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[News] Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga IncANN.lu
Posted on 03-May-2003 03:21 GMT by Jubal (Edited on 2003-05-03 05:49:08 GMT by Christophe Decanini)232 comments
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A notice has been put up for perusal in an attempt to find a lawyer interested in handling a Class Action suit against Amiga Inc. By Wednesday, May 7, a lawyer will be selected. Anyone interested in joining please contact me at jubalharsaw1973@yahoo.com Only "Club Members" please. You must have proof of payment, a valid Email address, and understand that those involved in the Class Action will likely not recieve product if the suit comes to pass.
On Wednesday (or shortly thereafter) a lawyer or representative will contact you and verify your Email, and your information will be verified by the lawyer, not me. (But I do need to supply him with a contact Email or at least a phone number or address)
I've been instructed NOT to reveal the details. These you must only discuss with the lawyer when contacted, AFAIK, I will not respond to flames, and I ask that you not give me any information other than a means to verify you are a real person.
I'm sorry I can't say more, but untill Wednesday I don't really know what I can say.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 51 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 03-May-2003 10:57 GMT
[Rant ON]
Yeah ?

But ..................

I DONT WANT MY MONEY BACK !! (Shock .. Horror)

And I NEVER expected to get a Poxy T-shirt either (Which would probably end up being used as a "duster" anyway)

Right at the outset, I wished to show my support for Amiga Inc so that DEVELOPERS could see that there IS a viable market for their products..

Of course.. a SHITLOAD of people couldnt be arsed about our software developement and therefore didnt bother showing their support ...

Hence the lowly count.

The CAM magazine IS a nice bonus ... I never expected ANYTHING !!
[/Rant off]
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 52 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 03-May-2003 11:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Amon_Re):
It didn't happen this way... Bolton won the case with that layer, Bill saw it
and got the same lawyer for his case. It's that simple.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 53 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 03-May-2003 11:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Thomas W):
If nothing illegal happened then Amiga Inc. should win this case. So simple.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 54 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by TheArrogantSarny on 03-May-2003 11:35 GMT
"Creative Writing for Dummies" by B. Buck is a truely remarkable book full of lots of useful hints on how to make yourself look like a real plonker as practiced by tens of MorphOS users everyday.

Just look at the testimonials:

"This is a great book. Much better than 'Factual Writing for Intellects' by Amiga, Inc."
- B. Buck.

"This book is truely amazing. I wanna lick the authors ass."
- G. Boy

Buy your copy of "Creative Writing for Dummies" today and get 200 blank pages absolutely FREE... Yes. That's right. You too can get your hands on the official Q-Box source code ;-)
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 55 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas W on 03-May-2003 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (itix):
That doesn't change the fact that lawsuits are expensive.
Even though Sony never won in court over Bleem!, the latter were forced to shut down because of Sony's non-stop onslaught by lawyers. Defending yourself isn't free.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 56 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by TheArrogantSarny on 03-May-2003 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Thomas W):
I wonder what Sony could have done if they'd rereleased Bleem! as open source ;-)
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 57 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-May-2003 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Not a cheerleader for AINC):
"You really mean lets cover up fraud and protect Amiga Inc, your blindness is stupid and you have exposed yourself as someone who is willing to ignore the truth while sitting back and laughing at people who have been scammed.

I wonder how do you sleep at nights? (dreams of Amiga Inc fraudsters)"

Note now that i have never protected Ainc, what i do, however, is question the reasoning behind this.

I'm not a blind follower of "the name", nor am i a supporter of Genesi, nor do i laugh at the people who bought the coupons. They have every right to be pissed about it, but *THIS* is not the solution
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 58 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-May-2003 12:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Like i said Alkis, they were rumors, and i quite specificly said that they were indeed, rumors.

I also stated that the only people who can know for sure are the 3 persons involved, personally, i couldn't care less, but you have to admit that all the dirt coming out atm seems to be coming from Bill Buck, be it directly, or indirectly, some of these are true, some are half truths & some are lies.

Basicly, it makes no difference to us end users, we want A1/AOS4 and/or P1/P2/MOS, and we will get these products, *UNLESS* someone finds a loophole the size of Jupiter to hinder this :)
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 59 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Santa Claus on 03-May-2003 12:14 GMT
Hey Amigans,

This kind of nonsense is not going to give me the opportunity of delivering the packages with Amiga Ones and OS 4.

