| [News] Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 16-May-2003 03:12 GMT by Some Farker (Edited on 2003-05-16 07:51:51 GMT by Christian Kemp) | 265 comments
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(via amiga.org) Amiga, Inc's office equipment is being auctioned off by a 3rd party auction company in Washington State. What does this portend? From the 2nd site:
"AMIGA INC
10AM - TUESDAY - JUNE 17
Preview 8-10am, Tuesday, June 17
34935 SE Douglas St, Suite 210
Snoqualmie, WA
Dot com servers, pc's, printers & late model furniture"
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 201 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Gregg on 16-May-2003 22:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 198 (Sir Lancelot Du Lac):
> > Therein lies the problem. You're quite willing to give
> > "Fleecy" the benefit of doubt when you have no other reason not to.
> In America, which is where Amiga Inc. is based, you are innocent until proven
> guilty in a court of law, so Fleecy should be given the benefit of doubt.
No he shouldn't. This is not a court of law.
"Innocent until proven guilty" is a tenet of a judicial system; one cannot take one element of that system and apply it out of context. To apply a similar argument, should we require all posts to be the tuth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? No, because people posting here are not witnesses in a court of law, just as Fleecy is not a defendant in such (well, not here, anyway...).
Yes, I'm being pedantic - just following your lead. Joust away, sirrah.
Gregg |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 202 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by gz on 16-May-2003 22:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 157 (NihilVor):
>>but the public records show that there was a dismissal
I'm completely unaware of the current legal situation with the dismissal but I'm curious... If AI doesn't owe any money to Inception group, then why has the company seized property of AI and is now auctioning it? I doubt Fleecy&Bill just gave property out of goodwill to the creditor company. From what I can tell AI is hungry enough for cash they would auction the stuff for themselves if they only could.
I'm not trying to knock your claim down, I'm just curious because of the aforementioned. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 203 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by 3seas on 16-May-2003 22:49 GMT | | Amazing....... |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 204 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 22:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 202 (gz):
As I said it is public record (read message 198 for more details). However, that doesn mean that there isn't more that we are unaware of.
>If AI doesn't owe any money to Inception group,
>then why has the company seized property of AI
>and is now auctioning it?
The claim that Inception Group is in charge of the auction is not publicly disclosed. Someone claimed to have been told about Inception's involvment, but while this is very interesting it is not proof. As far as I can tell, neither Inception nor Amiga is on record regarding this. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 205 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by NihilVor on 16-May-2003 22:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 204 (Anonymous):
Forgot to sign the above. :) |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 206 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Concerned Amiga user on 16-May-2003 23:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 117 (Wayne Hunt):
We know why. We saw the court documents. Amiga Inc was evicted from their offices and the equipment seized by the landlord to pay for back rent.
"old equipment" my ass...
That's right "old equipment". Unless AI upgraded their dos machines, these have to be maybe 300mhz. clones. Not state of the art by any means. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 207 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by dammy on 17-May-2003 03:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 198 (Sir Lancelot Du Lac):
>In Reply to Comment 171:
>> Therein lies the problem. You're quite willing to give
>> "Fleecy" the benefit of doubt when you have no other reason not to.
> In America, which is where Amiga Inc. is based, you are innocent until proven > guilty in a court of law, so Fleecy should be given the benefit of doubt.
Yes, IN A COURT OF LAW, and ANN is no court of law. The Community, OTOH, is free to think and say what they believe is true, as long as it does not voilate ANN posting rules when posting on ANN.
> Also in America, when someone is accused of something, it is up to the
> accusers to bring the evidence to the judge and jury and show it to them, not > tell the judge and jury that the "proof is out there, just go look for it". If > Rich Woods is so hell bent on proving Amiga's guilt, he should open his site
> up to EVERYONE without asking for personal information or financial donations > from "the jury". When I sit on a jury for a case in America, the prosecuter is
> not allowed to ask for donations or my home address, which Rich has done.
