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[News] Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off?ANN.lu
Posted on 16-May-2003 03:12 GMT by Some Farker (Edited on 2003-05-16 07:51:51 GMT by Christian Kemp)265 comments
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(via amiga.org) Amiga, Inc's office equipment is being auctioned off by a 3rd party auction company in Washington State. What does this portend? From the 2nd site:

"AMIGA INC
10AM - TUESDAY - JUNE 17
Preview 8-10am, Tuesday, June 17
34935 SE Douglas St, Suite 210
Snoqualmie, WA

Dot com servers, pc's, printers & late model furniture"

Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 51 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-May-2003 05:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (greenboy):
greenboy wrote:

> Garry Hare will deliver the check personally.

Uh, given the history, better make that *cash*. :-)

-- gary_c
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 52 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by jh on 16-May-2003 05:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (NihilVor):
"That has been a rumor that has been going around; it doesn’t change the fact that they appear to have downsized and didn’t really need a large office. I’m not calling you a liar but the court case with Inception was thrown out by the judge. Also, if you called them, as you claim, you must have had a jump on this news because it is early in the morning. Also, Amiga appears to be doing this in their name. If you ask for the auction book you’ll have a good sense of what they are selling and can then draw your own conclusion as to the extent of the sell-off."

No this is NOT rumor, it's only a rumor untill YOU verify it, which I insist you do. I knew about this since wednesday when I cancelled my half-hearted attempts at a class action, once the lawyer laughed and told me there was a VERY long line for creditors. (that, and only two people besides myself were interested)

As for the court case brought by IGLLC, that's in the public domain.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 53 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 16-May-2003 05:40 GMT
I encourage those who can to go buy this junk so that Amiga Inc can extend their lifetime for a couple of more months. Do it for Amiga, people!
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 54 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Paul_Gadd on 16-May-2003 05:40 GMT
Will everyone who attends the auction recieve a free Amiga T-shirt with every bid or maybe they are auctioning all the T-shirts for use after having a number 2 :o)
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 55 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-May-2003 05:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (dammy):
Doesn't Gateway own the name? Amiga Inc bought rights to use it?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 56 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga Inc fan on 16-May-2003 06:03 GMT
Amiga INC are the titanic heading towards an iceburg with the apologists rushing to get in the life boats.

AMIGA INC IS BROKE.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 57 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 16-May-2003 06:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Amiga Inc fan):
Nah - you all have it all wrong - they are finally doing the honest thing and selling _everything_ to pay to get some t-shirts printed and sent out - that would be the only sensible thing to do right? Get those t-shirts shipped? After all thats why we parted with $ right?

:)
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 58 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 16-May-2003 06:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (gary_c):
gary_c:

Amiga CEO Bill McEwen will be at AmigaWest, can't get much more public than that..
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 59 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-May-2003 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Ray A. Akey):
Ray A. Akey wrote:

> Amiga CEO Bill McEwen will be at AmigaWest, can't get much more public than that..

I'm skeptical, but if he does appear, it should be very interesting if he fields questions from the crowd.

-- gary_c
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 60 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Desmon on 16-May-2003 06:19 GMT
I wonder what they'll get for the floor polisher?

Cache Ya,
Craig.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 61 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 06:20 GMT
So they sell old furniture and old computers old prointers etc. I don't see any notes that they have problems, they just seell what they don't need anymore. maybe they now have new furnitures, computers etc ? Why that should mean that they have some problems ?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 62 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 06:23 GMT
So they sell old furniture and old computers old printers etc. I don't see any notes that they have problems, they just sell what they don't need anymore. maybe they now have new furnitures, computers etc ? Why that should mean that they have some problems ? You guys seem to be really desperate to find prrof that AInc has some financial problems....
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 63 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 06:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
> So they sell old furniture and old computers old prointers etc. I don't see
> any notes that they have problems,

http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/scene-04.html
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 64 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga Inc Cheerleader on 16-May-2003 06:36 GMT
Amiga Inc are on their last legs trying to pull the wool over their massive fan base, do not be fooled people.

Bye Bye Bastards Inc you wont be missed.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 65 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 06:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Amiga Inc Cheerleader):
Yeesh! Lighten up francis!
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 66 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Wacko Worshipping Jacko on 16-May-2003 06:44 GMT
People will never EVER see that $50 and $100 from the coupon sham.

