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[News] Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off?ANN.lu
Posted on 16-May-2003 03:12 GMT by Some Farker (Edited on 2003-05-16 07:51:51 GMT by Christian Kemp)265 comments
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(via amiga.org) Amiga, Inc's office equipment is being auctioned off by a 3rd party auction company in Washington State. What does this portend? From the 2nd site:

"AMIGA INC
10AM - TUESDAY - JUNE 17
Preview 8-10am, Tuesday, June 17
34935 SE Douglas St, Suite 210
Snoqualmie, WA

Dot com servers, pc's, printers & late model furniture"

Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 101 of 265ANN.lu
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Spoof or troll (if not the first, then the latter)
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 102 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 16-May-2003 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Ferry):
> So Mr. Akey comment "Doom and gloom from people who know nothing about why" was
> a recursive one, wasn't it? At least, it is until Mr. Akey gives a direct
> answer...

He won't give you any answers, I'm afraid: he's been asked that very same question not less than 5 times in this thread, still no answer. Wonder if he realizes that such behaviour is so pathetic
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 103 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Fabio Alemagna):
Well, I sympathise with his position.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 104 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 16-May-2003 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (T_Bone):
> Well, I sympathise with his position.

Sorry?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 105 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-May-2003 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (T_Bone):
"It's pretty simple, those are the facts."

Huh? What? Where?

No, it's not facts just because you or person x say so. Show me what you are refering to as facts and I will consider it.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 106 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 16-May-2003 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (samface):
> No, it's not facts just because you or person x say so. Show me what you are
> refering to as facts and I will consider it.

You could perhaps do some research and find out yourself?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 107 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by CyberZorro on 16-May-2003 10:36 GMT
YESSSSS!!! This makes this day a happy day!!
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 108 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-May-2003 10:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Anonymous):
How do you know that it is one of their creditors? It sure looks like it's Amiga Inc. themselves that are auctioning if you look at Murphy Auctions' website.

Again, you guys have no clue about why and all these pathetic theories are just that; theories. Stop beeing such Bill Buck puppets and try to look at things objectively for a change.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 109 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (samface):
> Huh? What? Where?

The rent... the taxes...the payroll?

> No, it's not facts just because you or person x say so. Show me what you are
> refering to as facts and I will consider it.

It's PUBLIC INFORMATION Samface. Amiga's court capades are in the PUBLIC DOMAIN. I've led you to the water, this is the "Drink" part. If you don't feel like doing the work yourself Rich Woods will be happy to provide this service for a small fee I'm sure.

They didn't pay their state sales tax, employees have taken them to court and won, and their landlord has a huge past due ammount owed them.

What do you want as proof if you're not going to accept State of Washington official records?

Sheesh.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 110 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 16-May-2003 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Fabio Alemagna):
> he's been asked that very same question not less than 5 times in this thread,
> still no answer.

Yes, but bear in mind that there is a time zone difference, and he's probably not spending all his time on ANN.

That being said, I noticed a tendency in Ray's recent postings to raise more questions than he answered. (But then again, to be fair, he (personally, which I assume most of his postings are) doesn't owe anyone any answer.)
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 111 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Kay on 16-May-2003 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (CyberZorro):
Why, are you in the market for some used office equipment?

Anyway, Fleecy responded to this on the AmigaOne dev-list earlier. Unfortunately his email contained the usual "do not distribute"-bit at the end, so I can't really tell you what he said. It was nothing overly dramatic, though. I hope he posts his comment elsewhere for the rest of you to see.

Kay
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 112 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-May-2003 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (T_Bone):
Yeah, like I would travel from Sweden, all the way to the state of Washington, simply because someone have made this claim about them in a forum on the internet? Get real. You provide me with the facts or stop refering to something you are not willing to back up with actual proof.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 113 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Kay on 16-May-2003 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (T_Bone):
How 'bout a link?

Kay
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 114 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (samface):
Jesus Samface, just Email Rich Woods. I believe you're deliberately avoiding the proof. He will give you access to the documents. "Travel to the US" indeed.

As for the rest of us, why should WE shut up about it just because YOU haven't seen the proof? WE have.

