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[Web] MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed!ANN.lu
Posted on 19-May-2003 10:55 GMT by Hugh Jass54 comments
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In a somewhat surprising move, the people over at MorphZone have posted a screenshot of MorphOS 1.4.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 1 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-May-2003 09:03 GMT
hmm, well this is a screenshot you could make with MOS 1.3 too.
(anti aliased fonts are already available, transparency in menus too)
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 2 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-May-2003 09:05 GMT
(except a little different prefs application)
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 3 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-May-2003 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (mahen):
quite different actually

(printer, mixer, modeedit, pointer were added)

OK, I shut up !
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 4 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 19-May-2003 09:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (mahen):
:-)
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 5 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 19-May-2003 09:42 GMT
There is one thing which annoys me. Current AmigaOS does not have good grid for the icon positioning. And it seems that MorphOS 1.4 does not have it either. just look at the screenshot, those icons are not lined up properly. i know that the problem is that Amiga icons can have different sizes. But there really should be possibility to use good automatic position grid for the icons, it would make desktop look much cleaner. I know that there is some tools which can line up the icons, but it should be automatic and part of the OS.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 6 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 19-May-2003 09:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (miksuh):
miksuh: I like the fact I can position an icon exactly the way I want, but Ambient will probably get this kind of system later, if it's not already there (automatic positioning).

However when you use different sizes, bad aligments are less visible :)

anyway, it's just a little detail
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 7 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 19-May-2003 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (miksuh):
It is shame we have to use 3rd party software to lineup icons correctly.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 8 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2003 09:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (miksuh):
>I know that there is some tools which can line up the icons, but it should be
>automatic and part of the OS.

That's exactly what I hate about windows. The icons should be place wher I want
to have them and not where some dumb automatic positioning system wants them to
have.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 9 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2003 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (David Scheibler):
Ofcourse it should be just an option which you can turn on or off like you wish.
Most of the time it's just good that you can position your icons where you like. but as soon as there is one or more Appicons created by applications then you start to miss that grid. Same is true if you have many iconified applications. When there is many appicons and iconified applications then your destop starts soon look messy and ugly.

If you have an icon which you´want to be always at the same place then it's ok you can choose exactly where you place that icon. But Appicons are place dynamically. When you iconify your application it's icon can be placed in different place where it was last time application was iconified etc.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 10 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2003 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
thats still me (miksuh), forgot to type my nick :)
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 11 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 19-May-2003 10:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (miksuh):
miksuh: I agree. This automatic line-up feature would be excellent. Of course optional - just like it is in Windows...
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 12 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2003 10:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Janne Sirén):
Yep it would help icon positioning a lot and appicons would be in clean row too. I really want that feature.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 13 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Tcheko on 19-May-2003 10:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (David Scheibler):
Icon positioning should be let to the user choice :

Automatic or manual.

Even more the OS should have plug in for icon positioning. And plug in for menu, and plug in for whatever you think about.

It would be nice to have a script language (regina?) that can access method and properties of every object in the system...

os.ambiant.windows(n).icons(n).x = 150
os.ambiant.windows(n).icons(n).border = dashed
os.ambiant.windows(n).icons(n).shadow = true
os.ambiant.windows(n).menu("system").add(foe, joe, bar, ...)
os.apps(n).poptofront()
os.apps(n).kill
os.reboot(delay)
os.formatallpartitionrightnow(true)
...

Whatever you think about...

From a pretty empty stuff (like a non configured scalos), it would be possible to have lots of custom setup from community, to mix them, to change them and so on.

Add a nice IDE to play with those features, and we would see lots of fantastic Ambiant done by the community.

Give a zero featured Ambiant with deep script enabled system and we would see greatly improved Ambiant within some days!

It would be a top 3 feature I would have right now (and it would motivate me to get a PegOne instead of waiting for PegTwo).

Follow the job Mosteam!
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 14 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2003 10:26 GMT
It's not a very exciting image, I must add...
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 15 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by zeigerpuppy on 19-May-2003 10:30 GMT
Not very exciting??

Well, I really like the look of it, anyway. I'm keen to see MorphOS in action when I get back from Sweden. It looks like apps are getting ported too. Anyway, it certainly looks like a very usable OS... what mail/browser/word processing/graphics apps are people using?
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 16 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 19-May-2003 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (zeigerpuppy):
Yep I like the overall look too. Window gadgets are maybe a bit too small, but those are ofcourse skinnable so that should not be any problem.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 17 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 19-May-2003 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
the background image gives me the creeps, been fighting with that weed for some time now, 17mai is our nations day, i worked overtime all day trying to get the bastards away and let the garden look good for the big day :)
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 18 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by LorD on 19-May-2003 10:54 GMT
Well, it is just another screenshot, and everyone can make a different
screenshot even with OS3.1, it is not representative of an OS. No need
to post that kind of thing on ANN I think...
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 19 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 19-May-2003 11:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (David Scheibler):
>>That's exactly what I hate about windows. The icons should be place wher I want
>>to have them and not where some dumb automatic positioning system wants them to
have.

