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Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 1 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 19-May-2003 08:08 GMT
Cool, first opinions from "outside". :-)

Pretty much what I expected. Of course, any "outsider" will review it in comparison to other OS'es, and from a general end user's point of view. But one has to remember that this OS (MorphOS) in it's current state of development isn't as mature as OS'es targeted towards end users, hence it's not targeted towards end users in it's current state ;-). This far it has primarly been targeted towards advanced users/developers with experience from the Amiga platform who is interested to begin development for future products. That is an important footnote IMO.

> Overall, MorphOS doesn't have the sparkle that a modern OS should have. It
> feels like a nemnant of another era. A beloved era for many for sure, but
> another, older era nonetheless.

This statement is worthy a discussion. Sure, MorphOS in it's current version lacks some (important) features, such as the TCP stack and floppy support. But that will come, so let's put the maturity issues aside for a moment. A more interesting question is, how "should" a modern OS be like?

I think people expect a desktop OS to be easy to use, very intuitive, have every thing you need pre-installed, look good, etc. WindowsXP (and MacOS X) is just that, hence somewhat bloated but perfect for the average Joe User.

I think people expect a server OS to be reliable for heavy tasks, secure, expandable and customizable. Linux (and other *nix OS'es) is example of that, hence technologically advanced and nothing a Joe User would understand even if he tried, but exactly what a techie in a server hall would want.

But what is AmigaOS? Put in a OS3.0 floppy, boot, and you will have ... well pretty much nothing, except a fully working OS core (with big emphasis on *core*). Then it's up to you to put what you want in there, it is *you yourself* that design your own look, feel and the functionality of your OS. I can understand if that makes the OS to look like "a nemnant of another era" when compared to other OS'es targeted to end users (desktop Joe Users or server techies), but IMO this is isn't backwards, it is the *key feature* of the Amiga philosophy. And it makes the OS very suitable for OEM hardware gadgets; STB's, handhelds, etc.

How is AmigaOS/MorphOS positioned compared to other OS'es? How do we want it to be positioned? That is a core question.

Well, perhaps it was a little bit too early to let an "outsider" review the platform, perhaps they should have waited for it to mature a little more. But may this be the first in a series of reviews! I have a feeling that the PegasosTwo with a more mature version of MorphOS will score differently!
:-)
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 2 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 19-May-2003 08:36 GMT
a wellwritten review, and i'm surprised morphos isnt in a better state than
the reviewer tells, about crashing the system completely and running AmigaOS apps isnt not worked out perfectly yet. I feel tricked by some of the morphos users that says it never crashes, and blames it on buggy apps. Well, seems
its not the apps thats buggy, but Morphos.

The system is targeted at developers and advanced users, so its obvious
that there are problems. I was very close buying this system earlyer this year,
but im glad i didn't, ok...i would have a nice ppc native system now if i did
but i rather have a finshed system, instead of running halfstable betas for a
year.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 3 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-May-2003 08:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (catohagen):
cato:

don't forget the reviewer knows nothing of the amiga world. He probably tried to run some AGA or hardware banging software and of course it crashed. This is a limitation of the AmigaOS (and A/Box). It's true however that Ambient is currently quite limited (but will in the end have somes features of magellan).
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 4 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2003 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (catohagen):
You read another review than I did? In fact the review just pointed out the
obvious: there is no memory protection within A-Box (surprise!).
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 5 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-May-2003 08:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (mahen):
I mean, the lack of memory protection in AmigaOS or in the A/Box
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 6 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 19-May-2003 08:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (catohagen):
This is perfectly normal in an environment where you can't have full memory protection due to inherent design (in this case, ABox, as inherited by AmigaOS API) .. MorphOS itself does not crash, but the ABox can get itself in a deadlock situation when it has to shut down an application that behaves badly, as explained so many times before there's nothing you can do about this inside ABox .. as for application compatability, this is usually because even though you may not see any reason why app x would access hw, it might still do, as is the case with quite alot of applications (banging the CIA is quite popular), this will cause alot of apps to malfunction in an environment where this hw is not available .. sometimes it's also due to the app relying on certain 68k quirks in the API, and these we are constantly tracking down and fixing, improving compatability daily...