What is this guy thinking?

You want a t-shirt, I will send you one next Christmas.....

Ho HO HO
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 60 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-May-2003 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Thomas W):
"That doesn't change the fact that lawsuits are expensive.
Even though Sony never won in court over Bleem!, the latter were forced to shut down because of Sony's non-stop onslaught by lawyers. Defending yourself isn't free."

I think this is the case here, get as many people as possible to sue Ainc so they fold, then buy their assets

It's bussinness 101, it's low, it's dirty, and it's the way most corporations think :(
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 61 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Colin Camper on 03-May-2003 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
MorphOS/BBRV/Genesi = Axis of evil
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 62 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by unclewilli-amigalover on 03-May-2003 12:35 GMT
so it looks like its down to this, run an add to see how many lawers will show up, and if any do, then you can choose one. will you choose by looks or do innie minnie minnie moe catch a lawer by his/her toe thing? interesting indeed.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 63 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey_C on 03-May-2003 12:37 GMT
It says a lot for the quality of some of the postings here when Tim Rue can post a very well reasoned and intelligent comment.

Well done Tim.

(And I never thought I would ever say that!)

Mikey C
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 03-May-2003 12:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Amon_Re):
I also stated that the only people who can know for sure are the 3 persons involved
--

There are a LOT more people that know about it... Many people wanted to ignore
it but here it is, publically, now. I knew about that story for about 4-5 months.

, personally, i couldn't care less, but you have to admit that all the dirt coming out atm seems to be coming from Bill Buck,
--

What exactly came from Bill? Only the CEO thingie... Bolton Peck already had told
us about it, he just posted it on a forum now... Well, I did post about it in
the past, without his name, yet I was flamed TO DEATH, by A Inc people...

be it directly, or indirectly, some of these are true, some are half truths & some are lies.
--

Which of the things he said was a lie?
The CEO stuff? It was not a lie, nor a mistake. McEwen said that he isn't the CEO
himself. The business card one? The business card was sent to a lot of people,
BB was one of them... The Articia stuff? Totally true, needed a new revision.
The BIOS stuff? totally true, Hyperion ported a new BIOS.
*WHAT'S* not true? What HAS BEEN PROVED wrong?
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 65 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Jonny Johansson on 03-May-2003 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Amon_Re):
>...but this is the last i'm saying on this case, it's a RUMOR, i'm not
>saying it is true...

Of course you don't. Now that you have got it out, there are plenty of
others who can propagate it as truth for you, not that they really need to - implicating is at least as efficient. FUD, CounterFUD, goto FUD - there has
been so much of this, that within the "community" there's a dagger beneath
every cloak. Can't see why *anybody* would want anything to do with the
remnants of the amiga user base, but at least we *are* perfect victims.

As for the various companies; it's not so much that the have not
earned trust and respect as that they have earnt distrust.
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Posted by itix on 03-May-2003 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Thomas W):
But in this case *individuals* are sueing Amiga Inc. and lawsuit is *not* against OS4 nor AmigaOne. If AI loses blame Canada.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 67 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 03-May-2003 13:42 GMT
Convienently ignored....

OBVIOUSLY hit a nerve.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 68 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 03-May-2003 13:55 GMT
Amazing, truly amazing. Some purchasers of the party pack and coupon debacles(most would say scam) are finally putting their money where their mouth is and possibly initiating a class action lawsuit. Good for them. No company should be above the law. If they were wronged it is completely in their right to receive justice.

But what happens? They are attacked as Gensi henchmen? Bill Buck is blamed? Please people, grow up! Bill Buck was not the person who collected money and did not deliver the products or any of the promises. If Amiga Inc employees were to MURDER someone you would probably still be defending them wouldn't you? Think about it.
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Posted by Thomas W on 03-May-2003 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (redrumloa):
Please stop being ridiculous.
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Posted by Not a cheerleader for AINC on 03-May-2003 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (redrumloa):
Very well put, Amiga Inc are fraudsters and that now is a well known fact so how these people can still chearleader is just pathetic.

Amiga Inc - So the real world knows were fraudsters.
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-May-2003 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (TheArrogantSarny):
@TheArrogantSarny

You are so right!

Most of the idiots shouting for action are MOS ppl, who most if not any have not paid amiga the £50. They will back anyone or for what ever reason as long as its against Amiga.inc.

Its the same names comming up from the MOS side time & time again.

