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[Web] AmiZilla FAQ now OnlineANN.lu
Posted on 22-May-2003 19:30 GMT by Bill Panagouleas (Edited on 2003-05-23 02:36:55 GMT by Christophe Decanini)18 comments
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AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 1 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Darren on 22-May-2003 18:43 GMT
Is the money Amiga Users donate refundable if the port doesn't go forward?
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 2 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Panagouleas on 22-May-2003 18:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Darren):
Yes it is
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 3 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 22-May-2003 20:12 GMT
> A: Many Amiga owners have not upgraded to 3.9 so maybe AmiZilla could
> stimulate sales of OS 3.9 to help Amiga Inc.

Sadly, last I heard, Amiga Inc was commenting they've never recieved a dime from H&P for sales of AmigaOS3.9
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 4 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Panagouleas on 22-May-2003 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (T_Bone):
Last night my bandwith with my Web Hosting Company ywent to 0! So I had to upgrade my account to a larger hosting plan. People want the AmiZilla bad. I am going to regret saying this but could someone please submit the news about AmiZilla to www.slashdot.org? There are a lot of ex- Amiga owners that hang out on there and I would like them to know about the effort. Thanx

My poor bandwith
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 5 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 22-May-2003 23:45 GMT
learn to use http:// in your links...
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 6 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Panagouleas on 23-May-2003 00:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Hagge):
Ok
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 7 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by GStyle on 23-May-2003 04:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Hagge):
That's a little harsh...
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 8 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Dunham on 23-May-2003 05:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Bill Panagouleas):
Re: Submitting the AmiZilla info to Slashdot... I did so the day the information became public. My submission was rejected. :(
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 9 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Cluke on 23-May-2003 06:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (GStyle):
Nice pages. But seeing as we're nit-picking, the correct spelling of 'bootie' (as in treasure) is 'booty'. ;-)

Great work on setting this effort up, BTW!
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 10 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by kalmar on 23-May-2003 07:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Cluke):
> Nice pages. But seeing as we're nit-picking, the correct spelling of 'bootie'
> (as in treasure) is 'booty'. ;-)

Or perhaps he meant 'a bounty' :)

> Great work on setting this effort up, BTW!

Second that.
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 11 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Andy on 23-May-2003 07:57 GMT
Guys! The Mozilla 1.4 takes about 60Mb RAM on win2k in typical situation also it's quite slow on machines like K5-90Mhz. So it would be almost impossible to make it usable on average Amiga1200.

I've got a question to those who runs LinuxAPUS/m68k though; Is there possibility to run mozzila? What speed should we expect?
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 12 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-May-2003 08:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Andy):
"Guys! The Mozilla 1.4 takes about 60Mb RAM on win2k in typical situation also it's quite slow on machines like K5-90Mhz. So it would be almost impossible to make it usable on average Amiga1200."

No problem on Amithlon, though.
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 13 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 23-May-2003 08:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Andy):
not run mozilla on APUS though, but on 270MHz UltraSPARC IIi and 75MHz SuperSPARC II. It's usable on the 270, albeit slow.. it takes a 30-50 secs just to load up mozilla.. once it's loaded though, it's ok to work with. Flipping through the tabs takes a second or so, but it works.

The 75MHz is another matter.. it takes a long time to load.. I mean.. running this on a real Motorola 680x0 would be painstakingly slow. UAE and perhaps Coldfire would be the only options for the 68k version, if there will be one(since amithlon has been dropped, I mean). I'm personally hoping for a PPC native version first, and then maybe a 68k version later if it is doable/doesn't take too much time and effort to get it going.
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 14 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 23-May-2003 08:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (reflect):
forgot, the first machine was a Sun Ultra5 with 512MB ram, the second was a Sun Sparcstation 20 with 448MB ram.
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 15 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by chillout on 23-May-2003 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Andy):
Try Firebird it starts in 2-5 seconds and is very fast!
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 16 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 23-May-2003 11:40 GMT
I think it a 68k version will also run fine (eventually) on OS 4 and MorphOS
as they emulate a 68k fairly well too...

I say eventually, cause I find the idea of write-once, run anywhere is no more
true on all these 68k emulators than it was with the JVM.

Programs that work in one environment (and do not use *any* custom chips)
may still crash in another environment, due to slight differences between
a real CPU and an emulated one..and the various differences in the emulated CPU's...(probably they are all based on UAE, but while that is a very very impressive emulator, it is also not perfect)

also, oddly, if you are developing in UAE, you have to be careful, cause sometimes something works fine in UAE, only to discover it will crash on a real amiga, LOL...
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 17 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 23-May-2003 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Andy):
Mozilla works fine with LinuxAPUS - this is on a 240MHz 603e with 96Mb of RAM

I expect that a true AmigaOS port would be okay on a 68k system so long as it was a top end 030 or above with 64Mb of RAM

alan
AmiZilla FAQ now Online : Comment 18 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 23-May-2003 14:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (alan buxey):
Aranym, UAE, and Basilisk all now have MMU support in various experimental
versions, and lucky for us, non-amigans also are working on adding this
support.

of course, our 'powers that be' decided MMU support wasn't important.
I bet they'd think it was important if mozilla ran on a real amiga,
and some versions of WinUAE, but not on OS 4...and no version was available
for OS 4.

but since others are doing the MMU, soon we can run linux/m68k in an emulated environment, and test the speed of mozilla linux/m68k under emulation, as well
as on a real amiga.

This is what I'm investigating now, though I won't have immediate results.

The reason I am testing this, is because the 'real port' that I want to work
on, will involve having a virtual machine running a a monolithic exec task ...it
will still be a real port, cause it will run at native speeds on a real amiga (i.e. it will use the actual 68k proc on a real amiga)...and it will
use reaction as the front end.

in other words, it will be a system friendly program, running mozilla on a
workbench using reaction.

thats the theory.

I don't care when I finish it, and I won't try to win the contest.
still, I hope that I will finish it, and do so before anyone else...just
for the thrill, but only time will tell.

anyway...if anyone doesn't think this method is a real port, they can bite me.
hehehe :-)
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