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[News] AmigaOS on Tour 2003ANN.lu
Posted on 18-May-2003 20:41 GMT by Jürgen Schober86 comments
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AmigaOS 4.0 on display across Europe. point.design präsentiert die aktuelle AmigaOS 4.0 Version als Preview in einer Raodshow durch Europa:

Die AmigaOS 4.0 Tour findet am

07. Juni, BOF Multimedia Store, Ljubljana, Slowenien
14. Juni, Amiga Club Augsburg, Deutschland
28. Juni, BOF Shopping-Center West, Graz, Österreich
05. Juli, Amiga Alpe Adria, Udine, Italien
05. Juli, Amont Informatique, Toulouse, Frankreich

statt.

Geplant ist die Vorführung AmigaOS auf CyberStorm PPC (PPC Native Kernel!) sowie aktuelle AmigaOS 4.0 Komponenten wie Roadshow, AmigaInput, Mount-Rainer (CD/RW), etc. im neuen AmigaOS 4.0 Design.

Außerdem werden zahlreiche AmigaOne G3/G4 Computer vorgeführt werden.

Weitere Überaschungen sind in Vorbereitung.

Mehr Information unter http://www.oase.at/amigaos4ontour.html und auf unseren Partner-Web-Sites.

Wir freuen uns auf Euren Besuch!

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point.design presents the AmigaOS 4.0 on Tour roadshow accross Europe.

Several events will take place on

June, 7th, BOF Multimedia Store, Ljubljana, Slowenia
June, 14th, Amiga Club Augsburg, Germany
June, 28th, BOF, Shopping-Center West, Graz, Austria
July, 5th, Amiga Alpe Adria, Udine, Italy
July, 5th, Amont Informatique, Toulouse, France

The planing so far goes to have AmigaOS4.0 running on a CyberStorm PPC (with a native PPC kernel), as well as having current modules like Roadshow, AmigaInput, Mount-Rainer (CD/RW), etc. with the new AmigaOS4.0 design on display.

Also you will find various AmigaOne G3/G4 Machines on the show.

More surprises are on schedule.

Please visit http://www.oase.at/amigaos4ontour.html and our partner web sites for more information.

We are looking forward to see you at the show(s)!

Jürgen Schober
point.design
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 51 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 19-May-2003 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Olegil):
Its even possible to map memory from other devices (e.g. Gfx card) to a ram disk in linux :).

Alas I don't find the need for a ram disk for scratch space, anything that goes in /tmp is removed on the rare times I reboot :)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 52 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 19-May-2003 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Anonymous):
"It's not a matter of doing things differently, but of simply not doing them at all. AmigaOS 4 will be a 3rd rate OS by design, and most reviewers will pick up on that."

I doubt if Hyperion are designing it to be a 3rd rate OS. If they are, then 3rd rate OSes are what I like using.

Let's have a list of the major things you think are missing from the OS. I don't count items such as the missing office suite or Flash players as they are not part of the OS. Nor is a Java VM. (All desirable, but not part of the OS.)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 53 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by zeigerpuppy on 19-May-2003 11:00 GMT
Well, here we go again.
I say any news that says we're getting close to the showdown of Amiga like OSs is great. Well done MorphOS, well done Amiga Inc, well done Bernie, well done AROS (keep in there). As for comparing to other, more common OSs, here's my 5 cents worth:

Linux: Well, I run an FTP, Mail, Web Server and I wouldn't run it on anything else - easy to install but a bitch to debug, you really have to know it inside out and there's too many ins and too many outs - I like it but the gui is slow and it'll take too many years to master. So, it'll stay on the server and I'll use something else for my workstation.

MacOS X: Nice layout and functionality... as always I hate one button mouse, I hate being treated like a fool (thanks for the command line, finally!) and it still wastes the ridiculous amounts of horsepower they throw at it... I think Amiga/Morph OS could win some converts here if they can really show off the G4s (then again, Apple fans are as much zealots as Amiga fans!)

Windows NT: Well, first of all, go no further than 2000, I would say NT but it lacks USB. I hate Microsoft as much as the next person but there are so many apps and, really, it's the easiest one to maintain and run..... until, that is, it all falls in a heap and has to be reinstalled (for a user which experiments a lot I give it 1 year between installs). The thing that really sucks is that the apps have to reinstalled too (even though I keep them on a separate partition).
Running backups, the only solution!

