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Posted on 04-Jun-2003 08:47 GMT by Ben70 comments
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As reported at amiga.org:
http://www.murphyauctions.net/amiga.html
Seems to be a list of useful but dated PCs, printers and furniture with a few PDAs thrown in. I guess they will be most upset by the loss of the foosball table.
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 1 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Xeyes on 04-Jun-2003 06:57 GMT
AMIGA! Hardware indipendance at last!
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Posted by priest on 04-Jun-2003 06:59 GMT
Sales of AmigaDE powered PDAs has begun .............. kind of. ;)
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 04-Jun-2003 06:59 GMT
This was reported ages ago. Its actually their landlord selling off the stuff. Its all explained in Ask Fleecy™.
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Posted by T_Bone on 04-Jun-2003 07:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Peter Gordon):
Yes, but now we have an inventory of items being sold.
It's slightly interesting
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Posted by krize on 04-Jun-2003 07:26 GMT
A lot of stuff ...
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Posted by Seehund on 04-Jun-2003 07:38 GMT
"Old furniture" indeed.
I hope they've got SOMETHING left at their respective home-offices to do some DE/AACE development on, or whatever they say they do.

@priest: ROTFL!
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jun-2003 08:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Xeyes):
> AMIGA! Hardware indipendance at last!

To be really free, you have to get rid of that heavy materialistic burden. No soule can be really free and posess things at the same time. Let the spirit flow! Keep the Amiga spirit alive!

(/me is puffing on some marejuana and listening to some good old indian hippie tunes)
;-)
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Posted by Biig surpise on 04-Jun-2003 08:22 GMT
This is their whole office, not "old" furniture!
They planned to cover it, but now theres the detail.
Looks all like they're ruined.

Excerpt:
(31) HP VECTRTA VL600 pc's w/533mhz, 10gb/hd, 128mb/ram
(30) VIEWSONIC P810 21" color monitors
(+10) GATEWAY 17" color monitors
CANON IMAGERUNNER 210S copier
PANASONIC FP-3280 copier
BROTHER HL1270N laser printer
BROTHER HL1240 laser printer
HP DESKJET 812C color printer
EPSON STYLUS 880 color printer
EPSON STYLUS 740i color printer
EPSON STYLUS PHOTO printer
PANASONIC UF-788 fax machine
BROTHER MFC4450 fax machine
(+15) Padded arm chairs on casters
(+20) Padded arm chairs
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jun-2003 08:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Biig surpise):
> This is their whole office, not "old" furniture!
> They planned to cover it, but now theres the detail.
> Looks all like they're ruined.

Nah, their phones were hacked! ;-)
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Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 08:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Biig surpise):
They can't be ruined yet, still no bankruptsy filings.

Cheers
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jun-2003 08:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Biig surpise):
BTW, you have a cool IP! :-)
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 04-Jun-2003 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Biig surpise):
No, it looks like they were locked out of their offices and all material property seized to pay off their outstanding debt, which is what most people knew to be the case for a very long time.

This means all IP, company documents and personal property of company employees would be returned to them, but all equipment, such as furniture, computer equipment, printers, filing cabinets, even the infamous cubicle partitions would all go. One would expect any hard drives to be wiped clean, if only to cover the creditors from any threat of breaching copyright laws.

All this is just confirmation of what is already public knowledge. That some people tried to spin the event as having a different meaning is inevitable is suppose.
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jun-2003 08:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Bill Hoggett):
> This means all IP, company documents and personal property of company employees would be returned to them, but all equipmentv

There is an awful lot of HD disks in the sale though, I wonder if they all went through DoD-quality erasing (I doubt it).
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jun-2003 08:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Bill Hoggett):
But isn't this pretty much the same thing as being ruined (note: I didn't say bankrupt)? This is not a sign of health, this is a sign of *pure disaster*. IMO, they have been kicked on the balls so hard (or rather, they kicked themselves) that they can not get up anymore without help.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jun-2003 08:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
> There is an awful lot of HD disks in the sale though, I wonder if they all
> went through DoD-quality erasing (I doubt it).

I doubt that there is any information on those HDD's of greater interest anyway.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 08:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (takemehomegrandma):
time will tell

Cheers
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 04-Jun-2003 09:03 GMT
Too bad about the foosball table, but at least Bill got his big punching bag out in time.
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jun-2003 09:43 GMT
Don't worry, Ray will be along any minute now to laugh at everyone and to claim that there is nothing to see here, it's all part of the AInc Grand Master Plan, and that anyone who thinks this is a bad sign doesn't know what they are talking about.

He will then allude to knowing something nobody else does, insult everyone once more, and then leave again, refusing to answer any questions people ask as a result of his post.
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jun-2003 09:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Bill Hoggett):
> All this is just confirmation of what is already public knowledge.

