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[News] Pegasos II price!ANN.lu
Posted on 04-Jun-2003 15:17 GMT by Alkis Tsapanidis (Edited on 2003-06-04 17:45:37 GMT by Christophe Decanini)154 comments
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The Pegasos II price has now been announced.
The options are the following: G3 at 299 and G4 at 499 (Tax excl.).
Additionally there's the option to exchange the Pegasos1 with a
Pegasos 2 with a G4 at the expense of 200E or buy the G4 card alone
at the same price.

More info at: MorphOS-News.de
Pegasos II price! : Comment 51 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by yoodoo on 04-Jun-2003 18:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (greenboy):
@ greenboy (delayed response because of work)

"You say that like it's a BAD thing. When REALLY it is what is needed to make better products quicker, and survive while doing it. Without requiring what might be described as repeated mercy or charity f**cks from the community. "

Not at all: loss leaders have been a valid marketing technique for decades. I'm perfectly happy for BB to lose money if he wants too, and as he (or AR) are unlikey to reveal their cost & profit structure, we can only guess who has the better business plan that will stay the distance.

I'd be very happy for both platforms to be a storming success. If I could justify it to the wife, there'd be a good chance of me trying to get my hands on a Pegasos 2, but she already baulks at the 4 machines currently hogging the dining room ;)
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Posted by yoodoo on 04-Jun-2003 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Xeyes):
@ Xeyes:

"Good point. we should only invest our futures in garage run businesses run by people wearing a barrel. :) "

Absolutely, that's why I've just invested £500,000 in Krusty Burgers ;)
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Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (dammy):
Dammy, you don't know me, and you don't know whom i know personally.

What makes you think i've not tried AOS4? Did i ever say that i did or didn't?
I *know* why i want AOS4, because to me, it is a cleaner implementation then MOS.

Cheers
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Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 18:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (bbrv):
Don't worry, if AOS4 fails, i'm switching to AROS & x86, sad really, because i like PPC, but with AROS being on x86 (there's little reason *for now* to think AROS will be released on PPC prior then on x86) i see no alternative (plus i have *LOTS* of x86 machines)

Amon_Re
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Posted by JoannaK on 04-Jun-2003 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (takemehomegrandma):
(an disclaimer.. I don't work there.. :-)

>> Ram type changes to DDram (366MHZ is most likely).
>This will be so nice! :-)

Yep.. having enough ram bandwidth for both CPU and axillary units is a good thing..

>> it'll likely have some (1 or 2?) Gigabit ethernets on board. Those are
>> rarities even on X86 boards these days.

>Initially they announced 3 ports. AFAIK this was later decresed to two
>ports when they decided which Marvel model to use (I'm *pretty sure* that
>the source of info for this was BBRV, but I'm not 100% sure!). I hope that
>there will be two ports available when the final boards arrive!

Well.. it's something they have to consider. Having more of them cost's money, OTOH having Giga ethernets makes this boards really attractive for Server market. There are not many boards that can offer same features on same price.
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Posted by Don Cox on 04-Jun-2003 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
"> The price is still high compared to a routine Athlon-based motherboard

I agree. But it's made sweeter by the fact that the routine Athlon mainboard has no CPU included in the price."

Price including VAT, from the computer shop a short walk from here, is around 60 UKP for a typical motherboard and 65 UKP for a 2000 XP. That must be around $200 including VAT, total.

You could add a bit because the AMD CPU will need a good fan. That still makes a combo running at less than half the clock speed rather expensive.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Anonymous):
You buy an OS because it looks nice??

Personally, i wouldn't care if it was B/W, aslong as it does what i want it to do, has potential, and does it effeciantly, i'm happy.

Amon_Re
Pegasos II price! : Comment 58 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Anonymous):
You buy an OS because it looks nice??

Personally, i wouldn't care if it was B/W, aslong as it does what i want it to do, has potential, and does it effeciantly, i'm happy.

Amon_Re
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Posted by Don Cox on 04-Jun-2003 18:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Neko):
"This means we can
sell boards for $299 (G3 only) instead of $499, and reserve that high price
point for G4 boards."

