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Posted on 12-May-2003 12:50 GMT by Nikki47 comments
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Fleecy has given information on how the rebates will be handled. Fleecy Q&A Week 9
Fleecy addresses promotional Amiga OS4 rebate handling : Comment 1 of 47ANN.lu
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Posted by Jerry on 12-May-2003 12:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (JC):
Yes i also ignore the lies (some people will see them as ANSWERS), Moss said he did not know Garry Hare then the next time he said Garry Hare, talk about a bad liar.

Moss,McEwen and the rest are NOT what the amiga platform needs.
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-May-2003 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Jerry):
Fleecy lives in England so it doesn't surprise me that he doesn't know Hare. I don't know Bill Gates either, but you can't say I'm a liar for knowing who he is.
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Posted by MIKE on 12-May-2003 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
I think the point is, whatever Fleecy says is *pure* fantasy. Where are the whitepaper's on all this fleecy speak, He's making this stuff up on the fly, I'm surprised anyone takes him seriously. Fleecy has no skills himself to make any of this happen, ask him if Amiga has *any* employees actively doing work on the AmigaDE/Anywhere whatever they rebadge it to these days project.
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Posted by Man on the Moon on 12-May-2003 15:56 GMT
That don't impress me much... and - uh-oh! - Fleecy m0f0ss gave us yet another AOS4.0 release date(tm)!!
<quote>
We have always targeted it for AmigaOS4.2. Given that we want to have a release gap of between 6-12 months once AmigaOS4.0 has shipped, that should be around about Christmas 2004
</quote>
Given that there's still some1 at Hyperion developing it, we'll have to wait at least until Christmas 2oo3 to see an AOS4.0 in alpha or maybe beta stage, even if summer 2oo4 as a release date seems to be far more realistic at this point...
*g*
Fleecy addresses promotional Amiga OS4 rebate handling : Comment 9 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-May-2003 16:15 GMT
Did someone fart or do I smell pessimism in air..? :-)
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Posted by SlimJim on 12-May-2003 16:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
@Anonymous

You noticed it too, huh? ;-)
.
SlimJim
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Posted by Loki on 12-May-2003 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Man on the Moon):
6-12 months between releases:

June/Jul 03 = OS4.0
Dec 03/jan 04 = OS4.1
June/Jul 04 = OS4.2

Maybe??? +6 months on above dates (except OS4.0, fingers crossed).

Never seen/heard that OS4.1 was being skipped, just some of the planned features
were being included in OS4.0. I assume some of OS4.2 will be included in 4.1.

Loki :~()
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Posted by Housey on 12-May-2003 19:37 GMT
What Mr Moss says it totally true and we must listen to his wise words as he has never let the users down and has always been there with us through the good and bad times.

Fleecy your Q&As are outstanding, thank you for everything you have done and you are well loved in the Amiga community.
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Posted by T_Bone on 12-May-2003 20:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Housey):
I agree, after all, he said this:

"You may have bought the name Amiga, but the community is something you have to earn. AInc have never understood that, and now there is another company offering to earn our respect. It would just be plain rude to ignore them... but I guess AInc doesn't care about being rude to its potential partners or community." - Fleecy Moss
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-May-2003 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (T_Bone):
"rude to its potential partners or community"

?
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-May-2003 20:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (T_Bone):
"there is another company offering to earn our respect. It would just be plain rude to ignore them."

Genesi ?

You must be kidding.

You must be a true fool if you have never seen BillBuck being rude to other companies Or users.
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Posted by Mr. Bumpy on 12-May-2003 22:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (T_Bone):
The quote that was posted by T_Bone is not recent; it was taken from a document written by Fleecy in 1999 combating the Linux decision by Jim Collas. You can read it yourself <A href="http://www.amigamccc.org/journal/9908flee.htm">here</A>.

I hope this clears up any confusion.
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Posted by Mr. Bumpy on 12-May-2003 22:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Mr. Bumpy):
I'm sorry about the previous message--this is my first time posting here.

The quote that was posted by T_Bone is not recent; it was taken from a document written by Fleecy in 1999 combating the Linux decision by Jim Collas. You can read it yourself at:

http://www.amigamccc.org/journal/9908flee.htm

I hope this clears up any confusion.
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Posted by Nate Downes on 12-May-2003 23:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Actually he was referring to QSSL, the company that makes QNX.

I'd highly recommending reading the full paper rather than jump to
conclusions.
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-May-2003 02:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Nate Downes):
What are you on about no where in comment 13 does he refer to Anything about QNX.
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-May-2003 06:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (MIKE):
why hasn't this message (that I reply to) been removed for trolling?
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-May-2003 06:07 GMT
it's quite obvious now what side ann is on (but no wonder since thendic owns ANN)...
they are on the side of a man which already ones has made a Amiga company gone bancrupt (VisCorp) and which got a very honest and correct review by Carl Sassenrath when he left VisCorp... he said this about Bill Buck et al.

