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[News] AmigaOS on Tour 2003ANN.lu
Posted on 18-May-2003 20:41 GMT by Jürgen Schober86 comments
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AmigaOS 4.0 on display across Europe. point.design präsentiert die aktuelle AmigaOS 4.0 Version als Preview in einer Raodshow durch Europa:

Die AmigaOS 4.0 Tour findet am

07. Juni, BOF Multimedia Store, Ljubljana, Slowenien
14. Juni, Amiga Club Augsburg, Deutschland
28. Juni, BOF Shopping-Center West, Graz, Österreich
05. Juli, Amiga Alpe Adria, Udine, Italien
05. Juli, Amont Informatique, Toulouse, Frankreich

statt.

Geplant ist die Vorführung AmigaOS auf CyberStorm PPC (PPC Native Kernel!) sowie aktuelle AmigaOS 4.0 Komponenten wie Roadshow, AmigaInput, Mount-Rainer (CD/RW), etc. im neuen AmigaOS 4.0 Design.

Außerdem werden zahlreiche AmigaOne G3/G4 Computer vorgeführt werden.

Weitere Überaschungen sind in Vorbereitung.

Mehr Information unter http://www.oase.at/amigaos4ontour.html und auf unseren Partner-Web-Sites.

Wir freuen uns auf Euren Besuch!

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point.design presents the AmigaOS 4.0 on Tour roadshow accross Europe.

Several events will take place on

June, 7th, BOF Multimedia Store, Ljubljana, Slowenia
June, 14th, Amiga Club Augsburg, Germany
June, 28th, BOF, Shopping-Center West, Graz, Austria
July, 5th, Amiga Alpe Adria, Udine, Italy
July, 5th, Amont Informatique, Toulouse, France

The planing so far goes to have AmigaOS4.0 running on a CyberStorm PPC (with a native PPC kernel), as well as having current modules like Roadshow, AmigaInput, Mount-Rainer (CD/RW), etc. with the new AmigaOS4.0 design on display.

Also you will find various AmigaOne G3/G4 Machines on the show.

More surprises are on schedule.

Please visit http://www.oase.at/amigaos4ontour.html and our partner web sites for more information.

We are looking forward to see you at the show(s)!

Jürgen Schober
point.design
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 1 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 18-May-2003 18:47 GMT
Can i just say: Whoooohoooooo!. Damn, that gonna be the best news in a long time.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 2 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 18-May-2003 18:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Lasse Bodilsen):
God damn, I just asked Hans-Jörg about something (ok, it was about a fix to the Linux serial driver so it wouldn't find the mysterious non-existant ttyS2 on a 16450 we don't have), and he replied he's been to busy but I should know this from the news. Eh? Swap over to Opera and check ANN. Hmm, nothing. Ey, what's this? I've deleted my cookies. Enable unmoderated, and what do I see? Woo hooo! :-)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 3 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 18-May-2003 18:55 GMT
So when is OS4 going to be shown (natively) on a A1?

Dammy
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 4 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 18-May-2003 19:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (dammy):
Presumably when it's done? It's always been supposed to be out for CSPPC first, so I'm not entirely certain what you're whining for?
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 5 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-May-2003 19:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Olegil):
Why do they call it OS4 on tour when they bring lots of linux machines with them?
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 6 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 18-May-2003 19:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
So you have something to whine about?

Because they couldnt fill the entire showroom with CSPPC machines?

Because they like linux more than OS4?

Because they wanna show the hardware that is going to run OS4?

Because all their CSPPC cards are in for repair?