"we"? Are you opening a shop?
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Posted by bbrv on 04-Jun-2003 18:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Don Cox):
Now, Don how can you talk about "speed" after we honored you earlier today after you used the word "power" in Reflections about Genesi's Atari plans : Comment 189 of 243

From us just after in what we call the PegPong thread...

Anyway, Don, thanks for point out that power is the issue not speed. Power equals the ratio of work to time or said another way WATTS HAPPENING! (hoho). Anyway, what we need to do here is create a new way of describing a computer's function -- how fast it can do a specific task. Now, that is what we call...(you guessed it!)

PegPower!!!

-----end of quote-----

Thanks Don, for keeping that straight...;-)

Adios Amig(o)s!

R&B
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Posted by itix on 04-Jun-2003 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Amon_Re):
> What makes you think i've not tried AOS4? Did i ever say that i did or didn't?> I *know* why i want AOS4, because to me, it is a cleaner implementation then MOS. That is quite new for me. I always thought you were MorphOS advocate. I never read much your postings but you write lot more to MOS threads than anyone else. I wonder what is so interesting in MorphOS for you? :)
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Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 18:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (itix):
I like to keep an eye open, also, is it forbidden that i post there?

I post here because i feel the need to, tomuch mudslinging going on

Amon_Re
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Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Amon_Re):
BTW, Bill, one of my inside sources just said he knew nothing about the OF bit, so i asume you are again spreading false rumors *sigh*

I asked the others & expect details about it soon

Amon_Re
Pegasos II price! : Comment 64 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 04-Jun-2003 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Amon_Re):
That is ok, sooner or later you will be assimilated anyway :)
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Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 19:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (itix):
Sorry mate, but i'm hard to convince :)

But really, imagine if nobody would question Bill Buck, or Bill McEwan, or anyone, and just accept anything they say as thruth, what would happen?

I'm not going to drag old cows out of the gutter, Bill knows what i'm talking about & he's free to reply to me if he feels like it, but somehow i doubt he can/will do that.

Besides, every thread needs a sceptist :)

Over to MOS & PEG....

Based on all the info i have about MOS i must say that the chances of me switching to that OS are rather slim. I'm sure it's an nice OS for you, but it's not my cup of tea.

The hardware, that's a different story, but alas, no unique selling point that appeals to me (sofar)

Cheers
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Posted by Hagge on 04-Jun-2003 20:23 GMT
I hope there will be a PPC970 version of the pegasos2 to, i need better integer performance for my compilations =P
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Posted by MIKE on 04-Jun-2003 20:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Nate Downes):
Atari was long dead by then, your timeframes are screwed up, Sega ruled the roost, it was between Saturn and PSX, when the Playstation was introduced (1995).
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 04-Jun-2003 20:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Xeyes):
Xeyes typed:

>> "We all know BB has big wads of cash that he's ready to splash around in
>> order to build up the Pegasos developer-base. "

> Good point. we should only invest our futures in garage run businesses run by
> people wearing a barrel. :)

And they just auctioned off the barrel. ;)

I disagree with the anonymous guy that Genesi is splashing money around. They have made a business decision that they will invest a certain amount of capital (and their personal time and effort, don't forget about that) in the hopes that Pegasos and MorphOS become a success.

This is really a great thing for the Amiga community. Who would have imagined this two years ago? The whole Amiga scene was so close to extinction. I really believe that bPlan's product and Genesi's leadership and capital are bringing us back from the brink, and I say this as someone who has owned Amigas since 1989.
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Posted by Nick on 04-Jun-2003 20:31 GMT
Hardware-wise Pegasos II seems very impressive, especially at this price point. Well, for the Amiga market anyway. But I'm not yet convinced about MOS - nothing against it, I'd be happy to explore it thoroughly if I got a copy bundled with a Peg II. OS4 does sound as though it will be very good though, compared to a so-so review of MOS on OS News. I definitely like the sound of OS4 being available for the Peg II.