They should be too busy doing loads & loads of great things with their
Peg/Mos! but they are not cos the Peg/MOS is crap.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 72 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Colin Camper on 03-May-2003 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (redrumloa):
Amazing!

Yes quite. I gave A-inc $50.
I paid this in the spirit that I donate to FSF or Freeware authors if I like what they're doing.
If it facilitates OS4 - Good!
If I get a T-shirt - Nice!
If I get it refunded against OS4/A1 great!
Do I care if I get it back - No!

The BIG question is why do YOU care about my $50 NOW and why didn't you care about it until;
A1's started shipping in volume
OS/4 is imminent (I hope! :-) )
A incs' revenue stream from M$ starts rolling.

You Sir are a Fraud ! Like all apologists for the axis of evil you don't even realise how transparent and pathetic your behaviour looks.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 73 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-May-2003 14:49 GMT
i guessing the latest "member" who joined the Amiga Club a few days ago maybe will volunteer
for this mission, also guessing this is what he signed up to do!
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Posted by Stew on 03-May-2003 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Colin Camper):
>The BIG question is why do YOU care about my $50 NOW and why didn't you care >about it until


Exactly when is the right time for action? How long should one wait? I am not concerned about my 50$ but I can see how others are. The only viable option is for those wanting a refund to band together for a class action suit. Lawyer fees would be added to the settlement giving each his 50$ back. Can AI pay the judgement is another matter.
If the A1 and AOS4 were not close to release AI should not have offered the coupons. Or is right for me to sell you a coupon for the cure to cancer that I am working on but won't be ready for a "few more weeks".
Bill Buck may be a jerk,(how would I know as I never met him) but you have to admit the AI bunch have lied! Why does not anybody that defend the lies that are eventualy proven to be lies admit that.
Would I like to see some one else with the Amiga IP? You bet as it can't be run anymore inefficiently than it has been with this last bunch. Someone show me how the leadership of AI has been good for the Amiga.



Mark
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Posted by Mark on 03-May-2003 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Thomas W):
>That doesn't change the fact that lawsuits are expensive.
>Even though Sony never won in court over Bleem!, the latter were forced to >shut down because of Sony's non-stop onslaught by lawyers. Defending yourself >isn't free

That's why you counter sue.
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Posted by dammy on 03-May-2003 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Colin Camper):
> MorphOS/BBRV/Genesi = Axis of evil

Is that sorta like McEwen/Fleecy/Bouma = Axis of Weasels?

Dammy
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Posted by Tony on 03-May-2003 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Stew):
Amiga Inc are liars but as you see some silly members of the Amiga community can not handle the fact their heroes have been exposed so they must continue the fight to insult anyone who speaks out against them.

Also it shows the idiots webmasters who still continue to promote questions and answers from a guy who has lied to the Amiga community for years, this Amiga Inc worshipping is going out of control.

Amiga Inc are liars, theives and deserve no respect.
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Posted by Concerned Amiga owner on 03-May-2003 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Robert Wyatt):
Must say that its sorry to see all the games going dealing with "Amiga" !

If you look at the History of the Amiga dealing from the CBM days, forward its corruption that did the company in, and we all lost. History is repeating itself with all these games going on. Not saying where the "truth" is, but I know it is out there somewhere, and this crying does nothing to help matters.

Concerned
Amiga owner
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Posted by logain on 03-May-2003 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Colin Camper):
Seems that you^re not really interested in what has happened to your
50 $.

Others are, simply because they thought that they would actually get
their promised goods directly and dont have to wait for more than half
a year while be scared about getting nothing at all..

As it seems its unusual in your country, to get products you already
paid for (i cannot expain your attidute about getting nothing to
myself otherwise), why dont you just stay away from discussion and
continue to care about nothing..?
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 80 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Colin Camper on 03-May-2003 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Tony):
"Amiga Inc are liars but as you see some silly members of the Amiga community can not handle the fact their heroes have been exposed so they must continue the fight to insult anyone who speaks out against them."

And who are you 'Hero Worshiping'?
I don't think my not being bothered by what happened to my $50 equates to hero worship? The only person at A inc that I have dealt with is Gary Peak who I find to be honest and friendly - and does what he says he will do. As for the others - all I know is that when good things happen to the Axis of evil camp you don't see A-inc people firing up a copy of photoshop and creating a laughably poor fake business card along with some bullshit story.

