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[News] Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlordANN.lu
Posted on 24-May-2003 10:41 GMT by ed216 comments
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In his latest Amiga World Q&A, Fleecy Moss of Amiga Inc. confirms that Amiga Inc. office auction was initiated (apparently via court process) and is run by their old landlord: "We have been trying to resolve it but the landlord, within his rights under the lease agreement has opted for this course of action." Only furniture and some hardware is sold, not personal items or IP.

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Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 1 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-May-2003 08:47 GMT
My god! Are you suggesting this auction wasn't arranged by Amiga Inc willingly!?
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 2 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 24-May-2003 09:06 GMT
"There are no financial problems at Amiga Inc whatsoever, there is no proof of anything, all this is only lies and FUD from BBRV, Mr Peck is only grumpy because he got sacked, the phones lines was hacked, Garry Hares CEO business card is fake, all the court documents are fake, everything is on schedule and rockin'".

Yeah, right ...
:-/
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 3 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 24-May-2003 09:17 GMT
How is this news? People has been saying this is what happened for about a century now.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 4 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 24-May-2003 09:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (hooligan/dcs):
Yes I know, but all that time it has been rejected as "evil FUD from BBRV and those evil MorphOS supporters". But the truth catches up eventually. It allways does, and that is what happened here ...
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 5 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by LinusG on 24-May-2003 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (takemehomegrandma):
Don´t you ever get tired of this?
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 6 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by William F. Maddock on 24-May-2003 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (takemehomegrandma):
But wait a minute. If "Fleecy always lies", doesn't that mean that this <b>isn't</b> being done by the Landlord? Or does it only mean that some people have a bad habit of over stating things for their own purposes?
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 7 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 24-May-2003 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (hooligan/dcs):
Heh.
Doesn't matter, it's not news or true until it comes from the only reliable source for info on anything Amiga-related: amiga.com. Please moderate this to Forum or Rant. ;)

What I don't get is why Fleecy invents new rumours and blame some sort of conspiracy. For example he says that, contrary to "the rumours being spread", no valuable IP or data is being auctioned off. Personally, I was not aware of any such rumours until I read Fleecy's Answer just now.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 8 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 24-May-2003 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Seehund):
@Seehund

> Doesn't matter, it's not news or true until it comes from the only reliable
> source for info on anything Amiga-related: amiga.com. Please moderate this
> to Forum or Rant. ;)

I agree, and I really mean that. Fleecy's answers have always been "Fleecy's answers", not OFFICIAL AMIGA INC STATEMENTS. They should be elevated above the status they deserve. (Fleecy is not alone in doing this. Other Amiga Inc employees have also been giving the world the benefit of their unofficial and unquotable wisdom elsewhere.)

> What I don't get is why Fleecy invents new rumours and blame some sort of
> conspiracy. For example he says that, contrary to "the rumours being spread",
> no valuable IP or data is being auctioned off. Personally, I was not aware
> of any such rumours until I read Fleecy's Answer just now.

That's because there were no such rumours, although some people naively asked the question. I'm not an expert on US law, but I would have thought it was obvious that only physical property belonging to the company could be seized and resold in this manner, and that no confidential information, intellectual property or private property belonging to the company employees would be included. It stands to reason.

So, was Fleecy actually being truthful this time? My guess is yes, if only because it was inevitable that the truth would be discovered. Shame on the Amiga Inc employee who was insistent that it was THEM who were selling off some of their unused equipment. (You know who you are)
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 9 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 24-May-2003 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (LinusG):
> Don´t you ever get tired of this?

Since last summer or so, these issues has been debated. Proof of various weight has been put forward, especially during the last few weeks/months, but during the whole time every single sign of AInc having financial problems has been rejected as FUD (often accompanied with grave insults). *That* has been tireing.

But now, when the truth finally comes into light, you ask *me* "if I ever get tired of this", as if this AIncs situation would be my fault in any way! I ask you this: Were were you during the last months, why didn't you ask this question to all the people that simply ignored the proof and blatantly insulted those who tried to get the truth about Amiga Inc into the light long time ago?

