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Posted on 16-May-2003 03:12 GMT by Some Farker (Edited on 2003-05-16 07:51:51 GMT by Christian Kemp)265 comments
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(via amiga.org) Amiga, Inc's office equipment is being auctioned off by a 3rd party auction company in Washington State. What does this portend? From the 2nd site:

"AMIGA INC
10AM - TUESDAY - JUNE 17
Preview 8-10am, Tuesday, June 17
34935 SE Douglas St, Suite 210
Snoqualmie, WA

Dot com servers, pc's, printers & late model furniture"

Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 1 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 01:32 GMT
Oh man.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 2 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 16-May-2003 02:12 GMT
this story is not true it's something that bill buck made up because amiga one is outselling the pegasos three to one. will these genesi villians stop at nothing?? They are like al-queda.
it's all ann fault for not suporting amiga inc. mr kemp and decanni you should be ashamed of yourself for allowing evil pegasos advertising.

i'm off to amigaworld.net where i will never have to read these lies about amiga inc not being broke.
I bought 10 coupouns of amiga inc, i don't expect anything in return, i didin't even want the money going towards hyperion and os4 just to help mcewan and fleecy out..
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 3 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-May-2003 02:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (T_Bone):
Well, we knew the office had been vacated for months now, so this stuff was probably just in storage while creditors sorted things out. Still, it's sad to see the auction notice.

-- gary_c
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 4 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 16-May-2003 02:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (gary_c):
LOL! Interesting indeed..if you like used furniture and hardware. ;)

I can just see the comments coming.. Doom and gloom from people who know nothing about why. :)
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 5 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 16-May-2003 02:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (cheesegrate):
Jesus, whats your problem cheesegrate?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 6 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-May-2003 02:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Ray A. Akey):
Ray A. Akey wrote:

> Doom and gloom from people who know nothing about why.

Sorry, but your words are completely hollow without something substantial from Amiga, Inc. to show the doom and gloom is not justified. *Everything* we hear about the company these days points to the same conclusion. Are you implying there's some positive reason for the auction? Come on, Ray, dispel the doom and gloom with your insider's insight. We're all ears.

-- gary_c
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 7 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 16-May-2003 02:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (gary_c):
Well, .... you've heard of the paperless office?

And the bricks and mortar vs. www presence?

Well, they're gone into "holographic cyberspace"TM now. ;))

AmigaOne! Que?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 8 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 02:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Ray A. Akey):
> LOL! Interesting indeed..if you like used furniture and hardware. ;)
> I can just see the comments coming.. Doom and gloom from people who know
> nothing about why. :)

I think everybody knows why.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 9 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 16-May-2003 03:04 GMT
Oh boy. Amiga Inc. haters are going to have a fieldtrip today.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 10 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 16-May-2003 03:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (James Carroll):
Can’t tell if Cheesegrate is being funny. That post reads as a caricature of the Amiga user that people react strongly against—part myth / part reality, but a little weird. Maybe I’m reading too much into it.

Gary_c: Along those lines, I feel people always love conspiracy, it is built right into the Amiga mythos. There is a lot more going around of late; like it or not, one can’t deny that some were spread through Bill Buck’s recent comments, and others are based the facts: Amiga has had financial/legal problems and Hyperium’s work on the OS may be several months away. In any case, each piece of new information has to be taken in context, and this latest information means absolutely nothing. Amiga no longer has an office; that they have taken some of the equipment out of storage and sold it makes sense. I would have thought that this would have been done sooner. I’m sure they could use the money, but jettisoning extra supplies doesn’t mean they are on their last breath.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 11 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 16-May-2003 03:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Ray A. Akey):
> LOL! Interesting indeed..if you like used furniture and hardware. ;)

> I can just see the comments coming.. Doom and gloom from people who know
> nothing about why. :)

Failure to pay bills?

Dammy
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 12 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-May-2003 03:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (hooligan/dcs):
hooligan wrote:
> Oh boy. Amiga Inc. haters are going to have a fieldtrip today.

I don't know about Amiga, Inc. haters, but a lot of people who are just looking for some credibility in that operation are wondering what the heck is going on. The office/phone thing, the court cases, the mystery of the two CEOs, and now this (offshoot of the office thing). We get sarcastic LOLs from Ray and PR fluff from fleecy, but nothing official at amiga.com that lays everything out. True, they don't *owe* us any explanation, but the result of that course is all this speculating and flaming. If they only had the serious haters to worry about, they wouldn't have a problem, but they seem to be putting off a lot more people than just the misanthropes.

-- gary_c
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 13 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 16-May-2003 03:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (gary_c):
OK, one of the possible brighter possibilities (OMG, am I really saying this?) is the office equiptment wasn't worth the effort nor the money to ship down to CA for Hare's office. Now if Amiga.com goes offline prior to the auction, we will know why. ;P

Dammy
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 14 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-May-2003 03:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (NihilVor):
NihilVor wrote:

> Gary_c: Along those lines, I feel people always love conspiracy, it is built right into the Amiga mythos. There is a lot more going around of late;

Right, but there's also a lot of desire for honest communication.