Food for thought, Genesi & Hyperion?
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jun-2003 20:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (RC):
Tempest 2000 Rulez! Other then that the Jaguar's games pretty much sucked.
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Posted by zylesea on 04-Jun-2003 20:50 GMT
Well the price is quite good. The hw is well improved compared with
the Peg 1. DDR Ram, GBit network, AGP burstmode, no buggy northbridge.
The price is even not bad compared wit h a standard pc. Don´t forget
to take the included OS into accont. I know windows is often "for
free" but if yo take standard mobo + processor + Windows (oem license)
you end up with around 300 EUR/US$, right the x86 will be higher
clocked but thw pegasos is on track. Just reached the end of the pc
price scheme.

Today is Pegparty, indeed!
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Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 20:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (zylesea):
I give up... Logic seems to be to much for some people to use.

The bugs you mention are nowhere documented, i say it's a problem with the Peg1, you will say it's with the northbridge, samface will come in accusing you for spreading FUD, Alkis will start shouting at Samface... it never stops does it?

Would someone, please, *ANYONE* state here & now on public what the fck the problems are with the NB? So that this whole fcking mess is behind us already?

I've been unable to dig up *anything* about the issue, so eighter everyone stops repeating it, or someone clears up the issue right here right now.

This is the last time i request this info, if no-one does this, i'll make my own conclusions & the rest of this socalled community can go to digital hell for all i care.

Amon_Re
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Posted by greenboy on 04-Jun-2003 21:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Amon_Re):
> Amon_Re :
>If you get the Amiga brand name i guess you'll have everything you ever wanted, no?

You have to be joking. This is just the start. BBRV have ideas about technology and its potential to have positive impact that will be a long time in the making. One step at a time, and this talk of the Amiga name is not so much a big part of it at all...


>But still, even if you get the brand name, i'm still not intrested in it without AOS4, sorry mate, but that's the way i stand.

I think I might have heard you say that, before ; }
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Posted by greenboy on 04-Jun-2003 21:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (yoodoo):
yoodoo, as I've said: to the best of my knowledge this is not a loss leader. Sights are set a lot wider than the dwindled Amiga market as it exists today, and it's a long haul. It would not be wise, would not be prudent ... to work the loss leader angle ; }   Because not only is there seeding and R&D and marketing, but there should be financial common sense always feeding those expenditures.
Pegasos II price! : Comment 75 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 21:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (greenboy):
I'm not joking, Bill Buck has been after Amiga in the past (Viscorp) and besides, what's the point? The market is being killed anyway.

The community is so twisted arround that even logic seems to be to difficult for a big part of the vocal members of the community, all that really happens is mudslinging, i'm sick & tired of that.

I'll stick with AOS4 & AROS, the rest of the "community" can go ahead without me, sod it all & go sit on your April chips.

No offence meant to you mate, but i've had it with this community, there are perhaps 5 active posters here that make sence, the rest is to busy with their holy war.

I've said what i had to say, peace out, i'm off

Cheers
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Posted by greenboy on 04-Jun-2003 21:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Amon_Re):
One mark of a good business man is that he is persistent and tenacious; if the horse bucks him off he finds a way to get back on. But the horse itself is not the ride, and the ride not the destination.

<-- greenboy ---<<<<    re-treads on David Caradine in Kung Foo, morphing with some spiritual tract found on a bus seat ; }
Pegasos II price! : Comment 77 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 21:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (greenboy):
I stopped considering Bill Buck a bussiness man afew hours ago.

Have fun with your peg Greenboy, and with MOS

Amon_Re
Pegasos II price! : Comment 78 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 04-Jun-2003 21:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Don Cox):
> "we"? Are you opening a shop?

I haven't decided yet. Depends what the bank manager says. Can I get you to
confirm that we have 1,000,000 users if he asks? :D

Neko
Pegasos II price! : Comment 79 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 04-Jun-2003 21:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Anonymous):
Design your own themes, then.

If you don't like it.. change it.