As for you ever having any interest in buying a Pegasos, it seems pretty unlikely .. correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to have only seen quite outspoken negative comments to outright trolling from you about it, maybe I missed something?


- CISC
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 7 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 19-May-2003 08:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (David Scheibler):
>there is no memory protection within A-Box (surprise!).

why is that a surprise ? everyone here knows that ? but why does it need to bring down the whole system ? :) Why do we have to discuss this to death ?
Accept it, morphos isnt handling the emulation of AmigaOS apps very well yet,
but that a choice the Morphos devels took(running AmigaOS apps that is) and
if there are problems, you have to accept that people reacts negatively on
seeing the whole system locking when something goes wrong. I bet morphos native
programs work flawless, but restricting to that you miss the easy shortcut to the insanely amount of AmigaOS software thats out there.

I really like this review. Some positive stuff about the hardware and more negative stuff on its flaggship os, "not delivering what it should have to keep the platform compelling."
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 8 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 19-May-2003 08:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (catohagen):
Yes Cato, but do not miss the comments...;-)

The "M" in MorphOS is for Mobility.

R&B
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 9 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 19-May-2003 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (catohagen):
> I feel tricked by some of the morphos users that says it never crashes, and
> blames it on buggy apps.

Well it *doesn't* crash ... if you keep away from those apps that crash the system! ;-)

Many "Amiga Classic" apps isn't confortable in this new envireonment with a new OS and (more important) compeltely different Hardware. There is no way around that, except either using UAE to emulate a classic Amiga or modifying the app itself. I am certain that the same applications will crash OS4 on the A1 hardware as well, for the same reasons.

> The system is targeted at developers and advanced users, so its obvious
> that there are problems. I was very close buying this system earlyer this
> year, but im glad i didn't

Well, it's up to you. I am glad I *did* buy one! :-)

> i would have a nice ppc native system now if i did but i rather have a
> finshed system, instead of running halfstable betas for a year.

Yeah, just keep on waiting. And waiting. Personally I can live with a system with some gaps (which I can easily fill myself BTW), that is stable (when using stable applications), that is usable, and that is available (perhaps "was", if all the resellers are out of stock, I don't know).
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 10 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 19-May-2003 09:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Sigbjørn Skjæret):
>As for you ever having any interest in buying a Pegasos, it seems pretty >unlikely .. correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to have only seen quite >outspoken negative comments to outright trolling from you about it, maybe I >missed something?

I did, honest....I saved up money for the AmigaOne 4 times last year, and
I emailed Eyetech about if I could pay now while I had the money, they wouldn't take cash, when I saw people getting board before me and who ordered later, I again emailed Eyetech, and no reply, coz of the virus attach they had, so I canceled my AmigaOne order. I was a few clicks away several times ordering a pegasos @ KDH a few times , but each time I changed my mind after some new business tacktic by BBRV...
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 11 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 19-May-2003 09:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (catohagen):
@catohagen:

" why is that a surprise ? everyone here knows that ? but why does it need to bring down the whole system ? :)"

AmigaOS API and memory protection (the lack of it) is a known issue of the Amiga world since ages. Both for OS4 and MOS developers.

You will need a new generation of programs to have a decent memory protection. AFAIR MOS tries to achieve this via Q\Box and applications, and in OS4 the _new_ native OS4 apps may ask for memory protection.

I may be mistaken in the details, but stating that it's not a known issue just a personal problem of yours.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 12 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 19-May-2003 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (takemehomegrandma):
BTW, I'm sure that more Amiga Classic apps will work on OS4/MorphOS when running on classic hardware with CSPPC.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 13 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 19-May-2003 09:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (bbrv):
>Yes Cato, but do not miss the comments...;-)

oh, havent gotten there yet :) I'll check'em out, look..I filled in my email
address, just as you like it :)
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 14 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 19-May-2003 09:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Emeric SH):
>AmigaOS API and memory protection (the lack of it) is a known issue of the >Amiga world since ages. Both for OS4 and MOS developers.

yes, but crashing apps don't bring down my whole system, usally I loose
some memory.