There was loads of warning about your gods and you ingored it, i urge people to not purchase Amigaone hardware because AOS4 will not come out now Ainc is dead.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 67 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 16-May-2003 06:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
> Anon :
>So they sell old furniture and old computers old prointers etc. I don't see any notes that they have problems, they just seell what they don't need anymore. maybe they now have new furnitures, computers etc ? Why that should mean that they have some problems ?

Maybe you should read the entire thread and investigate the veracity of JH's statements in various comments here...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 68 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 06:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Wacko Worshipping Jacko):
Some people try to use every oportunity :P Hyperion can release OS4 even if there would be no Ainc anymore.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 69 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-May-2003 06:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Wacko Worshipping Jacko):
You now go too far troll.

AOS4 and A1 are not Amiga Inc products and have legal protection ( transfer of rights ) if Amiga Inc goes tits-up.com.

The club membership/t-shirt issue is seperate and has been discussed to death.

This creditor sale of .com junk is also seperate.

What have you got against AOS4 and A1 so much that you would spread such obvious trash?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 70 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 06:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (greenboy):
Well i don't even know who jh is and i don't knopw if he is telling the truth. There is so much FUD in this community these days that you can't be sure.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 71 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 16-May-2003 06:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Anonymous):
>Well i don't even know who jh is and i don't knopw if he is telling the truth. There is so much FUD in this community these days that you can't be sure.

That's why I said the word "investigate".
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 72 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 16-May-2003 07:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (greenboy):
Agreed. There should be enough information (on here and elsewhere) for everyone to form an own opinion. All this talk of "FUD" would be pointless if people did some research on their own.

Sometimes, I'm thinking that part of what ANN should do (or rather, what I should do as the owner and operator of ANN) is to investigate and summarize whatever is going on, and save my visitors the trouble to wade through endless threads and other sites, but then again, I lack the time and some of the inside connections to be able to act as a "reporter", rather than just a "webmaster" and "moderator".

(That being said, I'd really like to get to Sacramento and report on whatever events take place there. Anyone willing to sponsor the flight and get my boss to give me some additional days off? :)
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 73 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Paul_Gadd on 16-May-2003 07:24 GMT
AmigaONE or Amiga OS4 has nothing whatsoever to do with Amiga Inc or the auction so your either missinformed or just trying to start up the flamewars (yet again.

So the world may know.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 74 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 07:24 GMT
Oh man, the weekly Q&A questions are becoming interesting indeed! Fleecy's going to need a few beers after this session!

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=561&forum=10
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 75 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 07:34 GMT
I have to admit that when i read this thread it looks wery worrying, but I REALLY would like to have confirmation from someone who can be trusted, not just someon who happens to write here.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 76 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 07:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Anonymous):
Why not just simply confirm the info like the man said? Do you people not have telephones or web access? You can bring a camel to water...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 77 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by amigamad on 16-May-2003 07:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Anonymous):
Ask Mr Fleecy Moss, he is such the best person to ask and he is the most honest person i have ever seen in the Amiga community and he will never lie to you.

This site should be MNN (Morph News Network).
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 78 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 07:55 GMT
Maybe it's The Amiga Curse again :( AmigaInc would follow the Commodore, Escom, Gateway... All who own Amiga will loose their money and/or die... Wo will be next Genesi ?

Blah, I'm too optimistic so that i could believe things things like that :)
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 79 of 265ANN.lu
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Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 80 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 16-May-2003 08:28 GMT
If I had been Amiga Inc. back to early 2000 :

- I would have raised money from venture capitalists (as they really did)

- I'd have hired the Amijoe Card (G3+SDRAM for 1200) project, paid to finish it and paid for an A4000/A3000 version. The boards would have been sold by Amiga Inc. under the Amiga brand. First revenues would have come.

- I'd have contracted with one of the PCI manufacturors (Elbox, DCE, Matay) to make an Amiga branded PCI adaptor for 1200 and 4000. Those would have been sold through Amiga Inc. under the Amiga brand too. More revenues.

- I'd have contracted with Hyperion to include Warp3D and demoes of Heretic II and the soon to come Shogo with PCI adapter. Would have helped to sell more Amiga PCI adapter and AmiejoeCard. Synergy : games + ppc + hard = more revenues.

- The community has now a reasonnable basis of Amiga PPC (603/604 or G3) and 3D boards (Permedia 2 and Voodoo3 and maybe more). Time to list the features of Amiga OS 4.0 PPC with the right people at the time.

- As Amijoe Card, Blizzard PCC or Cyberstorm PPC are still selling, introduce after a few months an early alpha version of OS 4 PPC which is at the time a 68k emulator with first recompiled versions of basic libraries. The alpha demo is given away freely thanks to the cover CDs of the AMiga paper magazines.

