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Posted on 04-Jun-2003 21:54 GMT by takemehomegrandma41 comments
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The Phoenix Developer Consortium is proud to welcome a new member: Nolan Bushnell. Nolan founded Atari and brought the first video games to the consumer market. Phoenix and Genesi are proud to work together with Nolan.

http://www.morphos-news.de

Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 1 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jun-2003 19:55 GMT
... this has been a very interesting day indeed! :-D

Congratulations, Phoenix!
:-)
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 2 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jun-2003 19:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
Now, the question everybody ask: "What will this cooperation bring in the future?"
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 3 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by TheArrogantSarny on 04-Jun-2003 20:11 GMT
I won't believe it till I see his business card ;-)
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 4 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 04-Jun-2003 20:40 GMT
Thanks takemehomegrandma! I'm just pleased that Bill and Raquel have grokked what I've been trying to get rolling, and that Nolan is a good guy who doesn't mind that the furnishings are still rather spartan compared to the blueprint.

Expect "what the future brings" type of stuff as we can get to it. As I said earlier: it isn't just about branding. It's about more strong hands, finance, placement, opportunities, IP.

It's business : }
 
 
@TheArrogantSarny,

Good one. What ultimately matters is resulting products and placement. We'll see...
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 5 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 04-Jun-2003 20:44 GMT
so cool, i must get a work so i can join the new genesi community =P
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 6 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jun-2003 20:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (greenboy):
> Nolan is a good guy who doesn't mind that the furnishings are still rather
> spartan compared to the blueprint.

> It's about more strong hands, finance, placement, opportunities, IP.

This whole thing sounds very promising in my ears. Keep it up and keep us posted!
:-)
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 7 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 04-Jun-2003 20:48 GMT
best would of course be to start your own company and code for what you belive in, but i guess it's hard to live on it? especially then i'm not that elite. How many some-kind-of-pegasos can we expect before the new year? will genesi produce enough hardware units? i mean, the pegasos1 market was probably much larger than those 600 units if they was available. for the current amigaone solution i don't see a market at all but i guess they'll sell 1000-2000 units or so anyway.
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 8 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 04-Jun-2003 20:52 GMT
btw, i would like to see some more information on the way morphos will go, i don't really care about amiga emulation as i've said before, any chance they'll stop careing so much about it for a while and develop the os instead?
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 9 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 04-Jun-2003 21:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Hagge):
Hagge, Phoenix is not an elite. We welcome anyone who wants to find their way into some form of development, investgate their interests, hook up with helpmates and mentors. Realize that as you are doing that so are most of us.

Also realize that once you know what strikes a chord with you that it still takes some championing of your own personal vision to get other "bandmates" to play that tune. But help is there if you are persistent, and there is definitely a good risk factor while you are building skills, contacts, plans.
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 10 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 04-Jun-2003 21:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (greenboy):
WE need to play the 10 questions game with Nolan....wooo weee

OK, first...ok do not mention merryl lynch...ok, whew close one.

Alright, I understood, Atari, Pizza Time Theatre, even Androbot, but what
was the whole deal with the binoculars....

<--is pretending to have confused Nolan Bushnell with Dave Bushnell

ok...well.....that is truly great for Phoenix group....LOVE IT, Hope the
man will speak sometime....
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 11 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Iggy Drougge on 05-Jun-2003 01:31 GMT
Great, but when will we see Jack Tramiel and his sons on board?
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 12 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 05-Jun-2003 06:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (MarkTime):
MarkTime, as most entrepreneurs, Nolan has had his ups and downs, but you cannot deny his past and the multi-billion dollar industry he spawned through Pong and Atari. He has always been on the contemporary intellectual/technical edge. He is now too...;-)

uwink is his new company. uwink develops, promotes, distributes and maintains video games at "point-of-fun" sites in many places -- airports, restaurants, shopping malls, etc. It is a complete package and they update their arcade machines running Linux via the internet. The Pegasos is perfect for uwink's needs. We might even see MorphOS start to run some of the machines later in the year.

uwink has developed over a 100 "short form" titles that are perfect for a STB. Wouldn't it be cool if the man who started Atari came back to christen a new Atari STB? ;-)

Congratulations greenboy! Keep marching ahead...MarkTime no more!

Avance et triomphe!

Raquel and Bill
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 13 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 05-Jun-2003 06:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (bbrv):
Yeah - and if you hadnt managed to p!ss off the die-hard AMIGA fans by now you must *really* be doing something wrong... :)
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 14 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 05-Jun-2003 06:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben):
But, "Amiga" is still in this whole thing Ben!

Please think about this...the Pegasos, MorphOS and the SuperBundle are a package. This *package* springs from the AMIGA Community. Nearly, everything we have done so far is based on this foundation. This does not change. This is the CORE TECHNOLOGY.