>I may be mistaken in the details, but stating that it's not a known issue just >a personal problem of yours.

a personal problem of mine ?
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 15 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 19-May-2003 09:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (mahen):
>don't forget the reviewer knows nothing of the amiga world. He probably tried >to run some AGA or hardware banging

The reviewer (a she?) did manage to download and install a non existing tcp/ip
stack (miamidx) and set it up....i wouldn't call that "knows nothing of the amiga world" :)
I've even seen people on morphzone having problems installing miami, with its installer script(had to manually remove some lines in the script)
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 16 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 19-May-2003 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (catohagen):
" yes, but crashing apps don't bring down my whole system, usally I loose
some memory."

Then Elena would comment your system just as well immature. :-)

As to crashes, Pegasos behaves much like an Amiga, most crashes only result in dead applications, which you can freeze/remove from within scout. Exceptions are rare, just as with modern Amiga systems.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 17 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2003 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (catohagen):
>yes, but crashing apps don't bring down my whole system, usally I loose
>some memory.

You continue working with the system then? That's *a bit* risky IMHO.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 18 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 19-May-2003 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Emeric SH):
>Then Elena would comment your system just as well immature. :-)

:) ok, probably _but_ stuff like this get worse if you maybe did
some important work in another program, and you happend to start a program
and then the whole system freezes, you work is lost.

>As to crashes, Pegasos behaves much like an Amiga, most crashes only result in >dead applications, which you can freeze/remove from within scout. Exceptions >are rare, just as with modern Amiga systems.

ok....I maybe i shouldn't commented in this thread, we could go on and on...i
should really buy a system to make my opinion of it.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 19 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 19-May-2003 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (David Scheibler):
>You continue working with the system then? That's *a bit* risky IMHO.

never had any problems with that...i leave my system on for weeks, i usally
reset when I need all memory.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 20 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 19-May-2003 09:41 GMT
Hello,

"yes, but crashing apps don't bring down my whole system, usally I loose
some memory."

Yes most of the time in AmigaOS the app just freeze and you can *continue* tu use the system anyway.

But sometimes it happens that an application can corrupt a critical part of the system when crashing and so make the system freezing also.

That's exactly the same under MorphOS' A-Box. Except that only the A-Box freeze, the Quark kernel is still alive but you can't kill/restart the A-Box for now because the drivers (display drivers...etc), etc.
are currently running in the A-Box. However these will later be
moved into the Q-Box.
So in the future it'll be possible to simply restart the A-Box. Just like you can restart Classic in MacOS X when it crashes.

Regards
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 21 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan Denis on 19-May-2003 09:41 GMT
MorphOS should be classed an an Alpha OS, beta is a misleading word to use.

Bill Buck please explain why your company is misleading customers in to thinking they are getting a usable OS?
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 22 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2003 09:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (catohagen):
>never had any problems with that...i leave my system on for weeks, i usally
>reset when I need all memory.

As I said that's a bit too risky for me (on AmigaOS). I don't want to lose a
big document I have written the last two hours ago, just because the app
reads from trashed memory (Yes I know I can (auto)save, but I guess you got my
point).

BTW: I wouldn't buy a system just to see if you like it or not. That's what
demo shows are for. Just everybody who is interested in (any) system should
first get a real impression of it and visit some show. Genesi did attend around
30 shows the last year, and I'm sure also in the future there will be many
possibilities to get an own impression of the system :)
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 23 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Madgun68 on 19-May-2003 09:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Stefan Denis):
It IS usable. I use it every day.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 24 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by BatteMan on 19-May-2003 09:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Stefan Denis):
Hum, I'm using MorphOS since 4 months, and I only use it every day! It's usable (like my A1200), I have not a lot of reboot ('cause I use goods softwares).
I don't think I'd been misleaded as you say...