Because (fill in your own reason here)?
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 7 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 18-May-2003 19:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
I don't get it. He says the goal is to show OS4 running natively on CSPPC, and he'll bring a couple of AmigaOnes with him. How did you manage to put a negative spin on that? Cheesus, dude. Get a life.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 8 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-May-2003 19:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
Please, no, this thread doesn't have to become a flamewar too.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 9 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 18-May-2003 19:43 GMT
Great news! Nothing more to say, really.
.
SlimJim
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 10 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Dammmy on 18-May-2003 19:56 GMT
STOP IT AMIGA INC!!!! CAN'T YOU PEOPLE SEE???? THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO KILL OFF MORPH OS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP THEM PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 11 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by greeenboy on 18-May-2003 20:00 GMT
STOP IT AMIGA INC!!!! CAN'T YOU PEOPLE SEE???? THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO KILL OFF MORPH OS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP THEM PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 12 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by greeenboy on 18-May-2003 20:00 GMT
STOP IT AMIGA INC!!!! CAN'T YOU PEOPLE SEE???? THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO KILL OFF MORPH OS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP THEM PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 13 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by greeenboy on 18-May-2003 20:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (greeenboy):
DAMMMY BEAT ME TO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 14 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by greeenboy on 18-May-2003 20:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (greeenboy):
DAMMMY BEAT ME TO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 15 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 18-May-2003 20:18 GMT
@ comment 10,11,12,13,14

geesh man, two words...grow up!
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 16 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-May-2003 20:21 GMT
must be bad news for some, $50 bucks mos csppc/bppc is released this summer :)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 17 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by NeRP on 18-May-2003 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
Sounds like a good waste of beer money. I don't even drink, but I'll
start rather than buy MorphOS

This is an AmigaOS thread. MorphOS had nothing to do with this.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 18 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-May-2003 20:40 GMT
Great news! I hope to see it running on A1 soon too.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 19 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 18-May-2003 20:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
So do I. :-)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 20 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 18-May-2003 20:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
And not just ANY AmigaOne either.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 21 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 18-May-2003 20:52 GMT
Great news...

Hopefully we will see an OS4 presentation in Denmark aswell pretty soon...

;-)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 22 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 18-May-2003 21:04 GMT
I'm anxiously awaiting reviews. It's good to see this surging ahead amid the doom.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 23 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 18-May-2003 21:05 GMT
Sounds cool. They must be getting very close to a cyberstormppc release. Good to hear.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 24 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 18-May-2003 23:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Olegil):
> In Reply to Comment 3:
> Presumably when it's done?

Well doh! I was looking for a rough date when it will be running natively. I'm kinda shocked that nothing is given for a release date since it's now being showed off on PPC based Amigas. I would have figure that Hyperion would have a good idea on what is left and how long it will be before they can release it for A1s. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, have someone translate it to your native tongue.

> It's always been supposed to be out for CSPPC first, so I'm not entirely
> certain what you're whining for?

So asking a question on OS4 is automatic whining now? Or are you just using babblefish to translate all this? Either your not getting the proper translation, or your just being sensitive and overly caustic to my question. Either way, your not doing justice to Hyperion/Eyetech.

Dammy
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 25 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 18-May-2003 23:56 GMT
At long last, if this news is correct, a REAL OPERATING SYSTEM will become available. (Previous versions of AOS count as REAL OS's, but AOS4.0 has modern features we need.)

I have now used w98se, xp and linux.

According to the SUSE version I have, the "ram disk" is an unknown concept to them (and here we are in the year 2003), as well as w98se, so they are not os's. Xp DOES NOT do what I request it to do (I've adjusted parameters in the registry, and on re-boot, it IGNORED them). Period. It IS NOT an os. Doesn't have a ram disk, either.

AOS4.0 will bring back FUN to computing.

Ram disk, rad:, no shut down procedure, no constant re-booting, after adding drivers, probably never see "safe mode" re-boots, and no INSTALL WIZARDS/REGISTRY!!!! A real command line interface (shell). I won't have to "log-in" to use MY machine. I'll know where my programs are. I'll be able to disable access to the internet, without a firewall program. If I want a program in the ram disk, that's where it'll be! NO BLOAT! Access to cd-r and cd-rw through the shell, you won't need some 4+ meg monstrosity to write to cd's. If you need to re-install AOS4.0, if you copied the DH0: to a cd right after a clean install, copying it back over, will take 20 seconds!!! Hopefully the graphics card drivers won't take 65 megs of HD space, like directx8.1 needs.
This is just off the top of my head, but there's SO much more to it, isn't there?