The funny thing is that a reasonable number of people interested in OS4 were also interested in Peg/morph ... until now!

You must be really dumb if you think that we don't know who you 'hero worship' and what alterior motives you have.
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Posted by case on 03-May-2003 16:09 GMT
please .. all of you stop.

Realise the following, court transcripts have been posted where amiga inc have neglected to pay petty amounts of cash.
An employee has been neglected to the effect that his life is now mostly in ruin.

and now some people , concerned people, want their money back. as Amiga Inc can't seem to pay their bills I would conclude that they are'nt likely to be able to pay this amount back willingly, Yes I would have taken them to court earlier.

And what's up with these attacks on the < insert three letter acronym> of genesi, Come on. It's sort of .. sick to see .. most of you are defending a company that has lied and deceived most of you so please.. just .. stop with the attacks on persons not relating to this issue.

And if genesi picks up the company and the brand, maybe you will finally see some results, remember who has produced a product and who hasnt.

I say all of this as a person looking from the outside in, I became aware of this a couple of hours ago and I am come monday going to file a basic investigation claim through the swedish patent office to get the papers and contact information about Amiga inc and see what can be done, probably if it goes belly up wayne will get a fax with the papers...
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 82 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Tony on 03-May-2003 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Colin Camper):
Your a idiot, i own a A1-SE so i am waiting for OS4 but i will not condone fraud and i will not wank over tossers like Peake,<oss,McEwen.

So your Genesis worshiping theory goes out of the window, Amiga Inc are a bunch of lying low life bunch of fraudsters with wankers defending and people like yourself turning a blind eye to illegal goings on.

Dont be blind the truth is now FACT and can be PROVEN.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 83 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 03-May-2003 16:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (case):
For christ sake, the rebate is for not yet officially released products, the currently available AmigaOne hardware is just a prerelease and OS4 is not yet finished. Can't you please wait until these products are officially released before claiming rebates?

In the voice of a spoiled little brat: "...but what about the t-shirts?"

It's just a t-shirt, goddamnit! Do you really find a t-shirt reason enough to raise a massive court case against Amiga Inc.? I'm sorry but there's more important things on their to-do list right now and I'm *GLAD* they don't prioritize the t-shirt issue right now.

Geez... How old are you people, really?
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 84 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 03-May-2003 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (case):
>and now some people , concerned people, want their money back. as Amiga Inc can't
> seem to pay their bills I would conclude that they are'nt likely to be able to pay this amount
> back willingly, Yes I would have taken them to court earlier.

Who is that? Not one person in this thread claims to have bought the rebate and to have decided that he or she no longer wants A 4.0 when it comes out. The people who are voicing that they favor a lawsuit are doing just that—but we're not talking about tons of actual purchasers who really care that a t-shirt has not been delivered.

>It's sort of .. sick to see .. most of you are defending a company that has lied and deceived
> most of you so please..

Would that be Genesi or Amiga. Both have done their share… It’s a business and everyone has their spin.

> And if genesi picks up the company and the brand, maybe you will finally see some results,
> remember who has produced a product and who hasnt.

I think you have to remember that Genesi's project started before 4.0 did. In any case, this would be the worst case scenario. Bad for Genesi and Amiga OS. What would be the point of having two OSs with the name Amiga (A 4.0 and MorpOs)? It would cheapen the name.
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Posted by Mike Rotch on 03-May-2003 17:08 GMT
@samface

I wondered where you was, now please tell us the court documentation is lies, as a cheerleader you still continue to defend fraud and praise Amiga Inc even though legal documents are available to anyone now which exposes Amiga Inc as liars and fraudsters.

Please worshipers show us how your hero company is innocent. you can not, Amiga Inc are guilty as sin and people like yourself who get a hard penis over them are exposed as liars aswell, now ask your heroes for a job in the Amiga Inc scammers department.
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Posted by AmigaGuy on 03-May-2003 17:12 GMT
@Jubal

Wasn't the deal to purchase something before you get your $50 back? Did you purchase anything? The legal system here here in the US does to some screwed up stuff somtimes, but if you never bought anything how can you resonably expect to be reimbursed for your coupon?

What if you had some coupons and went into a store and demanded they give you the value of the coupon with out purchasing anything.

Do you really think you could go into court and say, "I had a $1 off coupon for some Bread, but they wouldn't give me my $1"

Lawyer, "Did you purchase any Bread?"

