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Posted on 09-May-2003 13:33 GMT by Cerpheus11 comments
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As you might know, there seem to be a bunch of people in the Linux community who have a problem with Racer not being GPL'ed. This might be a good time to take a crossroads. I plan to release the Racer v0.5.0 source code under GPL. I don't think I'll host that version after that, since we don't have that much bandwidth and would take time that I'd rather put in other things. As you might know, there seem to be a bunch of people in the Linux community who have a problem with Racer not being GPL'ed. This might be a good time to take a crossroads. I plan to release the Racer v0.5.0 source code under GPL. I don't think I'll host that version after that, since we don't have that much bandwidth and would take time that I'd rather put in other things. After the GPL release, I'll close the source for future versions. This does not have any impact on the strategy of Racer, which means a free executable version for the platforms (although I still have the problem of DRI executables for Linux, since I don't have such a set in my possession). There are plans for commercial implementations using Racer, and you may have noticed things like 'ecol' or 'ecue'. Those are proprietary extensions. Probably RakNet (a quite cool networking library) will enter the game as well. It becomes harder to get clean source code out the door, free of rights. Also, since the multiplayer component might take a bit of a boost with RakNet (at least take out the 2-player limit at once), it would be too easy for hackers to create modified versions of Racer and find their way through the network protocol. Although I'm sorry for all those interested in the source code, it seems like the right path. There's always the GPL spinoff that could be maintained. I'm not sure how that's going to turn out; I'm getting major support these days in putting realism and knowledge into Racer's physics and that is interesting for anyone. The 2 Racer version will drift apart, that's for sure, if only because of the networking protocols, I'm afraid. I'm not convinced however that a GPL spinoff (with which I will have little to do) will go to bigger heights than a closed source one. Even though it potentially means more developers, it still takes a lot of devotion to make stable improved versions without hacking little bits in just for the day. So with the GPL version you'd have OpenSource, but no license to commercially sell it. It just still seems a bit counterproductive almost to split the project into two. Comments will be read with interest, although with these things I can imagine you'll have 2 groups; those that are for and those that are against, and nothing much will bring the 2 together.
Racer source code will be published : Comment 1 of 11ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-May-2003 12:23 GMT
GPL nazis again... :P
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Posted by Cerpheus on 09-May-2003 12:26 GMT
this is a statement from Rud van Gaal, I pasted it from a forum. :)
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 09-May-2003 13:58 GMT
You know what? if i wrote non-GPL linux programs, and people got all shirty about it, i'd tell them where to shove it.

Silly arses.
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-May-2003 14:17 GMT
Don't GPL it unless you mean it. Once GPL, everyone and his dog has entitlement to see the source for everything that will ever be made that is in any way based on it. (Stupid, IMHO). Maybe the LGPL would be better.

BTW, what the hell is Racer??
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Posted by Kjetil on 09-May-2003 14:56 GMT
I hate OSI (Open Source Initiative) they are bunch of bullies, if you ask me, they hate FreeSoftwere they hate PublicDomain, and they are forcing there view on every one else.
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-May-2003 16:49 GMT
I expect the GPL'd version will thrive and other versions will die, but it will be interesting to find out for real, assuming this actually happens.

BTW The Racer source is already available, it's just that the current licensing terms aren't Debian Free / OSI compliant.
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Posted by Cerpheus on 09-May-2003 18:20 GMT
Racer is a non-commercial racing simulation, see it here: www.racer.nl
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Posted by Per L on 09-May-2003 22:19 GMT
Uhm... I'm sorry, but why is this Amiga news?

@Kjetil
Don't confuse the OSI with FSF. They are very different entities, with very different goals. And how, exactly, are they bullies?

@PeterGordon
It seems like he wanted Racer included with Debian. Well, either you make it free, or don't have it included. You can't have it both ways. Nobody's forcing him to GNU GPL it.
Racer source code will be published : Comment 9 of 11ANN.lu
Posted by Rodney McDoenll on 09-May-2003 22:28 GMT
Whats wrong with the MIT or BSD licence?
Racer source code will be published : Comment 10 of 11ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-May-2003 03:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Rodney McDoenll):
Not very much. Nothing of practical consequence to most users or developers. If you want details, read Debian-legal and/or go to law school and specialise in international intellectual property law.

Oh, but stay away from 4-clause BSD. The advertising clause is amusing when it happens to other people (NCSA Mosaic still mentioned in every copy of MS Internet Explorer, all these years later) but not when it happens to you (first full page advert for your cool product is swallowed up with 40 lines of product & trademark acknowledgements)
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Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 10-May-2003 21:32 GMT
Some GPL-fanatics have a problem with you not releasing the source under GPL - so what ? I'd not loose any sleep on that. Do they have a right on getting every
Linux-Project under GPL ? No.

In your place I'd just use another NICE OpenSource licence, like for example the
BSD-licence... this licence would still make the source available to interested developers, while on the other hand the source-code would stay un-infected by "the virus".

There are more ways to OpenSource than GPL :) (Including also the LGPL also from
FSF which is better than the GPL despite the FSF claiming it would be the
other way round in their FAQ :) )

Steffen
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