I just wish the A1 had 16 megs of flashrom, so that you could boot-up WAY FAST!!! :))))

AmigaOne! Humiliating the competition!!!!!
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 26 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by AmigaGuy on 19-May-2003 00:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Atheist2):
@Atheist2

You could always get one of these:

http://www.bitmicro.com/products_edisk_35_ide.php

Maybe just one in the 521meg to 1gig range just to use a your boot partition :)

AmigaGuy
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 27 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 19-May-2003 00:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (AmigaGuy):
Thanks AmigaGuy.

I e-mailed them to find out their prices of 8 gig. and lower e-disks.

AmigaOne! Instant on? Close, so close.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 28 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 19-May-2003 00:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Atheist2):
"At long last, if this news is correct, a REAL OPERATING SYSTEM will become available. (Previous versions of AOS count as REAL OS's, but AOS4.0 has modern features we need.) "

AOS 4 will still lack critical stuff. But it's a step in the right direction.

"I have now used w98se, xp and linux.

According to the SUSE version I have, the "ram disk" is an unknown concept to them (and here we are in the year 2003), as well as w98se, so they are not os's."

Wow. This must be quite a shock to the hundreds of millions of people who run programs on them. With acres of Hard drive space for pennies, one would think that cramming stuff into RAM would be a thing of the past. But reading further on...

Xp DOES NOT do what I request it to do (I've adjusted parameters in the registry, and on re-boot, it IGNORED them). Period. It IS NOT an os. Doesn't have a ram disk, either.


"AOS4.0 will bring back FUN to computing. "

Fun comes in applications and what you do with them. I can have "fun" with a Commodore 1, an EMSAI 8080 or a P4/3.02ghz. Unless you're some freak like Steve G. of c.s.a.m. infamy who seems to think that the be-all end-all of computing is opening and closing windows and menus to "feel the responsiveness."

"Ram disk, rad:, no shut down procedure, no constant re-booting"

Like my poor little P200 Win2k server here that I have to reboot constantl...oh, wait...let me check...nope, 124 days of uptime. Guess you must mean my desktop syste...erk, no, sorry, 65 days of uptime.

", after adding drivers, probably never see "safe mode" re-boots,"

Yes, god forbid you have the ability to go in and un-f**k things because no program has ever lunched the startup-sequence or corrupted it so you had to get in and work on things. Except they did. And you do.

" and no INSTALL WIZARDS/REGISTRY!!!! "

*cough, splutter* How's that? Come again? Right, the Installer was just a figment of our imaginations or a nightmare or something, right?


"A real command line interface (shell)."

I have one too. See?

"I won't have to "log-in" to use MY machine."

Because non-multi user environments are the wave of the future and a sure route to securing professional interest in an OS.

"I'll know where my programs are. I'll be able to disable access to the internet, without a firewall program."

Listen carefully: firewall *good*.

"If I want a program in the ram disk, that's where it'll be!"

Meh. I can download a ram-disk program and use it on my PC, yet I don't. Why? Because I don't have to. 120gb of HD space is *cheap*

"NO BLOAT! Access to cd-r and cd-rw through the shell, you won't need some 4+ meg monstrosity to write to cd's."

If you think that 4+ megs for a program is a "monstrosity" in this day and age, then perhaps you should go back to your 512k/512k A500...

"If you need to re-install AOS4.0, if you copied the DH0: to a cd right after a clean install, copying it back over, will take 20 seconds!!!"

Because you've done it so many times, right? Oh! Wait a second, I thought the mana-from-heaven OS4 won't ever require a reinstall! Oh what will we do!

