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Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 1 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 20-May-2003 13:23 GMT
A well done interview! Thanks alot Kees. :-)
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 2 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-May-2003 14:03 GMT
My questions were not answered. :-(

"... but from a business point of view: Why will you succeed? Tell the people who is thinking about putting development efforts towards your OS platform how their efforts will be rewarded. What future does your OS have, and why (business-wize)? How will you "make the future bright"? Are you solely relying on the brand name "Amiga", or can you give us a hint of your strategies?"

I guess they were either considered to be too uninteresting or too difficult to answer.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 3 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-May-2003 14:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (takemehomegrandma):
"My questions were not answered. :-("

How can your questions be answered if they were not asked.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 4 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-May-2003 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Well I asked them, so there has to be some selection somewhere in the line by someone.

I believe that I'm not the only one interested in how Hyperion will make the future bright for their OS. Every potential developer that is considering to invest time and money to develop products for that OS should be asking these questions. It all comes down to business, and everyone thinking about to get involved has to make up his mind of whether the OS has a future or not!

IMO, clear communication on this matter is essential for the future of the OS. But I guess someone thought the questions were not interesting enough or too difficult to answer.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 5 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by nOMAAM on 20-May-2003 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (takemehomegrandma):
Like i stated in the comments i made a selection ... sorry for not relaying your question .. maybe next time.

Greets
Kees
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 6 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-May-2003 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (nOMAAM):
OK.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 7 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 20-May-2003 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (nOMAAM):
May we expect a regular "Ask Ben!" on Amiga.org then? :DDD
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 8 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-May-2003 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Emeric SH):
That would be nice. :-)
Much more interesting than Fleecys Flummery Fluff anyway!
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 9 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Gadd on 20-May-2003 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Emeric SH):
Anything is better than "Ask Fleecy", forget the useless Q&A type stuff and see if products actually turn up.

Anyone still waiting for a t-shirt :o)
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 10 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by PMC on 20-May-2003 17:05 GMT
At least three times the past month I've nearly succumed to temptation and bought myself a gamers PC system as there's so many decent titles out there......What's holding me back? Well every time I read some bad news I think "right, order the PC this week", but then something always happens to make me change my mind. I am pretty fond of our beloved platform really, and am sort of waiting to see what happens next before I either do/don't take the PC plunge....That and I cannot stand using Windows LOL!
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 11 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 20-May-2003 17:45 GMT
This is good Interview by Ben Hermans,
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 12 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Kay on 20-May-2003 17:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (PMC):
I have a solution for you: Buy an AmigaOne! If you still have enough money for a PC after that, donate it to the Mozilla fund :-). Now you CAN'T buy a PC, even if you should want to. Besides, there are some decent titles for the Mac as well, which can be played under MOL. That might help reducing the temptation a bit. :-)

Kay
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 13 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 20-May-2003 17:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Kay):
Ben Hermans mentions 90+ betatesters for OS4... where are these people? do they exist? do they post here?


Who here has seen OS4 running?
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 14 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 20-May-2003 18:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Darth_X):
He is right.

Do you have a problem?

Please remember that testers have signed NDA.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 15 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 20-May-2003 18:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Darth_X):
He is right.

Do you have a problem?

Please remember that testers have signed NDA.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 16 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 20-May-2003 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Darth_X):
Well Hyperion is in the biz of porting games, they have always had there own beta testers, they do not need to employ anyone how leeks information, to do the task, if anyone are herd by Hyperion you don't talk to loud about it you are loyal to the money and the work if you like your job.

(I'm not one of them, just talke from my point of view)
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 17 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 20-May-2003 18:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Kjetil):
Not to forget betatesters who earlier tested OS3.x.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 18 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by PMC on 20-May-2003 18:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Kay):
Hahahaha!Well Kay, this is why I've sat on the fence for so long. I already own a PS2, which provides me with the "wow" factor when playing 3D games.I'm no fan of Windows, and I've used Amiga for fourteen years now so I'm kind of hoping that the underdog will have the last laugh. Crazy I know, and investing in an AOne/Pegasos/whatever isn't the logical choice, but I've stuck it out for this long.....
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 19 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-May-2003 18:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Kjetil):
Mind you, beta testers are *NOT* employeed. They volunteer and if they are do
their job, they get the product for free after it's release. There were problems
in the past, some betatesters got the game and just disappeared, without any
bug report. ALL betatesters are NDA-ed.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 20 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Kay on 20-May-2003 20:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (PMC):
Heh, I've got a PS2 as well, so I kind of feel like I'm fighting Microsoft on two fronts. :-)

Seriously, when it comes to games, what I've been missing mostly is good strategy games. There are few RTG-compliant offerings for the Amiga, and these games don't really work as well on consoles as they do on desktops. But having MOL helps a great deal. I have Alpha Centauri up and running right now, and have also ordered:
Starcraft
Tropico
CaesarIII
Not hottest or newest titles, but it surely helps :-). The other main category where the desktop usually beats consoles is first-person shooters. Thankfully, Hyperion will be providing quite a few good ones on the AmigaOne. For all other genres, I have my PS2.

