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[News] Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts.ANN.lu
Posted on 06-Jun-2003 22:15 GMT by Jürgen Schober53 comments
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The AmigaOS 4.0 on Tour is about to start. We have the machines ready to go [more]... Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts.

The AmigaOS 4.0 on Tour is about to start. We have the machines ready to go and will reach Ljubljana on Sat. morning for for the first event.

We will have AmigaOS 4.0 running the new default look with a big surprise for you. Also ExecSG will run it's first native OS4 PowerPC Demo.

see you there

more info: http://www.oase.at/amigaos4ontour.html

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Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour beginnt.

Die "Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour" startet. Wir haben die Amigas bereits verladen und werden Samstag morgen in Ljubljana zum Start des ersten Events eintreffen.

Wir werden AmigaOS 4.0 mit dem neuen Voreingestellten Aussehen zeigen und Euch eine Überraschung bieten. Außerdem werden wir ExecSG und das erste native OS4 PowerPC Demo zeigen.

Wir freuen uns auf Euren Besuch

mehr unter: http://www.oase.at/amigaos4ontour.html

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cheers
Jürgen Schober
http://pointdesign.com
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 1 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 06-Jun-2003 20:17 GMT
Great to see. Good luck! Don't forget to keep us all up to date.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 2 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Jun-2003 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (KenH):
Good luck. Drive carefully.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 3 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 06-Jun-2003 20:53 GMT
Any news on the tour reaching the UK yet?
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 4 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 06-Jun-2003 20:56 GMT
Hope the tour and meeting all the people is pleasurable - and that everywhere you go the logistics of setting up and taking down do not become harrowing. I know how that can make a difference. Best of luck! : }
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 5 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Jun-2003 20:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ben):
that's quite a long drive mate ;)

J/K ;)

Cheers
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 6 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 06-Jun-2003 20:56 GMT
This does sound utterly awesome - are the years of waiting finally at an end?! :)

When the images go up you will have a very busy website.

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Sam
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 7 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Jun-2003 20:57 GMT
Hope you have a great time & don't break those Amiga's! ;)

Cheers
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 8 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Niclas A on 06-Jun-2003 21:06 GMT
If i didn't live 100 mils from Gothenburg i would deffinetly go and see this..
Hope the LOOOOOONG wait is going to pay off... Been dreaming about a PPC AmigaOS since the middle of the 90´s.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 9 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 06-Jun-2003 21:40 GMT
Anyone reporting? Please post.. I am sure it will not need emphasis to say PEOPLE ARE CURIOUS! :-)
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 10 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Merz on 06-Jun-2003 21:54 GMT
Hope to see you next weekend in Augsburg!

All the Best,
CU Mason
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 11 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jun-2003 22:03 GMT
Excuse me, but couldn't we wait till we've actually seen something? Or do we really need to start hyping it even before?
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 12 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jun-2003 23:09 GMT
Wow, just keep us up to date with a daily newsitem on ANN...
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 13 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 06-Jun-2003 23:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
"Also ExecSG will run it's first native OS4 PowerPC Demo."

I hope it's better tested than that!!! :-D
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 14 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 07-Jun-2003 01:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Matt Parsons):
Road trips are always an adventure and this hot summer no less.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 15 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Seer on 07-Jun-2003 05:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
> Excuse me, but couldn't we wait till we've actually seen
> something? Or do we really need to start hyping it even before?

Who's hyping it ? Only post so far are in the "can't wait (for some pics)" mood.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 16 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jun-2003 07:15 GMT
Finally, the wait is over (almost).

I can't wait for the new screenshots.
(no pun intended) Please, take loads
of screenshots for us to drool over :)
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 17 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jun-2003 07:17 GMT
I wonder what that big surprise will be? :)

I can think of many things, but we'll just
have to wait and see.

Maybe Mr Schober will offer boing shaped
birthday cakes for everybody?
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 18 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Jun-2003 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Sam Smith):
"This does sound utterly awesome - are the years of waiting finally at an end?! :)"

Not quite yet, but the end is coming into sight.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 19 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 07-Jun-2003 08:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Matt Parsons):
>"Also ExecSG will run it's first native OS4 PowerPC Demo."
>I hope it's better tested than that!!! :-D


Better tested than what? I don't see anywhere that the amount of testing is mentioned?!
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 20 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 07-Jun-2003 09:21 GMT
I should point out that the default look of OS 4 is only around 80% done but Massimo hopes to complete it in the course of the Tour.

The idea was to have a default look which is both instantly recognisable as "Amiga" and sufficiently modern.

Obviously the functionality now incorporated in Intuition could easily be put to use for more fanciful designs.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 21 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jun-2003 09:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Will the new icon set be shown as well?
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 22 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 07-Jun-2003 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>I should point out that the default look of OS 4 is only around 80% done but Massimo hopes to complete it in the course of the Tour.

