CTIA Conference (Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association) and met with an old friend and business associate of ours, David Traub. For example, David introduced me to the President of Capital Records in 1992 to negotiate the first interactive music video we did at ICTV. We used a Peter Gabriel song. David has also known Gary for many years as well. Gary is former head of Fathom Pictures, a former Philips producer, and a pioneer in the interactive world. At the Conference Gary used business cards that clearly indicate that Gary Hare is Chairman and CEO of Amiga Inc. He has been active in the Valley for a couple of months now with this moniker. For us, that is "old news." Simple.

We are very interested in supporting Gary and the new Amiga Inc. This would include financial support. The potential for collaboration is *significant.*

The whole AmigaDE lawsuit was just a means to shut Bill McEwen up and force Amiga Inc. into a settlement that might include us obtaining the rights to the Amiga trademarks and the classic OS. Amiga Inc. had no reason to spread all the FUD they did officially about MorphOS, particularly after we tried so hard to help them in 2000 and 2001. McEwen's 1 September "we will shut you down" threat was just more talk and on about the same level as the coupon scam. We could not allow him to continue to do this and took action. It worked. He is gone.

Back to the lawsuit...the worst case for us would be enforcing our license agreement that would require Amiga Inc. to integrate DE for use in some way with the Pegasos which would then allow us to use the trademarks (as there are some that would prefer to call the Pegasos an Amiga). Again, no big deal...users/customers can/should have the choice to call their computer whatever they want and do whatever they want with it....;-)

As has been seen here and on other sites, we are interested in supporting as many operating systems as we can. We just provided a free board to the AROS team. We are even in discussions to set up a PayPal account to help AROS fund the development. There are many talented people involved in that project. We are very pleased to have the beginnings of a relationship with them.

If we do obtain the rights to the classic AmigaOS one way or the other we will even work with the OS4 development team. We always have said that some kind of collaboration would be better for all concerned!

Patience is a virtue, but the name of the game is perseverance...this is key to all success in life and business.

Happy Sunday!

Raquel and Bill
New Amiga CEO : Comment 98 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 27-Apr-2003 08:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (catohagen):
Since BBRV is the only public source regarding this currently and since you based your comment on the thesis already that they might be right (since you accepted the possibility of a new CEO which has been brought up by BBRV only so far), I don't see why it wouldn't be appropriate for further specualation (i.e. answering your question who'd pay him) to refer to that very same and only source again.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 99 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 08:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
>It is Bill McEwen who is listed as CEO at Amiga's corporate website. Remember how impressed BillMc was of the Microsoft place?Maybe he finally changed to that company now...Ainc's Chairman did change before already iirc.
New Amiga CEO : Comment 100 of 254ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 27-Apr-2003 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (bbrv):
>The whole AmigaDE lawsuit was just a means to shut Bill McEwen up and force >Amiga Inc. into a settlement that might include us obtaining the rights to the >Amiga trademarks and the classic OS

why ? isnt morphos good enough ? or does the name matter so much ?

its impressive the ways and methods you use to get it your way :) you should
write a book....Dirty Business for Dummies or something :)))

Anyway....nothing can affect OS4....its here and it changes everything :)
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