The way I see it, the AmigaOne+PS2+A1200 combo should give me all the computing I need, without having to get a PC:
Every-day use - AmigaOS4
Retro gaming - A1200
Strategy gaming - AmigaOS4 and MacOS through MOL
FPS games - AmigaOS4
Most other games - PS2
Serious software not available for AOS - LinuxPPC

Come on, you know you want one...;-)

Kay
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 21 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Kay on 20-May-2003 20:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Kay):
Actually, I just remembered I have a Palm, so make that *three* fronts.

Kay
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 22 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 20-May-2003 21:03 GMT
you know what would be nice, if we had some leaders in this community who didn't have the sensitivities of an 11 year old girl.

obviously I am talking about the calls for censorship, when someone disagrees
with Ben.

But his interviews very much need to be debated. For example, he will say
he has tangible proof that Amiga Inc. is not going bust any time soon.
But he doesn't tell us what the proof is.

That's not proof. It just isn't. Someone grab a dictionary please.
If what you have can't be used to prove anything then its not proof.
Proof, by definition, is convincing and persuasive demonstration.

He has proof that is secret. Well, then its no use as proof!

Why does it go down like this OVER and OVER and OVER again.
Where, its trust me again....and trust me again.

If he has a product to sell, then we have a product we can consider buying.
Until then we have NOTHING.

Thats not saying he is a liar...that is saying until we have SOMETHING
we have NOTHING. Until we have PROOF, we lack PROOF.

It's very simple logic, and Ben Hermans personally attacked me and called
me a FOOL for suggesting that until he says something, he has still said nothing.

No, I don't have a look at Amiga, Inc.s financial possibilities, but until
something has been shown, nothing has been shown.

Someone said Ben Hermans is a clerk who thinks he is a lawyer...hell if the man isn't a lawyer yet, I'd give him his degree today. He really excels in being vague and bending the meaning of words to their breaking point.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 23 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by nOMAAM on 20-May-2003 21:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (MarkTime):
Is he obliged to show you that proof ?

i think not
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 24 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 20-May-2003 21:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (nOMAAM):
Proof is a clear and convincing demonstration.

If he can't demonstrate it, its not proof.

He's not obliged to do anything. In fact, he could have easily
have not claimed to have proof, and not answered for Amiga, Inc.
Amiga, Inc. is a separate company from the one he works for.

He says he has proof though, his suggestion, his idea.
But now, he won't demonstrate it.

Well, its not proof, unless it proves something.

But if we are talking about obligations, nomaam, he is not obligated,
neither am I obligated....we'll all just do what we want, and say
no one can stop us....is that the idea?
cause if it is...I will have to disagree with that too :0)
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 25 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by nOMAAM on 20-May-2003 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (MarkTime):
We don't disagree on your last issue ...

My point was/is that he is not obliged to show you that "proof" .. what did you expect .. that he just hands over whatever he has about AI's situation ?


regards,
Kees
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 26 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 20-May-2003 21:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (MarkTime):
You're not owed any "proof". Does Gateway, or Amiga Inc. owe you any money?

Then you're pissing in the wind.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 27 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by nOMAAM on 20-May-2003 21:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Some Farker):
well .. AI does owe alot of people some T-shirts for that matter.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 28 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by nOMAAM on 20-May-2003 21:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (nOMAAM):
or is that the way around .. hehe ... i hate english .. you should all learn dutch :-)
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 29 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Bernd Meyer on 20-May-2003 21:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (nOMAAM):
Someone please tell me whether I am going nuts --- I seem to distinctly remember reports from WOA last year saying that Hyperion showed off ExecSG running to the mini-shell, as well as 68k-compiled OS4 modules --- and that they stated they were only days away from full integration to the point where they could boot OS4 on PPC alone.But I can't seem to find those reports. Is it because I haven't had enough sleep, and am hallucinating? Or is it because I haven't had enough sleep, and suck at searching? Somebody please put my mind to rest :)
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 30 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-May-2003 22:57 GMT
On AOrg someone said the main difference between AOne and Peg is 200USD - but
where can I buy AOne for less than 700USD?
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 31 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-May-2003 23:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Bernd Meyer):
I've busted my wrist and can't type fast, so I won't be searching the archives but your memory is 100% accurate, it was stated that integration & other steps needed to boot Workbench would take only a few days (a precise number may have been offered).