You, "No! What for!!!! I just wanted my frickin' $1!!"

The sad thing is even if the above scenario was true, there's no doubt you could find a lawyer here to take on case. :)

AmigaGuy
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Posted by Colin Camper on 03-May-2003 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Tony):
Ha ha! You axis of evil people really make me laugh. :-)

Just because A1/OS4 is having some good news you;

Makeup bullshit about CEO's.
Stir up shit about chipset fixes.
Try to make out that the $50 coupons are the biggest crime against humanity since Pol Pot.
And when you realise that people in this community know who you are and what you're about you resort to infantile insults and language.

I hope noone on this topic actually believes in the 'lawyer' and 'class action' crap - get a grip - you must be the kind of people who fall for those 'Nigerian money up front' scams.

All this is rather amusing and passes the time of day... :-)
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 88 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Colin Camper on 03-May-2003 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Mike Rotch):
'Amiga Inc are guilty as sin and people like yourself who get a hard penis over them are exposed as liars aswell'

Have you actually reached puberty yet?
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 89 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by jubal on 03-May-2003 17:24 GMT
I didn't plan on responding to any forum posts, but I didn't anticipate such a reaction, so I guess I should try to answer the questions where I can.

1) Why just the Club, Why not the Party Pack?

I only requested Club members because I already have a list of Party Pack customers. I had no way of obtaining a list of Club members however. Party Pack purchases are included. You may send an email if you wish.

2) Why are you so concerned about $50?

For me, and I suspect others, it was much more than $50. For me personally, it was (quite foolishly) $550.00

3) I didn't recieve anything, but I don't wan't to be involved in this! I don't like it!

Don't send an email,

4) I wan't to try to stop you with legal action!

You're going to need to gather a list of Club members and Party Pack customers who recieved their refunds, and everything else that was promised, then contact Amiga.

5) Why the timing?

Because other creditors are lining up, and I believe the customers should get their money back first, before the other creditors.

6) Why are you doing this when the lawyers will get most of our money?

If Amiga can be shown to be negligent in the handling of the issues, then the costs involved are their costs, not ours. Given that this is more than a one time thing, this is very likely.

7) I want them to keep the money, I want to support the developers!

That's very noble of you, but the best way to support developers is to purchase software from developers. Take it from me, I learned the hard way.

8) What do you mean we won't get "product"?

T-shirts. We arn't asking for T-shirts. We just want the money refunded, so that we may use it to purchase AmigaOS4 and an AmigaOne without having to mail a coupon we never got to an address that doesn't exist to get the refund.

9) Arn't you just trying to hurt Amiga?

No, I want nothing more than what they OWE us. Nothing more.

10) Did Bill Buck make you do this?

Give me a break already.

11) Doesn't Bill Buck benefit from this?

No. Amiga benefits from this. Everyone hast lost money they set aside to purchase an AmigaOne/OS4, now we may actually use that money to purchase an AmigaOne/OS4 rather than just losing that money outright. Those of us who payed for this coupon are those of us who chose "Amiga" not Pegasos, so no this doesn't help Bill Buck.

12) But i will not be part of this, when things are looking brighter than ever!

We're not trying to shut Amiga down, kill AmigaOS or the AmigaOne (In fact, we want this money back so that we may BUY them!) We just want our money back. There is nothing wrong with this at all.

13) Im guessing that jubalharshaw1973@yahoo.com isn't your main mailaccount? Why don't you give us your real name?

For the same reason the customer list isn't public. In court everything will be exposed, but I'm not making names public, and I encourage disposable email addresses. The reasons should be obvious the way everyone attacks everyone around here. If you're not involved in the case, you have no right to know who is.

14) Iguessing the latest "member" who joined the Amiga Club a few days ago maybe will volunteer
for this mission, also guessing this is what he signed up to do!

Would be a pretty silly "Class Action" suit with only one plaintif, don't you think?

15) Amiga Inc are liars, theives and deserve no respect.

We don't share that attitude, we just want things made right. It's a very reasonable request.
We are Amigans. That's why we bought into this *IN GOOD FAITH* in the first place.
We continue, in good faith, to be Amigans.
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Posted by Ian Shurmer on 03-May-2003 17:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (jubal):
So, are you saying that you dont want to mail off the coupon, you want a refund instead? (No flame, just a question!)

