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Posted on 27-Apr-2003 12:29 GMT by Amoon (Edited on 2003-04-27 15:08:02 GMT by Christian Kemp)138 comments
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Fleecy Moss countered the unconfirmed rumours of factually reported news at certain websites to be false. You can read the statement made by Fleecy Moss at AmigaWorld.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 1 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 27-Apr-2003 10:41 GMT
How about posting a direct link?
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 2 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 27-Apr-2003 10:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christian Kemp):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=430
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 3 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 27-Apr-2003 10:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christian Kemp):
I suppose this one should do it:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=430

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SlimJim
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 4 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 27-Apr-2003 10:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Ray A. Akey):
@Ray

Heh, damn you're fast! ;-)
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SlimJim
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 5 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 10:51 GMT
Amoon/Asemoon/Bouma wrote:

"Fleecy Moss countered the unconfirmed rumours of factually reported news at certain websites to be false."

No he didn't.



He was asked this question:

"Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?"

And he replied:

"****As of this moment**** Bill McEwen is the CEO of Amiga ...", followed by a lengthy explanation why changing CEO's is/would be a Good Thing.

"... and if a new CEO was to be brought in, it would be because [we're so great]"

So if anything, this is a confirmation that McEwen no longer is CEO, even if he's still emplyed as that on paper until the end of the month or whatever.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 6 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 27-Apr-2003 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
Boy that's some messed up logic you have there.

Bill McEwen is still CEO. Fleecy says AT SOME POINT we'll take on a new CEO to free up Bill McEwen to do other work. He didn't say Bill wasn't CEO.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 7 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
This sounds worrying though:

"[Gary Hare is] totally in sync with the current strategic direction of the company."

Would mean that nothing has changed and AmigaOS is still fscked by AInc. (Pretending for a moment that what they've currently got would be a "strategic direction".)
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 8 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 11:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Ray A. Akey):
"Boy that's some messed up logic you have there."

Boy, that's some reading difficulties you have there.

Try reading this sentence of mine again:

So if anything, this is a confirmation that McEwen no longer is CEO, even if he's still employed as that on paper until the end of the month or whatever.



But I don't blame you for not knowing who your CEO is at any given moment. I hardly know that from one week to another at the company I'm working for. :-) And that company isn't even owned by venture capitalists, like AInc is.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 9 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 27-Apr-2003 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
"[Gary Hare is] totally in sync with the current strategic direction of the company."

How could you ever append [Gary Hare] into that sentence? The use of [ ] is to
accentuate meaning when quoting out of direct context. Gary Hare was never
mentioned at all in the post.
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SlimJim
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 10 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 11:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (SlimJim):
Why do you ask?

The original said "Any CEO to be brought in". That's Gary Hare, mentioned in the original post or not, and he's already been brought in. I accentuated meaning because he was NOT mentioned.

Unless fleecy meant that Hare is on his way out as we speak... That was quick! ;-)
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 11 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 27-Apr-2003 11:22 GMT
See comment:

New Amiga CEO : Comment 151 of 161

Posted by bbrv (Trusted user) on 27-Apr-2003 12:53:36
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 12 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Kay on 27-Apr-2003 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
I fail to see how "As of this moment Bill McEwen is the CEO of Amiga" can work as "a confirmation that McEwen no longer is CEO".

Kay
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 13 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 27-Apr-2003 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (bbrv):
@bbrv

You are claiming the top dog at AmigaInc is someone else than who the people
actually working at AmigaInc say are their boss. Care to explain this... discrepancy?
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SlimJim
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 14 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 27-Apr-2003 11:31 GMT
If you have read some of Buck's follow-up postings it's not hard to see what he was trying to do. "the new Amiga Inc.", "Honestly, we thought this was "old" news", "We have offered across the board assistance!", etc, etc, LOL.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 15 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Mike Bouma):
"Mike Bouma (Trusted user)"

*shudder*

Christian, how about changing that text to the more neutral "registered user" or something?
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 16 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 27-Apr-2003 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Ray A. Akey):
Damn right. People sure see what they want to see.

>Boy that's some messed up logic you have there.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 17 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 11:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Kay):
Is Gary Hare CEO too?
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 18 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 27-Apr-2003 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (SlimJim):
It would appear to stem from the business cards used by Mr. Hare, which allegedly proclaim him as "Amiga Inc CEO".

