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[News] AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH?ANN.lu
Posted on 08-May-2003 13:14 GMT by Troels Ersking126 comments
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According to news at PPCNUX.DE, KDH Datentechnik have recieved 300% more orders on the AmigaOne than on Pegasos. Read the short news here.
Impressive as the sale will get another boost when OS4 is released.

Would have been nice to see some exact numbers but I guess only Eyetech, KDH and BBRV knows these.
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 1 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 08-May-2003 11:25 GMT
Interesting..... interesting....

Add your sarcastic comments after the line

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AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 2 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 08-May-2003 11:30 GMT
This is only 1 retailer, and the vast majority of Pegasos owners ordered them direct from Genesi rather than through a re-seller anyway.
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 3 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-May-2003 11:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (DaveP):
> ------------------

Cool, they have sold 3 IOU coupons for Teron boards, but only 1 discontinued Pegasos I that was left in stock.

How's that? ;-)

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Below that, there's marketing and zealot flame wars.
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 4 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 08-May-2003 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (DaveP):
Well.. on their own page pegasos is #4 on their bestseller list.. Aone is not even on top 10... http://www.kdh-shop24.de/catalog/default.php

So, it all depends on how one looks all news (and also how much Background info one has):)
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 5 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 08-May-2003 11:37 GMT
Now image the sales figure after the release of the AmigaOS4.0
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 6 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-May-2003 11:37 GMT
More AmigaOne's Orders. But delivery?

Pegasos is delivered on time! Not so with A1...
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 7 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-May-2003 11:47 GMT
I'll wait for A1XE & OS4 combination, and luckily I'm not the only one :-)
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 8 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by marcik on 08-May-2003 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (DaveP):
Here you are:

They sold 1 Pegasos i 3 AmigaONEs

Happy? ;)
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 9 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-May-2003 11:59 GMT
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Pegasos $299 offer (which also covers the biggest part of all Pegasos manufactured this far) only available through Phoenix and Genesi directly? Not that this matters, but ...
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 10 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 08-May-2003 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
Don't try to rewrite history--the Pegasos was delayed at least as much as
the AmigaOne. (Hint: they both use the Articia chipset.)
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 11 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 08-May-2003 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (ehaines):
...And only one still uses it. :)
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 12 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 08-May-2003 12:08 GMT
Silly, completely silly!!
Also, in my house there is 1 Pegasos and NO Amigaone. Does that mean the Pegasos has sold 100% more than the Amigaone? No;-)

Gensi has given hard sales figures, Eyetech has not. Anything said is pure speculation.
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 13 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Rox on 08-May-2003 12:13 GMT
Book another A1 for me! ...and bytheway one Pegasos for my dog!
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 14 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-May-2003 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (redrumloa):
Heh. :-)

In other news (this is modded to "News" after all), Bubba's Computer Shack sold 1000% more Fujitsu harddrives than Maxtor drives. Let's congratulate Fujitsu to their new-found market domination. Now, let's debate what Maxtor did wrong. When will they file for bankruptcy?
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 15 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by bigben on 08-May-2003 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
>More AmigaOne's Orders. But delivery?

>Pegasos is delivered on time! Not so with A1...

hehe, 1 year after the announcement of early 2002.

Bm.
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 16 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 08-May-2003 12:18 GMT
Guess they are going to se some thing they never seine before, the Amiga market is staved of Amiga computers, and the OS is old and outdated, now this tow things are fixed well I bet first it going be lots of die hard users running to by one the pre orders, then the ones how don’t need an Amiga butt have interest in that direction and the finally we market recognise the existents of the Amiga. Lots of old 68k programs need to be updated and converted to AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS, one geek tool to convert is RAMOS runtime module.
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 17 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 08-May-2003 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Rox):
Hi, from the latest Pegasos production we sent 15 Pegasos machines to KDH, 81 to Vesalia, 18 to eFUNzine, 34 to Computer City, 30 to APS, 10 to Relec, and 30 to GGSData.

We also sent boards to new Amiga Resellers such as 20 to Pegasos-UK and 10 to Boing Inc.

All the rest were sold through Pegasos-USA, given to Developers or exchanged with Betatester buyers.