Hate to break it to you, the State, which the prosecuter is REPRESENTING does take contributions, called TAXES. Rich, OTOH, isn't using YOUR money to do his research. If you find this so undignified about Rich looking into this sham, go hire a lawyer and pay him out of your pocket to find the truth out.
> The problem with the nay-sayers is they keep trying to PROVE Amiga Inc.'s
> guilt to the yay-sayers without offering to give up these documents FREELY.
> Why should I have to go searching for YOUR proof?? I can care-a-less what YOU > say about Amiga Inc., eventually they will go bust or they will succeed and
> when that happens, I will know the "truth". If you want to show me this
> "truth" before natural selection shows me the "truth" then YOU need to PUT UP, > OR SHUT UP.
No, you should stop whining and do your own damn research if the research that is being presented to you, at no charge, is not of your liking.
> So far, the only freely available "proof" that has been given by Rich Woods,
> without asking me for personal information, about the Inception lawsuit are
> these too links:
> http://www.merlancia.us/amigabk/inception1.jpg
> http://www.merlancia.us/amigabk/inception2.jpg
> Now correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like that case has been dismissed
> without prejudice. Now IANAL, but if I remember correctly, dismissed cases
> generally means the plantiffs did not proove their case to the judge and
> therefore, means that Inception DID NOT WIN their case. However, IIRC, the
Your ASSuming that it wasn't the Inception who didn't request the suit to be dropped. Since Amiga Inc stated on site for another year, one would reasonably assume, without any bias, that contract between Amiga Inc and Inception was being properly fullfilled.
> without prejudice means that if they can gather more evidence to proove their > case, they can bring it back to the courts. Now if there is a REAL lawyer out > there that want's to verify this or correct me, please do.
I've heard that is correct. What you've missed, OTOH, is that Inception AGAIN filed (case #02-2-26314-3) a suit in 2002 (hint, 01-2-24879-1 was filed 2001 and then dimissed october 2001) agaist Amiga Inc. Tsk tsk tsk! Looks like someone broke their contractual obligations. Wonder who that might be?
> So far, it looks like, the only proof that has been shown by the nay-sayers is > positive for Amiga Inc. Please show your other "proof" and maybe the
> yay-sayers will actually listen, otherwise, please go find something that is
> actually productive to do, (this goes for both sides) after all, when you get > down to it, Amiga is only a business and not a religion.
Positive for Amiga Inc that they were sued (once again) by their landlord in 2002 when they were locked out of their building? Interesting logic.
> By the way, just to be completely clear: I am neiter a nay-sayer or yay-sayer, > I am simply someone who loved his A2000 and am merely interested in seeing if > someone, whoever that may be, can bring the Amiga OS back to the market again. > That's the only reason I follow the drama anymore.
Go play with AROS and be happy. ;)
Dammy |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 208 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by dammy on 17-May-2003 03:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 204 (Anonymous):
> The claim that Inception Group is in charge of the auction is not publicly
> disclosed. Someone claimed to have been told about Inception's involvment, but > while this is very interesting it is not proof. As far as I can tell, neither
> Inception nor Amiga is on record regarding this.
Interesting thing is, the auction company email states Amiga is the seller. Now I read somewhere it's US Code that the name of company which is having it's property liquidated has to be used. Even if Amiga Inc is getting the cash, which is cool, Peck can then get his hands on some money generated by this sale. ;)
Let the good times roll!
Dammy |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 209 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sir Lancelot Du Lac on 17-May-2003 06:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 201 (Gregg):
> "Innocent until proven guilty" is a tenet of a judicial system;
> one cannot take one element of that system and apply it out of context.
Much like you applied my post out of context?
> To apply a similar argument, should we require all posts to be the
> tuth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? No, because people
> posting here are not witnesses in a court of law, just as Fleecy is
> not a defendant in such (well, not here, anyway...).