- Begin to look around for a PPC only mother board. Notice bPlan or Mai Logic.

- First version of OS4 for classic hardware is ready. It is at the moment just a big emulator as was the first MacOS for PPC Apple. But it's faster and introduce some new technologies : DOS, RTG, AHI, Warp3D. The OS is sold standalone or in EOM with the PPC turbo boards for classic computer : more revenues.

- Introduce the selected first PPC only mother board to the public. Interest grows for this next generation Amiga.

- OS 4.1 is on tracks, it's being rewritten little by little : Exec, lib system, RTG etc... The first version of OS 4.1 is targeted to be sold in OEM with the new motherboard and in standalone version for the classic hardware.

- OS 4.1 and the new hardware is released : more revenues

Then we're 2003, some revenues has come from :

- AmijoeCard
- official Amiga PCI interfaces
- OS 4.0
- OS 4.1 and PPC motherboard.

Of course, this planning is ideal and it's very easy to recreate history with a bunch of "if...".
But I think Amiga Inc. made a BIG mistake right from the start. It's clear now that they only wanted the name Amiga and drag some developers to create the DE and some software for the DE.

But... it didn't worked that way. Interest for the DE was very low, and look now : after 3 years DE isn't finished and only a few games have been released.

Amiga Inc. should have started with what they had : a community of people ready to buy new hardware and new software back in 2000. The Amijoecard needed some work on the memory controller. It could have been finished provided a reasonnable amount of money and time. It would have been a nice booster for old A1200 and A4000 while waiting for the new PPC motherboard.
Also, a first Amiga OS 4 in the same way as Amithlon but for PPC whould have been a nice starter while waiting for a real-rewritten-from-scratch native PPC OS.

Then, after building on the concrete slab of classic hardware the new mother board would have come and represented after some time a new larger concrete slab to build on.

Then, it would have been time to introduce something like the DE and enlarge the potential of the Amiga OS to other markets.

I really think now that Amiga Inc. did exactly the contrary of what they should have done. Start from the Amiga loyal base and enlarge.
It is clear they had no interest into the Amiga hardware and the Amiga OS. They only wanted the DE, and this is only efforts such as Morphos and Amiga OS 4 that finally convinced them that they could earn a bit of money with them.

I'm a bit frustrated because at the begining Amiga Inc. raised quite some money. If this money had been invested into something concrete such as new hardware (Amijoe Card, new PPC mobo etc...) and new software (PCI drivers, Warp3D, games, OS 4, OS 4.1 as described before) they would have had money BACK. At least more than what the DE brought back now...

I'm sure a lot won't agree with me. Please don't flame or troll. I've just given my personnal opinion and it should be appreciated as such and not otherwise.

Bye,
Ben Yoris
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 81 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-May-2003 08:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Ben Yoris):
Theres only one flaw with that, IIRC Amiga Inc raised the finance on the back
of Tao Groups introduction which meant that they were financed on an Amiga DE vision.

If you get money like that for a business plan and then turn about and spend the money on something else you will get taken to the cleaners by your investors within weeks of them finding out.

Aminos hands as far as I can see it, were tied into selling the DE right from the moment they got their finance. Not saying they did that against their will or anything ( they truly believed it ) but the cuffs were on from that point until refinance time , and even then you are beholden to the original plan.

Regards

Dave.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 82 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 16-May-2003 08:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (dammy):
Nah, 30,000$ (I can't remember exactly, could be 20) debt to the landlord...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 83 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 16-May-2003 08:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (DaveP):
I didn't have this info. For sure an important one. Thanks.

Anyway, back in 2000 with a solid business plan I'm still believing this would have been possible.

Bye,
Ben
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 84 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 16-May-2003 08:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (DaveP):
and the only person willing to finance AmigaOS stuff went to capture the other opportunity....
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 85 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 16-May-2003 08:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Ray A. Akey):
RAA> Doom and gloom from people who know nothing about why. :)

Mr. Akey, would you be so kind to tell us what is that "why", so we don't have to speculate?

Ferrán.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 86 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Ferry):
Apparently, nobody at Amiga knows why, as it looks like this is a third party auction. This is probably the first they've heard about it.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 87 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 16-May-2003 09:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (T_Bone):
TB> Apparently, nobody at Amiga knows why, as it looks like this is a third party auction. This is probably the first they've heard about it.

