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[News] Remember PIOS? History from David HaynieANN.lu
Posted on 20-May-2003 07:50 GMT by James Carroll (Edited on 2003-05-20 11:12:24 GMT by Christian Kemp)20 comments
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James Carroll quotes Dave Haynie: I was a founder of Metabox, along with Andy Finkel (ex-Director of Software at Amiga) and two German businessmen, Stefan Domeyer and Geerd Ebeling. We were originally called PIOS Computer, back in the Mac Clone days. PIOS/Metabox had the first 300MHz Mac Clone shipping -- that should set the coordinated for your way-back machine. We bought the motherboards from UMAX, which also carried the license, and made our own CPU cards (actually designed by Thomas Rudloff). (via Slashdot). More below.

Whoa! My ears are burning!

There actually was a Mac "emulator" for the Atari ST (which everyone called the "Jackintosh" when it came out) first. I didn't agree with the term "emulator" everyone used, since it really wasn't an emulator, but a port of MacOS to the Atari hardware, without Apple's permission. I dubbed this a "Hostile Port".

The early versions for the Amiga worked as well, but eventuall you got versions that ran as a more-or-less well behaved task under AmigaOS. That was pretty cool, if you needed Mac software... you could have Mac and Amiga at the same time. In those days, the Amiga had one of the fastest Mac hard drives, thanks to DMA, available -- dramatically faster than any "real" Mac.

I was a founder of Metabox, along with Andy Finkel (ex-Director of Software at Amiga) and two German businessmen, Stefan Domeyer and Geerd Ebeling. We were originally called PIOS Computer, back in the Mac Clone days. PIOS/Metabox had the first 300MHz Mac Clone shipping -- that should set the coordinated for your way-back machine. We bought the motherboards from UMAX, which also carried the license, and made our own CPU cards (actually designed by Thomas Rudloff).

I was working on a CHRP system, which wasn't terribly easy in the day. It had a separate CPU module, along the lines of what they had planned for the second generation BeBox (not precisely the same, but had they gone forward, it probably would have become so), and we had single and quad processor modules in development, G2 stuff in Apple terms. Future modules could have done G3, G4, or PPC970 for that matter. But Apple did pull the plug before this was finished, and Metabox [rightly] didn't see a viable market in a PPC machine that couldn't run MacOS. Of course, the Mac had over twice the market it has today.

The CPU modules kept selling, and Metabox acquired a US branch, based in Austin Texas, to bring some of this to the US market, but it wasn't expecially good timing, since Apple finally got aggressive with G3 machines.

We had three STBs -- the Metabox 500, based on the PC architecture and OS/2, the Metabox 100, which was an OEM from Teknema/Ravisent, and the never-completed Metabox 1000. That was my design, Thomas joined in later, and we had more people building add-ins for it, like a DVD/DVB decoder. This was roughly DVD-player-shaped. It ran a proprietary, AmigaOS-like OS developed under Andy and one of the Germans, Carsten Scholte(sp), called CaOS. The Amiga coonection was pretty key -- we tapped into numerous, well developed technologies like MUI (OO-graphics), Voyager (a browser), etc. This all ran on a ColdFire 5307/5407, not my top choice for a CPU, but a decent enough CPU if you had hardware for MPEG.

Metabox failed when the management got totally nuts, due to the stock prices rising (my shares, which I couldn't sell then, peaked at about US$5.8 million, but I got out of Metabox in terrible financial shape, with them owing me about $75,000 in salary alone). Basically, they spent money on nutty sponsorships: they tried to create a German basketball league, they sponored Forumla 1 racing, Soccer teams, etc. They bought a small film studio.

Meanwhile, the engineering team wasn't getting paid regularly, as the shares started falling in the fall of 2000. They pulled some maneuvers, probably illegal, that effectively stole all of my and Andy's shares in the company, replacing them with then-worthless, unregistered shares, all without our permission. A year of in-and-out of bankruptcy killed off the positive happenings at the US branch (I was CTO there in late 2000/early 2001, we were getting serious interest in the STB from Blockbuster, Enron, and others... ok, so maybe it was fated, anyway, to fail :-).

They went into another bankruptcy late last year, more of the Chapter 7 than Chapter 11 sort from what I heard, but I don't know the German rules that well. Basically, the management proved, in less successful times, to be a bunch of criminals, stabbing their own partners in the back this way. I'd love to report they're all in jail now, but German law doesn't seem to have much to say unless you're German (they actually have excellent protections for employees - thankfully, most of our crew didn't get hosed).

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Posted by Peter Gordon on 20-May-2003 06:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Fuck):
OK, and this xenophobic response is due to what?
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In reply to Comment 2 (Peter Gordon):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: If you say "don't feed the trolls", then don't feed them. :)
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 20-May-2003 07:17 GMT
Reading about Dave's financial losses with Metabox makes the 750€ they owe(d) me fairly meaningless. (They advertised on ANN, but never paid.)
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Posted by Ben Yoris on 20-May-2003 07:22 GMT
If only Thomas could have finished the memory managment of the AmiJoeCard G3...

That could have been a different story : G3 for all 1200 back in 2000...

Snif.
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-May-2003 07:35 GMT
First of all: The name is Carsten Schlote (not Scholte ;-)

I do not think, that the german law distincts between residents and non-residents in such a case - but the share-holders simply are at the end of the chain in an insolvency court case. First taxes and social insurance, then employees at some point, then - normally - nothing is left. The salaries of foreign employees are a different question - as german employee you have an "work insurance" (some percentage of your salary is paid in there) and most of the money (that we employees finally got in the end) came from this insurance. To make this more complicated, this insurance is not a private one and it has different rules for dealing with people just becoming job-less or being employed by a bancrupt company. People employed by a company getting insolvent, may receive 3 months of salary as soon as the insolveny became irreversible (thus bancrupty) afterwards. The latter was enforced by the government (i.e. law) to ensure that people do not get jobless (or need to leave such a company) when there's still a change that it might be saved by some investor.

