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[News] Hyperion OS4 BPPC SurveyANN.lu
Posted on 02-Jun-2003 22:04 GMT by Mikey_C151 comments
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As Amiga OS4 for AmigaOne and CSPPC based machines nears completion, Hyperion is undertaking a survey to gauage demand for the BPPC version

Therefore if you are an Amiga1200 owner with a Dual Blizzard PPC card and would like to see OS4 ported to this machine, please send an email to: timdg@hyperion-entertainment.com Please note: Ensuring that OS4 will work on the BPPC is a momumental task which will require enormous effort in both Time and Money. Therefore only email us if you have every intention of purchasing OS4 for BPPC.

Your support is very much appreciated in this matter.

Ben Hermans.
Hyperion-Entertainment

Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 1 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Mayonaise on 02-Jun-2003 20:29 GMT
Does anyone know what sort of number pontential users we are going to need to get a BPPC version? and when we could expect it to be released in relation to the CSPPC and AmigaOne versions?
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Posted by JoannaK on 02-Jun-2003 20:35 GMT
Well.. somehow I would trust this more if posted by Hermans himself or seing this at Amiga.org. Anyhow:

To me it does no longer matter.. By now I'm really happy I decided not to purchase that BPPC+bvision combo year ago as I was thinking to for getting ready to OS4.

For future reference, what else you are planing NOT to support?
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 3 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 02-Jun-2003 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (JoannaK):
"For future reference, what else you are planing NOT to support?"

What do you mean by that?

Anyway, would probably be easier to tell you whats supported instead of ruling out something that might get support someday later on.

Did Hyperion ever promise to deliver a version for the BlizPPC cards, AFAIK they have always just said that maybe there would be a version.

Regards
Troels
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 02-Jun-2003 20:56 GMT
What's a "Dual Blizzard PPC"?
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Posted by Anonymous on 02-Jun-2003 21:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (JoannaK):
I'm sure they won't be supporting people like YOU!

;-)
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 02-Jun-2003 21:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
What it sounds like is something that, if it existed, would be the coolest thing since sliced bread :)

Since it actually just means a card with 68k and PPC (dual processor), its not so cool ;)
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 7 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 02-Jun-2003 21:19 GMT
Well, I guess, porting AOS4 to BPPC should be relatively easy task.

BUT the hard part would be to make sure, it works with all upgrades (read "hacks") people have in their A1200's...

There's no mention, what kind of A1200 systems would be supported: Z2? Various PCI solutions? Bare AGA?
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Posted by Leif on 02-Jun-2003 21:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Peter Gordon):
Yeah, sliced bread really rocks!
It takes away the monumental task of sliceing it by hand,
(or pherhaps by knife, depending on personal preference)
and therefore making my life so much easier.

Halleluja.
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 9 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 02-Jun-2003 21:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
Apparently to you it's no matter what systems are supported? IMHO it's one of Key elements on OS4 making. If Hyperion can't afford supporting allready existing BlizardPPC's, somehow I think that other rumoured systems (like SharkPPC) will be out of question alltogether? I know people who have been holding on dreams of having new OS to their system, purchasing expensive busboards and other parts while waiting, and waiting.. Now after years of Hype and promices it's not happening?
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 10 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by rafo on 02-Jun-2003 21:24 GMT
<SARCASM>
Shouldn't they sped their time and money working on getting OS4 ready
ASAP for the A1 which it always was claimed to be designed for ?
Remember, NG stuff and so on.

What's next ? a A500 compatible version of AOS4 ? Then the Vic-20 ?
</SARCASM>
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Posted by Anonymous on 02-Jun-2003 21:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (JoannaK):
JoannaK - for one you do NOT know it isn't going to happen. For two - the plan was always to get the CyberstormPPC version working and THEN do other versions; how about we wait and see what happens?