"Hopefully the graphics card drivers won't take 65 megs of HD space, like directx8.1 needs."

Yeah, because god forbid you have a graphic subsystem that addresses virtually every card made, right? Furthermore, 65mb of HD space is *nothing*. Or would you prefer we go back to $400 for a 120mb HD?

"This is just off the top of my head, but there's SO much more to it, isn't there?"

More than you're apparently aware of.

Look, while AOS4 will be nice, and have a small footprint, it will hopefully have much more in common with *modern* OS's than you think. I for one hope it will have a proper multi-user environment, a "safe-mode" and a "rollback mode". MacOS has all of these, as do every other OS in the world in some fashion or another. That you can't get your head around their need is in no way an indictment of them as not being useful.

"I just wish the A1 had 16 megs of flashrom, so that you could boot-up WAY FAST!!! :)))) "

And then you wouldn't need a DIRTY DIRTY HARD DRIVE! :rolls eyes:

"AmigaOne! Humiliating the competition!!!!!"

What competition? It's not going to "compete" with anything. What, do you think some giant corporation or government entity is going to drop what they're using now and scoop up AOS4?

Not hardly.

Enjoy it for what it will be, but save your rants for c.s.a.m.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 29 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 19-May-2003 01:04 GMT
Now what is Point Design and how does it relate to Hyperion? (I really don't know - someone fill me in here.)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 30 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 19-May-2003 01:33 GMT
Hmm... no Finland, allthough we have a rather big userclub here with lots of active members. Not even one AmigaOne in Finland so promotion would be nice. Well.. a small country with drunken people, I understand.. not worth anyones time I quess :)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 31 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 19-May-2003 02:09 GMT
any guesses from knowledgeble people about how long it will take them to get all the classic chipset dependencies out of the aos modules so it can run on amiga one? and beta test/refine it so it has high level of compability with 3.1 68k applications?

My guess is 6-10 months. your mileage may vary.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 32 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 19-May-2003 02:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (hooligan/dcs):
Hooligan: there are couple AmigaOne-SE:es here.. (3?) but their users have not been too active on demostrating them around. For XE.s you are right. There is not *a single one* and I think it'll be way over Xmas before there's even first..
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 33 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 19-May-2003 02:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Some Farker):
Hi Some Farker. Nice hearing from you.

>AOS 4 will still lack critical stuff. But it's a step in the right direction.

For now, yes. I'm hopeful it won't take very long for some of the essential things to become available.

> Wow. This must be quite a shock to the hundreds of millions of
> people who run programs on them.

For some strange reason, SUSE linux came with PySol. It starts, then quits, 8 seconds later, by itself.

"AOS4.0 will bring back FUN to computing. "

> Unless you're some freak like Steve G. of c.s.a.m.
> infamy who seems to think that the be-all end-all of
> computing is opening and closing windows and menus to "feel the responsiveness."

Lol :))

> Like my poor little P200 Win2k server here that I have to
> reboot constantl...oh, wait...let me check...nope, 124 days
> of uptime. Guess you must mean my desktop syste...erk, no, sorry, 65 days of uptime.

Some peple have all the luck. My system seems stable too. Then, a couple of days ago, it booted up in 640*480, so I shut it down and re-booted, it said "saving your settings", then shut down. I didn't change anything at all. When it re-booted, it was in 1280*1024, again?!?

> Yes, god forbid you have the ability to go in and un-f**k
> things because no program has ever lunched the startup-sequence
> or corrupted it so you had to get in and work on things. Except they did. And you do.

Well, we would be able to boot off of a 1.44 meg floppy, if it had 16 megs of flash rom.

> *cough, splutter* How's that? Come again? Right, the Installer
> was just a figment of our imaginations or a nightmare or something, right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can still manually install a program?

> I have one too. See?

Curious thing about the ms-dos prompt in w98se. When the autoexec.bat started, xcopy worked one way, then, after w98se was launched and you open the ms-dos window, it worked another way. Made using w98se useless for me.