Not at all, but those claiming to have "proof" should PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Which was the whole point of my post, nothing more. If you have proof, show it, if you don't, then shut up. If you want to prove it to the rest of the world so badly, then just show us the proof, don't just say, "the proof is out there" like some Fox Mulder wanna-be.
What you all are doing would be like me telling someone I have proof their spouse is cheating on them and they are idiots if they do not take my word and go research this "truth" for themselves. I'm kind enough to tell them what motel to stake out, but too damn lazy to show them the proof I already have.
If the nay-sayers want the yay-sayers to believe, they really need to put-up this "proof" they claim to have. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 210 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ian Shurmer on 17-May-2003 06:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 209 (Sir Lancelot Du Lac):
>>No, you should stop whining and do your own damn research if the research that is being presented to you, at no charge, is not of your liking.
What research is being presented free of charge with no string attached?
>>The Community, OTOH, is free to think and say what they believe is true
Yes Dammy, of course this is true, but certain people expect others to believe what they say without providing any PROOF - that is the issue here.
Iam |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 211 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ian Shurmer on 17-May-2003 06:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 210 (Ian Shurmer):
That was in reply to comment 208 of course, not 209 - sorry!
Ian Shurmer |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 212 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sir Lancelot Du Lac on 17-May-2003 06:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 207 (dammy):
> No, you should stop whining and do your own damn research if the
> research that is being presented to you, at no charge, is not of
> your liking.
What research has been presented to me? I haven't seen anything presented to me that doesn't cost me giving some guy I don't even know more information than I would like to give. I don't know this Rich Woods character so why would I want to give him my personal information? I'm not the one who's hell bent on proving to the world how "evil" Amiga Inc. are. I personally can care a less if I find out the truth now or later, as I said in my previous post, natural selection will eventually show me all the proof I need.
If you want people to believe what you say is the truth before natural selection presents it, you need to give ALL of this proof before many will believe, otherwise, just deal with the fact that everyone out there are not as "enlightened" as you are and move on with life. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 213 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ian Shurmer on 17-May-2003 06:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 171 (Wayne Hunt):
@Wayne
>>That's a bit more crude than I would put it, but yes. Absolutely spot on. There are several documentable instances of that from T-shirts to NDA materials that I have had access to in the past.
Wayne, didn't Amiga Inc pay several million dollars for the Amiga IP?
So lets get this straight - they spend millions so that they can commit fraud for a few thousand dollars... risking prosecution and ruining the rest of their possible careers. Er... right (doesn't seem that logical to me!)
I think a more likely scenario is that they simply can't afford to print T-shirts - I'm not defending them in this situation (taking money without being able to fulfil your obligations is pretty awful), but you saying they are deliberately commiting illegal acts without any proof seems a bit OTT to me, and possibly a dangerous thing to say!
Feel free to show me the truth that is coming tho Wayne, I would be most appreciative! :-)
Regards,
Ian Shurmer |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 214 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by T_Bone on 17-May-2003 06:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 212 (Sir Lancelot Du Lac):
> I'm not the one who's hell bent on proving to the world how "evil" Amiga
> Inc. are. I personally can care a less if I find out the truth now or later,
> as I (snip)
Who said anything about "evil"? We said they were broke. Why is that taken so personally? Amiga's not the only company to go broke you know. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 215 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-May-2003 07:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 209 (Sir Lancelot Du Lac):
If you want evidence, get them from Rich Woods for free.
If you don't want to get them from him, PAY a lawyer to retrieve them
or try to retrieve them yourself (by paying the Washington state of course).
We're not about to pay to reretrieve them cause you don't like them...
YOU put up or shut up... |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 216 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Uncharted on 17-May-2003 07:30 GMT | @Wayne
> Therein lies the problem. You're quite willing to give "Fleecy" the benefit of >doubt when you have no other reason not to. I'm not trying in any way to change >your mind, but I on the other hand have had over 6 years of being "Fleeced" and >other problems with Bill McEwen that I won't even get into.
