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[News] Webb.it report with photos online at QuantumLeap site.ANN.lu
Posted on 11-May-2003 15:57 GMT by Francesco Z. / zetaeffe31 comments
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A short report from Webb.it with pics of AmigaOne and OS4 demo has been put online at the QuantumLeap site: http://ql.programmazione.it Click on the Italian flag: the article is in both Italian and English (English text in yellow). Happy reading ;-)
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Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 11-May-2003 15:57 GMT
http://ql.programmazione.it/it/news/162/pic/usb_insp.jpg

The system menu on that picture, looks great indeed.
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Posted by Don Cox on 11-May-2003 16:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Lasse Bodilsen):
"The system menu on that picture, looks great indeed."

I think it would be easier to read, and therefore faster to use, if it was not translucent. Any reduction in contrast makes text harder to read (unless you are severely dyslexic).

Fortunately it is only an option - I hope it will not be the default.
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-May-2003 16:06 GMT
The English version of this site has not been updated
in a long time! Really confusing...

Check the italian one instead.
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-May-2003 16:13 GMT
There are some nice pics of OS4 components on that report.

Here is an URL that directly links to the exhibition report:
http://ql.programmazione.it/articolo.asp?id=162&type=news&lang=it
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Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 11-May-2003 19:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Don Cox):
"I think it would be easier to read, and therefore faster to use, if it was not translucent. Any reduction in contrast makes text harder to read (unless you are severely dyslexic).

Fortunately it is only an option - I hope it will not be the default."

Well, it's not only the translucent look, but the overall look of all the effects compined that makes great Eyecandy :-)

Notice the Indented look of the "Workbench" Tab for the menu, the extruded look of the selected item, The rounded corners, The black outline border, The Alpha blended dropshadow, The textured and still transulcent backdrop. It all combined makes it look really Nice!

Btw: did anyone else notice the drawer called 'Kickstart' in the bottom of the picture.

And i have a question for Hyperion to answer: Is the icons still limited to 256 colors?, or can we do 15,16 and 24bit icons as well?. If not, please make it so for OS4.2 :-)

(Yes, I simply Love eyecandy, it makes me wanna use the desktop. I know others might prefer funcionality to looks, but thats not me :-) )
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Posted by Troels Ersking on 11-May-2003 19:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Lasse Bodilsen):
"I know others might prefer funcionality to looks, but thats not me :-)"

Why not have both :-) ?

I agree that it looks very nice. Really looking forward to give it a try whenever it's released.
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Posted by zetaeffe on 11-May-2003 19:32 GMT
Just wanted to add that it was just a quick report to show some pics
of OS4 and AmigaOne that was asked to put online.
Have to say that OS4 and AmigaOne were not the only products there:
there was also a Pegasos running MorphOS taken there by Elena Novaretti
that was more than available to show it.
There were also many other products such as PCI expansion boards, USB
boards and so on...
I had no intention to let MorphOS/Pegasos in the dark, just didn't have
pics.

Bye
Francesco
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Posted by Atheist2 on 11-May-2003 20:00 GMT
What's with all the flesh colour?

Reminds me of that episode of "The Ripping Friends" with Man Man and Boy Boy. That's the first thing I'm changing. Otherwise, I'm tickled pink.

But then again, the existence of AOS4.0 is a rumor based on wild speculation by some blind whorshipping zealots!!! I'm looking forward to that "be all and end all", palladium, super duper os ;)) You know, the one that owns everthing on your computer that you make, if you don't pay your monthly subscription to use it. Pure Genius.

AmigaOne! Don't Myth the boat.
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 11-May-2003 21:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Lasse Bodilsen):
Does "Quit" work in OS4?
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-May-2003 08:52 GMT
Wery good news that there finally was a public demo of OS4. Maybe atleast some of the morons here will now shut up. How it feels to be wrong ? :)
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Posted by Radfoo on 12-May-2003 09:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
The pics look good, OS4 seems quite a bit more polished than the previous demos.
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Posted by Jim Forbes-Ritte (AGAfaster) on 12-May-2003 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
y'just *know* some berk is gonna say 'I coulda done that in Photoshop' !
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-May-2003 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
> Wery good news that there finally was a public demo of OS4.