> Because non-multi user environments are the wave of the future
> and a sure route to securing professional interest in an OS.

I choose to "wave" goodbye to it.

> Listen carefully: firewall *good*.

Yes, while the browser is working, but if the broswer/e-mail program is quit, your computer has no business receiving and responding to signals from the ethernet card.

> Meh. I can download a ram-disk program and use it on my PC,
> yet I don't. Why? Because I don't have to. 120gb of HD space is *cheap*

I went to the SUSE on-line database, and a search showed NOTHING about a ram disk being avaiable.

> If you think that 4+ megs for a program is a "monstrosity" in this
> day and age, then perhaps you should go back to your 512k/512k A500...

I have a RAID HD, with a 2.26 MHz P4 and it takes 4 seconds to launch a solitare card game on SUSE?!? This is supposed to impress me?

"If you need to re-install AOS4.0, if you copied the DH0: to a cd right after a clean install, copying it back over, will take 20 seconds!!!"

> Because you've done it so many times, right? Oh! Wait a second,
> I thought the mana-from-heaven OS4 won't ever require a reinstall! Oh what will we do!

What if you alter settings, move/rename files, alter icons etc, then feel that you need it back to normal? On my DH0: I had it down to 3 directories in the root, and the rest were in a sub directory.

Attic (all my SW)
S (contains startup-sequence)
Devs (contains system-configuration)

I have those directories and S, Devs contain 1 file each, and the rest of the OS is elsewhere in the Attic subdir. It took a lot of trial and error to get it to work, hence, a few re-installs.

> and a "rollback mode".

Funny, I lost my HD partion info when I tried to install SUSE. I tried 3 different recovery programs. They didn't work. Turns out, you really need an OS installed to run one of those, but then, you wouldn't necessarily need a recovery program. I had to reformat the HD and re-install xp. Alot of help "rollback back" was.

> What competition? It's not going to "compete" with anything.
> What, do you think some giant corporation or government entity
> is going to drop what they're using now and scoop up AOS4?

YES I do. There are people out there (many of them) that are sick of the BS.


Why are you so negative? I'm not a pie in the sky, whimsical user. I've used computers since 1978.

Have you used that pathetic joke command called fdisk, that they expect you to use to format your hard drive to install w98se?? Okay, so that's going back 8 years. How about this then. Just yesterday, I opened 2 windows, and dragged across all the files off of a cd to my RAID HD. it was about 660 megs. xp took 22 minutes to copy it across, off of a 56 speed cd-rom. Even funnier was, the countdown clock went down to 18 mins, then back up to 20!! THEN, I copied another cd across, same amount of data, in an ms-dos shell, it took about 3 to 4 mins.????????

AmigaOne! I at the point of, AmigaOne, or abandon computing.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 34 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2003 03:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Atheist2):
"For some strange reason, SUSE linux came with PySol. It starts, then quits, 8 seconds later, by itself. "

Never futzed around with Linux. Far, far, FAR too klunky. It's as I've always said: "Linux is free if your time is worthless."


"Some peple have all the luck. My system seems stable too. Then, a couple of days ago, it booted up in 640*480, so I shut it down and re-booted, it said "saving your settings", then shut down. I didn't change anything at all. When it re-booted, it was in 1280*1024, again?!?"

Since this isn't a PC support forum I honestly don't want to launch into the hows and whys of this. Feel free to send an email address in your next post though...I'd be happy to help.

"Well, we would be able to boot off of a 1.44 meg floppy, if it had 16 megs of flash rom."

This doesn't parse at all. Can you rephrase it?

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can still manually install a program? "

Depends on the package; some folks use the auto-unpack/run features of WinZip; others use self-installation tools. Typically I let them do the job. I've yet to run in to a program that won't let me steer it to a different directory.