You have every opportunity to see for yourself. If you fail to, it's because you deliberately refuse to.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 115 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by PMC on 16-May-2003 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Ben Yoris):
Ben's post is right IMHO.

The more outdated our hardware and OS gets, the further Amiga (as a brand) needs to go. It is highly likely that they've simply overstretched themselves, as there is no clear evolutionary link to the A One.

We all know about the depression in the IT industry, but having "survived on little more than fresh air" to quote Alan Redhouse of Eyetech, Amiga's second biggest mistake was to fail to admit that the November 2001 release of OS 4 would not be met. I'd go so far as to say that mortal damage was inflicted upon the confidence that this shrinking marketplace has in Amiga's abilities to resurrect the Amiga platform when Eyetech had to take the initiative and break the news. This post is not meant as a disservice to Hyperion, who really have put themselves on a limb, or Eyetech and BPlan for being brave enough to bring us the new PPC hardware we so desperately need.

In this marketplace, we've not been short of some very innovative solutions which - in the case of PCI and PPC - CAN be a great success and breathe life into the Amiga platform. It is unique in the Amiga community that third parties (Phase 5, Elbox, Matay etc) have all made the most important updates to our hardware in the last ten years, while the company that owns the trademark has delivered very little.

I sincerely hope that this is no obituary, but my confidence is running on empty.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 116 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 16-May-2003 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Kay):
I don't trust closed mailing lists not one single iota. Especially when damage control spin is handled solely by the damaged company therin.

Come on, just break the fricking NDA. What are they going to do, sue you? Just tell us what he said for crying out loud, sheesh.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 117 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 16-May-2003 11:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Ray A. Akey):
We know why. We saw the court documents. Amiga Inc was evicted from their offices and the equipment seized by the landlord to pay for back rent.

"old equipment" my ass...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 118 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-May-2003 11:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (T_Bone):
Every opportunity? The only opportunity you give me is Rich Woods which will only give this information to certain individuals hand picked by himself and then you mentioned something about a fee...

Why should it be *my* responsibility to verify *your* claims? No, that's not how it usually goes. If *you* make claims/accusations about or against anything or anyone, *you* are the one with the burden of proof. It's as simple as that, really.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 119 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-May-2003 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Wayne Hunt):
You supposedly beeing objective my ass...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 120 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-May-2003 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (samface):
"and the equipment seized by the landlord to pay for back rent. "

You see I have seen this also and whilst the sale has the Amiga corporate logo we are missing the step where Amiga repossesses the kit ( if indeed this is the same kit! ) and gets permission to do a garage sale in the property they were evicted from.

Sure, its plausible that a reconciliation occurred to settle old debts but at the moment, on current available PRIMARY evidence it doesn't look like its worked that way.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 121 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Kay on 16-May-2003 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (Some Farker):
> I don't trust closed mailing lists not one single iota. Especially when damage control spin is
> handled solely by the damaged company therin.

Fair enough, I don't trust the ANN comments section a single iota either...;-) As for damage control spin, yes, I would say Fleecy seemed to apply it to some extent (who wouldn't?).

> Come on, just break the fricking NDA. What are they going to do, sue you? Just tell us what he
> said for crying out loud, sheesh.

It's not even an NDA, it's just a standard section of his emails. Probably he wouldn't mind me telling what was said in this case, but that isn't the point for me. I am sometimes entrusted with information in confidence (I mean this generally, not in the context of AInc), and if I am to start spreading stuff around when I'm not completely sure the source wants it spread, I am no longer trustworthy. It's a question of integrity.

Anyway, as I said, it was nothing dramatic, and he'll hopefully post the information somewhere public later on.

Kay
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 122 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 16-May-2003 11:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (T_Bone):
Ignore him already. Samface is and always has been a fully fledged, totally paid up bona-fide troll.

So he wears a red hat. Big deal.

YOU have seen the proof. So has everyone else who chose to make the effort. Who cares whether samface believes you or not?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 123 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 16-May-2003 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (RC):
Pot... kettle...

'nuff said.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 124 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 16-May-2003 11:25 GMT
I don't get it. AInc blows. The AmigaOne isn't their design (it's Eyetech's workup of the POP motherboard), OS4 isn't their design (it's Hyperion's rewrite/ppc emulation of OS 3.1). All they <b>were</b> was a name.