A couple of months later this was "clarified" to explain that in fact the integration work had still not begun and that it might take considerable time to do properly. I'm sure I saw this part on one of those mailing lists that the Friedens regularly pretend to "leave" [*], maybe the OS4 list.

[*] Characteristics of Hyperion staff behaviour: Childish threats and tantrums; Smug self-congratulating attitude.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 32 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 21-May-2003 01:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (nOMAAM):
"well .. AI does owe alot of people some T-shirts for that matter."

...which has nothing to do with Hyperion. Demanding they provide any proof about anything with relation to Amiga, Inc's financial status is ridiculous.

Now an OS4 progress roadmap, that would be nice.

But what do I know? I'm just a stupid American.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 33 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Bodie on 21-May-2003 01:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Bernd Meyer):
It is because you have survived the horror of studying at Monash Uni :P
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 34 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 21-May-2003 01:35 GMT
I doubt anybody would tell Hyperion that Amiga Inc. was going bust if indeed it is. The owners, employees, and contractors would have no interest in doing so.

Two details which are yet forthcoming are:

1) How well will the A1 run legacy titles

2) When
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 35 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 21-May-2003 03:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Some Farker):
Some Farker wrote:

> You're not owed any "proof".

That's correct. But the consequence of saying you have proof but not demonstrating it is an unbelieving audience. If Ben doesn't care if people believe him or not about Amiga, Inc.'s situation, then his actions are appropriate. If he meant his words to have a positive impact for Amiga, then he failed by simply talking about proof but not offering it. Either choice, to share or not share the proof, is valid, and each has a definite result.

-- gary_c
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 36 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-May-2003 04:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (gary_c):
"But the consequence of saying you have proof but not demonstrating it is an unbelieving audience"

Well. He was just ansering the question wether Hyperion was able to work on AOS if Amiga Inc. would be sold. He said the contract was clear, but didn't think it was going to happen because *HE* is convinced by the proof he has Amiga Inc. is not going down. He doesn't have to show the proof, he doesn't have to make us all believe it's true (which usually won't happen anyhow, people will start flaming again), he is just stating what he thinks is going to happen based on his inside knowledge (which is most probably NDA-bound as well).
Just accept the answer to the question... If Amiga Inc. goes down/is sold Hyperion can still continue to work on AOS wether that is likely to happen or not.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 37 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 21-May-2003 05:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Are they using the same beta tester over and over, the once how are loyal from past experience or do experiment on how joins inn.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 38 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 21-May-2003 05:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Bernd Meyer):
"Someone please tell me whether I am going nuts --- I seem to distinctly remember reports from WOA last year saying that Hyperion showed off ExecSG running to the mini-shell, as well as 68k-compiled OS4 modules --- and that they stated they were only days away from full integration to the point where they could boot OS4 on PPC alone."

Wasn't that mini-shell in the "BIOS"?

And here we are only 200 days later, with the integration done. It _is_ progressing, just taking ten times as long as they announce each time.

IMO everything is fine except their time estimates.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 39 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by PMC on 21-May-2003 06:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Kay):
I know I want one! If only just to be different......

I agree with the observations on different game genres being suited to different platforms. Trying to find a decent strategy game for a PS2 isn't as easy as finding an FPS, but it's the lack of sims on the AOne that is going to be a problem. There's no way Hyperion (although I'd love to be proved wrong) will be able to license a decent sim from a big-name publisher. In any case, such a release would make no sense right now as the AOne needs some real attention grabbers to drum up some interest in the gaming community. Like it or not, the majority of us long time Amiga owners were originally seduced by stuff like Xenon II, Shadow of the Beast etc. Wouldn't it be great to see some real eye candy being produced again?

Oh, and I'll have a 2003 update of Deluxe Paint too please!
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 40 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 21-May-2003 07:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Kjetil):
Well, known testers are used, but I really don't know about OS4's, as the last
thing I tested for them was Quake2, which I resigned, cause my BPPC system broke
down.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 41 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Jim Forbes-Ritte (AGAfaster) on 21-May-2003 07:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (nOMAAM):
But everyone knows that Dutch is the same as English, but with different words !

some of us (ie me) went for that T-shirt thing but arent particularly waiting for the T-shirt. indeed when it comes, It'll probably get worn in bed in the cold nights of winter, or Kidnapped by the wife for decorating (or summat) in !
I, instead, am waiting for an OS and a machine to run it on.

it was a good interview, thanks to all who participated.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 42 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Kay on 21-May-2003 07:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (PMC):
Oh yes, sims, I forgot about that genre...don't think I've played one since Gunship2000 (unlesss you were thinking of business sims, but there are a few of these which can be played on the AmigaOne, so I'm gueesing you're not). Maybe we should start a fund to donate to the first person to make worthy sequel to ADS (Advanced Destroyer Simulator). :-D

Seriously, you're right, though. I guess sims is a genre which quickly gets marginalized when a platform shrinks.