I thought you didn't want to reveal who was doing the default theme to avoid him getting plagued with e-mail? I think most people know who "Massimo" is ;)
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 23 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Young on 07-Jun-2003 10:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
There's a new icon set?

In reply to the earlier comment: UK date. I tried to drum up some enthusiasm for organising one, but nothing seems to be happening. I would try to organise something myself but I'm a bit far away from any useful venues, and - as I wrote on amiga.org - couldn't organise different coloured shapes into the same coloured buckets, even if all the shapes are the same colour and there is only one bucket.

I offer to help but nobody seems interested. *shrug*

Chris
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 24 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 07-Jun-2003 10:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Peter Gordon):
Massimo is doing the coding, the design is by somebody else.

I'll ask him if he wants to come forward or not.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 25 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 07-Jun-2003 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@Ben Hermans

You mentioned on amiga.org once that you would like to demo OS 4.0 only when it was as stable as OS 3.9... has it reached that level of stability yet? Of course its only a matter of time before 99.9% of bugs are eliminated, but it would be interesting to hear how development is going currently.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 26 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Jun-2003 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Peter Gordon):
Maybe they locked him up behind his computer without internetconnection? ;)

Well, i knew this quite awhile, tought it was old news... *grin*

Cheers
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 27 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Jun-2003 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Chris Young):
Chris, we worked together before (unless i'm confusing you with another Chris?), and i'm willing to come over to the UK to assist you, time permitting, the next coming months will also be very busy for me.

Drop me a mail: ochal at kefren dot be

Cheers
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 28 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jun-2003 10:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Chris Young):
Well, I'm not sure if there is. But I've read a couple
of times that Matt Chaput is supposed to do a spruced-up
version of the OS 3.5 icon set. Well, maybe there
isn't. I don't know...
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 29 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Young on 07-Jun-2003 10:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Amon_Re):
Amon_re: I think you are confusing me with somebody else!
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 30 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jun-2003 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
I'm thinking it would be something
like this:

GlowIcons 1, 16 colors
GlowIcons 2, 32 colors (the OS3.5/3.9 iconset)
GlowIcons 3, 64 colors (OS 4.0?)
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 31 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 07-Jun-2003 11:47 GMT
Looking forward to seeing the new default look. Hope it's better than previous screensots were...
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 32 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 07-Jun-2003 12:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Emeric SH):
well I agree the idea would make it to look as modern as possible but keep the
Amiga look.

However, the problem would be that the Amiga look is a rather dated look, so if they keep it, it will look somewhat dated as well.

He said people may criticize for being too conservative....probably, this isn't an issue that can be won. My personal preference is they update it as much as possible.

---------------------------------
OK, the surprise will be told soon...and I don't know what it is, just
wish we had more time to make up wild guesses!

I haven't had enough time to think about it....how about 68k version!
lol...
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 33 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 07-Jun-2003 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
Don't you think it will be true color?
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 34 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 07-Jun-2003 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@ Ben Hermans

I have a question about OS4.2, will there be one? From another thread here at ann.lu:

Quote:
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OS4.0 on tour : Comment 25 of 85 Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion (Trusted user) on 01-Jun-2003 18:20:39
In Reply to Comment 21:
Hyerion signed the agreement with Amiga in November of 2001.

That's not even 2 years.

Meanwhile all the functionality originally planned for 4.2 has been folded into 4.0.

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BTW, what happened to 4.1? ;-)

BTW2, is Hyperion supposed to/allowed to develop the OS further than 4.0? Perhaps you contineu developing it as long as it's 4.x? Then I guess you could call the next release 4.00000001, the release after that 4.00000002, and so on!
:-D
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 35 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jun-2003 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (takemehomegrandma):
Well, AFAIK Workbench will still only support 8-bit color icons,
so that's why I ruled those out.

Come to think of it, there is actually a icon set
like Glow Icons that uses at least 8-bits.

They look very nice, have a look at this link:
http://www.graphicsdesign.org/copland/

Check the "Amigan" headline.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 36 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 07-Jun-2003 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
BTW, I'm really looking forward to see OS4. I hope there won't only be some screenshots, but also a video showing it in action running applications, like the video from Hungarian TV showing off MorphOS. Video is a lot better than still pictures to give an impression about the OS ...
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 37 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Jun-2003 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (MarkTime):
"My personal preference is they update it as much as possible."

That doesn't mean much, though. There is more to good design than just imitating this month's fashions.

Important things in a good design are proportions, radii of curves, the way different parts of a shape (such as a window) logically relate to each other, detailing such as the precise shapes of tabs, - all fairly dry stuff.

One of the worst design points in Reaction is the broken line that surrounds a section of a requester window and _almost_ goes through the middle of the text naming the section. This is visually very clumsy. It would look much better if aligned with the baseline of the text, or completely enclosing it so that the name is inside the section area.

