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[News] OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*-ANN.lu
Posted on 05-May-2003 17:20 GMT by Raffaele28 comments
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From the 1st May 2003 the new release of Open Source Unix Operative System OpenBSD is available. Sad to know that after version 3.2 the Amiga Version was discontinued... Amiga OpenBSD Site.
If you want to let Amiga OpenBSD revive by maintaing it by yourself, then contact Niklas Hallqvist at Amiga OpenBSD site!!! The distribution 3.3 contains also:

XFree86 4.2.1
Gcc 2.95.3 (+ patches)
Perl 5.8.0 (+ patches)
Apache 1.3.27, mod_ssl 2.8.12, DSO support (+ patches)
OpenSSL 0.9.7beta3 (+ patches)
Groff 1.15
Sendmail 8.12.9
Bind 9.2.2 (+ patches)
Lynx 2.8.2rel.1 with HTTPS support added (+ patches)
Sudo 1.6.7
Ncurses 5.2
Latest KAME IPv6
KTH Kerberos 1.1.1
Heimdal 0.4e (+ patches)
OpenSSH 3.6


As I stated before:
If you want to let Amiga OpenBSD revive by maintaing it by yourself, then contact Niklas Hallqvist at Amiga OpenBSD site.
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 1 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 05-May-2003 15:25 GMT
Ah... I forgot to mention that people at OpenBSD want to delete it all (included code) from the tree.

I think this is offensive for an historical port which contributed intensively to the developing and the success of this OS.

Ciao,

Raffaele
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 2 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Xeyes on 05-May-2003 16:15 GMT
Linux zealot: "BSD is Dying!!!"

OpenBSD zealot: "Amiga is Dying!!!"
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 3 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 05-May-2003 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Xeyes):
I wonder what their position on Pegasos/MorphOS is?
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 4 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 05-May-2003 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Darth_X):
Ehm... Sorry but do you have to drag EVERY thread to the same *FUCKING FLAMEWAR*?
WHAT are you thinking!?
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 5 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 05-May-2003 17:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Darth_X):
IIRC Bill mentioned that all the os teams in their sorta supported oses list(OpenBeos,Debian,etc) had a pegasos and that an OpenBSD port is being developed/is working.

Also IIRC the OpenBSD/PPC stuff was lagging behind i386, Genesi's support should help although I would think Genesi is supporting OpenBSD for the server market really, because it lacks things which people expect from say linux e.g. DRI.
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 6 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 05-May-2003 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Shh, just a normal question...
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 7 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-May-2003 21:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Raffaele):
"I think this is offensive for an historical port which contributed intensively to the developing and the success of this OS."

Huh? What planet are you from?
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 8 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 05-May-2003 22:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
From my little software development experience I know that developing across different platforms and or different compilers helps to find out bugs, improve the code etc.
From an OS perpective it may also help for drivers development and so on.
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 9 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Iggy Drougge on 06-May-2003 01:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (corpse):
There is actually a new security feature in v3.3. which only works on PPC and Alpha as of yet. And I've seen people praise their PowerMac support, so it can't be all that bad.
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 10 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-May-2003 02:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Calm down and take some blue pills, Alkis!
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 11 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 06-May-2003 07:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Darth_X):
Mr. Dart_X wrote:

>I wonder what their position on Pegasos/MorphOS is?

There was been no PPC project for the Amiga PPC cards in Amiga OpenBSD as you can see from their site.

So don't hope for a Morphos version of OpenBSD.

It will take place only by the interest and the efforts of Genesi people I think...

Ciao,

Raffaele
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 12 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 06-May-2003 07:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Christophe Decanini):
Christophe you wrote:

>From my little software development experience I know that developing across different platforms and or different compilers helps to find out bugs, improve the code etc.
>From an OS perpective it may also help for drivers development and so on.

And you forgot to mention: «different portings Increase the acceptance to the public!»

Let's forget the Anonymous!

He deserves not an answer, even if an answer from another planet.

Ciao,

Raffaele
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 13 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 06-May-2003 09:35 GMT
Now, be honest - who of you actually used NetBSD on an Amiga anyway?
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 14 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Jaeson Koszarsky on 06-May-2003 10:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Raffaele):
>>I think this is offensive for an historical port which contributed intensively to the developing and the success of this OS.

Even if it's present use is diminished, it is worthwhile to preserve the code & information somewhere. Recently, I've been trying to track down ANY developer information for MacroSystems DraCo Vision & MovieShop but no one seems to have saved anything in this regard which is unfortunate. You never know when someone might find the information useful.

Jaeson K.
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 15 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by minator on 06-May-2003 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Raffaele):
>There was been no PPC project for the Amiga PPC cards in Amiga OpenBSD
>as you can see from their site.
>
>So don't hope for a Morphos version of OpenBSD.

A MorphOS version of OpenBSD??? don't know about that

...but the Pegasos version is coming along fine :-)
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 16 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 06-May-2003 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Iggy Drougge):
" There is actually a new security feature in v3.3. which only works on PPC and Alpha as of yet. And I've seen people praise their PowerMac support, so it can't be all that bad."