I'm not a layer, so please excuse minor glitches in this statement.
But I've been employed by the same company as Dave (working together) so that all these experiences almost qualify you for expert knownledge in this area...
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Posted by José on 20-May-2003 07:38 GMT
I was waiting for it too...
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-May-2003 07:38 GMT
sorry, spelling now fixed:

>(or need to leave such a company) when there's still a chance that it might be >saved by some investor.

>I'm not a lawyer, so please excuse minor glitches in this statement.
>But I've been employed by the same company as Dave (working together) so that all >these experiences almost qualify you for expert knowledge in this area...
Remember PIOS? History from David Haynie : Comment 9 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 20-May-2003 10:12 GMT
I remember P-OS too. Not related but it was one potential solution that appeared at the same time...
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Posted by PMC on 20-May-2003 10:49 GMT
The demise of Metabox is yet another sad tale.... I remember drooling at the thought of a 300Mhz G3 in my desktop A1200. Just imagine the sort of stuff you could have done with it!

Ironically, the Amijoe would have forced a migration to PPC far sooner thanks to the fact that it was a PPC only board with software based 68k emulation. Shame it will remain a fascinating piece of forgotten hardware.

BTW does anyone know what happened to the prototype boards?
Remember PIOS? History from David Haynie : Comment 11 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 20-May-2003 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Elwood):
pOS was made by ProDAD, not PIOS. BUT, IIRC, it was supposed to run on the PIOS One? or am I just going mad? :)
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Posted by Elwood on 20-May-2003 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Peter Gordon):
>pOS was made by ProDAD, not PIOS.
Who said that ? Not me. I just thought about pOS too, that's all....
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Posted by Ben Yoris on 20-May-2003 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (PMC):
I once contacted Dave Haynie to learn what happened.

One proto is in Titan Computer's hands and H&P should have got one (that's what Jurgen Haage told me in 2000 in Saint Louis).

But without memory managment, you couldn't boot : the Amiga diagnostic bios flashes red or yellow (or whatever color related to memory problems) because the G3 reserves memory at boot time and can't adress the only 2 Meg of chipram.

Definitely sad story...
Remember PIOS? History from David Haynie : Comment 14 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Merz on 20-May-2003 15:33 GMT
Does anybody know what happened to Dr. Peter K.?
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 20-May-2003 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Martin Merz):
Don't know. It might be interesting to hear from anyone who knows. (Anyone?)
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Posted by Martin Merz on 20-May-2003 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Christian Kemp):
Last thing I heared: He is in some medical company...
But I'm not quite shure...
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Posted by Sam Dunham on 20-May-2003 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Martin Merz):
As to what Dave Haynie is doing now:

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What HAVE I been doing lately? Well, in The Work Thing, I'm the principle HW guy at Sizig, Inc; a small startup company, based in Philadephia. Our primary project is a consumer robot, but probably not what you're thinking. If successful, maybe a sort of "C64 of home robots", in most of the ways you could apply that idea. This is the best thing I've been involved with since Commodore. It's a good feeling!

We're well aware of the bad investment environment these days -- you're crazy to do a start-up now, right? But we have, it's been going over a year-and-a-half (I was involved since April 2002, and fulltime since October), so we've kept the development smart, as opposed to BIG, and will not rush this project. I'm still working most days out of my home office/lab (about 1000 sq. ft. in my cellar, more space than I personally had a Commodore).

In the shorter term, we have a spin-off of some elements of this technology into another market, which I won't discuss right now. This is one of those curious markets that's fairly large, not understood to be that large by most people, and totally back in the 40's or so, technology-wise. We think that dragging them into the 21rst century will be well met.

I'm also doing more video than ever... which I really didn't do back in the Amiga days, there just wasn't time for hobbies or any sort of side business. I'm shooting weddings and other events, making DVDs, etc. Not really THAT strange; before I was a computer nerd I was a photography nerd. The DVD is the ideal place to unify all my skills: computers, video, audio, photography, artwork, music, etc. I did a "Deathbed Vigil" re-release last year, as a justification to buy the software needed, and I have a PAL version on the way REAL SOON NOW.

Thanks for the interest, and a chance to write about some of the good stuff [other bad stuff intentionally left out]...
-Dave Haynie

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This was a follow up to a follow up to the original post as taken from /.
Remember PIOS? History from David Haynie : Comment 18 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-May-2003 19:59 GMT
>It ran a proprietary, AmigaOS-like OS developed under Andy and one of the >Germans, Carsten Scholte(sp), called CaOS. The Amiga coonection was pretty >key -- we tapped into numerous, well developed technologies like MUI (OO->graphics), Voyager (a browser), etc. This all ran on a ColdFire 5307/5407, not >my top choice for a CPU, but a decent enough CPU if you had hardware for MPEG

CaOS, MUI, Voyager.....hang on! how come i know NOTHING of this bit of devlopment in the computer world? I feel like my lack of knowledge in this field is leaving me vulnerable!!
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Posted by Flute on 21-May-2003 21:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
CaOS,MUI,Voyager... I remember this from about two years ago... but unless you knew people involved you probably wouldn't have heard anything about it because it was all hush hush....
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Posted by Casey R Williams on 23-May-2003 05:29 GMT
So where is CaOS now?, not going to waste I hope!
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