The are slightly more than 600 Pegasos users world wide. We will have a small number of boards available again the week after next, but that will be all until the Pegasos II.

Sincerely,

Raquel and Bill
Genesi
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 18 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by dude on 08-May-2003 12:36 GMT
What is the meaning of making those small batches over and over...?
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 19 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 08-May-2003 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (bbrv):
Well, in that case there's no wonder KDH already has 3 times as many orders for AmigaOnes...

Hmm, has there been an estimated time of release for the Peg II, and what more than northbridge supplier is publically known? Like you might have discovered, I have a bit of an interest in PPC hardware. Of course, I just barely avoided buying a dual Opteron system today. Still not known if I will avoid it tomorrow :-) (not too expensive, REALLY excellent specs. Gotta try it out sooner or later)
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 20 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by dude on 08-May-2003 12:38 GMT
...and can I be sure if I buy Pegasos there'll be spare parts and service available if board suddenly dies?
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 21 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Anon on 08-May-2003 12:50 GMT
6 AOne versus 2 PegOS is 300% better. But, statistically they're both zero.
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 22 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 08-May-2003 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ole-Egil):
>Hmm, has there been an estimated time of release for the Peg II

September 2003 was the last given date. There *might* be a prototype shown at
the AmiWest show (I guess that does also depend on who from Genesi will attend)
in July. As I said in another thread. This AmiWest 2003 show will be very
interesting with OS4 being announced for summer and therefore (just my guess)
also being demoed on the AmigaOne and the PegasosII with MorphOS.
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 23 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 08-May-2003 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (redrumloa):
I got no Pegasos nor Amigaone at home: what does it means ? ;)

Leo.
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 24 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 08-May-2003 12:54 GMT
Maybe the most important element is the fact that the Pegasos is available with its own OS, dev tools and that a community of developers is slowly growing around it.

The fact that the Amiga One has still no OS (and the release date is still unknown and uncertain) allows the Pegasos to win some yards and some more interest outside the Amiga "community".

Dev + games + demos for the Pegasos could be the equation of the success.
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 25 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 08-May-2003 12:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Ben Yoris):
So you think an Amiga-a-like OS will gain interest outside the community
over and above Linux ( which is an OS Ben despite what you and others seem
to try and make out for your own reasons - and a far superior one to AmigaOS in 99 respects out of 100 )?

Dream on!
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 26 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 08-May-2003 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Pretty close to what I was expecting ;-)
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 27 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 08-May-2003 13:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (JoannaK):
....and from what working week/month those figures were from....
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 28 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 08-May-2003 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (DaveP):
Well.. it's matter of news article poster to check those. All I can see is that it's not on their hot-selling list yet. May well be some day.
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 29 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 08-May-2003 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (JoannaK):
Maybe they update their list whenever Bill McEwan posts an executive update....

;-P
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 30 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 08-May-2003 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (DaveP):
>So you think an Amiga-a-like OS will gain interest outside the community
>over and above Linux ( which is an OS Ben despite what y....

If I wanted Linux, PPC wouldn't even be considered.
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 31 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 08-May-2003 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (DaveP):
>....and from what working week/month those figures were from....

The numbers are current numbers including preorders.
(http://www.ppcnux.de/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1542)
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 32 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 08-May-2003 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Lando):
Kind of like most AmigaOne customers too, then. :-P
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 33 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-May-2003 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (bbrv):
> We will have a small number of boards available again the week after next,
> but that will be all until the Pegasos II.

Is there still a possibility that the Pegasos1 will be manufactured by others?

In February you wrote:
"We will most likely license the board design with the new Articia (if it works as it should) to another manufacturer - like Plexuscom for example."

So, has any deal been made? It would be really nice to have a computer like this in the stereo rack next to the TV:

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album01&id=PegasosPPC_STB

:-)
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 34 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-May-2003 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (samface):
>> the vast majority of Pegasos owners ordered them direct from Genesi rather
>> than through a re-seller anyway.

