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Much faster G4 processors from Motorola imminent. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/30993.html
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 51 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2003 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Darrin):
>After all, whoever purchases the most G4's in quantity gets the best price (no?)>so if you are not just targeting your motherboard, but also a rivals then you'll>be able to order and sell more G4's? I am sure Eyetech could ask Hyperion to develop a protection code so only originalEyetech G4 cards would run. :o)
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 52 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2003 10:52 GMT
Both the message topic and the news about the new Pegasos production are good news.

People love to complain these days, don't they? Frankly the posts with < 10 replies, no arguments and not a single word typed in all caps are a little boring. ;*)
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 53 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2003 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (takemehomegrandma):
>But the April does not give you DDR ... Neither does G4...
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 54 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 03-Jun-2003 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Troels Ersking):
Hey Troels, it is Piru as in Harry, not guru...that was something else!

We are discussing the Pegasos and the future and present use of Motorola processors, not MOS or gurus. Please stay on topic (and please consult Mini_P/D Help Group).

@tmhg ...yes, but we were discussing the CPU...soon to be know as the CyberPegasosUnit!

:-D
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 55 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 03-Jun-2003 11:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
@Mr. Anonymous 51 -- do not worry we are infiltrating that "P"rotection code as we speak...;-)


OK, "P"eople, we won an extra game or two, but now it's...

GAME OVER!

Thank you for playing Peg-Party!

Adios Amig(o)s!

Have a great day!!!! :-D
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 56 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 03-Jun-2003 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (bbrv):
@bbrv

Have you considered seeing a psychiatrist at all?

Ian
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 57 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by MiniBobF on 03-Jun-2003 11:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (takemehomegrandma):
"The first Off Topic post in this thread (not counting the meaningless "pigs might fly") was yours!"

The issue I had with Bill's post was not the degree to which it was (or was not) off topic.

This thread (just like the AROS donation thread) had no commercial relevence to Pegasos untill Bill dragged the subject up. As pointed out by someone else, Bill Buck is a key figure in this market sector and to have him communicate closely is indeed a Good Thing. In what capacity do we require though? Non-existant (In the case of Bill McEwen & friends), to answer posed questions (like the Amiga.org questions sessions), to join in with constructive criticism (like here on ANN sometimes), or to blow ones companies trumpet (like Bill Buck in this and the AROS thread).

It's is not common practice for customer and business to be in contact so closely, and it creates a new set of problems. In my opinion, Bill has once again taken his advantage too far and has crossed the line of what is considered being a *part* of the community and *dominating* the community.

Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 58 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 03-Jun-2003 11:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (MiniBobF):
@neil

"P".S. "PU!"

Ok, Ian, you are right! Off to terrorise the "P"sychiatrist!
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 59 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by MiniBobF on 03-Jun-2003 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (bbrv):
@neil

"P".S. "PU!"

Ok, Ian, you are right! Off to terrorise the "P"sychiatrist!

Are you talking in a different language to the rest of us?

Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 60 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 03-Jun-2003 11:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (samface):
And I'd also LOVE to see you with a sore throat and blisters on the fingers, so
that you can't type or speak for a day or two...
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 61 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 03-Jun-2003 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (bbrv):
@ BBRV

Don't you ever tell me to stay on topic, you are clearly the wrong man to say so.

Since you seem to have so much time, a short note on your upcoming product(s) could have fitted nicely within as a news item. Your constant advertising in existing threads really pisses me off, and I know I am far from alone thinking that.
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 62 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 03-Jun-2003 11:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (MiniBobF):
Agreed!
Whats with the "P"s - for Pegasos?

And some might read between the lines and see bbrv condoning the hacking of certain copy protections...

Ian
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 63 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 03-Jun-2003 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Ian Shurmer):
Get serious... He replied humorously to a specific (humorous too) statement.
But.. Bill, stop teasing everybody please:-)
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 64 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 03-Jun-2003 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (bbrv):
>@Sammy! Let's PegOut!