PS: I'm french, so excuse me for my poor english...
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 25 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2003 10:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (catohagen):
do you HAVE to spend money that you've saved up? why not stick it into a bank or savings and wait for when products are really available???
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 26 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 19-May-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (catohagen):
"should really buy a system to make my opinion of it."

<Joking>
You would be lead to believe that all the pegasoses are gone, but it seems the dealers still have them; So if you want to sell your soul and have the cash to increase your food expenses ten fold because of pill munchies, knock yourself out ;)
</joking>

Joking aside, Does anyone know if MorphOS is still going to be released for the PUP boards? or have current builds broken that?
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 27 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 19-May-2003 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
" do you HAVE to spend money that you've saved up? why not stick it into a bank or savings and wait for when products are really available???"

Having a real life means for most people that the only way to keep money for something is to buy it right away when you have the money. Shit happens and when it does you can consider part of your funds gone,Sods law makes sure that shit happens just after someones refused to take your hard saved money off of you ;)
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 28 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 19-May-2003 10:34 GMT
I don't think she is trying to compare MorphOS with WinXP,...

I think she's just considering the fact that we are now in 2003: and according to her, we should expect more than what MorphOS currently offers/supports of an OS in this year...

I totally agree with her: MorphOS shows good things but is far from being ready...

I just hope MorphOS developpers will take note of her remarks more than they took note of mines ;)

Leo.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 29 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 19-May-2003 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
I just cant....something always pops up, I bought a nice samsung lcd screen for
the money once, some nice kickass aluminium low-profile tyres for my car with
another saving(+ some more), my wife wanted to order some boots and a dress at Victorias Secret, swosh...another A1 out the door :) Its _very_ important to keep the ladys satisfied.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 30 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 19-May-2003 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (corpse):
>Having a real life means for most people that the only way to keep money for >something is to buy it right away when you have the money. Shit happens and when >it does you can consider part of your funds gone,Sods law makes sure that shit >happens just after someones refused to take your hard saved money off of you ;)


spot on!
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 31 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 19-May-2003 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (catohagen):
Spend someone elses money instead ;) My overdraft will be going up to £1500 about the time OS4 is out(from how I see it) :) and its interestless :))
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 32 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 19-May-2003 11:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (David Scheibler):
>As I said that's a bit too risky for me (on AmigaOS). I don't want to lose a
>big document I have written the last two hours ago, just because the app
>reads from trashed memory (Yes I know I can (auto)save, but I guess you got my
>point).

I'll say its better to have an upgoing system instead of a full lock, some of
the work I do with one of my Amigas is CNC routing (Take a look at
http://arexx.kicks-ass.net/cnc/ ) imagine what will happend when the machine
sends these codes, and the computer locks up, the tool costs ALOT and its
spinning with 18.000 rpm, if the machine stops sending work codes, the
router stops and wait, friction with the same wood increases temperature and
the tool would be so hot it would deform its structure. bad,bad thing to happen
:)
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 33 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 19-May-2003 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Leo):
> I don't think she is trying to compare MorphOS with WinXP,...
> I think she's just considering the fact that we are now in 2003: and
> according to her, we should expect more than what MorphOS currently
> offers/supports of an OS in this year...

But that is the interesting question: What is "more"? Exactly *what* are you expecting from an OS in 2003 (except from being ready). If you are looking for a modern desktop OS, then WinXP is the competition. If you are looking for a modern server OS, then Linux is the competition.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 34 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 19-May-2003 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (takemehomegrandma):
>Exactly *what* are you expecting from an OS in 2003

atleast a tcp stack ? :)
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 35 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2003 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (catohagen):
>I'll say its better to have an upgoing system instead of a full lock

Ok, then maybe you did completely misunderstand this. If an app crashes it does
not mean that automatically the A-BOX crashes completely. However as on
AmigaOS (if an app is hw banging/very buggy) a complete deadlock can happen but
not must happen. Hope that makes it more clear.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 36 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 19-May-2003 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (David Scheibler):
Hey David,

Any more information on the Q-Box progress?