The other important thing is "product semantics" - the user should know what a control means from its appearance. A good one is the Windows button which shrinks the window down to the Task Bar. A bad example is the three little jellies on the OS X windows - they might do absolutely anything. Another is several identical butterflies in the toolbar of AmiNetRadio.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 38 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey_C on 07-Jun-2003 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Chris Young):
In response to your query about a UK date, there is work going on behind the scene. If all goes as well as planned, Something will be announced within the next month or so.

Mikey_C
WOASE :)
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 39 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Jun-2003 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (takemehomegrandma):
"Don't you think it will be true color?"

The rule should be that everything must work in any depth from 1-bit to 24-bit.

That has always been the rule for the Amiga GUI. You still need 1-bit as the OS may be used in embedded applications with a 1-bit LCD screen (eg typical audio gear).
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 40 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 07-Jun-2003 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (takemehomegrandma):
Yes, there will be an OS 4.1 and 4.2 if I have something to say about it.

In fact, we have already drawn up a list of stuff we want for 4.1.

Obviously since most of the features originally planned for 4.2 were folded into 4.0, 4.2 will have more functionality yet again.

We have to be realistic here, barring some exceptions no indepth work on the OS was done since OS 3.0/3.1.

This leaves ample room for improvement.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 41 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Young on 07-Jun-2003 13:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Mikey_C):
Fab. If you need any additional help for any reason (I dunno, crowd control or something :-)), give me a shout (email).

Chris
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 42 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jun-2003 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@Ben H/Hyperion Ent.:

I'm getting way ahead of times now, but I'm just
curious:

For 4.1, will there be a revised printing system?
Wouldn't it be possible to just license the Turboprint
code and do a nice Reaction GUI for the prefs, implement
some kind of a standard Print requester (à la Windows)
and hey presto - wide support for a pretty wide range of
modern parallel and USB printers? That Turboprint is
backwards compatible to old Amiga apps doesn't hurt,
either.

Then again, you might opt for a totally different
solution, but this is just a thought.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 43 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Jun-2003 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Chris Young):
Yea... It was Chris Livermore that i meant.... speaking of which... Where the hell is he? :)

Cheers
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 44 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Jun-2003 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (takemehomegrandma):
I got my camera laying ready TMHG, but we all know how good i am with that stuff... ;)

Cheers
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 45 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 07-Jun-2003 16:41 GMT
Good luck on your OS4 tour! Is it the same guys doing all the driving? Drive safely, OS4 dudes.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 46 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by cowboy neal's buddy on 07-Jun-2003 20:52 GMT
would be nice to see it on amiga one. who cares about few classic machines with cppc? a running os is much more then stupid icons and some menus
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 47 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by porneL on 07-Jun-2003 20:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Don Cox):
> "This does sound utterly awesome - are the years of waiting finally at an end?! :)"
> Not quite yet, but the end is coming into sight.

I think its just the beggining. It's still only on classic Amigas. Even if they get rid of all hardware dependencies it will be first release of new os (its rewritten, so despite the name its like 1.0). Then evolution of that os STARTS.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 48 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by cowboy neal's buddy on 07-Jun-2003 20:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
let it work on a g3 and stop talking abuot "feelings" event if they are "exciting" ;) months ago you promised amigaos running on amigaone. WHERE IS IT?
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 49 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 08-Jun-2003 07:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (MarkTime):
"However, the problem would be that the Amiga look is a rather dated look, so if they keep it, it will look somewhat dated as well.

He said people may criticize for being too conservative....probably, this isn't an issue that can be won. My personal preference is they update it as much as possible."

I would prefer a conservative look as the default. Something that has the image of a professional, functional tool, not a games machine or a toy.

A GUI where every element has a clear function, there are few if any hidden controls, and it is as easy as possible to position the mouse on a control (Fitt's Law). That will help the machine to be fast and responsive in use.
Amiga OS 4.0 on Tour starts. : Comment 50 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 08-Jun-2003 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (MarkTime):
Don't agree with you an the new look, they should replace the icons with some thing new, and support the old once at the same time.

Don't know what type of OS you are using, most new OS's are gray and boring, Amiga OS has some colors to it so I can't Se how it can be old?

default look for KDE3.x is aborning
default look for GNOME is bit better then KDE3.0
default look for BeOS is not modern (don't use modern cpu eating effects)
default look for WinXP is over done.
default look for MacOS is gray and boring,

default look for AmigaOS4.0 look like AmigaOS,
I like the new look, it new at the same time gives me the impression of knowing what it is. Not like Ambient that don't know how works or if every thing works as i expect them to work, they are porting 680x0 programs to PPC why not improve the looks / usage in the process?
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