"Curious thing about the ms-dos prompt in w98se. When the autoexec.bat started, xcopy worked one way, then, after w98se was launched and you open the ms-dos window, it worked another way. Made using w98se useless for me."

Wait - you couldn't take a minute or two to learn a command line switch?

Either way, thank god 98, ME and so forth are going away...

"I choose to "wave" goodbye to it. "

I hope for their sake Hyperion doens't have such a flip attitude. The ability to secure a workstation is paramount to making an OS that works in a multiuser environment. If you can't leap that hurdle, just resign yourself to selling a few thousand copies and having done with - you'll never make it in the professional world.

"Yes, while the browser is working, but if the broswer/e-mail program is quit, your computer has no business receiving and responding to signals from the ethernet card."

What if I'm hosting shares? What if the remote printer is shared? What if the computer is connected to a LAN and has a scheduled app that will print out periodic reports or upload (or download) files to/from a server or other client? All of which must be done in a multi-user environment from time to time, and can be done from a locked workstation (services don't stop just because you secure the desktop)? What about IP address leases? What about MAC Address cataloging on the server and in the router?


"I went to the SUSE on-line database, and a search showed NOTHING about a ram disk being avaiable. "

Ah, another failing of Linux...

"I have a RAID HD, with a 2.26 MHz P4 and it takes 4 seconds to launch a solitare card game on SUSE?!? This is supposed to impress me? "

If your P4 is running at 2.26 Mhz, you've got bigger problems than launching solitaire.

I'd talk to a sysadmin about that, I tell you what.

"What if you alter settings, move/rename files, alter icons etc, then feel that you need it back to normal? On my DH0: I had it down to 3 directories in the root, and the rest were in a sub directory.

Attic (all my SW)
S (contains startup-sequence)
Devs (contains system-configuration)

I have those directories and S, Devs contain 1 file each, and the rest of the OS is elsewhere in the Attic subdir. It took a lot of trial and error to get it to work, hence, a few re-installs."

Never had a problem under 2000 or XP. Back up email, back up "static" files (images/movies/sounds), ker-nuke, stick the CD in, go to lunch, come back and reinstall the apps, pull the files back, have done with.

But that's just me. I'm one of those people who just has all the luck :)

> and a "rollback mode".

"Funny, I lost my HD partion info when I tried to install SUSE. I tried 3 different recovery programs. They didn't work. Turns out, you really need an OS installed to run one of those, but then, you wouldn't necessarily need a recovery program. I had to reformat the HD and re-install xp. Alot of help "rollback back" was."

"Rollback back"? Anyway, I'll gladly sacrifice a few hundred megs of HD real estate to XP's rollback tool. And it did save my butt once or twice (I downloaded a hacked driver that would allegedly force a not-supported capture card to work under XP. Oops. All sortsa weird stuff!)


"YES I do. There are people out there (many of them) that are sick of the BS."

Okay, that's fine. Be sick of the BS. No IT manager in his right mind would use OS4. Or 4.2. None. Sorry. It's just That Way. I outlined the reasons and you started on about SUSE and how you don't want a multiuser environment or the ability to secure a workstation and should be able to shut off the NIC (?!?)

"Why are you so negative? I'm not a pie in the sky, whimsical user. I've used computers since 1978."

I've watched MASH since 1975 but that doesn't mean I'm an Army doctor. But that aside, I'm not being *negative*, I'm being *realistic*. Look, you want to enjoy OS4. Fine. Best of luck. I hope you dig it. If I could afford the frivilous purchase of an A1 right now, I'd buy it and the new OS...erm, wait, I'd buy them when OS4 was on sale (not "pre order" not "coming soon" not "being demo'ed" but ON SALE) for the A1 and I'd have lots of fun playing with it.

But it's not going to stand up against pro OS's right now. I'm sorry; it isn't. And it would fail to even rate a raised eyebrow if it doesn't have critical network capabilities - and that means more than a TCP/IP stack.