(BTW, it's interesting to see how the same people today rejects all thoughts about the Articia chipset having problems, despite the proof, and they are using the same arguments; "lies, FUD, the symptoms *simply must* have other explanations, this is just BBRV and the evil MOS followers with their evil agenda, etc".)
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 10 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by LinusG on 24-May-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (takemehomegrandma):
The online amiga community is so pathetic that most of the time I don´t see the point in being a part of it. I just wanted to know why you never give it a rest.

This is not something personal against you. You just happened to be the one here right now.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 11 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by LinusG on 24-May-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (takemehomegrandma):
The online amiga community is so pathetic that most of the time I don´t see the point in being a part of it. I just wanted to know why you never give it a rest.

This is not something personal against you. You just happened to be the one here right now.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 12 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 24-May-2003 10:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (LinusG):
That's the nature of the beast. If this wasn't an Amiga(I use the term loosely) dedicated forum there might be 1 of 2 situations due to the lack of events:

1) We'd be discussing football, lunix, [insert your preferred passtime]

2) There would be no one here.

The fact that there are people still here discussing something/anything could be seen as a good thing in a way.

>The online amiga community is so pathetic that most of the time I don´t see the point in being a part of it. I just wanted to know why you never give it a rest.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 13 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-May-2003 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (LinusG):
Great, we're all glad that you let us know this. Now, could you please move along?
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 14 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by LinusG on 24-May-2003 10:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
I just wish that there could be a few constructive discussions here. There has been very few of those in tha last few years.

Sometimes I get so disappointed in what once was a great community. Nowadays the most constructive thing that gets said here is when somebody asks people not to spread FUD.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 15 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 24-May-2003 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (LinusG):
Linux : don't focus on the childish quarrels. The people who don't take part into that actually do useful things :) Most importantly: nobody should take part into it.

Anyway, there won't be flamewars anymore when both products are released I hope.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 16 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 24-May-2003 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (takemehomegrandma):
One step at a time, Sherlock. One thing does not "automagicly" proove another. The only thing this has confirmed is that they have problems with their former landlord, nothing else. This was nothing new, most of us have seen the court documents. However, neither you or I know what their problems is actually *about* (the money issue could just as well be a side effect of something entirely different) and therefore you should restrain yourself from jumping into conclusions. For example, this does NOT proove that the Articia is malfunctioning the way BBRV claims.

No, that is NOT defending anyone, that is perfectly objective reasoning. I am NOT trying to convince you of yet another assumption but asking you to please stop the entire assuming process to begin with. I'm repeating myself; that is NOT defending anything or anyone.

(Why do I keep thinking that some moroon will despite all this call me an Amiga Inc. defender anyway? Is there really that ignorant people in the Amiga community?)
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 17 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 24-May-2003 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (mahen):
@Mahen
Quite the opposite, then the REAL wars begin when people are arguing whose OS is best in this and in that :-)
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 18 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 24-May-2003 11:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (hooligan/dcs):
Geez, I don't want to be here when the real war begins !!!
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 19 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 24-May-2003 12:29 GMT
Interesting point from the interview:

Quoting Fleecy:
---------------
This amounts to some three year old wall dividers,
desks, chairs, lamps, one or two old printers, some filing cabinets etc.
People who think there will be reams of records, prototypes,
CDs full of source code and other such goodies will be sorely disappointed.
There is still some personal and private stuff in there
as well and that has to be returned to the owners;
for example I have a car full worth of CDs, clothes and kids toys.
----------------
End Quoting

Did you see the point?

Re-quoting:
-----------
I have a car full worth of CDs, clothes and kids toys.
-----------
End Re-quoting

THAT'S IT... A CAR FULL OF CLOTHES...

THERE ARE THE SO LONG AWAITED AMIGA T-SHIRTS

;-)))))))))))))))))))))))

And the landlord couldn't auction them because he believed that there are ***ALL T-SHIRTS*** private property of Fleecy...

;-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 20 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 24-May-2003 12:41 GMT
Well.

Who will now affirm seriously that everything's fine at Amiga Inc., that they're perfectly healthy financially speaking and that the future of the company isn't in jeopardy when their landlord must do such an auction to get his money back ?
I'm running a company and if this story happened to me I'd be in bad troubles.