If you are a crappy graphic designer.. well.. that's your own hard turd :D
Pegasos II price! : Comment 80 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 04-Jun-2003 22:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Amon_Re):
Hi Amon_Re,

AOS 4.0 is going for the gold.

I will get One two. The price difference in Canada is $317 for the G4, but when you're spending big amounts anyway, you can sweep it under the rug.

I have to get the OS I know, over something that is complementary.

P.S. I haven't tried it.

AmigaOne! I'm going for the tried and true!
Pegasos II price! : Comment 81 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jun-2003 22:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Dan Andersson):
Looks like you don't recognize history when it repeats itself.
Sony lost money when it first introduced the PS2 because it was selling it under cost to break in the market. BB is loaded with money and he's doing the same thing. You don't really believe that you can manufacture small quantities of those machines, sell them at those prices and still make a profit do you?
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jun-2003 22:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Nate Downes):
>accusing Sony of selling at a loss

That was a well-known fact
Pegasos II price! : Comment 83 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by Casey R Williams on 05-Jun-2003 01:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Graham):
"However the hardware was pretty good - 2 25MHz 32/64 bit RISC processors that could retire 1 instruction per clock each for example ... a programmable display processor, etc. Shame about the 68000 in there, however it was usually ignored because it simply couldn't match the other processing resources available."

Not the way I remember it. As I recall, there were a couple of glaring bugs in the chips that Atari had let through. There were workarounds, but some things were meant to be easier than they actually ended up being. Including the 68000 certainly was the fatal mistake Atari made. Doubting the developers' ability to learn the new custom chips (and the workarounds for their bugs), the 68000 was added to get ST/Genesis/Amiga coders up to speed quickly. Sadly many games ended up being simple ports from other 68k platforms rather than original titles which would likely have exploited the cooler features of the hw design. But then again, could Atari have possibly gotten it right?
Pegasos II price! : Comment 84 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by xter on 05-Jun-2003 01:59 GMT
...but will it support Amiga OS4?
Pegasos II price! : Comment 85 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 05-Jun-2003 02:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Amon_Re):
So have you tried OS4 then?

Dammy
Pegasos II price! : Comment 86 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 05-Jun-2003 03:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (dammy):
If only you've seen the things i've seen...

Amon_Re
Pegasos II price! : Comment 87 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by AnonFather on 05-Jun-2003 03:26 GMT
This Amon_Ra dude seems to be a big psycho to me. Dude calm down a bit and go out. You are trying a lot in this Article to convince people, turn facts, talk crap and force them to share your own thoughts.
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Posted by AnonFather on 05-Jun-2003 03:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Amon_Re):
> If only you've seen the things i've seen...

The standard sentence of people who have seen nothing on their own but simply shout out the shit only to show that they know more than others which obviously is not the case.

Really in all the years I heard many such people 'I know things that you dream about' or 'I saw things that you may see soon too' or similar sentences. Then the question what have you seen and you get the answer 'I can't tell you but belive me, I have seen nice things'.

Now if you have seen things and know about other stuff and you are not allowed to talk or mention them then simply shut the fuck up at the end this only means that you know as much as the rest of this chaotic community knows.

I saw various german 'wannabes' writing things like 'I saw things about AmigaOS4 that but I can't tell ya' where obviously the only thing they have seen is one of the Hyperionbrothers jacking off in the toilet but nothing more.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 05-Jun-2003 04:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (AnonFather):
Yes, i'm pshycho, Samface hears Alkis's voice in his head, Bill is reduced to a rambling fool, this is Amiga, we're all insane.

The only thing i want to convince people of is that it's high time we all get our act together. To much for you?

Cheers
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Posted by DaveP on 05-Jun-2003 04:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (dammy):
@Dammy

So have you bought a Pegasos and used MOS yet?

I am using AOS4 to make this post.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 05-Jun-2003 04:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (AnonFather):
>> If only you've seen the things i've seen...
>
>The standard sentence of people who have seen nothing on their own but simply >shout out the shit only to show that they know more than others which >obviously is not the case.