All the other products are derivatives (and may or may not include all the components)...an ATARI STB, an Amiga II, the eclipsis, the Psylent, etc. There could be different operating systems, or only certain application software, etc. It is actually more about spreading the *risk* rather that taking one, as some have suggested.

What we are trying to do is open up the market by creating multiple opportunities. When you have all the pieces (hardware, OS, applications) you can do that, carving off what is needed to do what needs to be done.

Not trying to get anyone upset, just trying to go things going again around here...;-)

Have a great day! No time for PegPong today!

:-D

Raquel and Bill
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 15 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 05-Jun-2003 07:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (bbrv):
So how about paying for some advertising rather than wasting money on trying to register trademarks?

If you want to *be* Amiga so much then carry on.

Your products should be able to "speak" and sell themselves if they are any good - so far all I have heard is legal wranglings/ramblings, 600 motherboards, a gaggle of developers with a few old applications recompiled, a half-baked OS, STBs, Atari, snipes at other companies and now trademark registrations.

Its hardly appealing. Neither camp is looking impressive these days, so to appear better sometimes you dont have to do much do you?
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 16 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 05-Jun-2003 08:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (bbrv):
Bill, about this...

"All the other products are derivatives (and may or may not include all the components)...an ATARI STB, an Amiga II, the eclipsis, the Psylent, etc. There could be different operating systems, or only certain application software, etc. It is actually more about spreading the *risk* rather that taking one, as some have suggested. "

Shouldn't that be PegII? Tought you didn't want the name? It's clever tho, drop in the amiga name, let others jump on it, and then claim it was a mistake...

To everyone, don't reply to this post, as i will not participate in discussing this here any further, i made my point clear and i'm not going to argue about it

Amon_Re
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 17 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 05-Jun-2003 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Amon_Re):
I find the idea of Genesi, producing both Atari Boxes and Amiga Boxes quite appealing... Though it would be nice to have the AmigaONE in the market as well just to keep things exciting.

As for the Peg only having a Half-Baked OS, give us, Time!!! We will get AROS on it soon :)

Hey, Bill, when you market your "AmigaII" lets have AROS on it by Default, and your Atari can run MOS, and we will work together to make sure they are as compatible as possible... Gosh this will be fun :-D
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 18 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jun-2003 09:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Matt Parsons):
Careful when you move your head back, you might get suction noises ;-)
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 19 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 05-Jun-2003 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
woooooosh.....

That went right over my head :-(
I can't be doing with all your witty highbrow put downs :-)
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 20 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jun-2003 11:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Amon_Re):
" To everyone, don't reply to this post, as i will not participate in discussing this here any further,"

In other words, "La la la, I'm not listening", right?

Arrogant pillock.
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 21 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 05-Jun-2003 12:00 GMT
oh geez, everyone, in case it wasn't clear, what I meant to say was:
Welcome Nolan!
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 22 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by --- on 05-Jun-2003 12:28 GMT
Great. Lets gather all still alive talented people from better times. :)
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 23 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jun-2003 12:47 GMT
This is very cool! :)
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 24 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 05-Jun-2003 13:01 GMT
more legends of the past to awe and distract from any lgends of the future.I look at the Amiga Auction List and the description of the now "dead" trademark and wonder why Nolan didn't team up with Amiga with uwink.....actually not really but considering the similar idea Amiga obviously had about a software rental business.As a matter of awe reduction I recommend everyone, especially those on the AROS development team to search the web and read up on Nolan history. He starts things,gets board with them and sells them off rather than hold on the the reins and rideinto evolution of products and services...That's fine.... if it is what you intend to yourself do...Or you can become a legend in your own right... rather than a xerox copy.shrug...
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 25 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 05-Jun-2003 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Ben):
Trademark ?!?!?
LOL, AMigaInc neighter pay for Amiga trademak from 1 January 2003 as you can read on amiga.org LOL
Everyone can create NOW a machine called Amiga (books, tshirt, coffe, WC etc)
And this sure thx to the "wonderfull" AMigaInc
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 26 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 05-Jun-2003 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Eva):
Yes, sure Eva, thats the way it is alright.

( rolls eyes )
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 27 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 05-Jun-2003 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Eva):
And another one crawls from under it's rock....

Amon_Re
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 28 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 05-Jun-2003 15:40 GMT
Interesting explanation of how 'derivatives' constitute core technologies.

See also: branding.

You can never have too many hardware solutions but 3 operating systems?

Can't wait for Irving Gould and Mehdi Ali to appear.
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 29 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jun-2003 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (anonymous):
**Can't wait for Irving Gould and Mehdi Ali to appear.**

I would hope that Those pair of CUNTS would get the kicking they rightly deserve
!!