Eh? If you just uncheck auto arrange from windows you can position your icons just like on amiga (anywhere you want)
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 20 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2003 11:16 GMT
I also find the system gadgets ugly/too small. But I presume that
later versions of MOS will have a better and nicer default
look. Although, I have to add that the icons are really nice :)
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 21 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 19-May-2003 11:52 GMT
Morph OS look better and better every time I se it, wonder when the so called Q/Box is fixed?
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 22 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2003 13:19 GMT
"Utilities" and "Obejct"-menu ? I had heard something about that, and I would
really be pleased if it would be available for BT2 real soon. That is, if it
is really something like the "Tools"-menu in AOS2/3 and not what the "Utilities"-
menu is on MOS1.3 ;)

No more fussing around with docks, or icons on the desktop, just lots of empty
space and ONE place where I find my favourite apps.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 23 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 19-May-2003 13:52 GMT
Can someone show me what is special about this screenshot? To me the arrows and buttons look far from "pro" and frankly a bit substandard. Perhaps it can be put alongside a 1.3 screenshot ( with the same backdrop - which is a nice pic ) so we can see the delta?

I looked and Id like to say lots of nice gushing things about it but like the AOS4 screenshots - I can't.

Maybe Ive just changed from that kid who used to look at the screenshots on the back of C64 and Spectrum games ( and made purchasing decisions based on them )!
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 24 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by StAn on 19-May-2003 13:59 GMT
Regarding icons alignment.. I've made a small arexx script for OS 3.5+ which aligns the selected icons and doesn't touch at the unselected ones. That's quite convenient.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 25 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2003 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (StAn):
Where can I get that Arexx script? Would be handy.

Thanks.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 26 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2003 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (DaveP):
>I looked and Id like to say lots of nice gushing things about it but like the
>AOS4 screenshots - I can't

AmigaOS4.0 won't have anti aliased fonts for example.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 27 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 19-May-2003 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (David Scheibler):
@David

Big deal. But I asked 1.3 to 1.4 not AOS4 to MOS. I find both the *screenshots* of AOS4 and the *screenshots* of MOS1.4 distinctly un-wow.

Lets not get into an AOS4 vs MOS1.x point scoring match.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 28 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 19-May-2003 14:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (David Scheibler):
"AmigaOS4.0 won't have anti aliased fonts for example"

How do you know what the final version of AOS4 will and won't have?!
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 29 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2003 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (DaveP):
>Big deal.

In fact it really is.

>But I asked 1.3 to 1.4 not AOS4 to MOS.

Have a look the Ambiance gallery to compare the screenshots. IMHO most people
got crazy because of some new prefs ;)
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 30 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2003 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Peter Gordon):
>How do you know what the final version of AOS4 will and won't have?!

Thomas Frieden.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 31 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 19-May-2003 14:47 GMT
Guys, this is no official 1.4 screenshot. I just made a grab of the system I use every day. Nothing to get so exctited about.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 32 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 19-May-2003 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (gz):
@gz

...and once Windows' screen is changed to a smaller resolution temporarily, you can re-position those icons again which were in the right/bottom area...
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 33 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 19-May-2003 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (David Scheibler):
Define "final version of OS4". Antialiased fonts are probably not in 4.0, but may come later with other improvements.

BTW: nice picture, but I'd like to see bigger gadgets too.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 34 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2003 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Jon):
I spoke only about OS4.0, so I assumed when Peter mentioned final OS4 he meant
final OS4.0.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 35 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Felix on 19-May-2003 17:06 GMT
Great looking screenshot, nice tranceparency in the menu'sand all you complaining wusy's, stop giving ann a bad name.Felix.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 36 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 19-May-2003 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Felix):
Constructive critic?
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 37 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 19-May-2003 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Jon):
"BTW: nice picture, but I'd like to see bigger gadgets too."

Gadgets are easily customizable. I don't know if they have a size limit.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 38 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Mikael Burman on 19-May-2003 17:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (David Scheibler):
Ahem... you can place the icon wherever you want it... Windows will save the settings when rebooting!! =)
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 39 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 19-May-2003 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (David Scheibler):
Antialiasing is there to compensate for lack of resolution.
I prefer higher resolutions :)
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 40 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n on 19-May-2003 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
I thought you needed a magnification glass when viewing websites in 2048x1600?
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 41 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 19-May-2003 19:14 GMT
[THE LICENSE TO THIS POSTING HEREBY REQUIRES THE HUMOR-IMPAIRED TO DON THEIR PERIL-SENSITIVE SUNGLASSES NOW.]

Hey, it's MorphOS... and its application!