Thanks,
Ian Shurmer
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 37 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 19-May-2003 12:52 GMT
Have no time to read all comments yet, only ten first, but the first one pretty much sums up my opinion:

quote:
"Well, perhaps it was a little bit too early to let an "outsider" review the platform, perhaps they should have waited for it to mature a little more"

as for 68k emulation not being good enough. If it runs, ImageFX, Cinema4D, Magellan, Wildfire, FinalWriter and several other BIG apps, even BETTER than real Amiga (=ImageFX is more stable, for example) it can't be in that bad shape, can't it?
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 38 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 19-May-2003 12:53 GMT
Indeed, the attributes of the Pegasos as a platform is that already several OSes have been ported to it - and many more are in process! This was considered very attractive to the Phoenix Developer Consortium, as we have tried to find a way to leverage a larger talent pool of alternative-platform developers but always there have been collisions between the platform's owners making collaboration or cooperative mindsets tough to come by.

When Phoenix saw what the Genesi roadmap was like for multiple OSes and spinoffs of the original Pegasos I design we felt that perhaps we had found a solution for our problems with platform owners, and we liked what we saw for the hardware future. With Pegasos II coming soon, and Eclipsis for tailored delivery devices, with Satellite TV and settop boxes... we feel that regardless of OS there are opportunities for developers of many OS preferences to do something on an alternative platform that has financial legs, and coincidentally a fledgling OS called MorphOS as well.

MorphOS is progressing rapidly in its ability to provide AmigaOS backwards compatibility transparently, and is designed for the future to provide - as you said - some really cool geek space. Anyone who appreciates an extremely fast and responsive, small footprint OS can easily design applications for desktop or OEM tailored platforms NOW!

So for the Phoenix Developer Consortium, Genesi seems to be the ideal partner: someone who appreciates the use of many OSes, allowing projects to come from many community mindsets, with room for innovation, entrepeneurship, and initiative. I would invite any interested developers with interest in any alternative OS to email me (see Phoenix website linked above) to get involved!

As far as pricing: expect this to be realistic as next-gen Pegasos II begins to ship sometime this summer or fall, and to be responsive to decreased manufacturing costs as higher volume kicks in. It may have been an early adopter and developer small volume unit with the first generation, but the intention is to be not only attractive from a geek toy standpoint, but to also make inroads for alternative computing : }


<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
 
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 39 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 19-May-2003 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Stefan Denis):
It is a usable OS; it must be since many of us are using it, using our Amiga applications, which seem to have many of the same vulnerabilities (bugs) as they did on classic hardware.

I really love the feel of MorphOS. It screams! And I look foward to seeing many improvements and additions to MorphOS in coming months. I have absolutely no regrets in getting involved in MorphOS in a state that might be considered analogous to pre-2.x AmigaOS. The first impression indeed, was very good!
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 40 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 19-May-2003 13:34 GMT
I had to re-read the "re-boots in 5 seconds" part 5 times. It brought a tear to my eyes. Tears of joy, that is, because, AmigaOne will have as good a re-boot time as that.

Too bad a non-co-operative 68k prg causes it to crash and burn. Hope A1 is immune to custom chip banging causing Gurus.

AmigaOne! All will be known, soon enough!!!
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 41 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 19-May-2003 13:37 GMT
Regarding mentions of lacks such as TCP stack, etc: These are being worked on, will come along in due time ; } - Perhaps some have forgotten the SuperBundle as well. As BBRV has said, Genesi intends to make Pegasos users some of the happiest users on the planet, and as I always paraphrase, the intention is to provide exeptional alternative platform value!

But some patience is still required : }  In the grand scheme of things we are just barely out of the gate. The roadmap is considerably ambitious and multi-faceted/dimensional, but we have not yet found ways to develop via tachyon CVS ; }
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 42 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 19-May-2003 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (catohagen):
>> AmigaOS API and memory protection (the lack of it) is a known issue of the >> Amiga world since ages. Both for OS4 and MOS developers.
>
> yes, but crashing apps don't bring down my whole system, usally I loose
> some memory.