Ah, right, don't believe your own eyes, but believe what some bozo tells u, now i see! Offcourse there's no AOS4, offcourse the A1 corrupts data! Offcourse the ArticiaS is bugged
</sarcasm>

You know Jack shit about me, so don't pretend to know things about me

>Really in all the years I heard many such people 'I know things that you dream >about' or 'I saw things that you may see soon too' or similar sentences. Then >the question what have you seen and you get the answer 'I can't tell you but >belive me, I have seen nice things'.

You don't have to believe me, after all, it's not like i said that i've witnessed bugs with the A1.... You'd love to believe that wouldn't you?

Sad, sad people....

Don't believe? Fine, sod off

>Now if you have seen things and know about other stuff and you are not allowed >to talk or mention them then simply shut the fuck up at the end this only >means that you know as much as the rest of this chaotic community knows.

Hey, i've asked numerous times for proof relating the Articia, did i get it? No... It's under NDA, or No, i don't feel like telling you, blablabla...

Want to know what i've seen? I've seen AOS4, there, i said it.

>I saw various german 'wannabes' writing things like 'I saw things about >AmigaOS4 that but I can't tell ya' where obviously the only thing they have >seen is one of the Hyperionbrothers jacking off in the toilet but nothing more.

You are a sick individual suffering from envy, get help

Amon_Re
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jun-2003 05:18 GMT
I wonder when Mai finishes the Articia P. SAmples were supposed to ship in Q2 2003, so that's now.
DDR333, --> AGP4x <--, PCI-X.......
And the AmigaTwo is born :-)
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Posted by Amon_Re on 05-Jun-2003 05:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Anonymous):
I already posted a link to an article of where the ArticiaP would be used, it's in one of the threads here on ann.lu

Cheers
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Posted by Olegil on 05-Jun-2003 05:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Amon_Re):
Oooh, that's helpful.

"I recently posted something somewhere that I'm not gonna even merely HINT at giving away a clue as to how you find" ;-)

I guess I will have to search, then. Never found ANYTHING here by searching, but there must be a first time for everything, I guess...
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Posted by Amon_Re on 05-Jun-2003 06:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Olegil):
Hey, i didn't have time this morning to look it up, gime a break :)

It's here: http://www.armada.ch/02-5/complete_02-5.pdf

Cheers
Pegasos II price! : Comment 96 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 05-Jun-2003 07:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Amon_Re):
Thanks :-)
Pegasos II price! : Comment 97 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 05-Jun-2003 07:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Neko):
"> "we"? Are you opening a shop?

I haven't decided yet. Depends what the bank manager says. Can I get you to
confirm that we have 1,000,000 users if he asks? :D

Neko"

I'll say anything if you pay me enough. ;-)
There are four computer shops within walking distance of here, so it must be a viable business. One of the few that hasn't been destroyed by the big out-of-town shopping centres.

Fixing PCs is probably the core business. Anything weird like "Amigas" would be icing.
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Posted by Don Cox on 05-Jun-2003 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Amon_Re):
"It's here: http://www.armada.ch/02-5/complete_02-5.pdf"

Yes, I read that yesterday. An excellent survey article, well worth printing out. Thanks for the link.
Pegasos II price! : Comment 99 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jun-2003 07:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (DaveP):
You are not Amon_Re :-P
Pegasos II price! : Comment 100 of 154ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 05-Jun-2003 07:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Don Cox):
I had ideas for another kind of store (imports mainly), but selling the Pegasos
in it might be an idea.

Of course I couldn't pay the rent selling it because I could never buy enough
and sell them and get any substantial profit without consultancy tacked on the
side (for instance, designing custom solutions for people, more than just box
shifting) which would stop me from being at the shop front.

Unless I hired a helper, which instantly removes £6500 from my budget with
which to pay a part time shop assistant.

If I spent time "fixing" or "selling" PCs, I could never convince them to buy
a Pegasos over a complete MiniITX system, to be honest :)

Plus most Pegasos business would be mail order - unless you want to trek to
Nottingham to buy it personally. Hey, if you do that, maybe I'll throw in a box
of Pocky.
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