Here is another problem, you and others have had all these "problems" with Amiga Inc. and individual members of management, but you never actually say what these are. Whilst that can be seen as noble, it doesn't bring anything new to the arguement.
With all due respect I have been caused problems by Amiga.org Did they steal my Credit card number? Did they ruin my career? No I got some spam via my @amiga.org address. Is that a big deal? Of course not, but it still could be considered a "problem" (if I was a real pedantic asshole :-D ).
What I'm trying to say is that in the current environment, half-hearted statments and vague comments don't help Mr. Average understand what's going on. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 217 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Vidar Langberget on 17-May-2003 07:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 200 (Nate Downes):
"Take note of a specific segment of my idea: SOUTHBRIDGE. You never
put a primary graphics system into the southbridge. The two chips
Vidar says would need to be removed (actually only 1.5 chips) are the
video system... which is no longer needed. What is needed is a
top-notch self-controlling southbridge. This is what Hombre, even
now, can provide. (would need USB and Firewire added, possibly
Ethernet as well)"
Using a cut-down version of the Hombre as a soutbridge is possibly the worst idea I've ever heard.. It would look incredibly sad compared to the modern south-bridges. What about a modern IDE controller? Or a SATA raid controller? WiFi? All these features will be coming in competing southbridges long before such a chip would be finished.
"SPARC is an ideal replacement then, as the
SPARC and PA-RISC utilize very similar co-processor control segments
(allowing one to augment their instruction set) so one could retain
the new SIMD segments of Hombre with minor changes to the interface
logic and replacement of the register files with a new, compatable,
register setup. (Admittedly, not the easiest thing in the world, but
not impossible either)"
Why use millions to develop an at best mediocre south bridge when you can buy much better stuff for much less than $20 today?
"Since 3D gfx is no longer a major concern, focus on the I/O and audio
segments of the design, which were pretty much done already (taken
from AAA) but had not been tested. Speeds up time to market
dramatically and still offers something useful today."
Useful in what sense? That it would work? It certainly wouldn't be able to compete with modern offerings.
Vidar |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 218 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Emeric SH on 17-May-2003 08:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 209 (Sir Lancelot Du Lac):
@Sir Lancelot Du Lac
Can't remember your name popping up when Amiga Inc stated things which later proved to be fake. Can't remember you demanded PROOF. Can't remember your name when Amiga Inc intentionally named and accused competing companies.
May I ask where the hell you were in 2001 August? And at the "MOS is based on sources" affair? And in various other cases, which list is not only long but ever growing at every Ray Akey or Fleecy Moss comment?
As far as I can see, there is proof only on one side. Amiga Inc. and followers just repeat "you know nothing", "you're FUDders", "liars", althought the growing heap of FACTS indicate that Amiga Inc may well be in a very gloomy position.
You sound pretty biased, one sided and pathetic to me. It's maybe the frustration, you know. Sir. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 219 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Olegil on 17-May-2003 09:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 126 (Some Farker):
Also, I'm reading his postings here and can kick his ass of the developer list within seconds if he doesn't behave ;-)
*humming a bit*
Nah, I'm a nice little moderator. I hardly ever moderate :-) |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 220 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Olegil on 17-May-2003 09:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 198 (Sir Lancelot Du Lac):
Hmm, I managed to cut'n'paste a bit wrong (had added a space) and then accidentally hit the "'" while pressing enter.
Funny.
Look here:
http://www.merlancia.us/amigabk/inception1.jpg%20'
Hmm. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 221 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 17-May-2003 09:41 GMT | @Wayne
"> Therein lies the problem. You're quite willing to give "Fleecy" the benefit of >doubt when you have no other reason not to. I'm not trying in any way to change >your mind, but I on the other hand have had over 6 years of being "Fleeced" and >other problems with Bill McEwen that I won't even get into.""
There is a very clear reason to give Fleecy the benefit of the doubt.
He is being accused.