Besides, I don't see the Classic Amiga PPC version of MorphOS 1.x anywhere and how long has that been released for...
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Posted by Mikey_C on 02-Jun-2003 21:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (JoannaK):
Joanna K You are clearly missing the point!

This thread is of interest to people with BPPC machines, you yourself have already admitted to not owning one! Why the heck are you trolling here? It has nothing to do with you!

For everyone else's information, Ben Hermans has too much to do atm so I volunteered to post the announcements to various news sites and Mailing lists on his behalf.

For those of you who are not quite up to date with what Hyperion have said, they have stated in the past that they could do a relatively straight port to A1200 BPPC machines. The problem is the wide and vast range of peripherals/add-ons for the A1200 that make writting such a port a major headcahe

Thus why they are conducting the survey, they are aware of the amount of work incorperating all those gadgets, before they start they want to make sure it's worth it.

Understandable don't you think?

Mikey C
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 02-Jun-2003 21:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
Well, I have one, but don't get OT.
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 14 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 02-Jun-2003 23:55 GMT
It was stated several weeks ago that a commercial MorphOS version for PPC-accelerated Amigas was in the works, so it will be interesting to see what is released first. The first offering will bag some developers and mess up sales for the other team.

I personally think Hyperion is making a good choice to get this product out the door (because it seems doable and it's a nice option for people) but the real accomplishment is making the OS that runs Amiga software on new machines, not the old stuff.

I will be interested in hearing about this one though!
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Posted by bhickman on 03-Jun-2003 00:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Daniel Miller):
When you say commercial version do you mean that I have to pay for it? For quite some time in the early development of MorphOS [pre Ambient release] they had stated the final product would be released free of charge to BPPC and CSPPC owners. If I do have to purchase it rather than download it, any idea on the going rate?

- Bill
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 16 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Loki on 03-Jun-2003 00:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (rafo):
Rafo wrote.... What's next ? a A500 compatible version of AOS4 ? <br><br>

Actually, a Classic version of OS4 would be much easier than any of the the other contenders. Since all of the modules were developed and fully tested on a classic Amigas. Only the PPC kernal would have to be changed.<br><br>

We could be running AOS4 on Stock A1200's, A4000's and UAE/BernieOS(umilator)!<br><br>

Loki
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2003 01:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (JoannaK):
I WANT OS4 ON MY SPECCY! ;P
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Posted by DaveP on 03-Jun-2003 01:34 GMT
I don't know why MOS has to be brought into this discussion but I for one am glad they are offering the chance to the userbase to decide in this.

Oh wait, Ive just checked the usernames, I now know why MOS has to be brought into this.
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2003 02:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (JoannaK):
Shut up old lady, you never have anything nice to say
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2003 02:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (JoannaK):
What you don't understand is that if Hyperion can start focusing on other systems it means OS4 is almost finished.
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2003 02:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Loki):
Totally OT:

Yes, release OS4 as m68k. That means ALL
camps are happy :)
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 22 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2003 02:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (JoannaK):
>somehow I think that other rumoured systems

There you go, you said it yourseld: "RUMORED" now, if you're so smart to believe in rumors rather than what the actual company says it's your problem and yours only
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 23 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 03-Jun-2003 02:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (DaveP):
Well, DaveP, since the ubiquitous Mr. Anonymous first raised the MorphOS question (and in a decidedly negative tone), I'm wondering just what this user name means to you?

Anyway, now that we're here, do you think the best way to minimise the influence of "irrelevant" issues in such threads is to :

- complain about them.

or

- ignore them.

?

Regards,

Gregg
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 24 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 03-Jun-2003 03:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Gregg):
Well, Gregg

I don't know, should I ignore you or reply ? ;-) What do you think would be most effective?
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 25 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by oRBIT on 03-Jun-2003 03:19 GMT
Is this some kind of joke? AOS4.0 doesn't work on BlizzardPPC?? What?! It's gotta be more users around having a A1200 with BlizzardPPC than Amiga's with CyberstormPPC or?
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Posted by DaveP on 03-Jun-2003 03:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (oRBIT):
IIRC the decision to go with Cyberstorm was because of the dearth of vital technical information in the public domain for the Blizzard boards.