Yep, Peg out, Ami in. :-P
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 65 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 03-Jun-2003 11:55 GMT
Hey, there's nothing agressive in Bill's posts so if you don't like them just don't answer ! IMHO the only interesting post in this thread was the first one, by bbrv. (real piece of information : G4 cards being manufactured)

The rest is only attacks, blabbering or chat :)
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 66 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 03-Jun-2003 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Hmmmm... well I wouldn't advise bb to take up a career in stand-up comedy thats for sure. And Alkis, I didn't even need to read your name to see that you would be defending bb and everything he does... sigh!

Ian
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 67 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 03-Jun-2003 11:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Ian Shurmer):
It's unavoidable: we are all parts of camps...
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 68 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2003 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Ian Shurmer):
Sorry, i forgot the smiley :-) (it was a humorous statement of course!)

Ian
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 69 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 03-Jun-2003 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (mahen):
Speak for yourself mahen!

Ian :-)
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 70 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2003 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Ian Shurmer):
To elaborate, I don't see why anybody should be in a "camp" - just because you own MorphOS that puts you in the blue camp? I hope not...

Ian :-)
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 71 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 03-Jun-2003 12:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Ian Shurmer):
Hey, I'm a MOS user but I stopped "attacking" the other product, if find it stupid, and I try to remain open; but I tend to defend the product I'm using b/c I like it...

Many of us react in terms of camps automatically, without their wanting it...

Automatically jumping at bbrv in this thread was not useful.

It's a pathetic situation the community is in :(

However I hope only a minority takes part in flamewars..

The problem is the ambiance of animosity, adversity which reigns here :( We should just post constructive things. Constructive criticisms, interesting things. We don't fight for our lives ! We just consider products !

Anyway I now rarely comment on ann, it's really tiring and depressing to see the community tearing itself apart. So now I focus on good things : what was released, what good is happening etc... Everybody shoud do that :)
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 72 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2003 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (mahen):
Okay Mahen, fair comment - but bear in mind that myself, like many others, don't just "attack" bill buck, i treat people the same whatever "camp" they are in - its just bb tends to post a lot more inflammatory material than others!

Anyway, to get back on topic... this is great news for Amiga PPC - lets break the 1Ghz barrier at last :-)

Ian :-)
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 73 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 03-Jun-2003 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Anonymous):
and the 2ghz barrier too ;-)
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 74 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Jun-2003 12:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (bbrv):
Look Bill, my handle is Amon_Re, it has been Amon_Re for what, 10 years now? If you insist however on changing it, i will also forego of any politeness regarding your person, take these words any way you want, but i will *NOT* go back on my word.

Also, i'm still waiting on a reply on my last mail, and since you've been posting here i asume you had time to read it, however, the absence of a reply will be translated to admitting to my points on my side.

cheers
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 75 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Jun-2003 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (bbrv):
Well, now we know who wears the pants overthere ;)

Cheers
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 76 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Jun-2003 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Problem is, he's not teasing some people, but upsetting them, and his sence of humor is worthy a subject in psych school :)

Cheers
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 77 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 03-Jun-2003 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Amon_Re):
Didn't upset me. Im clearly being too obtuse to see the insults.
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 78 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Jun-2003 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (DaveP):
I wasn't refurring to insults there DaveP, but to his rather constant butting into threads with all sorts of pointless posts, asfor his anouncement, it would be better if he placed that as a newsitem.

BTW, Bill, not everyone reads the comments, they won't see your announcement! *Shock! Horror!*

Cheers
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 79 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 03-Jun-2003 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Amon_Re):
Its called bad marketing. Those that are already "on side" will go whoopppeee doooo and spread it around the planet to other "on side" people as verbatim truth, those that are not "on side" get irritated and turned off and those that don't even bother to look at the comments will never see it.

Of course it was a "tease" but only Time Will Tell if it is On Schedule And Rockin or the truth.
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 80 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 03-Jun-2003 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (bbrv):
by bbrv:

> @tmhg No fans or even propellers on these flying Pegs! They are rockets! Pegs in Space!

Oh? Wait! Look - Up in the sky!

- Its a plane!

_ No! Its a bird!