All accused are given the benefit the doubt first & formost, Innocent until proven guilty no matter how much evidence any one has untill that evidence is pressented & judged.
Just saying you have evidence we all should convict on your say so equals nothing at all.
Show all the evidence to all intrested or shut up. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 222 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Olegil on 17-May-2003 09:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 220 (Olegil):
I also want to say that whoever is responsible for that website comes across as something of a lamer. An Anti-AI/Merlancia website with a _theme song_? Gee. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 223 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by dammy on 17-May-2003 11:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 210 (Ian Shurmer):
> Reply to Comment 208: <fixed it for you;->
>>>No, you should stop whining and do your own damn research if the research that > is being presented to you, at no charge, is not of your liking.
>
>What research is being presented free of charge with no string attached?
Other then not to leak it to Amiga Inc current/former employees since they don't know WTF is going on.
>>>The Community, OTOH, is free to think and say what they believe is true
> Yes Dammy, of course this is true, but certain people expect others to believe > what they say without providing any PROOF - that is the issue here.
It's there, it's free, it's not my problem people don't want to go to an extra few FREE steps to find out. Or they can cough up the money and do the research themselves OR go hire a professional Three options for those who are complaining, it's up to them to choose or do nothing and continue to bitch. Guess that would be a fourth option, but that won't get them the information either. ;)
Dammy |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 224 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by dammy on 17-May-2003 12:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 212 (Sir Lancelot Du Lac):
>In Reply to Comment 207:
>> No, you should stop whining and do your own damn research if the
>> research that is being presented to you, at no charge, is not of
>> your liking.
> What research has been presented to me? I haven't seen anything presented to
> me that doesn't cost me giving some guy I don't even know more information
> than I would like to give. I don't know this Rich Woods character so why would > I want to give him my personal information? I'm not the one who's hell bent on > proving to the world how "evil" Amiga Inc. are. I personally can care a less
> if I find out the truth now or later, as I said in my previous post, natural
> selection will eventually show me all the proof I need.
You could asked those who bothered to go through the validation steps if what people are saying is indeed factually based on what Mr.Woods has provided to them. Oh can't have that, then you would have less to bitch about then.
> If you want people to believe what you say is the truth before natural
> selection presents it, you need to give ALL of this proof before many will
> believe, otherwise, just deal with the fact that everyone out there are not as > "enlightened" as you are and move on with life.
So you wouldn't except those who have seen it as reliable witness? Tsk tsk tsk, that's grasping at straws to support your side. You can sit and stew all you want, the rest of us who actually aren't lazy and or paranoid dig deeper for the truth. Sucks to be you, I guess.
Dammy |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 225 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 17-May-2003 12:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 224 (dammy):
"So you wouldn't except those who have seen it as reliable witness? Tsk tsk tsk, that's grasping at straws to support your side. You can sit and stew all you want, the rest of us who actually aren't lazy and or paranoid dig deeper for the truth. Sucks to be you, I guess."
No Wrong
I would not except thoes who has said to of seen it as reliable as i dont know any of them and anyone could say they have seen it when infact they have not.
When you go to court you have to present the pager evidence in real form not by word of mouth. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 226 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by T_Bone on 17-May-2003 12:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 225 (Anonymous):
> No Wrong
> I would not except thoes who has said to of seen it as reliable as i dont
> know any of them and anyone could say they have seen it when infact they
> have not.
Guess you have no choice but to find out for yourself then. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 227 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kay on 17-May-2003 12:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 219 (Olegil):
> Also, I'm reading his postings here and can kick his ass of the developer list within seconds if he doesn't behave ;-)
A strong motivation for keeping my shut, that. But the biggest motivation is of course the knowledge that you could easily track me down, and show up on my doorstep... :-o |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 228 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by dammy on 17-May-2003 12:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 225 (Anonymous):
> No Wrong
> I would not except thoes who has said to of seen it as reliable as i dont know > any of them and anyone could say they have seen it when infact they have not.