So ..You pair of CUNTLUGS .. If your lurking (?? you never know) You pair of syphallis lipped, angogenital wart faced, fudge packing father fuckers (Yeah , Pumping your dads no less) AINT welcome here.
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 30 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by FamousDevos on 05-Jun-2003 17:07 GMT
Big deal. John Harris, creator of Frogger codes for AmigaDE. Nolan who?
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 31 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 05-Jun-2003 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (FamousDevos):
well let me think, one is a silicon valley legend, the other wrote a game with a frog.
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 32 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Oric1 on 05-Jun-2003 20:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (bbrv):
Hi all,
Apart from running Morphos, which is far from being finished compared to XP or OSX or even Linux, there's no point of having a Pegasos.

If you've a Pegasos that mean that you're interested in Morphos, if you want more OS's on it, it means that Morphos do not fill all your needs.

All OSes that are being ported to the Pegasos are already available on any cheap PC box. Everything that is possible on Morphos is possible on Linux. Why Linux, because you have the source code (could have been xBSD) and do what you want to fit your needs (ie the business you're after...). Same thing for Morphos but only for Genesi/Bplan/Morphos Team.

So if you want to use any other OS than Morphos then buy a cheap PC, a PC is not something owned by Microsoft or even Intel, you can buy a PC based on an AMD processor if you want to. Some of you should wake up, the war is over since a long time and nostalgy is not good for business :)

In the opposite if you want a Pegasos to have fun then go ahead you'll surf on your Pegasos and play on your game console.
I prefer the OS4 way of thinking, they want an AmigaOne for OS4 period even if you can run Linux on it, they're not after a port of all free/opensource OSes, they just want you to run OS4 and provide or will provide nearlly all software needed.

Believe me I'm also a nostalgic, I still wish that a 3rd OS (right now Linux don't count for me as a desktop OS) to come up. I use Windows and MAC OS, every day at work and none of them are as enjoyable as my Amiga was but that's what people use in companies.

It will take a long time before any other OS than Windoze or OSX have a chance to make a viable market if ever. BeOS was near, but they made a big mistake because of the Internet (.com/BEIA)

Even Apple is on bad shape, I work for a very big company doing QA and they're dropping MAC development. Hazy once said that if Apple didn't stopped the MAC clone then their market will be bigger by now.

Does Zeta, OS4 or Morphos will survive in their very little niche only the future will tell us (I don't have a Yoda beside me ;)), but right now none of them are viable... (if available :))

My problem is that I know people that worked for Viscorp and so I tend to do not trust bbrv, I also read bad press about them on a french paper so I'm pretty pessimistic about genesi, but hey people can change, can they ?

Oric1

PS Am I a little bit off topic ? :)
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 33 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 05-Jun-2003 21:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Oric1):
> Oric1 :
>Apart from running Morphos, which is far from being finished compared to XP or OSX or even Linux, there's no point of having a Pegasos.

Hmmm. Guess you haven't though about this, or been reading any posts by people who have : }   Just having alernative OSes makes it possible to do large-scale projects involving hundreds or even thousands of machines, for OEMs and service providers. Often they specify an OS they want to use, or want the solutions provider to use. QNX is a good example - often QNX developers are hired to build to specialized installations to a certain spec and provide apps. Some of those specs benefit from lower power requirements and quietness, and having another hardware platform that can meet these requirements at a good price can get them into more projects, which in turn ships more boards.

Linux is increasingly specified too, for projects which can result in large sales where the benefits of the Pegasos can be leveraged.


>If you've a Pegasos that mean that you're interested in Morphos,

I think I've just illustrated where that is not the case... you are thinking from a very limited experience, a very narrow perspective.


>if you want more OS's on it, it means that Morphos do not fill all your needs.

That is part of the reason many OSes exist. See above. The world is not all Amiga types, nor is it the desktop. Indeed, if it was, Genesi would have little reason to believe that they should have a business plan that ranged beyond a couple years.


>All OSes that are being ported to the Pegasos are already available on any cheap PC box. Everything that is possible on Morphos is possible on Linux. Why Linux, because you have the source code (could have been xBSD) and do what you want to fit your needs (ie the business you're after...). Same thing for Morphos but only for Genesi/Bplan/Morphos Team.

See above. Many types of products can be built better without x86. For the application PPC is well-suited. Again, this isn't about the desktop. For embedded, industrial, and medical, for instance, small-form PPC has lots of opportunities, regardless of OS specified or desired. Again, though, it helps to have multiple OSes at your disposal - not to mention that Open Source OSes are often chosen these days.