"Have you used that pathetic joke command called fdisk, that they expect you to use to format your hard drive to install w98se??"

Nope. Typically it's a straight-from-CD install.

"Okay, so that's going back 8 years. How about this then. Just yesterday, I opened 2 windows, and dragged across all the files off of a cd to my RAID HD. it was about 660 megs. xp took 22 minutes to copy it across, off of a 56 speed cd-rom."

Surely you don't believe the "56x" on that CD-ROM, do you? Download a diagnostic app and find out what your data transfer rate is - you'd be surprised (apalled). Most CD-ROMs I've used rarely, on reads, clock more than 28x-ish.

" Even funnier was, the countdown clock went down to 18 mins, then back up to 20!! THEN, I copied another cd across, same amount of data, in an ms-dos shell, it took about 3 to 4 mins.???????? "

Well, there's a WHOLE LOT of variables in there. What else was open? HOw fragmented was the volume? Was the CD clean (yes, it makes a difference)? What bus connection does the CD-ROM have? Etc. etc., etc.

"AmigaOne! I at the point of, AmigaOne, or abandon computing."

I've never had a passionate dislike or like for a computer that would drive me to quit enjoying them if I didn't get my way. For me, it's all about the applications. And windows has all the cool toys. All of them.

Maybe the A1 will someday. If that happens, I'll go there instead.

Frankly if all computers were driven by a command shell only with each app having it's own GUI, I'd *still* use computers. Because output is the name of the game. Not whether or not the OS uses a Startup Sequence, a Registry or a Start Folder.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 35 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 19-May-2003 03:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
Curses! Damn my fast fingers! That was my response to Athiest2.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 36 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2003 03:13 GMT
Now wait to see Buck and his clowns pull some other stunt against Amiga. They do it every time there's good news on the Amiga side.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 37 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2003 03:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Atheist2):
Hey, I got Ram Disk too on Windows: I plug my CompactFlash Card reader to my USB port and use it as storage space ;-)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 38 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 19-May-2003 04:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
Hi Some Farker,

>> Yes, god forbid you have the ability to go in and un-f**k
>> things because no program has ever lunched the startup-sequence
>> or corrupted it so you had to get in and work on things. Except they did. And you do.

"Well, we would be able to boot off of a 1.44 meg floppy, if it had 16 megs of flash rom."

> This doesn't parse at all. Can you rephrase it?

What I meant was, you said above, the computer couldn't re-boot. Now, AOS4.0 is getting big, so it can't fit on a 1.44 meg. disk. But, if most of it was in a 16 meg flashrom, and some of it on floppy, it could be salvaged from 1 floppy disk.


"Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can still manually install a program? "

> Depends on the package; some folks use the auto-unpack/run
> features of WinZip; others use self-installation tools.
> Typically I let them do the job. I've yet to run in to a
> program that won't let me steer it to a different directory.

I was refering to the installer on the Amiga and you brought up winzip. On an Amiga, you can still manually install a program, right?


> Wait - you couldn't take a minute or two to learn a command line switch?

For some reason, the switches I really needed, don't work, until w98se is running????? The switches that copy all sub dirs, and programs in them, won't work.


"I have a RAID HD, with a 2.26 MHz P4 and it takes 4 seconds to launch a solitare card game on SUSE?!? This is supposed to impress me? "

> If your P4 is running at 2.26 Mhz, you've got bigger problems than launching solitaire.

> I'd talk to a sysadmin about that, I tell you what.

Ghz. :)



"YES I do. There are people out there (many of them) that are sick of the BS."

/*
Okay, that's fine. Be sick of the BS. No IT manager in his right mind would use OS4. Or 4.2. None. Sorry. It's just That Way. I outlined the reasons and you started on about SUSE and how you don't want a multiuser environment or the ability to secure a workstation and should be able to shut off the NIC (?!?)
*/

Fair enough, the IT managers out there are not happy. But, where did the home user market go? Is every "home user" now so sophisticated that they must have an "IT manager" OS at their disposal?