AmigaOS: Admittedly, I haven't used it for a few years and I did know it back to front... but.. the system made sense and was sooo easy to debug (oh, Snoopdos!). When compared MIP for MIP, it made 680x0 apples look extremely sluggish - will this still be the case with G4s? Even though I run hardware SCSI RAID (don't call any other type RAID, or I'll slap ya) I still haven't got the flexibility I had with the boot menu and 3 system partitions on Amiga. The PC Bios is a joke, basically. And I like the basic OS in ROM/FlashRAM...
But apps, that's the problem. To be honest, I think that Amithlon/AmigaXL was the way to go... why reinvent the wheel, linux and Amiga could be very good bed partners indeed. OK, so you want the OS to be sitting bare on the hardware, well, that really doesn't make so much sense when portability is the name of the game. Nevertheless, I look forward to purchasing the first Amiga like system that has Dual G4... variety is the spice of life and my system at least will run Linux, AmigaOS, MorphOS, MacOnLinux.... maybe all at the same time! (Don't say it can't be done!)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 54 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 19-May-2003 11:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
> Never futzed around with Linux. Far, far, FAR too klunky. It's as I've always
> said: "Linux is free if your time is worthless."

Then you don't know what your talking about. Then again, you even admit you never used it, but you already know it's "Too klunky.", funny that huh? Nice FUD.

Dammy
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 55 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 19-May-2003 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Kjetil):
Hi Kjetil,

SUSE linux support page, looked up "tmpfs".
First off, it doesn't even tell me what it is, second, seems to me, it's stored on the hard drive ("mounted to dev/shm").

It's easy to find, too. It's on line 468, approx.

Source
http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/tmpfs_config.html

--------------------------------
Support knowledgebase (tmpfs_config)

Applies to

SuSE Linux: All versions
Kernel: Version 2.4.x




Symptom

By default, the virtual file system tmpfs is mounted to "/dev/shm" with half the available RAM.

Cause

The cause is a definition to this effect in the boot scripts.

Solution

Disable the following entries, approximately line 489, in the file /etc/init.d/boot or, for version 8.0 or later, /etc/init.d/boot.swap:
# mount shmfs is necessary (2.4 kernels)
#
#unset HAVE_SHM
#while read dev type; do
# test "$type" = "shm" && HAVE_SHM=1
#done < /proc/filesystems
#if test ! -z "$HAVE_SHM"; then
# ECHO_RETURN=$rc_done
# test -d /dev/shm || mkdir /dev/shm
# echo -n "Mount SHM FS on /dev/shm"
# mount -t shm shmfs /dev/shm || ECHO_RETURN=$rc_failed
# echo -e $ECHO_RETURN
#fi
#unset HAVE_SHM

Instead, insert an entry in the file /etc/fstab and specify the desired size in the parameter "size". An example with 1G:
tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs size=1g 0 0
-----------------------------------

AmigaOne! Thank You very much!
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 56 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 19-May-2003 13:04 GMT
Well, I did a search on google
suse linux ram disk

Couldn't get any solid lead on how to make one, other than, it's a fixed size, and edit some file somewhere to make it. Some guy was saying he needed to give it a hard number, at compile time. Yeah, a feature for the common user to take advantage of.

Should I even bother trying to consider that they could understand a complex subject called a "Rad:", which WE'VE had since 1989??

For me, to have a real computing session on a computer, I MUST have a ram: and sometimes rad: drive.

AmigaOne! Way, way ahead of the other NOT os's!
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 57 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 19-May-2003 13:40 GMT
instead of going around to a few user groups with a few dozen people each, send a copy to Wayne Hunt or Christian Kemp for review.

that will reach a lot more people and we are all interested in getting an unbiased review. Or even OSNews, they just did a review on MorphOS 1.3, and
now I see, confirmed, that 1.3 is not ready for primetime...if that is true
of OS 4 in its current state, well then, you are just in the same boat os MorphOS,...anyway, we just want the truth... and I am sure some good features will be revealed as well.

If you have roadshow, and MorphOS still requires a user to install a shareware copy of Miami, well, obviously these are the types of details a fair reviewer could bring out.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 58 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 19-May-2003 13:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (MarkTime):
to the person who asked about features required of a modern OS...

what pops in my head immediately..