"they are incompetent"
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Posted by Kjetil on 13-May-2003 06:11 GMT
”Christmas 2004. However”, stupid promises that will be broken no question about it, it just goes with the company or technology, way don’t they start not making promises and just give some real estimate like some where between 2004 to 2006 this is the after all what the reality is.
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 13-May-2003 06:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
> but no wonder since thendic owns ANN

Care to elaborate?

ANN is still running on my server, the domain is still registered to me, and I still get my monthly paycheck from ConceptWare. So in which way would ANN be owned by Thendic?

(If you refer to the banner advert, ANN would by the same kind of logic be owned by KDH or Vesalia. Neither of the three is true, since a banner advert certainly does not pay enough to buy me, or ANN.)
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Posted by samface on 13-May-2003 06:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Kjetil):
Stop it! That's NOT a promise, it's an estimate based on the information he has from their development team. Can you see the difference or do you whine at your local meteorologist for "breaking promises" too?
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Posted by Darth_X on 13-May-2003 06:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (JC):
By the way, Who is Nikki?
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Posted by Housey on 13-May-2003 07:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Housey):
WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!

Please delete this moderators! This IS NOT me!

GGGRRR this makes me mad...lamers using my nick and my email address to post their drivel.

MODERATORS PLEASE REMOVE IT!
I will try to become a trusted user because this just sucks!

How low do some people in this community stoop!

Wanna know my opinion on a matter then don't make it up... just ask me!
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Posted by Housey on 13-May-2003 07:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Housey):
I am amazed that I was portrayed as such a cheerleader... someone must really hate me.
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Posted by l8-x on 13-May-2003 07:32 GMT
test
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Posted by Kjetil on 13-May-2003 07:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (samface):
>do you whine at your local meteorologist for "breaking promises" too?

Yes I do, and continue to read them the same, no matter how wrong they are it kind of amuse me at the same time.

If fink it just silly to give estimates on products tree releases ahead of time, when we do not know when OS4.0 or OS4.1 is coming out, for shore. There is simply to many unknowns and by way, developers tend to be optimistic of nature, they never think worst case scenarios and they have tendency to solve one problem as the time they do not look at every thing at once, due to this will to depressing and to complicated to solve every thing at once for any one to bear, its the small puzzles that interest the developers. Different developers do different thing they do not have the complete picture, only the project manager have the full picture butt he is jugging from the developers.
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-May-2003 07:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
" thendic owns ANN"

ROTFL

Nice try, Bouma...
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Posted by samface on 13-May-2003 08:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Kjetil):
"Yes I do, and continue to read them the same, no matter how wrong they are it kind of amuse me at the same time."

So, you are saying that you're intentionally just beeing a prick because it's amusing you?

"If fink it just silly to give estimates on products tree releases ahead of time, when we do not know when OS4.0 or OS4.1 is coming out, for shore. There is simply to many unknowns and by way, developers tend to be optimistic of nature, they never think worst case scenarios and they have tendency to solve one problem as the time they do not look at every thing at once, due to this will to depressing and to complicated to solve every thing at once for any one to bear, its the small puzzles that interest the developers."

Hence the give or take 6 months. That gives him an error margin by a whole year. Are you saying that his estimate is too specific?

"Different developers do different thing they do not have the complete picture, only the project manager have the full picture butt he is jugging from the developers."

Yes, and that project manager has a direct communication with Fleecy, keeping him up to date on the whole picture of whats going on and problems that might occur. Of course there is no such thing as a fool proof estimate on a development project such as this. That's why you should think of it as just that, an estimate. Just like with a weather forecast, it may or may not become true. Take it or leave it.
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Posted by Mike Bouma on 13-May-2003 08:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
It wouldn't surprise me if you were trolling against your own trolling, just for troll's sake. :)

I am still waiting for the first accusations, claiming that I am providing shelters for Osama Bin Laden and Sadam Hossein! ;)
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Posted by samface on 13-May-2003 08:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Mike Bouma):
Aha! I knew it was you all along! ;-)
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Posted by Kjetil on 13-May-2003 10:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (samface):
>So, you are saying that you're intentionally just being a prick because it's amusing you?

It’s amusing for me, so intentionally to being a prick about it, due to fact of the matter, so if I can find it funny may be otter will like to know way I think it funny this way I found it worth comment about it.