There has been no public demo of AOS4.
This news item is misleadingly referring to the usual demo of some of the components that one of these days will be used in AOS4.

> How it feels to be wrong ?

Please, do tell. ;-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-May-2003 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
And what public demo of OS4 woudl that be?

Because there was certainly no "public demo of OS4" at the show. There was a demo of some OS4 modules RUNNING ON 68k CPU, but absolutely NO PPC AmigaOS4 running anywhere. Hell, not even a 68kAOS4 was running, just a demo of a few limited modules, nothing more.
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-May-2003 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
It does not matter if there was PPC demo or not. If there was OS4 ´running nomatter if it was m68k then os4 was demoed. Don't forget that it is not any problem to recompile those modules to ppc.
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-May-2003 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
> Don't forget that it is not any problem to recompile those modules to ppc.

Sure, I bet you do that every morning before breakfest. Sigh. Why do you think it takes so many people so much time (AOS4, MorphOS) ? You can't just throw m68k code at a different compiler and have a PPC OS ten minutes later. If that was possible, they would have recompiled AOS3 by now with a PPC gcc.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 12-May-2003 16:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
"few limited modules, nothing more"

Like a replacement for 95% of the 3.1 Kickstart.

You're obviously not going to notice that just looking at a few screenshots.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-May-2003 17:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@ben

So Ben, what has changed since this september 2002 status report ?
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1031568376&category=news&start=1&84

With looking at these pictures and show reports it looks that:
- No OS4 has been demoed booting on PPC (neither Powerup nor AmigaOne)
- The modules presented are the same as the one marked as done last september

Now we start to speak about a release before christmas 2003. This is what Ben Yoris said for the Aone version and he was called a liar to say so :(


I'm aware of the huge task the OS4 team is going through and I have a lot of respect for the effort. For the same reason I have been convinced since the start of the project that your release dates were completely unrealistic.
I don't doubt that OS4 will boot in public soon but doing a commercial release sounds like another story still months ago.

@all
And please don't start a flamewar.
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Posted by James Carroll on 13-May-2003 00:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Christophe Decanini):
From various comments on different amiga sites, Ben Hermans has basically said that OS 4.0 boots and can launch software, but they want to iron out some slight glitches before demonstrating it for the first time, as they want to make a good first impression.

Also, they may have news for us soon.. I've seen a few comments from Hans-Joerg Frieden saying they may have news for us in the next few days. It's been a few days since hes said that, so I'm guessing maybe it will come in the next few (1-2) weeks. :)
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Posted by James Carroll on 13-May-2003 00:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Christophe Decanini):
"Now we start to speak about a release before christmas 2003. This is what Ben Yoris said for the Aone version and he was called a liar to say so :( "

No, he wasnt called a liar, they said he wasnt qualified to make predictions on this particular project. Just pointing that out before we offend someone!

Thank you, come again.
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Posted by Elwood on 13-May-2003 06:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Christophe Decanini):
>- No OS4 has been demoed booting on PPC (neither Powerup nor AmigaOne)

So what ?
When they will want to do so, they will show you....

>- The modules presented are the same as the one marked as done last september
Not at all. They are updated a lot since then...
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Posted by Elwood on 13-May-2003 06:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (James Carroll):
It was his opinion, not an official thing....
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Posted by Elwood on 13-May-2003 06:37 GMT
Just a remark, what you see in those pictures might have change now. Different icons, different programs, different directories...
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 13-May-2003 10:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Elwood):
"Not at all. They are updated a lot since then... "

My point is that last september they were marked as "done" or "100%"
Maybe they are at 120% now but the fact that no OS4 has been booted on a PPC publically is somehow not encouraging a commercial release before months.
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Posted by DaveP on 13-May-2003 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Christophe Decanini):
Can you see yourself buying AOS4 and A1 when it comes out?
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 13-May-2003 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (DaveP):
It is definitly my intention.
At the least I would like to buy OS4 to test it on my A4000/cyberstorm
If it is good I may get an AmigaOne if:
- I need to get more CPU power for new apps /games
- I can get my 100$ back from AmigaInc
- my wife accepts that I buy a third computer for myself ;) (I already have the 4000 and a Pegasos).