Ian
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Posted by T_Bone on 03-May-2003 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Ian Shurmer):
Heh, mail it where?
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Posted by Ian Shurmer on 03-May-2003 17:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (T_Bone):
:-) well that's fair enough, but the phrasing seems to be that they haven't TRIED to claim the money back yet, and don't want to try to claim the money back. Surely it's not possible to sue unless A. Inc refuse to rebate the $50?!

Ian
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Posted by catohagen on 03-May-2003 17:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (jubal):
>For me, and I suspect others, it was much more than $50. For me personally, it >was (quite foolishly) $550.00

wow..either you have a very mad/bad mouse of did you buy like 11 Club memberships ? :)
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Posted by Kelly Samel on 03-May-2003 17:46 GMT
I think it's time individuals and companies start taking
responsibility for their own actions instead of pointing
the finger and laying blame where it is not deserved.
Amiga Inc. have taken their own actions and there will be
results from that. I don't believe Bill McEwen, Gary Peake and
the others intended to be malicous towards the Amiga users, I found
them to be friendly and personal to deal with. But their actions
speak louder than words in this case and after 3 years of in-action
and negligence people are ready for something new.

Support Genesi and support Hyperion/Eyetech these
are the people that know what the Amiga spirit is about and have the
communities interests in mind...
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 95 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by AmigaGuy on 03-May-2003 17:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (T_Bone):
Maybe when he actually buys something. "They" will give him the address.

or

Mayabe IF he actually BUYS somthing and IF at that point "They" refuse to honor the coupon. then maybe he'll ACTUALLY have a lawsuit.

Look, I'm not trying to be PRO this company or NEGATIVE that company with this comment but the fact is you can't sue someone because you "THINK" they aren't going to live up to an aggrement when in fact YOU yourself hasn't lived up to the first part of the aggrement.

Well, that's not a fact I guess as you CAN sue them it's just probably isn't going to get you anywhere.
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 96 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 03-May-2003 17:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (jubal):
As for point 7, I'd rather have people buy the coupons than have them buy the products we've made so far. It's better in the long run for the Amiga market.

Besides that I'd like to point out a couple of things.

First of all, what you bought was a lifetime membership of Club Amiga. Secondly you got the rights to 50$ off your purchase of AmigaOne/AmigaOS 4 (obviously the finished products).
Besides that you're getting fringe benefits, such as Club Amiga Magazine, and supposedly in due time the much debated t-shirts.

The fact that you (for some reason or other) decided to spend 500+$ this way - something I can't quite understand - is, well, sad. At least if you were never to receive them back.
However, as the products aren't out yet (but hopefully soon will be) there is no reason for this suit.
I also believe there is no basis for it.

*You* chose to do this, knowing that there was *no* set release date for AmigaOS 4/AmigaOne, and now you complain?

And before you anti-cheerleader types get going: Here, have a look at my finger. Sit on it, spin on it.
I'm not a cheerleader of *anything*. I don't approve of everything Amiga Inc. has done - nor every part of their policy, but they have never given me reason to believe the words of a competitor over theirs.
I do have other reasons for not believing what the other side says (especially because the same kind of rumours have been going around in that camp since.. oh, 2000 - always the same).
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 97 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 03-May-2003 17:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (AmigaGuy):
Yeh thats my point exactly - well said.

Ian
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 98 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by AmigaGuy on 03-May-2003 17:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (jubal):
$550 ??

Does this mean you were planning on buying 11 AmigaOne/AmigaOS 4 combos?? In my book you're rich so I wouldn't think even $550 would matter to you.

AmigaGuy
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 99 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 03-May-2003 18:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (AmigaGuy):
Don't forget the partypacks were $100
Preliminary Class Action Request for Information. - Amiga Inc : Comment 100 of 232ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 03-May-2003 18:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
Your forgetting the initial suckers who went for the $50 deal was for a raffle of a trip to Hawaii, T-Shirt, and a $50 rebate coupon on either a A1 or OS4. Amiga Inc had 30 days, by US Law to get those things out. Now a year later, nothing and they changed it to a "club" which does not solve those who orginally coughed up the $50 for other reasons. Not only that, they have no offices which is a violation of WA State law for companies, they are continue to advertise, knownly false, their old office address.

I wish I had coughed up the $50 now, I could be screaming to the Federal Government for a full blown criminal investigation of Amiga Inc and it's executive officers for mail fraud.

Dammy
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