IP STACK
3D API (OpenGL, RAVE, DirectX, Mesa, something)
Text Editor (absolutely...not just for modern os's, ancient OS's like unix have VI, and DOS had EDLIN even before it had EDIT...its necessary for routine tasks).

finally in a more modern OS, you need a basic photo editor, e-mail client, and web browser.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 59 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by xisp on 19-May-2003 13:56 GMT
Calm down a bit with those comparisons. Whats this? Even someone over
here wants full multiuser support on Amiga, this is absurd, nonsense.

All these years lost in the desert made loose the perspective to some
of you. AmigaOS was a HOME computer system. I Repeat, A HOME PERSONAL
COMPUTER. This means that extreme security features are a waste of resources.
In this kind of environment, what counts is cheap but powerful multimedia,
ease of use whitout taking control out from the user, being able to connect
it to home devices like TV sets and the like...

Security in this environment should be understood as means to preserve
privacity, data recovery and safety...those kind of things.

But multi-user, corporate class administration features, this is far beyond
Amiga scope. I gave my support to the Amiga platform because its the best
in home computing. Hopefully, it will be again.

Let W2000 and Linux do their job. Amiga will do its own.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 60 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 19-May-2003 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (MarkTime):
"what pops in my head immediately..

IP STACK"

You mean TCP stack? Definitely needed. Roadshow should be OK.

"3D API (OpenGL, RAVE, DirectX, Mesa, something)"

I think Hyperion are providing that for AOS 4.


"Text Editor (absolutely...not just for modern os's, ancient OS's like unix have VI, and DOS had EDLIN even before it had EDIT...its necessary for routine tasks)."

AmigaOS has always had a couple of text editors provided with it, and more advanced ones like GoldEd and CygnusEd are readily available. EditPad, which came free with AOS 3.9, is quite good, especially for editing scripts and config files.

"finally in a more modern OS, you need a basic photo editor, e-mail client, and web browser."

IMO none of those are OS components. They are application software, particularly the image processor. However, all three are available free for AmigaOS, and a version of IBrowse (which is commercial) will be bundled. MorphOS has Voyager bundled.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 61 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 19-May-2003 14:51 GMT
I look forward to the actual AOS4 getting exposure as a running operating system. I feel that a healthy competitive impetus with MorphOS will have both teams scrambling to improve their work and adding features and services.

May both OSes progress quickly and concretely {paper OSes make fine kites ; }

Congrats, Hyperion and associates, hope to see the real thing soon!


<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
 
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 62 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 19-May-2003 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (xisp):
....so your computer is only used by one person in the home?
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 63 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 19-May-2003 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (greeenboy):
That's CERTAINLY an impersonation I'm afraid...
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 64 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 19-May-2003 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (greenboy):
Now that the kinda spirit this community needs.

Mutal respect for the Competitions product, and wishes of good luck.

thank you greenboy for puting my doubts to shame :-)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 65 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by xisp on 19-May-2003 16:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (DaveP):
In a Home environment you could provide different user profiles. This can
be supported by Amiga with some work.

But "confinment" of each user's data, keeping information only for who has
permission for it, is not the usual necessity in a Home Network. This would
enforce estrict security mechanisms, and the road to "I am yet another UNIX"
would have to be built again.

I am only advocating for the possiblity of a more simple computer. If people
need more than that, they obviously should buy a full fledged PC.

Sincerely, I have never seen AmigaOS as the road to the Panacea of computers.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 66 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 19-May-2003 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (dammy):
" Then you don't know what your talking about. Then again, you even admit you never used it, but you already know it's "Too klunky.", funny that huh? Nice FUD.

Dammy"

To say "You're fud'ing, 'cause you've never used *Linux*" is just plain stupid.
I highly doubt you've ever used *Linux* on its own, because last time I looked it was a kernel! The correct term is "you've never used a Linux Distro", which is still quite stupid because distro's can be dramatically different and using one doesn't mean that you'll get on with all the others by a long shot.