>like it or not, one can’t deny that some were spread through Bill Buck’s recent comments,

Probably to some extent he has stoked the fire, but the spark and the fuel were already provided.

>and others are based the facts: Amiga has had financial/legal problems and Hyperium’s work on the OS may be several months away.

Hyperion's got a big job to do and I think they're doing great under the circumstances. Yes, Amiga, Inc. has had problems, and their attempted solutions have led them away from the old userbase and away from what we've known as an Amiga company. But that's just my own opinion.

>In any case, each piece of new information has to be taken in context, and this latest information means absolutely nothing. Amiga no longer has an office; that they have taken some of the equipment out of storage and sold it makes sense. I would have thought that this would have been done sooner. I’m sure they could use the money, but jettisoning extra supplies doesn’t mean they are on their last breath.

Right, it's possible this is part of some plan that makes sense and points toward a brighter future for the company (and I'm not being sarcastic). The thing is, we get one image that's big on happy talk and short on real-world specifics from the official sources, and another "behind the curtain" image that's just one seedy revelation after another, and there seems to be at least a kernel of truth to most of these revelations. Why won't Amiga, Inc. staff (ideally Bill McEwen as CEO, to prove at least one rumor wrong) go public (verifiably public, not just a message on the web site with his name typed at the bottom) and address all these nagging questions honestly and directly, so the shows in front of and behind the curtain aren't at odds any more?

-- gary_c
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 15 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 16-May-2003 03:45 GMT
A clever company would put announcement on their web page BEFORE rumors get started... unless they are too deep in sh*t already...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 16 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 03:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (priest):
An even cleverer company would put the announcements on this website below, and get a commision off memberships.

http://comments.fuckedcompany.com/fc/phparchives/searchthis2.php?search=amiga
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 17 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 16-May-2003 03:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (priest):
priest, don't lose your Faith now, I may need your services soon. :))

AmigaOne! The long and winding road.....
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 18 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 16-May-2003 03:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (gary_c):
Now I'm wondering how is Mike over at amigaincfanboyworld.org taking this? ];->

Dammy
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 19 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 16-May-2003 04:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (dammy):
You can read his obituary in tomorrows newspaper ;)
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 20 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 16-May-2003 04:05 GMT
You mean Amiga Inc doesn't have an office? I could have sworn everybody who wondered about that was told oh no that isn't true at all. And anyone who claimed that was called liar, fudder, or crazy.

But hey: it's another pod people trip. It was all right to claim differently way back when. Truth? What truth. Who needs it. Now we are content in our ignorant bliss.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 21 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-May-2003 04:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (dammy):
Well, if it really isn't bad news, like some people assure us, then you'd think the supporters would want to let others know about this opportunity to get some Amiga, Inc. memorabilia and help out the company at the same time. :-)

-- gary_c
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 22 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 16-May-2003 04:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (greenboy):
> But hey: it's another pod people trip. It was all right to claim differently
> way back when. Truth? What truth. Who needs it. Now we are content in our
> ignorant bliss.

Amiga Inc is (was) a content company afterall. ;)

Dammy
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 23 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 16-May-2003 04:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (dammy):
keeping his mouth shut like any other bad amiga inc news ;)
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 24 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by jh on 16-May-2003 04:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Ray A. Akey):
"I can just see the comments coming.. Doom and gloom from people who know nothing about why. :)"

Tell the truth Ray. Amiga has NOTHING to DO with this auction. Didn't any of you notice that this auction is NOT being hosted by AMIGA, but by one of it's CREDITORS?

Yes, that's right. Amiga's old landlord! Amiga will get NOTHING from this auction, and they are powerless to stop it one way or the other. Funny how they'll "spin" this as a management decision.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 25 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 04:30 GMT
Well, selling off a couple of desks and office chairs
doesn't mean Amiga is bust! Remember the bird phoenix...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 26 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-May-2003 04:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (jh):
jh wrote:

> Didn't any of you notice that this auction is NOT being hosted by AMIGA, but by one of it's CREDITORS?

Where did you see a creditor's name? All I see is Amiga, Inc.'s name and the auction company. (Not questioning that there are creditors hovering, but just curious about your information on this auction.)

-- gary_c
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 27 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 04:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
...or the zombies...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 28 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 04:37 GMT
C'mon guys! Can't you all see all this Amiga Inc going out of business is just an April Fools joke? It was originally planned for 2002, but now speculation has it it'll be sprung by Christmas 2003.

'on schedule and rockin'
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 29 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 04:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (gary_c):
> Where did you see a creditor's name? All I see is Amiga, Inc.'s name and the
> auction company. (Not questioning that there are creditors hovering, but
> just curious about your information on this auction.)

