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[News] Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga IncANN.lu
Posted on 03-May-2003 03:21 GMT by Jubal (Edited on 2003-05-03 05:49:08 GMT by Christophe Decanini)232 comments
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A notice has been put up for perusal in an attempt to find a lawyer interested in handling a Class Action suit against Amiga Inc. By Wednesday, May 7, a lawyer will be selected. Anyone interested in joining please contact me at jubalharsaw1973@yahoo.com Only "Club Members" please. You must have proof of payment, a valid Email address, and understand that those involved in the Class Action will likely not recieve product if the suit comes to pass.
On Wednesday (or shortly thereafter) a lawyer or representative will contact you and verify your Email, and your information will be verified by the lawyer, not me. (But I do need to supply him with a contact Email or at least a phone number or address)
I've been instructed NOT to reveal the details. These you must only discuss with the lawyer when contacted, AFAIK, I will not respond to flames, and I ask that you not give me any information other than a means to verify you are a real person.
I'm sorry I can't say more, but untill Wednesday I don't really know what I can say.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 1 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by jubal on 03-May-2003 01:29 GMT
Counfount it!! Could a moderator please edit the email to "JubalHarshaw1973@yahoo.com" and those who've already sent mail please resend? Much appreciated.

PS: Feel free to use a "disposable" email address for contact. I don't need your real address. I just need a way to pass on information so you can be contacted by the lawyer. thanks again.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 2 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 03-May-2003 03:42 GMT
This is just too strange....why all of this just when the AmigaOne is coming out, the Amiga game pack is in compusa, and Amiga OS is "just around the corner
....good grief...
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 3 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Quixote on 03-May-2003 04:17 GMT
If the signatories to this class action suit will receive no "product," what would be the point, other than to hurt Amiga, Inc. for the purpose of hurting Amiga, Inc.? Such action would be damaging at a time when the company needs the community’s confidence.

Speaking as a Club Amiga member, the last thing I want is to have one fewer company from which to buy Amiga related products.

Shutting down the competition does not help the customer.

Is there another list where Club Amiga members can register their OPPOSITION to this action? Any lawer who sniffs for blood around Aniga, Inc. does not represent ME!
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 4 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-May-2003 04:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Quixote):
> If the signatories to this class action suit will receive no "product," what
> would be the point,

To get you're money back? They were just borrowing it after all.

> other than to hurt Amiga, Inc

How does it hurt Amiga? They were going to give it back anyway. Actually it works out cheaper for them, as they can forget about the T-Shirts.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 5 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Jciber on 03-May-2003 04:32 GMT
So your telling me that you want someone to send you there email and info with out even saying what the suit is about? Smells fishy to me.
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-May-2003 04:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Jciber):
> So your telling me that you want someone to send you there email and info with out even saying what the suit is about? Smells fishy to me.

Yea, he could have simply just gotten your email from your post! LOL!
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Posted by Jubal on 03-May-2003 04:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Jciber):
No. I specifically asked for NO information. I encourage and reccomend a disposable Email address as well. I want to know exactly nothing. I will simply pass contact information along.
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Posted by Alan Buxey on 03-May-2003 04:57 GMT
all this fuss for $50. sorry, i'd probably be a little bit more concerned
about my $50 if i hadnt seen slow and cumbersome movements from AmigaInc.

okay, we dont have any tshirts (i probably would only wear it as night
clothes in winter anyway - if it was comfortable enough). we still dont
have any word from them about how to get your rebate once the AmigaONE
comes through the front door. but they're still there, and theres now the
CAM. dont forget what you also paid for wasnt quite legal in most countries anyway - and, in fact, the final wordings worked out to be $50 for membership to Club Amiga. ie chance for legal actions? varied, but very slim.

and , once again, for $50 ?? pointless. the only person who'll benefit would be the lawyer (as usual). I've been stung for much more than that in total
bad transactions on Ebay over the past year, live with it


alan
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-May-2003 04:58 GMT
Why now? Why not earlier?