I have been waiting for OS4 for years. When Fleecy attended at the first WOA in Cologne I was the guy telling him publicaly that we needed OS4 PPC ASAP while he was saying "only if we have 50.000 sales of OS3.9".

I think that they never got to this point and definitely lost some precious time before going for it :(
I was also for a joint MorphOS/Hyperion/Amigainc effort but it failed to materialize.
Now I give equal chances to both systems as it give us more opportunities.
I would definitely like to run OS4 and MorphOS on the same HW (would it be a Pegasos or AmigaOne).
My only complain about OS4 so far is that it has been announced to be release too early and I suspect it was just by fear to loose people on the MorphOS side.
I don't think these people are "lost" for the community as they contribute to feed the developers who have plans for both MorphOS and OS4, the dealers etc.

To give you an example since I got my Pegasos I bought a good number of applications from a developper that will do both MorphOS and OS4. It was the first time I was buying so much software again since a long time.

I hope you get a clearer picture of me and my intention as it looks that people tend to put you in a camp or another very quickly.

I have no agenda to have any effort fail, my agenda is that both win. That will be only possible if they get new people.
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Posted by DaveP on 13-May-2003 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Christophe Decanini):
Wasn't implying anything by the question btw, just you seem quite aggravated
about it so you might have decided to not buy one now.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 13-May-2003 12:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (DaveP):
Well, with your question I took the opportunity to enlight people who say that I have an agenda or that ANN as been bought by Genesi or that I was bribbed etc..

I'm aggravated by the people reactions on these forums and I put a part of responsability on the people in charge who did not act soon enough or did not take care of the comunity (shows, developers, resellers etc), did not try enough to have third parties cooperate, the people who announced too early the OS release.
It killed the classic to early, the transition was noexistant and a lot of people left.
Some people think that Genesi are "stealing" developers and users while I think that Genesi has put a substential effort that keep people leaving this community. The evidence is that these users are still on all Amiga sites (with a few exception) and that they still participate in the community.
Without Genesi they would certainly have been gone to other platforms.

I hope to see the same kind of support coming from AmigaINC once OS4 is out but I sincerely doubt it when you look at their track record.
Hopefully the users will be less frustrated and may get the attention of some previous Amiga owners.

To be back to your question: no, the fact that I have some heated exchanges with Hyperion about that will not affect my decision to buy their product, help their promotion or my moderation here. I had such exchanges with BBRV in the past and I'm a glad Pegasos user today.
I think that boycoting a company depending on 1 person comment from this company makes no sense. What is important is what the company as a whole produced and if as a consumer I can benefit from it it is welcome. If I can make other users enjoy it it is even better. We tend to forget that the "enemy" is a Microsoft dominated market with no alternative for the users that do not want a single solution for their need.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 13-May-2003 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (DaveP):
I missed the "now" word.
No, an AmigaOne without OS4 is of no use for me.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 13-May-2003 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Christophe Decanini):
Again, we are not about to make the same mistake that bPlan made by demonstrating a system which comes down when you look at it cross-eyed.

You only can make a first impression once.
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Posted by Don Cox on 13-May-2003 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"Again, we are not about to make the same mistake that bPlan made by demonstrating a system which comes down when you look at it cross-eyed."

OTOH however many bugs you fix, you can be certain that one you have never seen before will pop up at the demonstration. So it would be safest to warn that "there are still bugs" (in loud letters) anyway.

Remember Bill Gates coming off stage with his mic still on, saying "It worked!" in a tone of amazed relief. Usually it doesn't.
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