>
> When you go to court you have to present the pager evidence in real form not
> by word of mouth.
Witness: "Yes, that's right, I saw the defendent kill his wife by stabbing her right in front of me."
Defense: "I object! The witness had no camera with him. Since he has no physical evidence to back up what he says he saw, I move for his testimony to be stricten from the record."
Judge: "Since the witness is unknown to everyone except the defendent and he doesn't have any physical evidence that he actually saw what he states that happened in front of him, objection substained. Jury will ignore the witness statement."
Get my drift? Physical evidence is great, but not needed yet witness statements can be used as evidence in a court of law. Some things weigh differently in the courts, eye witness statements can be very damning.
Dammy |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 229 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 17-May-2003 13:02 GMT | In reply to Comment 226 (T_Bone):
"Guess you have no choice but to find out for yourself then."
You if your bohering to make the accusation & expect ppl to beleave you then YOU have to provide the evidence.
"So you wouldn't except those who have seen it as reliable witness? Tsk tsk tsk, that's grasping at straws to support your side. You can sit and stew all you want, the rest of us who actually aren't lazy and or paranoid dig deeper for the truth. Sucks to be you, I guess."
If just taking some ones word of seeing it is enough then why was it nessecary to show it the ppl who said to have seen it in the first place & why is it nessecary for them to see the evidence to be convicend but not nessecary for the rest of us. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 230 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 17-May-2003 13:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 228 (dammy):
Dammy that not how it works & i wonder if you have ever been to court.
We are not talking about "kill his wife" and in any event it would not just come down to the over simplifed version of what you just said.
With no physcial evidence it get for more complicated than just eye witness.
We are talking about paper evidence here, you cant alone say that so & so had seen it with out haveing the paper evidence with you in court as unlike a person its fare harder to prove that the paper ever existed in the first place if you dont have it.
If the only evidence you have to back up any claim is the paper then you have to have that paper. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 231 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by dammy on 17-May-2003 14:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 230 (Anonymous):
> Dammy that not how it works & i wonder if you have ever been to court.
Been there, done that.
> We are not talking about "kill his wife" and in any event it would not just
> come down to the over simplifed version of what you just said.
The principal is the same.
> With no physcial evidence it get for more complicated than just eye witness.
> We are talking about paper evidence here, you cant alone say that so & so had > seen it with out haveing the paper evidence with you in court as unlike a
> person its fare harder to prove that the paper ever existed in the first place > if you dont have it.
> If the only evidence you have to back up any claim is the paper then you have > to have that paper.
For those of us who went through the additional effort to see what Rich has gathered from the courts, you can either call us, everyone one of us, untrust worthy and question our character to give an honest account of what we saw, or you can leave our words as is and deal with it.
I am stating what I saw. Others have stated what they saw. In any court, you have witness after witness give the same account of what they saw, the jury is more then likely going to believe their statements as factual and truthful. It's the ponderance of the evidence, witness statements although are not as strong as physical evidence, is certainly lawfully accepted evidence.
I realize that your demanding hard evidence in hopes to defuse the situation that is making Amiga Inc look like scumbags. You can demand all you want, the court docs are there for people to see, at no charge or they are free to spend their own money and get their very own copy of those same documents. Either stop being cheap and or lazy, or live with what we are saying.
Dammy |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 232 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Genesi Cheerleader on 17-May-2003 14:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 186 (Paul_Gadd):
The same lusers who were crowing about the (obviously) fake business card and have since been found out to be spectacularly wrong are now crowing about something they know nothing of.
Well, Wake up Lusers!
We have our A1's, many more are shipping every day.
Soon we'll have OS4.
People who left the Amiga before these lusers turned up will naturally buy an A1 rather than Pegasos.
Genesi would have had a chance in the Amiga market if they could have conducted themselves properly.
Now that bbrv & co have 'blown their cover' they will never be accepted as part of the Amiga Community.