>So if you want to use any other OS than Morphos then buy a cheap PC, a PC is not something owned by Microsoft or even Intel, you can buy a PC based on an AMD processor if you want to. Some of you should wake up, the war is over since a long time and nostalgy is not good for business :)

See above. you are wrong. Lots of precedents to investigate should you actually learn about the worlds embedded communities serve, and will be serving.


>It will take a long time before any other OS than Windoze or OSX have a chance to make a viable market if ever. BeOS was near, but they made a big mistake because of the Internet (.com/BEIA)

Be made mistakes but it wasn't because of the internet. In the last lap it was because they abandoned serving their community and key developers their OS was suited for, thinking they could be big shots in the embedded world. They didn't seem to notice that they were putting all their eggs into one basket, that they had hurt those developers and users, and that the companies that KNEW embedded for decades were even having trouble coming to terms with the way the market seemed to be morphing and growing.


>Does Zeta, OS4 or Morphos will survive in their very little niche only the future will tell us (I don't have a Yoda beside me ;)), but right now none of them are viable... (if available :))

For Genesi it seems to be perfectly acceptable to continue developing MorphOS for the long term. And they can do it by entering other markets with many alternate OSes using the Pegasos products sales to bankroll its steady improvement and investigate ways to move it into broader markets.


>My problem is that I know people that worked for Viscorp and so I tend to do not trust bbrv, I also read bad press about them on a french paper so I'm pretty pessimistic about genesi, but hey people can change, can they ?

Maybe it is your perspective that could change. I know a fair amount of what happened with Viscorp and it wasn't because bbrv is not to be trusted. And there is a fair amount you can read about this that has been linked here on ANN and elsewhere should you really care to understand at a deeper level.

I'll tell you this: in months Genesi has fulfilled more pledges within Phoenix than Amiga Inc did in years, and they have hired and written contracts with many developers and supplied them with cheap or even free machines and supported their initiatives.

In my book, they are showing good faith, and putting their money where their mouth is, and treating others with respect.
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 34 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by -.- on 06-Jun-2003 01:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (greenboy):
Is funny how you don't let Genesi stand on its own merits (has it any?) Instead you use others hardships to prop up Genesi. Is very interesting this. What will you do when Amiga Inco, Hyperion and Eyetech all have their houses in order and all products are shipping? Then you have nothing to propr up Genesi, and then Genesi becomes another forgotten wannabe.
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 35 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 06-Jun-2003 02:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (-.-):
And it's funny how you ignore the 95% of greenboy's post that talk about Genesi's positive points and then pick out the one negative mention of Amiga to conclude that Genesi can only get by through slamming others.

Really, we'll be happier when all these companies have their full range on display for everyone to see and use. I don't think anyone associated with Genesi is especially threatened by that prospect, at least based on the reactions to the Pegasos motherboard and MorphOS we've seen so far. Let them go head-to-head on product price and performance. If Genesi can't even hold its own against an AmigaOne, how will it possibly survive in the general market? Personally, I hope the AOS on Tour coming up will be a great success, because these guys have worked hard and deserve that. But give Genesi its due also, because there are a lot of good people behind that effort as well.

-- gary_c
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 36 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jun-2003 05:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (greenboy):
Sorry greenboy, but if what you're saying is that Oric1 is closeminded because he thinks that Peg = MOS, I disagree. Other than Linux and MOS, what OSs could I run *right now* on a Peg? Saying "oh, you'll be able to run *** in just a few days" doesn't count - after all, OS4 is going to be released "RSN" and AInc will mail out the t-shirts in "two more weeks". Ppl say that PC owners have learnt to accept crap software, well amigans have learn to accept empty promises. I trust nobody's promises - what's happening *right now*?
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 37 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Jun-2003 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anonymous):
Now that you mention them, where did they run off to?

hiding for the lynchmob?

Cheers
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 38 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Jun-2003 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (FamousDevos):
FROGGER! Frog Frog Frog Frog! ;)

I would so love to see the coder from Gyruss on the team aswell... Still one of my all time fave games

Cheers
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 39 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Jun-2003 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (MarkTime):
Frogger also was a milestone in computergames, and fun to boot!

Cheers
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 40 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jun-2003 14:35 GMT
So what, all this endless Amiga Vs. Pegasos Vs. OS4 Vs MOS Vs Godzilla nonsense all over those months whas shuddenly and magically turned in...

"BLOP!"

An epic Amiga Vs. Atari war!!!

oh dear! oh dear! I shouldn't drove my Delorean so fast today, I travelled back to 1989! (at least)

;D
Nolan Bushnell now member of Phoenix : Comment 41 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jun-2003 14:59 GMT
muhahaha, congratulations! I want a seat in this car, though probably what we need is that you get out and get in at least two guys that I´m not going to name and send them to give a return to the age of stone (the Delorian had only two seats free, unfortunately).

By the way, my best whishes for Nolan Bushnell.

;D
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