But yes, I agree with you.
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 27 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by AmosHaxor on 03-Jun-2003 04:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (DaveP):
> Oh wait, Ive just checked the usernames, I now know why MOS has to be brought into this.

Oh wait, I've just checked your username and thought you were DaveW.
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 28 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 03-Jun-2003 04:15 GMT
This is very good.. I could have a dualboot between MOS and OS4 on mi'old Amiga :)
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Posted by DaveP on 03-Jun-2003 04:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (AmosHaxor):
OMG! Oh no!!! Help me please! Exposed!

LOL!

You anonymouses are funny. :-) Wait couldn't that be Darth? I think he is into AMOS?
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 30 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 03-Jun-2003 04:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (hooligan/dcs):
Gotta agree. Blizzard is the only way Id try out MOS any time soon, and having another version of AOS4 on the same box would be pucker.
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Posted by Jon on 03-Jun-2003 05:03 GMT
I hope there will be enough names on the list - I have been waiting this for too long. Finally some use for my BPPC.
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Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 03-Jun-2003 05:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Loki):
What's the point in releasing stuff for dead 68k CPUs? Wasn't OS4 supposed to be a PPC OS?
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Posted by Olegil on 03-Jun-2003 05:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Loki):
Well, stock A1200's, yes. But the problem would be the same as for the BPPC. A lot of weird setups with need for drivers.
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 34 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Jun-2003 05:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (JoannaK):
Joana, stop it will ya? You don't even own a blizzPPC, you're just trolling (again?)

I own a blizzPPC, and i don't need AOS4 on it, i'm going for the whole new A1, that old machine has served me well for years, but i retired it already.

As for people who do want a BlizzPPC version (i mean actual owners of said cards, not some negative sounding troll), speak up.

Cheers
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 35 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Jun-2003 05:43 GMT
Well, i'll just say this, while i have no need for AOS4 on BlizzPPC, i'll support the poll, and if it is released i will buy it.

But for me, only the A1 matters

Cheers
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 36 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 03-Jun-2003 05:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Amon_Re):
I would like to have AmigaOS4 for both my new AmigaOne and my old A1200. I don't expect it, but I'm hoping they can make it possible. I have not expanded the A1200 any further besides a BlizzardVision and SCSI CDRW + HD. I will most definitly jump the next generation Amiga bandwagon, but that does not neccessarily mean I want to throw away my classic Amiga. It's just too much fun to play around with. =)

Yes, I'm willing to pay extra for that BlizzPPC version. If Hyperion would decide to do this for the BlizzPPC owners, of course they should have something for doing so. If not for profit, then atleast for paying their expenses.
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 37 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Lukas Stehlik on 03-Jun-2003 06:29 GMT
Peggy G3/G4 version welcome.
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 38 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 03-Jun-2003 06:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Lukas Stehlik):
Why? There already is an AmigaOS clone that is supposed to be better than the original bundled with that hardware. Is there something about it that you're not happy with?
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 39 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Cluke on 03-Jun-2003 06:39 GMT
Monumental effort? Enormous amounts of money?
How come every past piece of PPC software (barring the infamous iFusion) has managed to run just fine on both CSPPC and BPPC?
I know people are saying there are a large variety of setups, but how is this different from the A4000? If the emulated drivers run, the hardware should run, surely.

However, I will defer to those in the know, there could well be stuff I am overlooking. I was intending to buy an AmigaOne anyway, my A1200 is getting a bit elderly.
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 40 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by AmosHaxor on 03-Jun-2003 06:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (samface):
"Why? There already is an AmigaOS clone that is supposed to be better than the original bundled with that hardware. Is there something about it that you're not happy with? "

Yes, I'm not happy that it won't run AmigaOS4. I wasn't happy with the AmigaOne so I sold it on AmiBench. Didn't trust the chipset. I guess I could settle for MorphOS if need be, but it'd be nice to have both. If it comes down to the choice between choosing between hardware and software though, hardware wins. I'm not buying a "New Amiga" after waiting 10 years just to not be able to trust the brand new thing.