Its ...
http://enotes.diallink.net/3flypigs.gif
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 81 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by - on 03-Jun-2003 15:14 GMT
>Hi Neil, the pin connectors are the same and they are supplied by Motorola. >
>Pegs will fly...;-)
>
>You and DaveP should start a Help Group. ;-P
>
>It is just a computer!
>
>R&B

Hey BB, I heard disappointing tales about lacking support for the MOS part of the Pegs, namely things like arrogance, carelessness and indifference. Yes, Peg owners told me, its not just invented.
You should work on that aspect,too. Not just on the hardware.
You know, if it keeps this way its unlikely I will ever buy a peg. And this should happen with others, too. Just owning a piece of good hw doesnt cut the mustard, support and development must be good, too.
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 82 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2003 17:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
> i think that even G4 gets much too hot in that clock if you don't have a fan.

Have you guys heard of other cooling methods than a fan ?! Some are noiseless.
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 83 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 03-Jun-2003 17:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Ian Shurmer):
Haha Either Bills on steroids or there's an AI supporter impersonating. ;)

>Have you considered seeing a psychiatrist at all?
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 84 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2003 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (-):
> Just owning a piece of good hw doesnt cut the mustard, support and development
> must be good, too.

<troll>
Yup. Just wait for your customers to start a couple of Yahoo! Groups mailinglists and let them play with Linux driver sources too for good measure, and everything will be just fine.

You don't even need a piece of good hw, you can sell somebody else's old developer boards, or whatever they happen to have available. You don't even have to know diddly squat about the stuff you're selling, just publicly pretend that you're "ordering G4 CPU's," you "can't find any bugs," you "have fixed the bugs," you "need extra QA tests," etc. You'll get away with those obvious lies.
</troll>

Of course I'm joking. Something that's sold like that could never ever get a certification that's allegedly there to guarantee end-user support <*snicker*>, among other things. Could it? ;-)

Before some dumbfck split vision campist gets his knickers in a knot over this, I'll add that yeah, the MorphOS + Pegasos support needs to reach "mainstream" levels as well, now that it's not a "BETATESTER" thingy any more. Shape up.
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 85 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Jun-2003 19:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Anonymous):
Well, i'm not going to start flaming you for what you wrote, because you do have
a point worth talking about.

Yes, the A1 only runs Linux atm (as far as i know that is), but you did pull the
whole situation out of context.

the A1 product is still rough arround the corners as far as i heard, but frankly
it doesn't bother me, same goes to the pegasos, there are rough edges.

these rough edges aren't going to stop me to buy the product that interrests me
tho, but here are afew things they (both eyetech & genesi) could do to improve
the situation:

1) Set up a (public) site with asmuch documentation about the product as
possible, make it readable to people with & without the hardware, don't make a
"club" out of owning it.

2) Provide asmuch technicall documents about the boards as you are legally
allowed to do

3) Try and get mainstream interest by pushing the boards into other markets
(Genesi was doing a great job at that, but for the moment they have no product
to sell anymore)

4) Stay out of public forums!

5) Use the proper mediachannels to make statements & announcements

6) Listen to your customers, don't bully them

7) Please, i repeat, please don't make *any* statements about the competition,
unless these statements involve things like licence agreements, cooperation,
and stuff like that

8) If you feel the need to neglect 7, provide full technicall coverage about
the issue's you raised

9) If you need a mailinglist, set up a real mailinglist, don't use things like
Yahoo, it's unproffesional, and it's really not that expensive to set a server
up with majordomo

10) It's the little things that get you extra customers, even if you only have
limited resources, it is still possible to make attractive bundles (software).
If you bundle with eg LinuxPPC, make sure that the software is easilly updated,
and comes with a default install that is suitable for newbies (while still
giving the experts the choice of getting the 'nasty' bits)

These are my 10 commandments :)

Cheers
Faster G4 processors from Motorola : Comment 86 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Miky060 on 04-Jun-2003 07:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (bbrv):
Hi dear Bill!
>> FYI, 1GHz, 1.2 GHz and 1.3 GHz Pegasos G4 cards to be produced next week. The commercial release will be in July, depending on which version has the best price vs. performance ratio.

I only seriously hope it will be in every case a 7457 one! And not an older model. Let's cross our finger hopeing that for one time you will really surprise us.
All you Pegasos users cross your fingers with me. ;-)
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