Their main thrust was some pie in the sky concept about selling PDA or cell phone games; shoot, I don't even remember or care anymore. But they weren't an "amiga" company in the sense that they wanted to keep creating cool and unique hardware coupled to a very flexible OS along the same lines as...well, I hate to say it, but...Commodore.

I just can't grasp that some people see the need to defend the questionable business practices of a defunct .com - it'd be like me proclaiming that Tulip "Commodore" PCs were valid successors to the Amiga.

Frankly, did anyone NOT see this coming? I mean, how many companies died because all they had was a little bit of venture capital and some vague notion of "content delivery"?

Oh and what pie in the sky it has been, too! "We're partnered with Microsoft!" Yeah, and I can buy the Microsoft Programmer's Suite and subscribe to MSDN and accomplish exactly the same thing and proclaim it with as much gusto.

Ultimately, if your company can't even drive down to Seattle and hit a couple of custom tee-shirt printing companies up for 500 or 1000 decent Hanes Beefy-Ts with a color logo on 'em, you're f---ed from the get-go and that's no lie. I don't care what your notions of "continuing in the spirit of the..." or whatever that line was about forging ahead with Amiga concepts on PDAs and cellphones was.

Love 'em or hate 'em, Commodore was a huge multinational with offices and manufacturing plants all over the world. They were the last company to have the name "amiga" as a property who did anything with it. Every last scrap of base Amiga hardware since was in some way already fab'ed by Commodore before it was assembled and put in a case by Quikpak, Escom, or sold by Amiga Technologies.

It's just that simple.

So what does all this mean? It means that another company has beaten itself to death against the rocky shore of fiscal irresponsibility in an attempt to resurrect the Amiga. And it's not the "Amiga" per se - I harbor no foolish emotions about curses or anything. It is instead still the poison of Commodore's demise that killed any hope of an Amiga revival. Too many people burned or turned off by Commodore's nigh-criminal behavior viz a vis the handling of their assets. Further, the fact that they couldn't even build a user-base half the size of Apple's meant that a post-commodore Amiga had virtually no chance.

Now, at the end of the road, we see that.

I suspect over the next decade or so the Amiga will fade, like the Coleco ADAM or Exidy Sorceror-II and merely join the rest of the cavalcade of "also-rans" in the computer industry.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 125 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (samface):
> Every opportunity? The only opportunity you give me is Rich Woods which will
> only give this information to certain individuals hand picked by himself and
> then you mentioned something about a fee...

So did you email him? Most of what you're asking he gave us for free, if you'd bother to check.

> Why should it be *my* responsibility to verify *your* claims?

You're not "verifying"... *I* verified. Rich Woods verified. YOU wern't satisfied and require tangible proof. I told you where to get it. What do you expect me to do? Get the documents, show up at your doorstep and read them to you?

> No, that's not how it usually goes. If *you* make claims/accusations about
> or against anything or anyone, *you* are the one with the burden of proof.
> It's as simple as that, really.

I didn't make the claim. The State Government of Washington made the claim. the courts and Judges made the claim. We simply listened. You simply refuse to.
I've brought the camel to the water, I can't MAKE you drink.