No smoke without fire.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 21 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 24-May-2003 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (takemehomegrandma):
To all you guys who where concerned if Amiga still used their office building or had problems with their landlord.

Why didn't you email Fleecy and asked?

I asked him months ago and got the same answer as he wrote in the AW answer.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 22 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by logain on 24-May-2003 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Troels Ersking):
loel


Why didnt you mail BBRV and ask, why Articia-based MBs wont work
correctly without an April-fix?
I asked him month ago and got the same answer as he wrote in the
ann.lu/moobunny answers...
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 23 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 24-May-2003 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (samface):
> (Why do I keep thinking that some moroon will despite all this call me an
> Amiga Inc. defender anyway? Is there really that ignorant people in the Amiga
> community?)

Because you ARE a Faithful Follower Of The Name Cult and always have been. You've attempted to spin in the most positive light anything to do with Amiga Inc, EyeTech, and Hyperion.

Dammy
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 24 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 24-May-2003 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (dammy):
>>Because you ARE a Faithful Follower Of The Name Cult and always have been. You've attempted to spin in the most positive light anything to do with Amiga Inc, EyeTech, and Hyperion.

and you're so blind in following YOUR cult that you don't realise that you attempt to put a negative spin on anything to do with Amiga Inc, Eyetech and Hyperion.

I'm so glad that as someone who wishes to run OS4 on an AmigaOne that I have an army of FUD spreading thugs trying to look after my interests and convince me to spend MY money on something else instead. Cheers guys, keep up the good work!
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 25 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 24-May-2003 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Darrin):
> I'm so glad that as someone who wishes to run OS4 on an AmigaOne that I have an army of FUD spreading thugs trying to look after my interests and convince me to spend MY money on something else instead. Cheers guys, keep up the good work!

Luckily its only a few people .. though very loud and annoying.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 26 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 24-May-2003 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Darrin):
>In Reply to Comment 23:
>>>Because you ARE a Faithful Follower Of The Name Cult and always have been.
>> You've attempted to spin in the most positive light anything to do with Amiga >> Inc, EyeTech, and Hyperion.



> and you're so blind in following YOUR cult

What cult is that btw? Oh, the Cult of Truth Even If It Hurts To State It? Damn it! That was suppost to be a secret!

> that you don't realise that you attempt to put a negative spin on anything to > do with Amiga Inc,

Completely false, as usual. I've gave thumbs up to Amiga Inc when they license portions of AOS for Berniethlon. That was the absolutely correct thing to do and I whole hearted agreed with them. Then when they wimped out and let Bernie sink in a pit of Franks doodoo, is when I said Amiga Inc were the typical group of losers.

> Eyetech and Hyperion.

No, I've consistantly said that the community needs to have straight A1 vs Peg1 and OS4 vs MOS testing and let the best OS and hardware win. Is that bashing Eyetech or Hyperion? Where have I said OS4 is a pile of doodoo? I have my opinions on MAI chipsets but that can not be validated until Downix gets Cerberus binaries to two A1 users for comparison testing of two different platforms. Yes, I've said Ben is a FUDster (which he is), no I do not automatically believe anything, anymore, coming from Eyetech until I see hard proof. The crap about no bugs in MAI chipset and then having to admit there was is clear proof that what they say can not be taken for absolute truth.


> I'm so glad that as someone who wishes to run OS4 on an AmigaOne that I have
> an army of FUD spreading thugs trying to look after my interests and convince > me to spend MY money on something else instead. Cheers guys, keep up the good > work!

You evidently confuse me with someone who gives a rat's ass about you or how you spend your money. I am sick and tired of the cheerleaders (Hi Samface!) stating everything is fine with AI/Hyperion/Eyetech when it's clearly isn't. I am sick and tired of people blowing sunshine up my ass about their vapor products and "two more weeks and you'll see" crap after waiting for what, three years now?

Where and how you spend your money is of no concern to me. I simply don't give a rat's ass. Listening to Samface trying to scrape up an ounce of respect after spending it defending his beloved heros, is quiet another thing entirely.