In any case, I'll still be able to run it on my CSPPC 060/233.
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 41 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2003 06:59 GMT
i am a blizzppc owner, and YES i would like to see OS 4 running on it. i have already emailed hyperion on the matter.

my only question is what the required spec would be. for example, are they going to support AGA chipset or do i have to invest in a BVision. Also it would be nice to know which, if any, pci solutions are 100% certain to be supported - so those who want it know exactly what they need before they can part with the money.
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 42 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 03-Jun-2003 07:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Cluke):
But please, you cannot compare an OS with applications. Furthermore, iFusion did not work on the BlizzardPPC because it was running ontop of Haage&Partner's WarpUP kernel which had problems with the BlizzardPPC. It was something about missing technical documentation about something with those accelerator boards. The problem never got solved, the problem still remains as of today.

It's exacly these kind of issues Hyperion will have to work with and I understand them for wondering wether it's worth the effort or not.
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Posted by AmosHaxor on 03-Jun-2003 07:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
"Also it would be nice to know which, if any, pci solutions are 100% certain to be supported "

Good idea, forgot about that :) I hope the mediator(s) is/are supported.
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 44 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 03-Jun-2003 07:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (AmosHaxor):
Poor FUD victim...

I guess that makes BBRV happy. They have achieved their goal now. Congratz.

:-(
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 45 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by AmosHaxor on 03-Jun-2003 07:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (samface):
"I guess that makes BBRV happy. They have achieved their goal now. Congratz."

Had nothing to do with that man, I don't trust anyone over 30. including him. I checked it out myself, I did my research and talked to a former contractor for another company that used the ArticiaS.

I won't get into it here, this isn't the place or the time, but I'll just say I have my reasons and I've researched it and leave it at that.

Anyways, I look forward to running AmigaOS4 on the CSPPC, and the "other OS on the other thing" Best of both worlds. AmigaOS4 will be alot more compatible on the CSPPC than it would be on the A1 anyway.
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 46 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 03-Jun-2003 07:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (AmosHaxor):
>I won't get into it here, this isn't the place or the time

I'm really starting to get annoyed by this "I really don't want to discuss it, I just want to repeat these old claims and accusations once more" attitude among people on ANN.lu lately. My advice is either you take the discussion and back your claims with factual arguments and valid proof, or don't say anything about it at all. Everything else is just plain trolling and makes a truely annoying read.

Just IMNHO.
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 47 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 03-Jun-2003 07:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (AmosHaxor):
BTW, how old was that contractor? :-P
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 48 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by AmosHaxor on 03-Jun-2003 07:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (samface):
"I'm really starting to get annoyed by this "I really don't want to discuss... SNIP

TOUGH, I SAID this is *NOT* THE TIME OR THE PLACE for this flamewar, so bugger off. I have my reasons and I'l LEAVE IT AT THAT out of respect for this thread. GOT IT?

That said, I look forward to getting OS4.
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 49 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 03-Jun-2003 07:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (AmosHaxor):
Also, how could a *former* contractor possibly know anything about the latest ArticiaS chips that is supposed to be fixed? Eyetech would surely trade in your old AmigaOne board for a new one with the new fixed ArticiaS.

And then, just as a question, did you ever notice any problems? Did you contact Eyetech about it? You know, the normal proceedings when buyíng any kind of technical product from any manufacturer...
Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey : Comment 50 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 03-Jun-2003 07:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (AmosHaxor):
Hey, YOU claimed that the chipset couldn't be trusted, not me. If you make such claims/statements, EXPECT people to respond.
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