----------------------------------------------------------
* * * SUIT(S) * * *
----------------------------------------------------------
DOCKET NO.: 012268791
PLAINTIFF: $20,237-THE INCEPTION GROUP LLC STATUS: Pending
DEFENDANT: AMIGA INC DATE STATUS ATTAINED: 09/25/2001
WHERE FILED: KING COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT, DATE FILED: 09/25/2001
SEATTLE, WA LATEST INFO RECEIVED: 10/18/2001
----------------------------------------------------------
* * * LIEN(S) * * *
----------------------------------------------------------
A lienholder can file the same lien in more than one filing
location. The appearance of multiple liens filed by the
same lienholder against a debtor may be indicative of such
an occurrence.
---------------------------------------------------------
DOCKET/WARRANT: 022193366
AMOUNT: $1,060 STATUS: Open
TYPE: State Tax DATE STATUS ATTAINED: 08/02/2002
FILED BY: STATE OF WASHINGTON DATE FILED: 08/02/2002
AGAINST: AMIGA INC LATEST INFO RECEIVED: 08/30/2002
WHERE FILED: KING COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT,
SEATTLE, WA
--------------------------------------------------------
DOCKET/WARRANT: 022022961
AMOUNT: $998 STATUS: Released
TYPE: State Tax DATE STATUS ATTAINED: 05/13/2002
FILED BY: STATE OF WASHINGTON DATE FILED: 04/08/2002
AGAINST: AMIGA INC LATEST INFO RECEIVED: 05/31/2002
WHERE FILED: KING COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT,
SEATTLE, WA
--------------------------------------------------------
DOCKET/WARRANT: 022000312
AMOUNT: $836 STATUS: Released
TYPE: State Tax DATE STATUS ATTAINED: 05/13/2002
FILED BY: STATE OF WASHINGTON DATE FILED: 01/14/2002
AGAINST: AMIGA INC LATEST INFO RECEIVED: 06/07/2002
WHERE FILED: KING COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT,
SEATTLE, WA
-------------------------------------------------------
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 126 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 16-May-2003 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Kay):
"I am sometimes entrusted with information in confidence (I mean this generally, not in the context of AInc), and if I am to start spreading stuff around when I'm not completely sure the source wants it spread, I am no longer trustworthy. It's a question of integrity."

Well I can understand that, and in retrospect I respect that standpoint.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 127 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 16-May-2003 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Christian Kemp):
> Yes, but bear in mind that there is a time zone difference, and he's probably
> not spending all his time on ANN.

He replied to another post, after I asked him that question and after other people asked that very same question, so it's not like he's sleeping or something.

> That being said, I noticed a tendency in Ray's recent postings to raise more
> questions than he answered. (But then again, to be fair, he (personally, which
> I assume most of his postings are) doesn't owe anyone any answer.)

If he limits himself to sarcastic comments, without giving answers tio the questions he raises, then he's just trolling and calling for all the bad words people can tell him. If he can't/doesn't want to answer, then he should just avoid making the comments he makes.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 128 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 16-May-2003 11:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (samface):
Oh My God Samface!

Are you really that clueless and desperate to defend these people in light of FACTS to the contrary?

Wayne
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 129 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-May-2003 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Bill Hoggett):
Thank you for giving me the credit (sarcasm).

However, this really isn't about wether I believe it or not, it's about people making accusations in public without backing it up with actual proof. An accusation should never be made more public than the proof backing it up.

Now, you can call me a troll as much as you want, this kind of behaviour still appears very duboius as long as your reasoning is objective and impartial. No matter what we talk about, it's always dubious to make accusations but simply respond with "look it up yourself" as soon as there is a request for facts to back it up. Giving me what I'm asking for should lie within your own interest, I really don't see the problem here.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 130 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Nakkel on 16-May-2003 11:43 GMT
lol

This feels just like watching The Bold and the Beautiful.

A real soap that gets better every day...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 131 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (samface):
> Thank you for giving me the credit (sarcasm).

What credit? I showed you the lein for the State tax that's unpaid, and the lein from the landlord that's unsettled. Their credit is another matter, but that's available too, BTW.

> However, this really isn't about wether I believe it or not,

It sure as shootin is. There's a certain pattern, the only ones who don't believe it, are the ones who don't have access to proof. You'd have access, if you simply asked for it. Did you email Rich yet?

> it's about people making accusations in public without backing it up with
> actual proof. An accusation should never be made more public than the proof
> backing it up.

What accusation? Amiga isn't "Accused" of these things, they've been "Publicly Convicted in Court" of them.

> Now, you can call me a troll as much as you want, this kind of behaviour
> still appears very duboius as long as your reasoning is objective and
> impartial.

My impartiality is MOOT. Court documents do not lie.

> No matter what we talk about, it's always dubious to make accusations but
> simply respond with "look it up yourself" as soon as there is a request for
> facts to back it up.

WHAT DO YOU REQUIRE AS PROOF?

> Giving me what I'm asking for should lie within your own interest,

Following up on the leads I've given you is in YOUR interest, not mine. I'm not trying to WIN OR LOSE an arguement, I KNOW the facts. You could too if you wanted to. it's no concern of mine really weather you want to or not.