Well for one thing, look at the address. Amiga doesn't have access to their old office anymore, and the auction has a preview location at their old office.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 30 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-May-2003 04:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
> Remember the bird phoenix...

http://phinixi.com -- (sorry, couldn't resist) ;-)

Or remember Janus, with two heads, one facing Redmond and one handing out business cards at trade shows. :-)

-- gary_c
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 31 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Paul_Gadd on 16-May-2003 04:41 GMT
So the world may know.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 32 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 16-May-2003 04:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (greenboy):
I thought Amiga came out about this months ago. It’s not the sort of thing that you could expect them to advertise on their webpage, but I thought this was common knowledge and was answered in some interview, but I could be wrong. I guess its possible they have a new office, but they left their old one because it was cost efficient and they didn’t need the space.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 33 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by jh on 16-May-2003 04:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (T_Bone):
The creditor running this auction is Inception Group LLC. (I asked them) They took Amiga to court, Amiga didn't pay, and IGLLC locked the office doors untill Amiga could pay. Amiga never paid. IGLLC is now auctioning off everything in the office to put towards the tens of thousands owed to them. None of this came from storage, this equipment has been under lock and key by IGLLC ever since they locked Amiga out.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 34 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 04:47 GMT
I'm just wondering, if Amiga goes belly-up (if
it already hasn't) does Hyperion get the rights
to the name "Amiga OS"? I would assume so, but...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 35 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 04:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (NihilVor):
You are being sarcastic, right?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 36 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 16-May-2003 05:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (gary_c):
>Hyperion's got a big job to do and I think they're doing great
>under the circumstances. Yes, Amiga, Inc. has had problems, and
>their attempted solutions have led them away from the old userbase
>and away from what we've known as an Amiga company. But that's just
>my own opinion.

I agree with your summation of the facts. The problem I have in general, and there are a lot of thing that bug me about the politicing on both sides, is that people treat Amiga as if it is supposed to be some sort of buddy. Companies change directions, they make misjudgments. Amiga went the wrong way the first few years in the hands of their current owners. If they wanted to secure a better future for themselves and their OS they should have worked coterminously on both the DE (if we grant them their initial upbeat evaluation of the product) and OS4. Now they put a little spin in their reassessment of their strategy. But of course they do, they're not our buddy; they are a company, and must play by the rules wherein brutal honesty is very risky. However, so is the silent treatment, as you noted. The problem is that people become irascible too easily and act like they had some sort of intimate relationship with the organization wherein they must take a side on every little bit of new or rumor based on some overriding emotion. What happens is that people make too big a deal about everything that happens concerning Amiga; they complain about things like Amiga firing some of their employees or Amiga owing (or disputing) a few thousand dollars in rent. None of this has any real significance and if people dug so deeply into every company nothing would ever get done. Let them make their mistakes and find their way; plasticity is a positive trait as the alternative is death. / Slay the fanatic in us all. :)

Obviously, this is not directed at you (Gary_c).
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 37 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 16-May-2003 05:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
>I'm just wondering, if Amiga goes belly-up (if
>it already hasn't) does Hyperion get the rights
>to the name "Amiga OS"? I would assume so, but...

According to Ben Hermans, Hyperion get the rights to keep developing AmigaOS.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 38 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-May-2003 05:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (jh):
Sounds like the most probable explanation.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 39 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 16-May-2003 05:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Ray A. Akey):
> Doom and gloom from people who know nothing about why. :)

It would be so much better if YOU enlightened us, rather than saying "oh, LOL, you know nothing, ROTFL".
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 40 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 16-May-2003 05:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
No, they downsized (no secret there); why pay for a big office when you have no need for it. This is old news.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 41 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 05:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (NihilVor):
> why pay

Right! Now I see, this exactly has been the problem :)
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 42 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by jh on 16-May-2003 05:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (NihilVor):
"No, they downsized (no secret there); why pay for a big office when you have no need for it. This is old news."

That's quite a euphemism, they were locked out of their office and denied access to the contents within.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 43 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 16-May-2003 05:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
Question is, does Amiga Inc own the name or does one of the shareholders own it?


Dammy
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 44 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 16-May-2003 05:15 GMT
/me whistling Europe: "The final countdown"
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 45 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-May-2003 05:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (jh):
jh wrote:

> ... and denied access to the contents within.

Could this explain the unshipped t-shirts? :-)

-- gary_c
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 46 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 16-May-2003 05:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (gary_c):
> Could this explain the unshipped t-shirts? :-)

Thanks for the laugh - I needed something to lighten up the mood this morning. :)
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 47 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 16-May-2003 05:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (jh):
That has been a rumor that has been going around; it doesn’t change the fact that they appear to have downsized and didn’t really need a large office. I’m not calling you a liar but the court case with Inception was thrown out by the judge. Also, if you called them, as you claim, you must have had a jump on this news because it is early in the morning. Also, Amiga appears to be doing this in their name. If you ask for the auction book you’ll have a good sense of what they are selling and can then draw your own conclusion as to the extent of the sell-off.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 48 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 16-May-2003 05:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (NihilVor):
Thay are doing it to pay Bolton Peck. Garry Hare will deliver the check personally.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 49 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Ogun on 16-May-2003 05:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (jh):
Heh, I wonder if one of those servers/desktops will contain any neat sourcecode or other useful stuff, since they were locked out.

:)
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 50 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Nakkel on 16-May-2003 05:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (gary_c):
mUh... Now my belly hurts and its all your fault :P
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