> Kind of like most AmigaOne customers too, then. :-P

From Genesi? :-P
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 35 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 08-May-2003 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (takemehomegrandma):
Smartass! ;-)
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 36 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 08-May-2003 14:13 GMT
Even if these figures might not be statistically correct (I don't know), would it
be such a big surprise if AOne (bought to run a future AOS4 as far as most are
concerned), outsold Pegasos? For all the benefits of MOS-Pegasos, it IS after all
still a clique in the clique that is the Amiga market. Not to mention that many
people using MOS is interested in AOS4 as well. I find it quite logical and is not
surprised at all that the official solution (the "name" if those of you fond of
that kind of rhetoric) would dominate sales-wise in our little computer world.
.
SlimJim
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 37 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-May-2003 14:47 GMT
I think it's sad
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 38 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-May-2003 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (SlimJim):
The Pegasos 1 would have sold more than 600 units if more units would have been available.
MorphOS has never been tested by most of the Amiga users. Most of the people who got a Pegasos have been either tempted while discovering MorphOS at demos/shows or while visiting friends.
Now that these 600 systems are being used several Pegasos users friends would like to get one, but since they have been told that a Pegasos 2 is coming they are in standby mode.
The situation for the Amigaone is different.
There are the users who had enough to wait and got the AmigaOne even if there is no OS4 yet, there are the one waiting for OS4 to be released, and the one that will stay on power up HW or classic.
A few users will get the two systems.

Anyway I don't see a major change into this niche market until we have decent modern applications and have a chance to keep up with recent hardware.
The effort to bring these platforms is a great chance for us but it has to move ahead very quick or will be to little to late.
I'm sure both Genesi and Hyperion/Eyetech do everything possible to get there. They will need to get big contracts outside this desktop niche market to do so.
To get some success with desktop users it will require that the Amiga community focus on getting all potential interested developers/users on the platform and stop useless fights on websites forums which make potential users going away.
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 39 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 08-May-2003 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (mahen):
> I think it's sad

Why is that so!?
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 40 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 08-May-2003 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Christophe Decanini):
"To get some success with desktop users it will require that the Amiga community focus on getting all potential interested developers/users on the platform and stop useless fights on websites forums which make potential users going away."

Amen
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 41 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-May-2003 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (pixie):
The split, A1 owners without OS4 constrained to use Linux (!!!), fewer A1s and fewer Pegasos'es as planned because of the articia bugs, fewers users because of the community split, late OS'es b/c of the split etc...

As C.D. said, there would be more Pegasos'es sold if more had been produced :) currently sold out...

etc etc
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 42 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 08-May-2003 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (mahen):
But their joy willbe far greater! ;) You can't feel real joy without first feeling real pain...
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 43 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 08-May-2003 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (DaveP):
> So you think an Amiga-a-like OS will gain interest outside the community
> over and above Linux ( which is an OS Ben despite what you and others seem
> to try and make out for your own reasons - and a far superior one to AmigaOS in
> 99 respects out of 100 )?

LOL :) And when did he say all that?!

> Dream on!

It looks like the deaming one it's not him!
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 44 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-May-2003 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (pixie):
I hope so !

(how true btw)
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 45 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 08-May-2003 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Ben Yoris):
"The fact that the Amiga One has still no OS (and the release date is still unknown and uncertain) allows the Pegasos to win some yards and some more interest outside the Amiga "community"."

And despite all this it menages to sell more boards (at least in this shop) then Pegasos, make us think...
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 46 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-May-2003 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (pixie):
that people are crazy ;)
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 47 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 08-May-2003 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (mahen):
These people have a dream... and MorphOS doesn't yet have that killer app it needs, neither differentiates enough from 'tha real thing'(tm), so most people, I assume, don’t mind to wait…
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 48 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-May-2003 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (pixie):
anyway, they can just wait as pegasos'es are currently sold out.

But why purchase an A1 now ? OS4 is not even ready for classic PPC amigas...

MorphOS IS the killer app : it's an AOS similar & compatible & CURRENTLY WORKING OS.

But anyway, people have to wait, as usual...


Sorry, off topic !!!!
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 49 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 08-May-2003 15:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (mahen):
UAE or at a further extent Amithlon, also does the same that currently MorphOS does, they both run AmigaOS application really fast... but one is free and albeit the other isn't, for most would be a lot cheaper then buy a pegasos run toy stuff.
AmigaOne outselling Pegasos at KDH? : Comment 50 of 126ANN.lu
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