[YOU MAY REMOVE YOUR SUNGLASSES.]

I know, I know... and really, I know. I never said it was a *good* joke.

Anyhow, looks pretty, as usual. If I were picking things to improve in the skin, the dropdown text needs a few pixels of spacing from the Ambiguously Gray Stripe, and something similar is going on with the window gadgets- though that might be an intentional optimization for maximized edge-slamming? Same goes for the lack of transparency in the icon in the prefs.

I could get involved in (tearing down) the whole icon-arrangement debate going, but enh... look to the "What if everything were a docky?" approach I posited in an OS4 thread. Ambient is proof you can rip out "Workbench" and replace it with something else, but now it's a new monolith to whinge over. I probably don't envy the API tangle involved, but it'd be great if you could just tear out the individual chunks of code that present [the menu/titlebar | the 'desktop' | the file browser] and replace them with something wholly different, without needing to do it all from scratch 'every' time. Basically, the code that retrieves and massages the data to present (X files are in path Y, associated with Z icons; process A has focus with A.{1..n} menu items) should be a standard system service separate from the code that presents it... in any OS. Feel free to kick me and tell me how close/far MOS/Ambient or the classic Amiga API is from realizing this ideal. [And, hmm... does MorphOS offer a path to the desktop via the filesystem? I forget.]

More detail on progress toward a native mode/process protection increases respect and is always welcome.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 42 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 20-May-2003 02:13 GMT
Let's break down what we know of the latest unofficial screenshot of MOS1.4. The Antiailising is nice and especially welcomed for TFT users. The Transparent/Blurred effect (popup perhaps?) menu is quite slick. The change in icons was desperately needed, the ones that are with Ambient's first release reminded me of the ketchup and mustard I put on my hotdogs... Definately a bit more professional look and feel in just those icons (on the desktop) alone. The menu skinning looks good, but as another person said, it might be better to shove the text over by 3 or 4 pixels so as to not overlap the 2-tone blue.

That's about all I can say that is good for this screenshot. Now on to the MUI based preferences. Ouch. Let's take something that looks very dated and throw it into a modern design. That's like taking an application from AmigaOS1.3 (prefs to be exact) and dropping it into the OSX desktop. MUI desperately needs an overhaul, from the borders available to the design and potentially skinning of the buttons. MUI also needs to add in layering, transparencies, layer effects (i.e. blur(), sepia(), emboss(), fade(durration, frames, boolean in/out)) etc. The arrows on the MUI app need to be tossed, the list icons need alpha layers. And for crying out loud, give the user the ability to change the color of the borders and text so if they want black background with lightblue text it's possible without any major color hacking involved. Take the MUI app out and you have a good looking screenshot if you ask me.

No offense intended to the Morph squad... just constructive criticism is all.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 43 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 20-May-2003 04:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (the man in the shadows):
I dont get it - why are people obviously more interested in the looks rather than the functionality?
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 44 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 20-May-2003 05:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (the man in the shadows):
If one user doesn't use skinning for MUI buttons, backgrounds etc. - it doesn't mean you can't

I really can't see, what's the big "announcement" with this pic, in Ambience, people can show screenshots of their desktops for public, what's the problem with someone (developer or BT1) already using 1.4? That's only representation, of what kind of desktop one user likes to have.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 45 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n on 20-May-2003 06:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
Because functionality comes not only from a good piece of code. Take Real3D v2.x up to 3.x., or take Blender3D, they both use a horrible GUI which is hard to use. That has resulted in fewer users. Now by common sence, the package means alot.

Adding to that, I like KDE 3.1.x, and one of the reasons for that is the great looking environment which makes me feel productive. The Gnome people always say the same as you, but there are more KDE users now than there are Gnome.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 46 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 20-May-2003 08:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Senex):
>>and once Windows' screen is changed to a smaller resolution temporarily, you can re-position those icons again which were in the right/bottom area...

Fair enough since that's true, though usually people don't change their windows screen resolution often once they've chosen their favorite. (I've had mine unchanged for over 2 years)

Probably there are also several little freeware programs that let you handle your icons on windows just like on amiga.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 47 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Gadd on 20-May-2003 12:10 GMT
Looks nice.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 48 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by StAn on 20-May-2003 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
http://off.free.fr/prods/IconAlign.rexx
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 49 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 21-May-2003 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
Well if you look at the “Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews” news item, find that most users agree that MorphOS is not so functional, or at least it lacks some functionality, and there is problems with the 68k emulation and crashes, the emulation have problems recover form crashes, on this tired it about how the screen shot looks. I give Morph OS a five star out of six for it’s looks any day. Abut from the feature list I give it tow star out of six for the sate it’s in.
MorphOS 1.4 Screenshot Revealed! : Comment 50 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Felix on 21-May-2003 08:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (m0ns00n):
KDE & Gnome both suck, so that's no comparisment :)
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