They have ensured that morphos will be the cpm/86 of the Amiga Community.
Just feel sorry for the morph developers who were unwittingly swept up in this tide of bile and sociopathy.
So... fellow True Amigans - boot your A1's with pride and LAUGH in the face of the minions of the Axis of Evil! |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 233 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ed Dana on 17-May-2003 14:25 GMT | Sigh... What a mess...
Regards,
Ed Dana. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 234 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by dammy on 17-May-2003 15:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 232 (Genesi Cheerleader):
> So... fellow True Amigans - boot your A1's with pride and LAUGH in the face of > the minions of the Axis of Evil!
Nice to hear you love Linux so much. =)
Dammy |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 235 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 17-May-2003 15:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 232 (Genesi Cheerleader):
"The same lusers who were crowing about the (obviously) fake business card and have since been found out to be spectacularly wrong are now crowing about something they know nothing of."
lohohohoooool. How much evidence do you need to see that it's no fake? Several scans from several independant people were provided?
Poor cheerleader (bouma by any chance?) |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 236 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Olegil on 17-May-2003 16:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 232 (Genesi Cheerleader):
I resent that statement. I have never had a DOS computer, but I've had two with cp/m. IT WAS FUN! (for a total of 2 weeks, then they got scrapped for parts, hehe).
Morphos will NEVER be the cp/m of the Amiga community. It might become the OS/2, though. Good ideas, never took off. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 237 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by T_Bone on 17-May-2003 16:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 232 (Genesi Cheerleader):
> The same lusers who were crowing about the (obviously) fake business card and
> have since been found out to be spectacularly wrong are now crowing about
> something they know nothing of.
Uhh... many people have seen Garry's card. Not just "Blue people" either. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 238 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by dammy on 17-May-2003 16:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 236 (Olegil):
What does that make OS4? Amiga Inc of the computer world, nifty idea, doomed to failure? ;)
Dammy |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 239 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 17-May-2003 17:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 235 (Anonymous):
"Several scans from several independant people were provided?"
From two sources. A set of colour scans by Wayne, posted on Amiga.org, and the original poor quality black and white scan from a fax. It is quite possible that both originated from one single card.
The only way to find out if the card was genuine is to track down Garry Hare and ask him. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 240 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Genesi Cheerleader on 17-May-2003 18:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 237 (T_Bone):
'A set of colour scans by Wayne'
Humm... Yes I checked that one out. Any intermediate user of photoshop/gimp etc would be able to tell you how many layers were present - let alone that it was a very amateurish job.
Also I apologise for dirtying the name of CPM/86. I also do not wish to infer that Morphos isn't a nice platform (which it is - Hell it runs AmigaOS3.x apps!) - but that people involved in that project and their gormless and sycophantic followers have lost the plot somewhat.
I use the A1 for Linux - but I have 386 and Ultrasparc linux also so I am not overly excited about PPC Linux - but everytime I boot the machine I LAUGH in anticipation of my copy of OS4 dropping through my letterbox smug in the knowledge that it will be an oficial AMIGA operating system running on an oficial AMIGA machine. Anything else is akin to running UAE on x y or z.
My laughter is all the more STRONG and HEARTFELT as I sit in front of my A1 in the knowledge that the FUDers, spoilers and trollers know this deep down inside themselves. After all, they wouldn't get so worked up if they knew otherwise would they?
(Shields up Lt Worf!) |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 241 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Colin Camper on 17-May-2003 18:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 201 (Gregg):
' In America, which is where Amiga Inc. is based, you are innocent until proven
> guilty in a court of law'
The problem with that is that is if you are black, or worse black and poor, or worse still if deemed an illegal combatent. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 242 of 265 | ANN.lu |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 243 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by T_Bone on 17-May-2003 18:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 240 (Genesi Cheerleader):
> Humm... Yes I checked that one out. Any intermediate user of photoshop/gimp
> etc would be able to tell you how many layers were present - let alone that
> it was a very amateurish job.