So Mr. Akey comment "Doom and gloom from people who know nothing about why" was a recursive one, wasn't it? At least, it is until Mr. Akey gives a direct answer...

Ferrán.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 88 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 16-May-2003 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Ben Yoris):
"But I think Amiga Inc. made a BIG mistake right from the start. It's clear now that they only wanted the name Amiga and drag some developers to create the DE and some software for the DE."

Amiga Inc was set up to make a business based on fleecy's ideas.

These were probably much easier to sell to venture capitalists than the kind of plan Ben suggests, even if that would have created a more successful business. IMO the big problem with the DE is that it relies on IP from another company (Tao). The previous plans to base a new Amiga OS on BeOS or QNX have the same defect.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 89 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-May-2003 09:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (dammy):
Please... I've bought office equipment from the biggest TeleCom business in Scandinavia, that's hardly any proof of them having no office or that they would be bancrupt. We have approx. 2000 employees and around 20-25 offices located all over Sweden (that's only counting the customer service part of our business). But I can see how this suits your distorted view of the reality and you find this to be a perfect opportunity to spread your anti Amiga Inc. propaganda... *sigh*
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 90 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (samface):
Who said they were bankrupt? Just because they're broke, their former landlord is selling off the furniture Amiga left after being locked out to try to recoup money Amiga was ordered to pay, doesn't mean they're bankrupt.

You can be broke without filing for bankruptcy, you know.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 91 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-May-2003 09:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (T_Bone):
I didn't mean "bancrupt" as in the legal term "bancrupt", only out of cash in general or whatever anyone would make out of jumping into conclusions like that.

Why is it so difficult to stick to the simple facts; they are selling used office equipment. Why do you always have to make some weird theories out of everything?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 92 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (samface):
Actually, Spamface, "they" as in AInc are NOT selling office furniture.

It is one of AInc's CREDITORS who is holding the auction in order to recover some of the money AInc owe them and have steadfastly refused to pay, despite losing a court case compelling them to pay up.

You were saying...?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 93 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by DruggedBunny on 16-May-2003 09:49 GMT
> I've bought office equipment from the biggest TeleCom business in Scandinavia, that's hardly any proof of them having no office or that they would be bancrupt.

Of course a company that size can and will sell off their old office equipment as they replace ; Amiga Inc hardly compares to the largest telecomms company in Scandinavia! I would also hope they'd attend to their customers' purchases before buying themselves comfortable new chairs, too...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 94 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga Inc defenders are to late on 16-May-2003 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (samface):
Samface your heroes are going bust, i know it must break your heart but the facts are there plain to see so please wipe away the tears and drop the AmigaInc defending as you are to late.

Ding Dong the witch is dead, which old witch? The Amiga Inc witch.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 95 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 16-May-2003 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (samface):
> I didn't mean "bancrupt" as in the legal term "bancrupt", only out of cash
> in general or whatever anyone would make out of jumping into conclusions
> like that.

Oh. Well it's obvious they're out of cash. Employees haven't been paid, taxes haven't been paid, and rent hasn't been paid. There's no question there. they arn't bankrupt though.

> Why is it so difficult to stick to the simple facts;

It's pretty simple, those are the facts.

> they are selling used office equipment. Why do you always have to make some
> weird theories out of everything?

What wierd theories? you've never heard of a company being short of cash before? Where were you during the Dot-Bomb? it's pretty common actually.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 96 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by amigamad on 16-May-2003 10:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (T_Bone):
You people make me sick, Amiga Inc are a brilliant company being attacked by morphos zealots like yourself because they are no1.

Amiga Inc are the best in the west.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 97 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by RC on 16-May-2003 10:10 GMT
It has to do with them not payong their office bills...considering they were kicked out of their offices in Luly/August 2002....what would you do if you were their landlord?

This isn't a lie. This isn't a joke. This is the hard, sad reality.

"We're on schedule and rockin'".."We'll be at AmiWest to show you our great new products." Horsesh!t.

Amiga lost their offices. Bill lost his wife. He has a nice motorcylcle and a list a mile long of people trying to collect his debts. Some friendly, some in court of law, some on their way there now.

I'm sorry, but anyone who has faith in Bill McEwen is in my honest opinion a complete and total fool.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 98 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 16-May-2003 10:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Atheist2):
@Atheist2

I've always tried to "teach" that "do not hold your breath on any Amiga related thing". Life goes smoother that way.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 99 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-May-2003 10:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (amigamad):
Definately a spoof.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 100 of 265ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 97 (RC):
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