/*
But it's not going to stand up against pro OS's right now. I'm sorry; it isn't. And it would fail to even rate a raised eyebrow if it doesn't have critical network capabilities - and that means more than a TCP/IP stack.

I've never had a passionate dislike or like for a computer that would drive me to quit enjoying them if I didn't get my way. For me, it's all about the applications. And windows has all the cool toys. All of them.

Maybe the A1 will someday. If that happens, I'll go there instead.
*/

Fair enough. It isn't quite what you'd like to use at home.

Maybe I'm just one of a small group of people clamoring for a simpler way to compute.

AmigaOne! Is AOS4.x the last "personal" home OS?
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 39 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 19-May-2003 04:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
Hi,

Which version of windows are you using a ram disk on, and where can I get it? Or rather, is it shareware/freeware?

AmigaOne! AOS4.0, coming soon to a desktop near you!
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 40 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 19-May-2003 04:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
by Anonymous with 0 braincells left?
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 41 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by J.L. on 19-May-2003 04:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Some Farker):
Point Design is an Amiga dealer from Austria (the only one left). They have done a nice job with the O.A.S.E. shows in the past and I think there will be one in september, too.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 42 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 19-May-2003 05:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Atheist2):
Win95/98 can run on top of DOS, and DOS support something like RamDrive, fixed sized ramdisk if you will,

Linux support tmpfs it acts the same way as Amiga RamDisk it’s dynamically using memory space depending on the data stored in tmpfs mount point, Linux has one more option ramdrive but that is fixed sized. And can be added by extra line in Lilo boot manager, and if your Linux kernel is configured for using tmpfs and ramdrive.

The usage of RamDrive can be found on Win98 boot disk, they have compressed disk image on the 1.44Mb floppy disk they decompress it at boot time, to add more recovery commands.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 43 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 19-May-2003 05:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (JoannaK):
I'm sure "demonstrationg Linux" put's them off ...

(I think if I had A1, I would need to put hundreds of hours in setting up Linux before I would dare to show it. ...with more familiar OS it would require less time...)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 44 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 19-May-2003 06:48 GMT
If you dont read it on amiga.com it isnt true.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 45 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 19-May-2003 07:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (KenH):
"I'm anxiously awaiting reviews."

You can write most of them in advance. It will be criticised because it does some things differently from Windows/Linux/Mac/BeOS/reviewer's favourite OS. It will be criticised for not having an office suite. "Why don't they just let it die?" "Why isn't it all GPL?"

Long haul ahead, I think.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 46 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 19-May-2003 08:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (cheesegrate):
6-10 months to remove the chipset dependencies is by far too pessimistic.

OS 3.X has three main areas where chipset dependencies occur:

(1) Exec

(2) graphics.library

(3) most devices & resources like timer, serial, parallel, audio, gameport

(1) has already been taken care of as we demonstrated by booting ExecSG on the A1.

(2) will be taken care by a combination of P96 and a rewrite of the critical graphics.library blitter functions.

(3) is a task of around 1-2 months tops, especially because the work can be split up between numerous developers.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 47 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 19-May-2003 08:20 GMT
Great news!!! Allthough i would like to see confirmation that Hyperion will be there presenting it. Very important if you ask me, especially at the first show. First impressions are always VERY important!!!

Keep it up, Hyperion!
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 48 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 19-May-2003 08:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Atheist2):
Uhm, both Linux and DOS have concepts of ram disks, you just gotta know how to set it up.

Game over, insert more coins.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 49 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2003 08:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Don Cox):
It's not a matter of doing things differently, but of simply not doing them at all. AmigaOS 4 will be a 3rd rate OS by design, and most reviewers will pick up on that.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 50 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 19-May-2003 08:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (hooligan/dcs):
What? Since when is there no AmigaOne in Finland? You blind? ;-)
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