So are you going to AmiWest, where Wayne will be showing the card, so you can apologise to his face for inferring he's a liar? |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 244 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Genesi Cheerleader on 17-May-2003 21:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 243 (T_Bone):
Well I don't really see the connection. The card was posted on Wayne's site and was presented 'as is'. Besides I already indicated (posting as Colin Camper)that I would offer my apologies profusely to all should the card be generally accepted to be genuine.
Besides I will also owe some guy a crate of beer also... :-(
Why single Wayne out for an apology - it's not like Garry gave the card to him personally so how would he know for sure.
Oh yeah, I forgot it's just Amiga inc and people without a grudge against them who are capable of lying. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 245 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 17-May-2003 23:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 244 (Genesi Cheerleader):
Well I don't really see the connection
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Of course you do not. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 246 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by T_Bone on 18-May-2003 04:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 244 (Genesi Cheerleader):
> Oh yeah, I forgot it's just Amiga inc and people without a grudge against them who are capable of lying.
Lets put it this way... There are those who *know* if the card is valid or not, and there are those who are only guessing.
You, are only guessing. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 247 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rich Woods on 18-May-2003 05:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 155 (Don Cox):
Posted by Don Cox (Trusted user) on 16-May-2003 17:12:15
In Reply to Comment 151:
"Also the auction is occuring at the old Amiga Inc facility, you have to believe that for a year (but remember they didnt fess up to that for much longer) Amiga has been out of that facility, but their landlord has been letting them keep stuff there without paying rent."
The landlord may well do that, because most of the offices in the block are untenanted. It would pay them to be nice to any tenant so long as there is the slightest chance they will start paying rent again.
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But then you are not going to give free rent on "chances". The landlord is a businessperson also - and most likely has heard all the stories also. And is quite familiar with "I'll pay you" and then seeing bankruptcy filings within days or whatever.
Alas even in the Merlancia (Old Cactus Road Strip Mall) 1/2 or better are vacant.
One MAJOR EXPENSIVE building in downtown Phoenix 2800 Central Ave has a vacancy rate of 40%!
Landlords will be nice to tenants if tenants are HONEST with them - same old tired sorry excuses and well let's say - "You can't bullshit a bullshitter"...
I doubt with a second "Writ of Detainer" in 1 year Inception Co. wasn't really about to believe Amiga, Inc.
Let's face it - if the "loyal" users can't (t-shirts come to mind) - why should the landlord - with bounced checks and false promises - "slightest chances" mean join our list of "sent to collection" and look at our D&B rating.
Figures don't lie and liars don't figure. |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 248 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rich Woods on 18-May-2003 05:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 24 (jh):
Posted by jh (216.127.82.97) on 16-May-2003 06:23:38
In Reply to Comment 4:
"I can just see the comments coming.. Doom and gloom from people who know nothing about why. :)"
Tell the truth Ray. Amiga has NOTHING to DO with this auction. Didn't any of you notice that this auction is NOT being hosted by AMIGA, but by one of it's CREDITORS?
Yes, that's right. Amiga's old landlord! Amiga will get NOTHING from this auction, and they are powerless to stop it one way or the other. Funny how they'll "spin" this as a management decision.
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Seems SOMEONE knows basic landlord-tenant law.
http://www.merlancia.us/amigabk
for screenshots of the State of WA Superior Court computer systems screen -
there are judgements agaisnt Amiga and also a collection from Airborne Express.
Their Dun and Bradstreet rating isn't helping any either.
Hey American Airlines, Bethlehem Steel and many other major corporations are hitting the skids.
Amiga, Inc is in the death throes at this point - SAD but true. Their credit and financial profile tells the WHOLE story.
Hey people - that's the BUSINESS world and how it WORKS! |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 249 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 18-May-2003 06:15 GMT | | What a waste of time |
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| Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 250 of 265 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 18-May-2003 06:16 GMT | | bah |
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