It all looks like another threat to destroy Amiga INC along with the business cards and ex-employees sounding like they worked at a sweat shop for no money (hey, why not quit your job and find a better one eh?)
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 10 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 03-May-2003 05:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
I agree. This sounds like a real "nutcase" working on this one.Yeah, a lawyer is going to sue a company which is struggling.Some payout he'll win. All parties to the class action suit willget $1 and the lawyer will get a windfall of $1,000 max.These last few days sounds more like a concerted effort to makeAmiga look very bad. ( I admit, they certainly haven't moved asfast as my fantasies about their performance did), but they haven'tbeen totally malicious. I don't have an idea of who is behind it,but I wouldn't be surprised. The timing of all of this seems veryfishy. Suppposedly these events have all happened in the past, but notat the same time. Why would the info. be released suddenly at thistime.....Nah....too fishy.......If the person or persons are found out and their claims are false, it is possible that a defamation of character suit could be pursued. Speech might be free, but you can also be held accountablefor what you say (T-shirts, anyone?)Anyway, I don't recommend hanging around if you don't have the stomach.
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Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 03-May-2003 06:02 GMT
Sure, why not.

I believe that they won't stop "stealing" money from poeple before they either are out of business or have actually earned some money (wonder if/when).

(Well, I'm not a club-member)
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Posted by IonMane on 03-May-2003 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Alan Buxey):
From eyetech website:

If you have purchased the Amiga Inc Party Pack and/or The Amiga club membership scheme then you will also need to send a copy of your invoice to Amiga Inc - as a proof of purchase of your AmigaOne - in order to receive your rebate.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 13 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by keisangi on 03-May-2003 06:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (IonMane):
amigan that call other amigans to try to kill amiga inc?
you're out of your mind.
go and get rest.

as for me, i'll support both aone and peg no matter what happen.
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Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 03-May-2003 06:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Alan Buxey):
Actually there are other persons benefitting from such actions, and you can probably make out for yourself who that may be.

The whole crusade the last days have been embarassing if you ask me. Luckily most people aren't easily influenced by kids throwing dirt just because their sand castle sucked.
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-May-2003 07:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Quixote):
> "If the signatories to this class action suit will receive no "product," what would be the point, other than to hurt Amiga, Inc. for the purpose of hurting Amiga, Inc.?"

What "product" are you referring to? Teron boards will still be made and sold by several companies regardless of AInc. Hyperion will still be doing AmigaOS.
The "product" you could be missing out on is getting your $50 back after you've bought AmigaOS or a Teron mobo, plus a T-shirt. There's no chance in hell you'll ever get your money back from AInc without a lawsuit, and you could forget about the T-shirt a year ago. This way, you might actually get some "product", i.e. your money back.

> "Such action would be damaging at a time when the company needs the community’s confidence. "

Surely you're joking!? Apart from the VC investment, it's the AInc abuse of confidence/gullibility of parts of the "community" that has allowed them to survive this far. It's only AInc's (in)actions that have put them where they are, plus the propagation of their lies by certain elements of the "community". Nobody else is to blame. What you just wrote is equivalent to telling people to send more money to AInc, because you feel you haven't been fooled badly enough.

> "Speaking as a Club Amiga member, the last thing I want is to have one fewer company from which to buy Amiga related products. "

Huh? What would AInc have to do with Amiga related products? Other than through negligence killing off the only Amiga related product around that bears the Amiga name today, AmigaOS?

> "Shutting down the competition does not help the customer. "

Well, too bad for those who are looking for more competition on the WinCE/PocketPC games market then. But those already have cheaper and better offerings elsewhere. AInc is shutting itself down, by its own fault. That's competition in action.

> "Is there another list where Club Amiga members can register their OPPOSITION to this action?"

I'm sure someone at amigaincworld.net is busy as we speak.


To Jubal: As you can see, there are some who stubbornly persist to live in denial in the "community", but it could be worth posting this on other places where the scam was advertised (albeit less successfully), just google for "bouma" and "coupon". OSNews and Slashdot spring to mind.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 16 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Robert Wyatt on 03-May-2003 07:09 GMT
this is getting stupid,and embarassing, when I get OS4 i'll never visit
online amiga forums again :(
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Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 03-May-2003 07:16 GMT
I for one, will Not be joining this little stab at Amiga Inc. By that i don't mean that the Coupon/Party pack thing is an okay thing. But i will not be part of this, when things are looking brighter than ever, for the Amiga Community. AmigaOneXE is out, and OS4 is not that far away anymore.

And yes, i'm a Coupon holder.