Dammy
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 27 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 24-May-2003 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Darrin):
Yes, it's such a positive thing, to be locked out of your offices for non-payment, and have your furniture auctioned off by the land lord, how dare dammy put a negative spin on such a thing.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 28 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Gadd on 24-May-2003 15:51 GMT
Amiga Inc are totally ruining the Amiga platform and people just dont see it, if any other company (non Amiga related) would have done a fraction of what Amiga Inc has done they would have been wiped out but no as long as the name "AMIGA" is around certain people ignores the truth and covers up anything and everything then comes back defending Amiga Inc to the death.

Amiga Inc must have done great things for the Amiga to have such a loyal fan base.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 29 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by José on 24-May-2003 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ben Yoris):
Not disagreing with you. Area you Ben Yoris from Hyperion?
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 30 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 24-May-2003 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (José):
That would be:
"Ben Yoris, formely of Hyperion"
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 31 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-May-2003 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (takemehomegrandma):
The best place to hide a lie is in a truth.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 32 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by - on 24-May-2003 19:14 GMT
http://forumpics.phreakers.net/stfu3.jpg
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 33 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 24-May-2003 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Seehund):
Both myself and Fleecy have seen people asking (on amiga.org for one) if any Amiga IP would be left on the hard disks of possibly auctioned systems. This is what Fleecy was addressing.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 34 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 24-May-2003 19:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Paul Gadd):
What Amiga have done, Paul? Please list the terrible things and please number them.. Go ahead, I have got to see this.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 35 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 24-May-2003 20:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (José):
I am Ben Yoris, and I used to be helping Hyperion some time ago.
Now I stopped helping them for business reason that has nothing to do with the Amiga (I created my own company).

I'm not at all against Hyperion or the people at Hyperion should I add.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 36 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 24-May-2003 20:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Ray A. Akey):
> What Amiga have done, Paul? Please list the terrible things and please
> number them.. Go ahead, I have got to see this.

I think Paul would struggle to list any of the things Amiga Inc have done, good or bad. In fact, I think *anyone* would stuggle to make a list of the things Amiga Inc have done, besides trying to take credit for work done by others.

What exactly have Amiga Inc _done_ in the last three years, Ray? Please give us a list, as I really haven't seen any evidence of any productivity at all. Talk? Bluster? Certainly. Product? Sweet F.A.!
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 37 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 24-May-2003 20:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Bill Hoggett):
I thought you'd used/developed for AmigaDE Bill?

Ian
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 38 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-May-2003 21:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ian Shurmer):
Ian, AmigaDE is merely TAO's software badged up by AInc.

It sure as hell is NOT an Amiga Inc developed product (witness the many changes in direction when AInc found out that TAO did not want to go down cetain directions, for example).
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 39 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 24-May-2003 22:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (samface):
"However, neither you or I know what their problems is actually *about* (the money issue could just as well be a side effect of something entirely different) and therefore you should restrain yourself from jumping into conclusions."

Sure, following your reasoning we may restrain ourselves, not jumping into conclusions as long as:

- we have no exact knowledge about the size fo Fleecy's shoes
- we have no clue about the amount of cheese consumed by Amiga Inc employees a day
- not to mention the length of Fleecy's car, in feet

Sorry, but what about an "all right, you were right"? Is it that hard?
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 40 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 24-May-2003 22:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
That is crap and I suggest you talk to a few of the AmigaDE developers (like Jonas) before talking such uninformed nonsense!

Ian
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 41 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 24-May-2003 22:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Ian Shurmer):
Sorry Ian but no need to talk to every DE developer to figure out that :

- DE is an entire failure

- it brings nothing to the Amiga, the Amiga we've known, loved and supported for so many years

Amiga Inc. had more than 3 years to do something. Today there's nothing they've done concretely for the Amiga followers.

Only a few companies such as Genesi, Hyperion, bPlan, Eyetech etc... did something. Without these companies, the Amiga would be dead by now. Without Amiga Inc. this wouldn't have changed anything, would it ?
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 42 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 24-May-2003 22:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Ray A. Akey):
> Both myself and Fleecy have seen people asking (on amiga.org for one) if any
> Amiga IP would be left on the hard disks of possibly auctioned systems. This is
> what Fleecy was addressing.