> I really don't see the problem here.

There isn't one. if you don't want to know, that's fine. if you do, email Rich.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 132 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 16-May-2003 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (samface):
> Giving me what I'm asking for should lie within your own interest, I
> really don't see the problem here.

The problem is that anyone providing proof of something you disapprove of will automatically be accused of having fabricated that proof.

However, if you dig up the proof yourself from official verifiable documents at their place of origin, there can be no doubt of the authenticity.

So mail Rich Woods. Don't take his proof for granted. Just ask him to tell you where you can go and verify everything yourself. It's all in the public domain.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 133 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-May-2003 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (T_Bone):
I've already seen that. Now back to my question; where's the proof of Amiga Inc. beeing broke and that it would be the reason for this auction?

Hint: Two already settled cases (as in everything wrong has been made right and according to the law, the defendant should from now on be treated as any innocent legal person) and one pending (as in not settled yet and only those involved with the case knows what it's actually about) does not proove any of your theories. The *only* thing this prooves is that these court cases exist which is not in direct relation to your theory about them beeing broke. Just because a pie made of Apples tastes great, it doesn't neccessarily have to mean that a pie made out of Pears would taste just as great. You need something more, something that would link these events with each other in order to prove your theory.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 134 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-May-2003 12:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (T_Bone):
"it's no concern of mine really weather you want to or not."

Then why make the accusation and trying to convince me to begin with? This only leads back to my original point; don't make accusations without beeing able to back it up with proof.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 135 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 16-May-2003 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
Afraid they couldn't even if they wanted to.

Pst, wanna know why?

Because Amiga Inc is a licensee of the Amiga trademark. Upon
dissolution, that license and it's sub-licenses are nullified.

Don't believe me, go to http://www.uspto.gov (that is, the US Patent
and Trademark Office) and look up Amiga. The current owner of the
Amiga trademarks is in South Dakota, a subsity of Gateway. Corporate
law does not allow for the continuance of a sub-license once the
primary license holder is dissolved or liquidated. This means that
upon Amiga, Inc's dissolution, Hyperions license to any and all
property becomes null and void.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 136 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 16-May-2003 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (Nate Downes):
I believe you may be mistaken on that one. E.g. check this:

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=fjnd0t.2.5

Perhaps the records are just out of date? Not updated?`
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 137 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by amigamad on 16-May-2003 12:30 GMT
Amiga Inc have done nothing wrong and all this evidence is forged by Woods to discredit Amiga Inc and it must stop now.

If you want to kill the Amiga then carry on spreading these lies but if you want to save Amiga then forget the stuff you read on here and only listen to Bill McEwen,Fleecy Moss and ignore everyone else.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 138 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 16-May-2003 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (amigamad):
You really live up to your handle.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 139 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 16-May-2003 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Ben Yoris):
I'd have simplified the work quite a bit:

-- Cut a deal with Thendic to have MorphOS badged as AmigaOS 4.0. Do
a pure royalty-based deal, say $10 a board sold.

Congrats, cut your up-front cost and got Genesi to make you money by
selling their product to non-Amiga customers while expanding your
userbase via these sales. Sounds like a deal to me.

-- Hire Ed Hepler and Nate Downes to finish up Hombre, switching from
PA-RISC to some other core, such as ARM, SPARC or MIPS. Begin work
with bPlan to include this in the Peg2 as the southbridge as well as
for their STB and Eclipsis. Make money per system sale from chip.

(hey, shameless plug for myself, couldn't pass it up)

-- Begin selling the finished Hombre to other vendors (The RiscOS and
Atari mobo makers need an upscaled southbridge too) so you make money
from all sides, chip sales, OS sales, card sales, board sale

-- Create an Amiga branding franchise setup for resellers. They sign
up, pay a small marketing royalty (say 4%) which goes right into
marketing and advertising for your product. Congrats, your biggest
cost (ads) are now being paid for by someone else.

By this point, you are making money off of other peoples effort.
COngrats, you won.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 140 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 16-May-2003 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Wayne Hunt):
""old equipment" my ass..."