Regards
Lasse Bodilsen
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Posted by Remco Komduur on 03-May-2003 07:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Lasse Bodilsen):
This is really, really low.
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Posted by ...---... on 03-May-2003 07:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Lasse Bodilsen):
Sounds to me like another scheme by Genesi and their followers to get the Amiga assets at fire sale prices if their attempt to bury Amiga worked. To bad the sensible people of the world can see through this veiled vendetta.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 03-May-2003 07:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (...---...):
The first time I have ever used this word, mark the date: LOL

Why don't we blame Genesi for the sad Amiga history aswell
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 21 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-May-2003 07:34 GMT
Smells like a MorphOS/BBRV/Genesi backed action to me.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 22 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-May-2003 07:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Lasse Bodilsen):
"I for one, will Not be joining this little stab at Amiga Inc."

It's the only chance for YOU to get YOUR money back. But take it or leave it. Can't see why you'd feel concern for AInc though, even if making them pay what they owe actually would be a "stab".

"But i will not be part of this, when things are looking brighter than ever, for the Amiga Community. AmigaOneXE is out, and OS4 is not that far away anymore. "

Sigh. The future of Teron boards and AmigaOS has nothing to do with AInc. Nothing, other than that AInc acts as a boat anchor to AmigaOS. AInc's line of business is licensing a trademark they purchased to others, and rebadging products of others which have nothing to do with anything "Amiga".

Try to get your money back, or don't.
But why on earth anyone would care more about perpetuating the wrong-doings of some company that incidentally calls itself "Amiga, Inc." than about the future of AmigaOS and even their own money is beyond comprehension.
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Posted by Red Melons on 03-May-2003 07:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (IonMane):
From Eyetech website:

If you have purchased the Amiga Inc Party Pack and/or The Amiga club membership scheme then you will also need to send a copy of your invoice to Amiga Inc - as proof of purchase of your AmigaOne - in order to receive your rebate.

From AInc Website:

( 4-Jan-2003) Amiga Inc. would like to apologise unreservedly for the delay in getting the T-shirts out. We have received all the orders from the dealers and no blame should be attached to the dealers for the delay. There are several reasons for the delay and we are working on trying to get these remedied as quickly as possible. We hope to have everything sorted out in the next few weeks.

4th January! AInc just seem incapable of fulfilling their committments or keeping promises. You know, people do have a right to receive what they pay for.
As usual, when a company has problems, it is the lower level employees and customers who get shafted. The bosses always walk away with huge 'golden handshakes'. That is why I hope the Exective(s) of AInc are not drawing salaries until they have fulfilled their committment and put right the mess they made.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 24 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-May-2003 07:50 GMT
BTW, will this inlude the money owed from the even older $100 party pack scam?

I'd guess that they owe at least $150 to several of us here.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 25 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-May-2003 08:23 GMT
The lawyer's fees alone will eat up the $50, and that's the *only* thing (OK, and the party pack $100, woohoo!) that Amiga, Inc can be sued for. If you think you're going to see your $150 (assuming you got both) you'll be sorely disappointed. If you see $50 out of the $150 I'd call that lucky.

I don't know if this is being instigated by you-know-who, but it's pretty obvious that no-one's going to be getting their $50 back *this* way. The only things you'll manage to do is (1) pay for a lawyer's lunch, (2) help propagate the idea that Americans have the most f*cked up legal system in the world.

Hmmm.... where's that address again? ;)
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 26 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas W on 03-May-2003 08:25 GMT
Well, I suppose it would be proper for coupon holders who disagree with this to counter-sue, since this is obviously an effort to waste Amiga Inc.'s time and money (what little they have). As such that could well mean that business would be slowed down, or - who knows, perhaps even cause bankruptcy. This is very much against my intersts as a coupon holder, and could potentially mean that I'd never see my money back, if this scheme was to succeed.

So, who's up for going after these people?
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 27 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-May-2003 08:25 GMT
Idiots.... Really, come on, all we hear is "Ainc is out of money", "Ainc is bust" etc etc, and now they want to sue them for getting their money back, when they were claiming Ainc has no money? What's the point then?

Ah, i see, trying to push them into bankruptcy would be the deal here, liquidating Ainc, and then buy their assets at give-away prices, maybe even sue other companies who have products related to the Amiga name (AOS4 & A1), rebrand their own brands as such.... Seems more likely the motivation behind it.

One of the rumors i've heard months ago (relating to Peck, yes, this wasn't news to me) was that BB paid his lawyer, and i have the feeling there's a BB lawyer involved inhere aswell.

But since Ainc bought the name, and a *licence* to the IP (the IP is still property of Gatway, Inc as far as i know), the only real thing to gain would be the following:

1: The brandname
2: The IP they created (AmigaDE/Anywhere, but this too involves a Tao licence)

But what if their licences with gateway & Tao are non transferable? Incase of a bankruptsy they'd be revoked....