One thing is _asking_, another thing is spreading rumor. A rumor would have been "hey, I heard that they're auctioning HDDs with secret stuff on them". Instead, "Are HDDs with secret stuff on them being auctioned?" is a question, not a rumor.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 43 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 24-May-2003 22:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Ian Shurmer):
> That is crap and I suggest you talk to a few of the AmigaDE developers (like
> Jonas) before talking such uninformed nonsense!

I have the SDK 1.1 right here beside me. Besides a nice repackaging and some minor bug fixing, _that_ version of the SDK is the plain Intent. I know that people who signed an NDA have had access to some more stuff, some new APIs, but I also know that's been more than one year that nothing has been done on that front.

Still, nothing beside the SDK 1.1 has been made publicly available.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 44 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Messiah on 24-May-2003 23:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Fabio Alemagna):
I do wish you would refrain from commenting on issues you obviously dont know a thing about:
On January 26, 2003 we relased Ami2d 1.2, after that date others have released other API´s for DE and we that work on Ami2d and asociated API´s have continued development and will do so for quite a while.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 45 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-May-2003 23:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Messiah):
"On January 26, 2003 we relased Ami2d 1.2"

Giving a copy of some software to a few people under NDA is not a "release".
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 46 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 24-May-2003 23:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Messiah):
> I do wish you would refrain from commenting on issues you obviously dont know a
> thing about:

I do wish you'd refrain from commenting on things you don't even care to read properly.

> On January 26, 2003 we relased Ami2d 1.2, after that date others have released
> other API´s for DE and we that work on Ami2d and asociated API´s have continued
> development and will do so for quite a while

Is that _publicly_ available? Where "publicly" obviously means "to people who _haven't_ signed an NDA".

In any case, I'm afraid that Ami2D alone doesn't make AmigaDE and the "Amiverse".

In my own humble opinion, AmigaDE is the biggest flop in the IT world since years.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 47 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 24-May-2003 23:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Messiah):
Development is one thing.

Releasing products that actually sell and bring money back thanks to a careful business plan is another. Those kinds of releases that avoid an auction against you because you didn't pay your bills, y'know ?
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 48 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 24-May-2003 23:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Fabio Alemagna):
> > I do wish you would refrain from commenting on issues you obviously dont know
> > a thing about:
>
> I do wish you'd refrain from commenting on things you don't even care to read
> properly.

Reading my comment again, I understand that you might have referred to my statement "that's been more than one year that nothing has been done on that front.". I must admit that I didn't know about the January's release of Ami2D, however when I made my statement I didn't even have Ami2D in mind, I was thinking about the "important" stuff, things related to the "Amiverse".
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 49 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Messiah on 25-May-2003 00:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Fabio Alemagna):
Ok I replied to this part of your message:

"I know that people who signed an NDA have had access to some more stuff, some new APIs, but I also know that's been more than one year that nothing has been done on that front."

Now unless you are on a realy weird calender you are still in 2003 and as I said that on January 26, 2003 we released the 6th update to Ami2d(version 1.2) that makes the above statment quoted from you false.

"In any case, I'm afraid that Ami2D alone doesn't make AmigaDE and the "Amiverse"."

Who said Ami2d is the only API being developed by Amiga Inc. in fact how could you come to that conclusion if you dont know what has been developed "for more than a year". Secondly as you havent seen Ami2d(or any associated API developed by Amiga Inc.) how do you know what it is or isnt, for all you know it could be the cure for cancer :)

"In my own humble opinion, AmigaDE is the biggest flop in the IT world since years."

That is fine, I simply pointed out you where wrong nothing more nothing less.
Fleecy confirms Amiga Inc. office auction by landlord : Comment 50 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Messiah on 25-May-2003 00:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Fabio Alemagna):
"Reading my comment again, I understand that you might have referred to my statement "that's been more than one year that nothing has been done on that front.". I must admit that I didn't know about the January's release of Ami2D, however when I made my statement I didn't even have Ami2D in mind, I was thinking about the "important" stuff, things related to the "Amiverse"."

Yepp that was the part I was refering to :)

What is the "inportant" stuff you are refering to that havent been developed for "more than one year" then?

Also as Ami2D(and associated API´s) is used quite extensivly by most games on the Microsoft GamePak #1 and #2(and .......) I would think that would be a quite inportant part of "Amiverse".
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