Just tell me why I'm on AmigaOS and some app crash the whole system *reboots*?
And what are those red and yellow boxes blinking on my screen?

Yes, blame OS when apps are not code that well :-)
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 43 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 19-May-2003 13:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Atheist2):
Wipe the tears... three seconds here :-)
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 44 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 19-May-2003 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (hooligan/dcs):
> Wipe the tears... three seconds here :-)

Here too! :-)
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 45 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 19-May-2003 15:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (takemehomegrandma):
Amen ; }
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 46 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2003 16:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Atheist2):
> I had to re-read the "re-boots in 5 seconds" part 5 times. It brought a tear
> to my eyes. Tears of joy, that is, because, AmigaOne will have as good a
> re-boot time as that.

Still having difficulties telling hardware from software, Atheist2? The short boot times are thanks to the software (OS). Small amounts of data to load and process = short time to load and process the data. Get it? The ATA100 interfaces and the CPU/RAM speeds in a Pegasos/Teron are really nothing to write home about these days.

> Too bad a non-co-operative 68k prg causes it to crash and burn. Hope A1 is
> immune to custom chip banging causing Gurus.

Sheesh. Software is not hardware. Please! The "it" that "crashed and burned" was SOFTWARE - the application and a component (A/Box) of MorphOS to be more specific. A Teron mobo is no more "immune" to custom chip banging SOFTWARE than a Pegasos mobo or any other HARDWARE is.

That the Pegasos I, Teron, Mightron, and whatever other hardware that might use the Articia S northbridge will "crash and burn" on its own is another matter.

> AmigaOne! All will be known, soon enough!!!

All has been known about the Teron (and the Pegasos I) for quite a while. You just seem to stubbornly refuse to understand even the most basic concepts of what you're seeing. You still seem to be thinking in 1980's terms of "efficient Amiga hardware", but there is no more "Amiga hardware".
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 47 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Frans on 19-May-2003 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (hooligan/dcs):
How did you get ImageFX to run correctly?
I can't get it to work properly...
In fact I'm a little disappointed in my Pegasos, I thought it wouldn't be like Russian Roulette when trying out applications... Sorry, but thats the feeling I have.
I have a feeling my AmigaOne with OS4 WILL run more Amiga apps correctly than the current Morphos...
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 48 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by rich Woods on 19-May-2003 18:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (catohagen):
Posted by catohagen (81.29.32.150) on 19-May-2003 11:10:01


canceled my AmigaOne order. I was a few clicks away several times ordering a pegasos @ KDH a few times , but each time I changed my mind after some new business tacktic by BBRV...


Some people LOVE Bill, some people HATE Bill (Bill Gates I mean). They still buy his company's products.

Same here Pegasos is here, it's available (or again will soom be), it runs, it pretty much does what it is supposed to do, lot of promise for it.

Either buy it or don't. Don't judge the system on someone's personality or business tactics.

Between Genesi and Amiga's business tactics - the Pegasos IS out.

With amiga we have NO idea idea who's - opps - what's out.

May the best man win....
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 49 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 19-May-2003 18:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (David Scheibler):
>However as on AmigaOS (if an app is hw banging/very buggy) a complete deadlock can happen but not must happen. Hope that makes it more clear.

So, as in AmigaOS a complete crash is *likely* to appear...

And as in AmigaOS, if you crashed, for example, IBrowse, you *cannot* relaunch a new IB session... (unless you like to play with scout and you remove all IB tasks and semaphores,... BY HAND !!)
=> That means you cannot browse anymore,...

ETC...

Leo.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 50 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 19-May-2003 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Frans):
Installed it, then installed ppc-modules. I use ImageFX everyday and so far it has not crashed even once. Maybe some library/libraries causing problems?
I had problems when I tried to run Classic IFX (can not load a preview module or something like that), but the new interface works without problems.

I am using IFX4.1 under MOS 1.3

But if you have problems with other software aswell, there might be something else f*cking up the system. I attached my email, you can email me.. if I have the same softwares I can test how they work here. Maybe we can find whats the problem.
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