Perhaps "old" as "not used since summer 2002"?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 141 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 133 (samface):
> Hint: Two already settled cases (as in everything wrong has been made right
> and according to the law,

What on earth are you talking about? Amiga most certainly has not settled these claims. Amiga owes the landlord, still. Amiga owes the employees, still, and Amiga has still not pait their state sales tax. Just like I said.

That's not an accusation. that's Publicly verifiable fact. it's public record, simply passed on to you. The fact you see it as an "Accusation" tells me you're simply arguing against it because you don't like it. Like it or not, that's the way it is.

> does not proove any of your theories.

*What theories*??? I said nothing more than what public record states.

> The *only* thing this prooves is that these court cases exist which is not
> in direct relation to your theory about them beeing broke.

You're accusing Amiga of breaking the LAW then? Because if they ARN'T broke, then they are ILLEGALLY violating the order of the courts who told them to pay! So far you've been the only one who's just accused them of wrongdoing, I only accused them of being broke.

Where's your proof they are VIOLATING COURT ORDER because they ARNT BROKE? that's a pretty serious accusation there.

> Just because a pie made of Apples tastes great, it doesn't neccessarily have
> to mean that a pie made out of Pears would taste just as great. You need
> something more, something that would link these events with each other in
> order to prove your theory.

WHAT THEORY? They told the court they were broke. You say they arn't. You are calling them liars. I think it's time you start to dig up proof since you are the one accusing them of wrongdoing.

I didn't accuse them of anything.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 142 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by amigamad on 16-May-2003 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (T_Bone):
Stop spreading lies, there is no court documents apart from forged documents by woods whois agenda is to destroy Amiga Inc at all costs, everything is all lies and you are a disgrace to the name Amiga.

People ignore these liars and support Amiga Inc.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 143 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 16-May-2003 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (Nakkel):
No, BatB has some redeeming qualities.... (I know, it's a stretch, but
try and think on it for a moment)

On the other hand, I'd call this closer to Passions, which is nothing
but a train wreck.

(spot the man whos wife watches soap operas)
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 144 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 16-May-2003 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Janne Sirén):
That is more than possible. Last time I checked, there was no
trademark held by the WA state Amiga, Inc, only the one held by
Gateway, Inc.

Now I see one for AInc, so I stand corrected.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 145 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 16-May-2003 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (DaveP):
> Doesn't Gateway own the name? Amiga Inc bought rights to use it?

IIRC, it's been so long with alot of BS rolling out of Amiga Inc to remember clearly, Amiga Inc bought the trademark and pysical hardware stock. I believe Gateway licensed out the technology to them but kept the patents. The OS, I believe, Amiga Inc also has. It doesn't matter anymore, the community has AROS. ;)

Dammy
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 146 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 16-May-2003 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (Nate Downes):
> Don't believe me, go to http://www.uspto.gov (that is, the US Patent
> and Trademark Office) and look up Amiga. The current owner of the
> Amiga trademarks is in South Dakota, a subsity of Gateway.

I stand corrected, thanks Downix for the correction. =)

Dammy
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 147 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 16-May-2003 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (Nate Downes):
> Now I see one for AInc, so I stand corrected.

I guess I should have waited and read the entire thread before posting. ;)

Dammy
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 148 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 16-May-2003 13:47 GMT
Maybe I'm being a bit dumb here, but if the auction is being held by somebody who Amiga Inc havent paid, then why is the auction under Amiga Inc's name (and why does the website feature their logo?)

Thanks,
Ian
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 149 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Sodapop on 16-May-2003 13:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (Ian Shurmer):
Because of this:

"Gary from AI has stated on the lists that they are simply selling the old stuff in the offices that they had moved out of a year ago."
(Quoted from another site...)

They left the offices, they work at home, they sale their stuffs...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 150 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 16-May-2003 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (Sodapop):
I can't comment on whether Amiga Inc have offices or not (I don't know if they do!), or why they're selling their equipment (if the auction is being held by Amiga Inc) but comments in this thread (by jh and others) indicate that the auction is being held buy creditors.

I just wondered why the auction was under Amiga Inc's name and not IGLLC or whoevers, and why it isn't under the "seized stock" section also listed on the same website if it is being held by the creditors.

Ian
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