I think he considers *Nixs to be klunky and many do, its a taste thing and you don't have to have even used a *Nix to decide that its not you're piece of cake, working out a partitioning scheme is enough for some ;).
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 67 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 19-May-2003 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Atheist2):
"Well, I did a search on google
suse linux ram disk"

Linux ram disks aren't the same as the ram disk in AmigaOS, Ram disks in Linux are filesystem images that are loaded into ram and mounted. They're usally used for installation and by initrd kernels(the ram disk is a small chunk of os that the kernel boots instead of the root partition so that one can be more flexible with their kernel config and have for instance the root filesystem as a module).

"Couldn't get any solid lead on how to make one, other than, it's a fixed size, and edit some file somewhere to make it. Some guy was saying he needed to give it a hard number, at compile time. Yeah, a feature for the common user to take advantage of."

There is no real need for ram disks in userland in a *nix... any temp files are put in /tmp which is cleared on boot just like the ram disk in AmigaOS but you have the advantage of not using system memory and as much space as /tmp to work in.

"For me, to have a real computing session on a computer, I MUST have a ram: and sometimes rad: drive."

I think it'll be impossible to implement a RAD: drive on PC's and the like because everything gets stripped out on reboot opposed to the Amiga's soft reboot where it basically just resets the OS leaving everything else intact. I'm not sure, but IMHO I don't think RAD: will survive a reboot via the motherboards reset switch on the amigaOne :\
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 68 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2003 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Atheist2):
You didn't get the joke
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 69 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 19-May-2003 17:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Atheist2):
First of the you have it all backward, the mount point is only where you like you tmp directory to be, /dev/shm is a directory where tmpfs (ramdisk) can be hosted, the size you are tailing about is to set the upper limit of memory usage for tmpfs, in this case it can not be any more then 1GB of memory, this is to prevent the system form going empty, linux do not have drives like Amiga eg DHO: RAM: it has only the "/" root directory where every think is connected cdrom's and hd's

eg. if you add the line like this you make a ram disk with max size of 128mb on 256mb system

none /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0

if you configure

none /tmp tmpfs size=256mb 0 0

you may end up with no system memory due to programs dumping all kind of files in the /tmp Dir this is way you can set a upper limit for memory usage, this will again end with nasty use of swap image / swap partitions and you get bad performance loss.

On linux you can even have as meny tmpfs (ramdisks) you can imagen if you like.

not "(ramdisk)" it not ramdisk in the linux world, it's ramdisk in the amiga world. "ramdisk" in the linux world is diskimage mounted inn ram. and the size if fixed to the size of the diskimage.

NOTE IF YOU CONFIGURE /TMP AS I DO EXPLAIN YOU MAY GET PROBLEMS WITH PROGRAMS THAT EXPECT THE /TMP DIRECTORY TO NOT BE NOT CLEANED, THE /TMP DIRECTORY IS USED AS A CACHE NOT AS Ram: or T: on Amiga.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 70 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 19-May-2003 18:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (zeigerpuppy):
Linux: your impression is based on wrong presumptions, The gfx system is not slow once you have installed a drivers from Nivida and keep your nasty fingers of nv.o that comes with Linux. (OSI (Open Source Initiative) hate closed source code even if it is free, this is way, they have brain washed every one in the linux community), 2en if you know tre thing about linux "soft links","ld" and "ldd" you know all you need to know about debugging the rest is common sens.

MacOS: I do agree with you hare only from my side of the story, the arguments are different, MacOS X have become source-code compatible with Linux (OpenStep library's and posix compatible), the environment emulates OS9 and OS7.0/8.0 so yes it used lots of CPU on nothing, only native OSX apps go fast, MacOS X has gained SMP support and better multi tasking then OS9/8/7 series, this makes it better computer to Amiga then MacOS7.x ever where.

WindowsOS: I do agree with you fully nothing more to add.

AmigaOS: even wheel get reinvented new these every year, way should Amiga OS stay the same for ever (old and outdated)? besides Amithlon/AmigaXL do not take full advantage of the system by byte swapping all the time, and what about all PPC program should they be dropped? (I guess you are not up to speed on this one, it's all ready stared to be hard get new programs that are not PPC native)

/*at least will run Linux, AmigaOS, MorphOS, MacOnLinux.... maybe all at the same time! (Don't say it can't be done!)
*/

Yes it can be done, all you need is virtual computer like VMWARE for PC,
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 71 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 19-May-2003 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (DaveP):
Hi DaveP,

How about every member of the family boot off of their own 64 meg compact flash card with their own "personalized" version of AOS?