You would think so, unless of course you happen to read the hilarious crap written on AmigaINCWorld.net. "Oh the BMFs are at it again, Amiga Inc are only selling off a few office chairs they don't need anymore. Fleecy told me so!"
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Posted by Emeric SH on 04-Jun-2003 09:54 GMT
But a refrigerator...?
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jun-2003 10:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
You know what? As a follow up I must say this.

You hate to kick someone when their down I bet, I know I do. Most of the time you don't wish ill fate on anyone or any company. But their are exceptions and Amiga Inc is one of them. Bold face lying to people and telling them to trust you is bad. Taking people's money over false pretenses is very bad. Outright stealing is the worst. Amiga Inc has commited all of these offenses. How anyone, especially a coupon owner or party pack purchaser could be an apologist for Amiga inc is beyond me. They really are cultist!!!
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 04-Jun-2003 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
> There is an awful lot of HD disks in the sale though,

You're kidding, right? That's one SMALL office suite, and a relatively tiny pile of equipment.

> I wonder if they all went through DoD-quality erasing (I doubt it).

I don't know, but neither the creditors or the auctioneers are entitled to sell or give away Amiga Inc's IP AFAIK, and the same applies to any confidential documents or information that may be on that equipment. Not taking the appropriate measures would leave both open to a counter-suit, if not from Amiga themselves (since I doubt Amiga Inc can afford to sue anyone, even when they have a rock solid case), then from anyone who might acquire Amiga Inc's IP in the future. When you consider the possible fallout, I know *I* would wipe it all clean rather than take the risk. The relative cost of doing so is peanuts, specially for the tiny amount of equipment involved.

Anyway, even if they are careless, what does it matter to us? Anyone who acquires the systems and finds any IP, sources, etc. on them still won't have the rights to any of it, so what's the point? That's assuming that anyone thinks those machines ever contained anything of value anyway.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 04-Jun-2003 10:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
> "Amiga Inc are only selling off a few office chairs they don't need anymore"

Actually most of the quotes say they are selling of stuff they don't *USE* any more. Since they've been deprived of access to any of that equipment for some time, this is technically true.

It's a subtle but significant use of words and meaning spotted by all those who read with their eyes open. :-P
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Posted by Ian Shurmer on 04-Jun-2003 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Bill Hoggett):
Heheh, not many then! :-)

Ian
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Posted by Olegil on 04-Jun-2003 10:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Bill Hoggett):
Yep, it's like saying "a significant amount of xxx has been sold to yyy" whenever you sell one or two units. It really looks a lot better if you just glance at the news instead of get the real numbers. But of course, only a few people ever know the _real_ numbers. If you ever see a press release of someone saying they have sold "a signicant amount" of anything, read it as one or two units ;-)

It's not lying, it's making sure you don't go out and say "we suck, and we know it" :-)
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Posted by Some Farker on 04-Jun-2003 10:29 GMT
I pity whomever buys the HP Vectra systems. utter, utter junk. I can't say enough bad about them. Let's just say that whomever designed them was also probably responsible for the design of Packard Bell computers. They're THAT BAD.

I wish I could get my hands on the network gear, though. I could use a few routers and hubs, plus a Cisco box to practice on. Ah well.
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Posted by Him again on 04-Jun-2003 10:29 GMT
Let's get some of these comps and see what kind of spare-time-leeched pron
McEven or Peake used to collect. =:O
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 04-Jun-2003 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
As a (loosely relevant) point of reference --- a couple of years, Australia's second airline (Ansett) went tits up. And about 9 months or so ago I bought a used SGI Indy at an auction place like the one running the Amiga auction --- with all the software still on the hard drive. It was quite evident that nobody had made any attempt to wipe any data.And while I haven't been to the auctions in a few months, I'd estimate a 500MHz Celeron to go for about US$ 50-100. Hooking the machine up to power and a monitor, and wiping the hard drive, takes a lot of time, and thus money. And the landlord probably couldn't care less about AI's IP, but *does* care about getting as much money back as possible.So I certainly wouldn't count on hard disks being wiped.
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Posted by Muffin on 04-Jun-2003 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
Why am i not suprised that this is a Anonymous post...trying to put Amiga.inc in a bad light and make them look like criminals, and your trying really hard but....
you still drink CocaCola/Pepsi
you still use Nike/Reebok what ever glorius brand
you still pay multinational companies (for what ever they own and sell)
and they are ALL good right???