The timing for doing this kind of lawsuit is just plain stupid, wait afew months untill they actually have some money, if, offcourse, that is why you want to sue (and again, i don't believe that's the real motivation behind it, the timing is just to stupid)

Amon_Re
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 28 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-May-2003 08:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Thomas W):
I'll join you there, i don't have any of their coupons, but i'm against a lawsuit like this, because it's pointless

Cheers,
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 29 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-May-2003 08:32 GMT
BTW, jubal, i'm guessing that jubalharshaw1973@yahoo.com isn't your main mailaccount? Why don't you give us your real name? Hiding behind a yahoo address is useless if you want to sue someone, come on, reveal yourself

Cheers,
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 30 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 03-May-2003 08:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Amon_Re):
I agree. If someone organize something like this, it would be approriate to even give ones identity for the public.

For the first time I feel a bit sorry for AInc. for years, on the other hand people are entitled to get back what they paid for. In a way or another.
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Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 03-May-2003 08:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
"It's the only chance for YOU to get YOUR money back."

How would you know?, have you tried anyonther way of getting Your money back? (if you even have money involved in this)

"Sigh. The future of Teron boards and AmigaOS has nothing to do with AInc. "

Proberly why i wrote Brighter for the community, and not Amiga Inc.

"Try to get your money back, or don't.
But why on earth anyone would care more about perpetuating the wrong-doings of some company that incidentally calls itself "Amiga, Inc." than about the future of AmigaOS and even their own money is beyond comprehension. "

Don't put words into my mouth, i'm not defending Amiga Inc. for their "wrong-doings", but merely stating, that i will not be part of this "stab".
btw: $50 is not the kind of money that will ruin my world. and i would proberly not get a full refound anyway.
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Posted by Mostafa on 03-May-2003 08:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Thomas W):
I am up for a Counter Suit!

Any lawyers out there that want to get involved, let me know where you want my contact details sent ;-).

regards

Mostafa
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Posted by Ian Shurmer on 03-May-2003 08:52 GMT
Just out of interest, how much would it cost to hire a lawyer and pay the legal fees? More than $50 per person?!

Ian
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Posted by Lando on 03-May-2003 08:59 GMT
I will send my info. I suggest employing Ben Hermans as the lawyer, since he is probably the one lawyer in the world who knows all the ins and outs of this case first hand.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 35 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-May-2003 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Lando):
Only two problems there:

1: Ben would never take this case, it's too stupid
2: Ben is a Belgian lawyer, Ainc is a US based company, so he'd need to be allowed to procecute there, wich iirc, he isn't.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 36 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 03-May-2003 09:18 GMT
Hillarious !

Who was it who brought this onto AInc ?
Yep AInc themselve by starting those coupons without wasting a thought about
how to handle (and pay) the goods and refunds they were selling.

Now some 8 months later some of those who bought said "products" are feed up
to the point that they are considering to take legal action.

How can a company be damaged when it is incapeble to handle 1000 t-shirts ?
That alone makes a pretty descent sign for the state of AInc.

Even if Genesi were behind this, so what ? It was AInc who put that dead-body
into their cellar, and you can bet on it that AInc would do the same if they
had found something similar on the competition.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 37 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by ...---... on 03-May-2003 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Amon_Re):
Buck said in IRC that he and Peck have the same laywer.
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Posted by Anon on 03-May-2003 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
> Sigh. The future of Teron boards and AmigaOS has nothing to do with AInc.


But what happens when the IP/brandname/license rights are bought by a 3rd party? Killing or restricting the Amiga name could damage a lot of development done so far. Hyperion may have the rights to AOS4, but do they have rights to use the Amiga name? Do they have rights to develop AOS further?

This "community" is very, very small. Had AOS4 been done 5 years ago it would have been cool. Now it is going to struggle in a big way. Damaging the brand name holder (regardless of how useless they may be) damages everything to do with the brand.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 03-May-2003 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Kronos):
Kronos, my point was that the suit is stupid, as there's nothing to be gained, unless you wish to put Ainc in an even tighter spot.