The question now has to be: are the claims regarding these cards true (i.e. did they claim Mr. Hare was CEO and how long has he been using them?). If the cards are reality, then bbrv can be accused of misinterpretation, and perhaps reading more into it than he has good reason to. However, he can't be accused of LYING on this issue, which is what Fleecy claims.

If Hare has been using the cards as is claimed, then Amiga Inc are the architects of their own problems again. "You can't keep secrets for ever" is a lesson they still haven't learned.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 19 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by jack perry on 27-Apr-2003 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Kay):
> I fail to see how "As of this moment Bill McEwen is the CEO of Amiga"
> can work as "a confirmation that McEwen no longer is CEO".

When it comes to defending a conspiracy theory, reason is the first tool to fly out the window. :-D

jack perry
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 20 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 12:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Kay):
"I fail to see how "As of this moment Bill McEwen is the CEO of Amiga" can work as "a confirmation that McEwen no longer is CEO"."

Is it on principle that you stop reading text after a comma, or was it my typo in "employed" that threw you off?

Let me write that last bit which you managed to miss again: EVEN IF HE'S STILL EMPLOYED AS THAT ON PAPER UNTIL THE END OF THE MONTH OR WHATEVER.

You'll note that the evasive rubbish we've seen from out-of-the-loop AInc employees located abroad (Ray, fleecy) have all been careful to emphasize "currently", without any further specifics.


Ray, fleecy, please answer these questions that Bill Hoggett posed to you on Moo Bunny:

1 - Does Gary Hare work for Amiga Inc., and if so for how long?

2 - Has Gary Hare been operating with business cards that proclaim him as Amiga CEO, and if so for how long?

3 - if (2) is true, why?



Gary Hare is the new CEO. What's with the feigned controversy about this? And Bouma, just shut the fsck up for once, OK?
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 21 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Xisp on 27-Apr-2003 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Is Gary Hare a real person or a fictional character? ;)
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 22 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 12:13 GMT
"Any CEO to be brought in would be as part of the team and would be totally in sync with the current strategic direction of the company."

Amiga Inc. has a strategy?????? I must have missed something, then ..
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 23 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 12:15 GMT
Amiga Inc are liars and scum.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 24 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by moood on 27-Apr-2003 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
And BBRV isn't?
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 25 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (moood):
No
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 26 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 12:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
Very interesting.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 27 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Joe King on 27-Apr-2003 12:23 GMT
Does Amiga Inc have a office? yes a mean a proper building with a proper phone number.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 28 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 12:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Joe King):
No, they live in the wood right now .. in a tree house next to the fleecy moss :)
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 29 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Mighty Morphin Power Ranger on 27-Apr-2003 12:28 GMT
Amiga Inc are dead imo, they have lied and lied all the time in the past years and it saddens me to say i now declare them as dead, they have ripped me off for 50 dollars and not sent me a promised t-shirt, new CEO or not they are DEAD.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 30 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Mighty Morphin Power Ranger):
It's not really up to you to declare them to be DEAD. Thats just your personal opinion. I think they still have some life in them. Go buy something else and stop whinging.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 31 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Irving Gould on 27-Apr-2003 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Xisp):
anyone can make a business card,

I can make a business card making me CEO of Genesi, and according to bbrv this is enough to make me CEO of Genesi... so bbrv please stop making it out as if you are CEO of my company.

by the way I've just scrapped the pegasos II since it does not make sense to build it...
MorphOS is also being rewritten to run on Mac hardware instead of the few BPPC/CPPC cards out there.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 32 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Gary Hare fan and friend on 27-Apr-2003 12:42 GMT
Info snipped from http://www.hotlineusa.com/videointerviews/text/oztext.htm

G"ary Hare: Hello, I am Gary Hare, and I am the President and Chief Operating Officer of OZ Interactive."

I contacted Gary and he knows nothing or has even heard of the name Bill Buck and he will be taking legal advice if Mr Buck continues to use his name in a tastless manner.

Mr Buck you have been warned.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 33 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 27-Apr-2003 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Gary Hare fan and friend):
You are sure you have the right Gary Hare, are you?
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 34 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Kay on 27-Apr-2003 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
> Is it on principle that you stop reading text after a comma, or was it my typo in "employed" that threw you off?

Nope.

> EVEN IF HE'S STILL EMPLOYED AS THAT ON PAPER UNTIL THE END OF THE MONTH OR WHATEVER.

So what you're saying, basically, is that McEwen is no longer the CEO, even if he is still employed as the CEO.