.....not to mention goverments and politicians
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 04-Jun-2003 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Bill Hoggett):
At my local auction site, when you register for bidding, you sign that you are aware that the only thing you buy when buying storage devices is the hardware, and that any data that may still be on there should be wiped by the buyer.Sounds like CYA to me, but these people have been in the business for many many years, so I guess at least here in Oz, it's sufficient....
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jun-2003 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Muffin):
put in bad light?

ainc put themselves in bad light, for crying out loud!
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Posted by Janne on 04-Jun-2003 11:01 GMT
I think we can assume some of the stuff to be auctioned can be seen here:

http://ql.programmazione.it/default_frame.asp?id=80&lang=it
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Posted by MarkTime on 04-Jun-2003 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Bill Hoggett):
> "Amiga Inc are only selling off a few office chairs they don't need anymore"

>>Actually most of the quotes say they are selling of stuff they don't *USE* any more. Since they've been deprived of access to any of that equipment for some time, this is technically true.

>>It's a subtle but significant use of words and meaning spotted by all those who read with their eyes open. :-P

True Bill, but few can say this definatively BEFORE it's proven, even
if some silently suspect it, and thats the problem, not everyone is going to
go ape sh@#@ over what is an obvious word play.

I do that occasionally, call someone out, sometimes with success, sometimes not.

Anyway, I do disagree on one subjective point, this is not the office furniture
of a lean and mean operating machine. This is dot-com excess. If they had
30 people sitting in front of PC's, dagnabit they should have produced something.

They always said they did small contracts with key people worldwide...that plan made sense to me....now it appears they were spending money like a drunken sailor on shore leave :-) <--playing *subtle* word games of my own.
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 34 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jun-2003 12:16 GMT
Has anyone noticed a single non-pc or non-pda machine here?
In other words: "Amiga anywhere"?
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Posted by Don Cox on 04-Jun-2003 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (MarkTime):
"Anyway, I do disagree on one subjective point, this is not the office furniture
of a lean and mean operating machine. This is dot-com excess. If they had
30 people sitting in front of PC's, dagnabit they should have produced something.

They always said they did small contracts with key people worldwide...that plan made sense to me....now it appears they were spending money like a drunken sailor on shore leave :-) <--playing *subtle* word games of my own."

Absolutely right. This is the crazy optimism of the dot com era. "We borrowed loadsa money from a VC, and when that is all spent we can easily borrow some more, and when that is all spent we will have an IPO."

However, I think the people concerned may have learned a few things in the past couple of years.
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Posted by Ben on 04-Jun-2003 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
I am sure all the Amiga Classic, AmigaOnes and Macs could be classed as "non-business" property. :)
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 37 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 04-Jun-2003 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Peter Gordon):
Reported incorrectly, did you see that stuff, it's not just "Old" Furniture, the routers/phone systems, not to mention the array of machines that are being sold off.
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Posted by MIKE on 04-Jun-2003 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Ben):
There was no classification, it's obvious Amiga was locked out of the building unexpectedly, I doubt any of the harddrives are wiped, the landlord isn't going to lose any more money paying people to come in and make sure their hardware is IP clean.
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Posted by PaulT on 04-Jun-2003 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Daniel Miller):
hahaha! I didn't see the Foosball table the first time through. Now if that had some sort of Amiga logo added, I'd spring for it! :D

(no longer responding to same message) If having a computer, a larger than 15" monitor, and a nice padded chair is excessive spending of the venture capital, then you're a true Spartan. It's really IMO the minimum necessary to have a decent ergonomic working environment. Worldwide conference calls, ditto for a good speakerphone and some video switching. Running a modern computer-related company, with a corporate website? I'd say that called for a router, some switches, etc. More than five people commuting into the office? Put in a refrigerator. None of what I saw looked like serious excess.
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Posted by 3seas on 04-Jun-2003 15:53 GMT
Given the public available information, can anyone put together a timeline when things turned to bad to undo?

The trademark issue of being dead since Jan 3.....

The T-Shirt Promo

The threat of lawsuits by Amiga
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jun-2003 16:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (MIKE):
> I doubt any of the harddrives are wiped, the landlord isn't going to lose any more money paying people to come in and make sure their hardware is IP clean.

It's not only the IP but the regular documents in an office (records, license agreement drafts, personal e-mails, t-shirt waiting list, whatever). Any of this stuff coming out could be really emberassing. And aren't there pending lawsuits ? How can the records possibly be erased/sold under such circumstances ?
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Posted by KenH on 04-Jun-2003 16:25 GMT
Wow! That's some Feng Suing! ;)
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 43 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 04-Jun-2003 17:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
Its obvious isnt it? Amiga Inc now have more money so they just go to the auction and buy everything back - including that big box of t-shirts! :)
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Posted by MarkTime on 04-Jun-2003 18:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (PaulT):
@Paul,

It was not the items themselves, but the quantity of them.
You have a 5 man operation, you expect one file server, and 5 workstations.
Maybe a second server for internet functions, depending upon what you do.