> Wouldn't it be great to see some real eye candy being produced again?

Certainly. But it would take a lot to impress a gaming community which is used to Final Fantasy-grade artwork. Still, we could excel at gameplay. The gaming industry has stagnated a bit when it comes to originality. If we could have some original titles which looked nice, and played fantastic, that should draw some attention.

> Oh, and I'll have a 2003 update of Deluxe Paint too please!

:-) Now that would turn some heads, wouldn't it? Hmmm...wonder how that new version of Protracker is doing...

Kay
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 43 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Jim Forbes-Ritte (AGAfaster) on 21-May-2003 07:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Kay):
...and I'll have 2003 updates to Piles'o'Tiles too !
(SOTB and Lemmings'd be nice too, as well as R-Type)
any one know how to get in touch with the geezer that
did Piles'o'Tiles ? I rediscovered my AF Coverdisk version
recently, and have been unable to put it down. I think he was
'Sneech' or something ?
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 44 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Kay on 21-May-2003 08:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Jim Forbes-Ritte (AGAfaster)):
You mean the well known Paul "Shoecake" Burkey? You can find both the man and his games (look under Past Projects for Piles 'o' Tiles) at
www.shoecake.com

Kay
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 45 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 21-May-2003 08:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
>On AOrg someone said the main difference between AOne and Peg is 200USD - but
>where can I buy AOne for less than 700USD?

Look at the add here on ann, right above, from Vesalia.
749 and 576 ex. vat for both systems.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 46 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Jim Forbes-Ritte (AGAfaster) on 21-May-2003 08:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Kay):
ta mate, nice one !

I'll go have a look. wonder if he'd still like a regi fee ? ;-)
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 47 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by PMC on 21-May-2003 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Kay):
> Oh yes, sims, I forgot about that genre...

The first game I played on my old A500 was Interceptor...... Then managed to get hold of Falcon and all my frustrated jet pilot tendancies were taken care of LOL! I can remember when those titles really were state of the art sims, and I still play Combat Flight Sim 1&2 (yes, I know who publishes it!) whenever I can. I also love playing Sierra's Grand Prix Legends too. Yep, real eye-candy simulations on the AOne would probably be a foolish indulgence right now but I wouldn't complain if Hyperion surprised me with one (make it Grand Prix Legends please)!

> If we could have some original titles which looked nice, and played fantastic, that should draw some attention.

Couldn't agree more. Every new gaming system has had it's headline titles to entice the punters - look at Sega/Sonic, Nintendo/Mario and WipeOut/PS1. This is also a reason why the Mac gaming market has never taken off - most of their titles are just PC ports. Why is anyone going to take up with a new platform to play a game that has been available on PC/PS2 etc for months and is now proably discounted at retailers anyway? Come on guys, we need another Lemmings/Worms/Turrican to grab the attention of the cynics!

People wanting serious applications shouldn't be forgotten either. Hence Protracker, but wouldn't an update of Photogenics be great? If the platform is to grow then it needs to appeal broadly to geeks and gamers alike.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 48 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 21-May-2003 09:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (PMC):
>At least three times the past month I've nearly succumed to temptation and
>bought myself a gamers PC system as there's so many decent titles out
>there......
>What's holding me back? Well every time I read some bad news I think "right,
>order the PC this week", but then something always happens to make me change
>my mind. I am pretty fond of our beloved platform really, and am sort of
>waiting to see what happens next before I either do/don't take the PC
>plunge....
>That and I cannot stand using Windows LOL!

Order that PC, you won't be disappointed. Alot has changed since the DOS days.
Don't expect any big game titles on OS4 or MorphOS. Getting a PC doesn't mean you *have* to use Windows. You can use it just for gaming.

And when OS4 finally gets a release, you can still get it.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 49 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 21-May-2003 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Bernd Meyer):
>But I can't seem to find those reports.

It was a comment from Ben Hermans here on ann.lu. However in another interview
(2months ago or so) he said that the guy that was doing the integration had to
stop work on it for a few months.
Ben Hermans Interview on Amiga.org : Comment 50 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 21-May-2003 09:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (David Scheibler):
In Reply to Comment 29:
>But I can't seem to find those reports.
>It was a comment from Ben Hermans here on ann.lu. However in another >interview
>(2months ago or so) he said that the guy that was doing the integration had >to stop work on it for a few months.

Didn't those guy only did the 68K emulator integration into the system ?
Bernd talks about also about integratino of systemmodules.
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