Yeah, okay, that cleared it up.

Kay
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 35 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by AmiMonkey on 27-Apr-2003 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Kay):
Lol!

Very eloquently put Kay! :)

Ian
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 36 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 27-Apr-2003 13:04 GMT
Who knows, maybe my Pegasos with MorphOS will be a real Amiga before the summer, and not only "Amiga-like" ?
;-)
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 37 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Alex Klauke on 27-Apr-2003 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Gary Hare fan and friend):
Actually_a_ Gary Hare is CEO...

..of a company I never heard before:

http://www.vinimaya.com ("About", then left frame first name under "Management Team")

Only knew "Biene Maja" before (german insider ;-) And it seems as this kind of beard is quite common
with CEO's in the IT industry..

But what do I know, I just did hope that we wouldn't see no "Genesi", ..erh "Mai w/o April" like FUD again
and BBRV behaving like a business man (even if it _would_ be true), seems I was being naive :-(

Sad Amiga world.

Ciao, Alex
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 38 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 27-Apr-2003 13:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Alex Klauke):
But Gary Hare is indeed working on Amiga Inc.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 39 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 15:05 GMT
It is sad how a company can rip the users off who have faith in them and then the people who have been ripped off are praising Amiga Inc, there is something not right out there. do you people enjoy being ripped off? you must do to condone and defend illegal activites by Amiga companies.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 40 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Kay):
"So what you're saying, basically, is that McEwen is no longer the CEO, even if he is still employed as the CEO. "

Good, now you get it. Give that man a cigar!
Yes, it is possible and even common to be formally employed on paper until that formal employment expires, while somebody new holds your former position.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 41 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 27-Apr-2003 15:18 GMT
ahhh... new twist and turns in the soap opera around Amiga ...

regards
priest (leaning back, filling mouth with popcorn...)
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 42 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 27-Apr-2003 15:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
That remark fits the Pegasos/MorphOS camp very well.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 43 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 27-Apr-2003 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Remco Komduur):
Nobody in the MOS "camp" paid in advance and never recieved any product...
Nobody was ripped off.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 44 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by AmiMonkey on 27-Apr-2003 15:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
So who's prepaid in the amiga "camp" then Alkis?

Ian
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 45 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 27-Apr-2003 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Come to think of it, I was under the impression that somebody claimed some months ago he would be shutting down Amiga through litigation.

Now I'm hearing quite a different tune.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 46 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (AmiMonkey):
Everyone who bought one of those coupons, which is what the original poster (161.58.197.183) was off-topically ranting about. IIRC, that's more than 1000 payed pre-order deposits.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 47 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 27-Apr-2003 16:16 GMT
The statement by Fleecy appears to be quite simple. Bill McEwan is still CEO.

It goes on to say that he has three jobs within Amiga Inc, and that at some point in the future a new CEO will be brought in, but that isn't now.

So all in all, I can only regard Bill Buck's comments as lies.

Remember - if Amiga Inc are doing so well as to require an extra person in management, then why wouldn't they want to at least put this fact on their website? There appears to be a serious lack of logic operating from various people posting in this thread - those who are taking Buck's word over somebody who works and is senior within Amiga Inc.

It is so childish. Why can't Genesi let their own products speak for themselves? Why do they have to continually spread lies and FUD about their competitors - perhaps to cover up their own problems and inadequate products?
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 48 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2003 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (AmiMonkey):
Ian please tell me your not blind and writing your message via a brail machine?

Every single people who has been involved with the coupons crime have payed for something which they have not got, you defenders are trying to cover it up but listen pal the game is up and Amiga Inc have been exposed as fraudsters.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 49 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by szutoman on 27-Apr-2003 16:23 GMT
I would like to announce that I am officially the CEO of Microsoft and we have been been working with bbrv to integrate windows 2003 into their products. We have also decided to Drop all 32 bit source code for BBRV's new 64 bit code platform dependent dongled controlled Morph OS.
False rumours: Bill McEwen Amiga CEO : Comment 50 of 138ANN.lu
Posted by tonya on 27-Apr-2003 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (szutoman):
as a footnote , the copuons states: WHEN os4 is ready doesnt it? , when u bought it...what did it say? , what was the email regarding this stating?

i am positive on that the ones claiming here to have the coupons DOESNT have em,and never intended...its just FUD ...besides why bring this in here afterall? ..nothing to talk about?...
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