Freebsd's support of ppc isn't very good IIRC probably because of the small ppc user base :\

It'd be interesting to see darwin running on the pegasos. then maybe some naughtyness could be done to get osx running :)
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 17 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 06-May-2003 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Jaeson Koszarsky):
Doing OT myself.

Do you have any project for vlabmotion / Movieshop ?
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 18 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-May-2003 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (XraalE):
I did use NetBSD on an Amiga before I started to use Debian linux on an Amiga.
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 19 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by amighista on 06-May-2003 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Raffaele):
so, let's create another BSD.... ;-)
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 20 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 06-May-2003 19:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (minator):
Mr. Minator wrote in answer to a statement of mine:

R > There was been no PPC project for the Amiga PPC cards in Amiga OpenBSD
R > as you can see from their site.
R >
R > So don't hope for a Morphos version of OpenBSD.

M > A MorphOS version of OpenBSD??? don't know about that
M >
M > ...but the Pegasos version is coming along fine :-)

Whoops I made a typo... I intended Pegasos, but I answered directly to a person talking of Morphos instead of Pegasos as you can read...

By the way, regarding lack of OpenBSD for PPC Amigas, I was talking about the current projects of the people of Amiga OpenBSD people which actually don't involve PPC in any way, whatever is the PPC platform to run for...

At least these are the news on their site...

If you came from Amiga OpenBSD team, then it is a pleasure to be enlightned by you of some good news regarding Amiga PPC porting of OpenBSD, even on Pegasos.

BUT as I stated before, all projects involving Pegasos and porting of other OSes on Pegasos are exclusive care of people developing for it...

...and not the current team at Amiga OpenBSD site...
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 21 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Xeyes on 06-May-2003 20:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (amighista):
> So let's create a new BSD :)

Don't laugh... there's been talk of forking FreeBSD to create GnuBSD, yes, that's right, a GNU fork of FreeBSD licensed under the GNU GPL.
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 22 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Iggy Drougge on 07-May-2003 04:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (corpse):
I wasn't referring to FreeBSD, but to OpenBSD. Different beasts, and the latter, being derived from NetBSD, has been ported to a lot more platforms, since a long time. FreeBSD doesn't care much for anything but x86.
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 23 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Iggy Drougge on 07-May-2003 05:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (XraalE):
NetBSD is alive and well on the Amiga, unlike OpenBSD.
For someone who's really into running NetBSD on his Amigas, look at http://www.sixgirls.org/reva.html or http://www.sixgirls.org/lilith/ .
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 24 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 07-May-2003 09:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Iggy Drougge):
"I wasn't referring to FreeBSD, but to OpenBSD. Different beasts, and the latter, being derived from NetBSD, has been ported to a lot more platforms, since a long time. FreeBSD doesn't care much for anything but x86."

I was adding more to the Amiga & PPC bsd boiling pot :), IIRC none of the BSD's used to be too hot on ppc which is disheartening as Linux is *everywhere* and it had a very none portable code base originally :\

Maybe its just something about the BSD's .. I used freebsd for about a week but got fed up with the mostly 14 year old userbase ;) I used openbsd for months on my main machine, and then discovered theres no 3d accleration :(, So I'm a linux whore again now ;)

HURD could be another interesting Os/Kernel for the pegasos come to think of it :)
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 25 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-May-2003 10:32 GMT
I just would like to have Mediator driver for the Linux... I have not used Debian since I bought Mediator because there is no drivers for it.
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 26 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by gfx on 07-May-2003 14:25 GMT
Be realistic guys, the fastest amiga has a 50MHz '060 processor.

For the same price I paid for my amiga 500 in 1987 I can get
something x86 based which has at least a 200x higher clockspeed 500x
the available ram, even the vidocard has 64x the amount of chipram
and get a CDRW and a 40GB harddisk instead of the 800kb floppy.

Even higher speced 486's are were thrashed years ago.

Grow up buy some new stuff kit's good for the economy :-)
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 27 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 07-May-2003 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (gfx):
Gfx wrote:

>Be realistic guys, the fastest amiga has a 50MHz '060 processor.
>
>{...]
>Even higher speced 486's are were thrashed years ago.

What a pity...

With Qnx installed on them everyone could still use it as professional machines
showing what is the pumping horse-power ***OF A REAL OS***, with multitasking and speed.

>Grow up buy some new stuff kit's good for the economy :-)

Yep, I will buy an AmigaOne or a Pegasos...

1) ...and this will be good for the economy,

:-)

2) for the plurality of voices into the world of Information Technology,
increasing the number of competitors (which also helps market and democracy),

;-)))))

and also

3) to go towards a different and brighter future for the world of IT by steering from the hole-pit caused by the Windows Grand Canyon...

;-))))))))))

Bye,

Raffaele
OpenBSD v. 3.3 released -*NO MORE AMIGA*- : Comment 28 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Iggy Drougge on 08-May-2003 03:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (corpse):
Does make you wonder, doesn't it? The only thing which makes Linux ported all over the place is the Linux name. OTOH, the first Linux port was for the Amiga, which once again makes it an "important historical platform". ;-)
But really, the NetBSD PPC developers are always busy porting it to new targets.
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