It seemed excessive for a company that never produced much of anything, imho.
But...its a tiny point. Obviously in hindsight its excessive if they can't even hang on to it, and claim to be doing well without any of it.
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Posted by 3seas on 04-Jun-2003 18:48 GMT
No matter what anyone wants to make of this, the fact is that it is considered "Assets" that can be and is being converted to "cash". The fundamental point of interest is who is doing the conversion and why.

I can perhaps see a company converting some small percentage of their assets into cash, or even throwing such non-working or outdated equipment out, but neither is the case here.

It is a rather large amount of items in comparison to any external verified source of the actual size of Amiga Inc. Employee base.

And in any event it shows disregards for taking care of ones business. So what if it was an agreed upon exchange for back rent due?

Amiga decides they don't need the stuff and figure they will just let the landlord have it as payment for what can only be back rent, as Amiga is no longer there.

Then as a matter of Public interest then how about a verified statement from teh landlord to such an effect.

Maybe I'm being stupid here.... or maybe I'm just trying to find the most logical validateable excuse for this event.

Amiga decides to cut their losses in teh office space. They move in to MS property and proceed to work on MS products.... while being supported by MS....

Come on Ray AKey....... explain this in terms that are reasonable to suspend disbelief.......

I have no doubt that the manificent creativity of the all that Amiga is can fabricate an acceptable excuse.... true or false....
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Posted by 3seas on 04-Jun-2003 19:03 GMT
The grand plans Amiga Inc had to develope an online software rental system and collect royalities for some fraction of to redistribute back to the third party developers......

It fell thru....

Given the discription of the Trademark as Amiga Inc had it, further suggest this trademarked.... rental system was to be based upon software that was used to develop such rental software on.....

General puzzle overview....... anyone want to add details to it?
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Posted by Tigger on 04-Jun-2003 19:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (PaulT):
>>>>>
If having a computer, a larger than 15" monitor, and a nice padded chair is excessive spending of the venture capital, then you're a true Spartan. It's really IMO the minimum necessary to have a decent ergonomic working environment. Worldwide conference calls, ditto for a good speakerphone and some video switching. Running a modern computer-related company, with a corporate website? I'd say that called for a router, some switches, etc. More than five people commuting into the office? Put in a refrigerator. None of what I saw looked like serious excess.
>>>>>

I am going to have to respectively disagree, there are 7 servers, plus 44 other computers, lots of printers, scanners, etc. All this for an office that held 10-12 at its peak. Wouldnt you agree that 30+ Vectras and 30+ 21" monitors is pretty silly when you never had 30 employees??? The PDA collection, most of us has seen most of those demoed at one time or another, having 1 of each type of item as you get your products to work on them is a good idea, fridge, foosball table, etc, pretty much non issues, but having 30+ PCs when you dont have 30+ employees is pretty silly. Hire a new employee, get a computer for him, maybe have a spare one around in case someones goes down, having 20 spare computers around with 21" monitors is just crazy.
-Tig
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Posted by Undertaker on 04-Jun-2003 19:58 GMT
Thank god,
that is the end of Bill McEwen and his fucking idiot Fleccy.

What a day!!!!! :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 49 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 20:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Undertaker):
This is precisely what i'm talking about here http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1054723894&category=forum&start=51#message72

*sigh*
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Posted by Harv on 04-Jun-2003 21:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Bernd Meyer):
When .info magazine went tits up in 1991, owing three or four months/issues' worth of writing fees to all of their freelance contracted writers (me amongst them), and owing their in house staff salary, similar to what Bolton Peck successfully sued Amiga Inc. for, what the inside staff couldn't grab with both arms and take home before the doors were locked got put up for sale in a tent auction in Iowa City, IA. I've got the flyer for the auction (there was no WWW then on which to post this sort of thing) and while I'm in no way inclined to type the whole list of auctioned inventory in, it included a LOT of Alpha and Beta software AND hardware and review hardware that .info had either under NDA or for review and return purposes. All of it was sold. Including computers with Beta version software on it.

So if you want to think that the hard drives in those soon to be auctioned Amiga Inc. computers contain nothing of importance, go ahead and think it. Obviously Murphy Auctions isn't going to list the contents of the hard drives. And the last entry in the inventory, "Misc. office supplies and much more".. well who knows what that could include..

Or to use Ray's style of obfuscation, "It says filing cabinets. It doesn't say there's anything in them, but it doesn't say there isn't anything in them either." But how anyone could look at that list and say it's just "some old furniture" I'll leave as an exercise to your imagination..

Harv
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