AmigaOne! Up close and personal!
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 72 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by AmigaGuy on 19-May-2003 21:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Atheist2):
@Athiest2

Damn that's a cool idea...hmm....Maybe have all the apps on the HD. You could have the browsers cache directed to the card though for security and such like that :)

AmigaGuy
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 73 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 19-May-2003 21:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Atheist2):
No it's a dynamic ramdisk, I store my mail queues on these, mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /var/spool/mqueue, a real IO dropper on a mail server.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 74 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 19-May-2003 21:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Atheist2):
mount -t tmpfs tmpfs <mountpoint>, it's a dynamic ramdisk will use available ram as necessary as well as swap if necessary.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 75 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 19-May-2003 21:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (corpse):
Please don't comment if your clueless. Ram Disk are incredibly useful, if you know how to use them.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 76 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 20-May-2003 01:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Atheist2):
"Hi Some Farker, "


"What I meant was, you said above, the computer couldn't re-boot. Now, AOS4.0 is getting big, so it can't fit on a 1.44 meg. disk. But, if most of it was in a 16 meg flashrom, and some of it on floppy, it could be salvaged from 1 floppy disk. "

No, this is completely different from a rollback or safe mode boot. Rollback compares a full registry table of what's going on *right now* to what you're asking it to fall back on. Think of it as an onboard back up. You say "Look, on May 19th, I installed a program that lunched my display drivers. Now, I know that at the earliest, on May 12th, I had a working display driver. Please put the system back like it was then." System restore then does just that, thus saving your bacon.

Ah, you say, if your display driver is corrupted, how can you even see the screen? Safe mode. VGA-Only, no sound or video (but network if you need it). Rollback from there, reboot.





"I was refering to the installer on the Amiga and you brought up winzip. On an Amiga, you can still manually install a program, right? "

You said "You still manually install a program" - You meaning Me, and we were talking about something else entirely. I use installers on whatever platform I'm using as frequently as I can. Hand-unpacking things into one subdirectory after another is *tedious*.





"Ghz. :) "

I suspected as much. There's so many unasked and unanswered questions with respect to the setup that you've got that untangling the problem(s) even in an offhand manner is beyond the scope of this board...so let's move on. ('Sides, Linux for home use isn't my strong point.)



"Fair enough, the IT managers out there are not happy. But, where did the home user market go? Is every "home user" now so sophisticated that they must have an "IT manager" OS at their disposal? "

The home user market is still right there - and fortunately, workstation/multi-user OS's have dovetailed nicely in to it. With more people working *from* home, an OS that behaves like what they have at work or more to the point can connect directly to work is more and more important.

<reminiscense>
I remember helping a teacher carry an Apple II (not IIe, not IIc, just "Apple II") to her car - monitor, printer and all, so she could do some work over the weekend...ah Mobile computing!
</reminiscense>

"Fair enough. It isn't quite what you'd like to use at home.

Maybe I'm just one of a small group of people clamoring for a simpler way to compute. "

And that's fine. But you should understand - I've said what I've said not out of some perverse desire to see the Amiga fail, or because I hate it, or because I'm some Windows bigot who gets his jollies mocking the dead, etc. No, quite frankly I'd like to see the Amiga OS come out on top - or at least in the running. To do so it will need more than hobbyist level features.

You and I are thinking in parallel with one another: we both feel that the Amiga is great and we both wish that it would make a comeback. Yet my "comeback" is rooted a bit more firmly in what it will take to succeed (I think) than yours. And I don't say that as an insult, I say it because it simply is so.

I'd *love* to walk into CompUSA and see AOS4.0 on the shelf, with A1 boards in the hardware department... (or the bundle together). But before that happens, it's got to make an impact. Because that shelf space is going to go to the stuff that *moves* and the stuff that *moves* is the stuff that *impresses*.

"AmigaOne! Is AOS4.x the last "personal" home OS?"

Not by a long shot. A "personal home" OS is what you make of it. My mom uses Xp on the dinky little PII/300 with 128mb RAM I built for her - and it just goes and goes. Never a hiccup. (As opposed to the mess that was the Win98 install she had...P-U!)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 77 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by AmigaGuy on 20-May-2003 02:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Some Farker):
>My mom uses Xp on the dinky little PII/300 with 128mb RAM I built for her - and it just goes and goes. Never a hiccup.