/*
Hence the give or take 6 months. That gives him an error margin by a whole year. Are you saying that his estimate is too specific?
*/

Yes it is, just wait and se December 2003 , every one will start complaining like we always do, way is OS4.2 not out by now, bla bla bla, just wait and Se, and if the time schedule gets changed then every one will start arguing about Hyperion / AInc going bankrupt this is the Amiga community after all, and the community will manage to bring down the companies inn the end just wait and Se.. by all bull shit spread in the tin sky, poisoning any one how might be interested inn the Amiga market from the out side, the Amiga community be immune by the poison will be the only left inn the community.

>Of course there is no such thing as a fool proof estimate on a development project such as this

And this is way it so silly really to give a specific date like December 2003, give or take 3 weeks.

>That's why you should think of it as just that, an estimate

It will never be taken like estimate by the community; it will be taken like promise like always.
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Posted by logain on 13-May-2003 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Kjetil):
I was really waiting for such a stupid comment.

When Amiga Inc. goes bust (yes i agree, we've just to wait and see)
its definitly not the Amiga Community you can blame for it.

Its just the incredible incompetence of this company in everything
over the last 3+ years.

think about it again..
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Posted by SlimJim on 13-May-2003 11:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Kjetil):
> It will never be taken like estimate by the community; it will be taken like
> promise like always.

If you KNOW yourself it's an "estimate" and not a "promise", why do you
(personally) still keep using the "broken promise" harang? Naysaying for the sake
of it huh? I'm glad you feel amused by all this, but it says a lot about the
weight one should infer to your arguments.
.
SlimJim
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-May-2003 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (logain):
Yeah what a joke. Now the apologists are thinking of what excuses they will use when Amiga Inc goes bancrupt.

Noticed I used the word WHEN and not IF.
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Posted by Robert on 13-May-2003 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
> Noticed I used the word WHEN and not IF.

Ooooooooh!
Well, obviously you know exactly what is going on....

Honestly, do you expect anyone to take that comment seriously whilst you remain anonymous?

pfft!
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Posted by redrumloa on 13-May-2003 12:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Robert):
Ooops I didnt mean to post anonymously. It was me. Personal opinion obviously, but based on all available information I easily come to this conclusion.
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Posted by Robert on 13-May-2003 12:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (redrumloa):
@red:

:)

Fair enough. At least you cleared it up!
Reading so many anonymous comments that claim to be in the know, leads me to get a little narked sometimes.

Cheers,
Robert
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Posted by redrumloa on 13-May-2003 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Robert):
@Robert

I agree about anonymous postings, and i try not to do it myself. I may dislike one individual in Amiga Inc who I won't mention... cough, cough Fleecy.. But i do not WISH they go bancrupt.
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Posted by dammy on 13-May-2003 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (redrumloa):
I use to wish AI would go under and leave us in peace. I no longer wish that. I'm just hoping Garry Hare would clean out the dead wood within Amiga Inc and let it get back to what it was suppost to focus on, games for cellphones.

Dammy
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Posted by DaveP on 13-May-2003 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (redrumloa):
Why do you dislike Fleecy then? I understood you disliked McEwan before?!?

Or am I thinking of Wayne?
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Posted by redrumloa on 13-May-2003 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (DaveP):
I don't recall ever saying I disliked Bill Mc Ewen as a person. I have no reason to say that, at least not directly. I do dislike some of the things he said or have done. Fleecy on the other hand I have grown to dislike for obvious reasons.
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Posted by koan on 13-May-2003 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Robert):
> Reading so many anonymous comments that claim to be in the know, leads me to
> get a little narked sometimes.

You should chill out a bit.
There are very few people on ANN who are "in the know".
That's why there is so much speculation.

I think it's straightforward to say that the (few) people in the know don't
need to post anonymously.

koan
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Posted by Tigger on 13-May-2003 20:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (DaveP):
>>>>>
Why do you dislike Fleecy then? I understood you disliked McEwan before?!?
>>>>>

I dont know why Redrumloa dislikes him, I dislike him because he is a liar. I believe the comment that says it best is "Fleecy never tells the truth when a lie will do". Also he's technically incompetant, which in a CTO should be frowned upon in my opinion. McEwen is a salesman, once you understand that, what and how he has done things is pretty easy to understand. I dont believe I have ever had a conversation in person with "Fleecy" that he didnt lie to me. That includes the whoppers he told at the Gateway Devcon (plus at least 6 beastiality jokes worked into his spiel).
-Tig
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Posted by strobe on 14-May-2003 04:21 GMT
They may as well announce AOS4 will be ready Christmas 3000AD. It doesn't seem to matter how long it takes, the Amiga Inc. apologists keep hanging on like a dingleberry.

There is no date they won't wait for. Gluttons for punishment...
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