The people who decide to sign up for this will not get their 50$ back this way, the only one who might win out of this is the laywers
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 40 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-May-2003 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (...---...):
I knew that for months now, but the rumors are that Bill Buck payed the laywer instead of Peck, but this is the last i'm saying on this case, it's a RUMOR, i'm not saying it is tue, the only ones who know the truth on this are BB, Peck & the laywer himself.
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Posted by 3seas on 03-May-2003 09:49 GMT
Amazing....why would anyone need to hire Ben when there is apparently a whole room of lawyers here.Or at least those who think that are.Recently I was a participant in a class action suit against an insurance company. I had no idea about the class action case until I was contacted/notified by some company about the case and payout,Apparently as part of the settlement there was a notification process via mail to all those who could be found via the insurance company records and by newspaper notification for those who might not have received such notice, ie, they changed their address and are no longer active with the insurance company, etc..What this came down to is that I had to make a choice regarding whether or not I wanted to be a part of the settlement group or not OR .....bla bla bla..The point is this: nobody here has express any clue regarding class action lawsuits and the original poster may be jumping the gun in trying to make a public notice or perhaps trying to get a better feel of what the interest of other might be.I'd imagine that all the Club Amiga members don't all frequent here and to have joined whould have gone thru Amiga (who should have records ??????) The original poster may very well be checking into the possibility..... AND NOBODY should be opposing such an investigation but at best simply provide him with the email address (If you interested in such a direction).But that is not what has happened here. And I do wonder if anyone who has posted to this thread is intouch with reality enough to realise what has happened here.
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Posted by Lando on 03-May-2003 09:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Amon_Re):
>The people who decide to sign up for this will not get their 50$ back this way

Money isn't the matter it's the principal. Somebody took my $50. Its not a lot of money, but I worked hard for it. $5, $50, $5000... it doesn't matter!
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Posted by Not a cheerleader for AINC on 03-May-2003 09:58 GMT
I see the same sort of people want to cover up fraud, Amiga Inc are involved in fraud to the highest limits and you people still insist they are a great leader who have done nothing wrong at all.

Come in to reality people.
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Posted by Kjetil on 03-May-2003 10:08 GMT
What the fuck is this crap....

He I warned you form give money for the T-shorts at the time,
it where suggested as a gift to AInc at the time,
and they a apparently needed all the money,
So if you were willing to support Ainc then way not now,
with the $4 it costs to produces and send this T-shorts
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Posted by itix on 03-May-2003 10:09 GMT
I don't get these people attacking against other Amiga users who want justice. Even Amiga Inc. cant operate above law. If AI has done something wrong it is solely their own mistake and they must suffer consequences.
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Posted by Thomas W on 03-May-2003 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (itix):
Once AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4 is out it's a different matter. For now there is still nothing illegal anywhere. There was no timeframe mentioned when the coupons were sold from what I can recall. That would suggest that the time when the final product is released is the time when the coupons should be paid back.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 03-May-2003 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Lando):
It's the principle thing huh? quite convieniant timing to your principles....

Like i said, this is just an attempt to damage Ainc further, i know you hate Ainc's guts Lando, and i don't give a rats behind, but if i were to sue someone on principles, i'd have waited untill after the release of AOS4, after all, the coupons were a deal with the A1/AOS4 bundle.
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Posted by Not a cheerleader for AINC on 03-May-2003 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Amon_Re):
You really mean lets cover up fraud and protect Amiga Inc, your blindness is stupid and you have exposed yourself as someone who is willing to ignore the truth while sitting back and laughing at people who have been scammed.

I wonder how do you sleep at nights? (dreams of Amiga Inc fraudsters)
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Posted by William F. Maddock on 03-May-2003 10:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (3seas):
You know, I actually find myself in total agreement with Tim Rue. Go figure. :-)

If this very bad joke proceeds you will do nothing in your own favor. You will only have wasted your time and more money than you are currently “out”. That's if you win; that's if the judge doesn't look at you and laugh.

For anyone who is proceeding with a counter-very-bad-joke I recommend you subpoena the owners of the popular amiga-related web site forums for the content of the forums so you can show proof of how little regard the people in them have for court processes, such as “SEALED! SHUT UP!! DON'T TALK ABOUT THIS OUTSIDE THE COURT ROOM!”

Honestly you people seem to have no clue of the kind of trouble you could be letting yourselves in for. Please…

Take a breath and use some logic before you find yourself at the bottom of a stack of court documents looking up.
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Posted by KenH on 03-May-2003 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Thomas W):
Exactly. And this I assume will be the first thing any good lawyer will say. But even then, I personally wouldn't be bothered with all the hassle for $50. I too have suffered the worse expenses of online auction sellers.


>Once AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4 is out it's a different matter. For now there is still nothing illegal anywhere. There was no timeframe mentioned when the coupons were sold
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