Hmmm.....

AmigaGuy
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 78 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 20-May-2003 04:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (zeigerpuppy):
<DO NOT READ MY LAST COMMENT ON POST 70, WEBMASTER YOU CAN DELETE IT, IT FULL OF SPELLING ERRORS, AND WRONG WORDS>

Linux: your impression is based on wrong presumptions, The gfx system is not slow once you have installed a drivers from Nvidia and keep your nasty fingers of nv.o that comes with Linux. (OSI (Open Source Initiative) hate closed source code even if it is free, this is way, they have brain washed every one in the Linux community), 2en if you know tree thing about Linux "soft links","ld" and "ldd" you know all you need to know about debugging the rest is common sense.

MacOS: I do agree with you hare only from my side of the story, the arguments are different, MacOS X have become source-code compatible with Linux (OpenStep library's and posix compatible), the environment emulates OS9 and OS7.0/8.0 so yes it used lots of CPU on nothing, only native OSX apps go fast, MacOS X has gained SMP support and better multi tasking then OS9/8/7 series, this makes it better competitor to Amiga then MacOS7.x ever where.

WindowsOS: I do agree with you fully nothing more to add.

AmigaOS: even wheel get reinvented new tiers every year, way should Amiga OS stay the same for ever (old and outdated)? besides Amithlon/AmigaXL do not take full advantage of the system by byte swapping all the time, and what about all PPC program should they be dropped? (I guess you are not up to speed on this one, it's all ready started to become hard get new programs that are not PPC native)

/*at least will run Linux, AmigaOS, MorphOS, MacOnLinux.... maybe all at the same time! (Don't say it can't be done!)
*/

Yes it can be done, all you need is virtual computer like VMWARE for PC,
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 79 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Jelle on 20-May-2003 06:28 GMT
Hello dear Amiga creators.

If I get the chance I'd like to join You on your tour, I would very
much enjoy You and Your Country.

I can only hope you'll reply and perhaps enjoy my company too.

Mitt freundlichen Grusse,

Jelle.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 80 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 20-May-2003 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Some Farker):
"Wow. This must be quite a shock to the hundreds of millions of people who run programs on them. With acres of Hard drive space for pennies, one would think that cramming stuff into RAM would be a thing of the past. But reading further on..."

Ram disk is the most efficient trashcan ever made, and it is a very good concept, and having more Ram should make it even more efficient not the other way around...
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 81 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 20-May-2003 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
But then you use it as a storage device, not as a temporary device... If one could have both...
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 82 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 20-May-2003 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Olegil):
Well.. you misread my posting .. Or did I write it somewhat confusingly?

I know that here (in this country) are couple first generation Amigaone-SE systems (3-4?) and at least one of them is running Linux. But I have never seen/heard any single working Amigaone-XE:s here, not that those would have been sold a single one here. So if you know user's of XE:s, please let me know ...

E-mail it ok.. You'll have my addy :)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 83 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-May-2003 17:47 GMT
Wow.. you lot dont trust your own family members very well do you !!

This Win2kpro terminal has OPEN access to ALL members of my IMMEDIATE family ... ie: those in THIS house.

No STUPID individual Log ins... (NO log ins full stop!!)
I'm NOT a business... I DONT hold National security details on my machine !!

Good enough for ME & Bobby M'gee !!

Roll on A1

Way to go Hyperion :)
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 84 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 20-May-2003 21:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Anonymous):
"Wow.. you lot dont trust your own family members very well do you !!

This Win2kpro terminal has OPEN access to ALL members of my IMMEDIATE family ... ie: those in THIS house.

No STUPID individual Log ins... (NO log ins full stop!!)
I'm NOT a business... I DONT hold National security details on my machine !!

Good enough for ME & Bobby M'gee !!

Roll on A1

Way to go Hyperion :)"

WOW! YOU! don't UNDERSTAND! a DAMN THING FULL STOP!! about what we WERE DISCUSSING!!

:rolleyes:
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 85 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-May-2003 15:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Some Farker):
Go fuck spiders.
AmigaOS on Tour 2003 : Comment 86 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 23-May-2003 16:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Lasse Bodilsen):
Geesh, I say the same thing and nobody says a word.
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